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As DARPA Preps for a Pandemic, It Has a New Enemy in Trump

What do you do when the president is an anti-vaxxer?


Matt Hepburn thinks about global pandemics a lot. As the program manager behind DARPA’s new Pandemic Prevention Platform, when he looks at the way the world responded to Zika, the H1N1 flu, and the recent Ebola outbreak, he sees room for improvement.

“I’ve been working on infectious diseases of national security significance,” Hepburn tells Inverse. “My whole career has been based on this deep sense of apprehension that we have these threats that are out there, coupled with [the fact that] we aren’t prepared as a global community.”

Over the course of the next three to four years, DARPA — the military’s advanced research agency — wants to develop a process that would allow it to go from identifying the cause of a major outbreak to coming up with countermeasures within 60 days. The P3 program aims to develop “an entire system capable of halting the spread of any viral disease outbreak before it can escalate to pandemic status,” the agency declared in February.

Right now, it can sometimes take a year or more for drug companies to manufacture the medicine to combat an outbreak. Hepburn says that’s not good enough. “By the time we’re even getting close to having a product, the outbreak is over. What good is that?” he says. “We still have this great gap in being able to respond expeditiously.”

Hepburn and his team are soliciting ideas for how to accomplish this goal, but much of it will likely revolve around RNA- and DNA-based technologies. The goal is that a person, once given the medicine, will be protected within one to three days.

The idea is the create a “firebreak,” the same as trying to contain a wildfire. If health care providers can protect a large population quickly, that limits the rate of infection before it gets out of control.

“Protected,” in this case, is a broad term to encompass several stages of treatment. The developed medicine could be preventative, it could be used to mitigate the impact of the disease after exposure, but before symptoms emerge; it could be a way to stop the disease from spreading, or it could be a full-on cure. At this early stage, Hepburn wants to cast a wide net and catch as many options as possible.

What Hepburn is asking for is difficult, and he knows it. “People think we’re crazy. People say it’s impossible, it’s really hard, we can’t do this for all sorts of reasons,” says Hepburn. “But that’s how we know this is a space DARPA should be in, because we’re supposed to push the community, and put out a challenge.” The program is designed to work equally well to combat a naturally occurring disease of a manufactured biological weapon.

Hepburn previously worked in the White House as the Director of Medical Preparedness at the National Security Council, where he worked across agencies to ensure the government was on the same page when it came to medical national security threats. He stresses the same is true of his position at DARPA. His work relies heavily on cooperation with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the National Institutes of Health, and the private sector.

When it comes to the current make-up of the government, though, there is no shortage of critics who say the Trump administration itself could be a public health catastrophe.

For one, Trump himself regularly spread discredited, bogus information that purported to link vaccines with autism, and surrounds himself with people who believe the same.

For another, his administration is loaded with climate science skeptics, a clear sign that Trump and his cabinet are willing to put ideology and politics before empirical facts. The dangers that approach can create, in the face of a pandemic, are numerous. In 2014, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie quarantined a nurse from Doctors Without Borders who had worked on the Ebola outbreak, against the best practices of that organization, and the entire medical community.

When asked about politicians who put politics before science — like Christie did — Hepburn declines to answer.

“What I will say, is that decision making during a crisis is incredibly challenging,” he says. “What we want to do is give people managing the response a tool in the tool belt.”

Outside of government, scientists are sounding the alarm that Trump could herald a new era of public health crises.

Benjamin Z. Houlton is the director of the John Muir Institute of the Environment at UC Davis, and worries about how the new administration could make the world more susceptible to large-scale pandemics, and that these issues need to be looked at holistically.

“We are already seeing climate change impacts play out in rising sea levels, crop damages, flooding, fire, and drought. This hurts human health, natural ecosystem habitats, and damages our economy,” Houlton tells Inverse. “Without natural habitats, we lose one of the nation’s first lines of defense against the spread of disease. Healthy and diverse ecosystems protect us from the spread of all sorts of viruses and pathogens.”

Trump’s approach to vaccines alone poses a massive risk to people in the United States and internationally. “It took decades of hard work by doctors, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and state and local health departments to get vaccination rates to where they are today: over 90 percent for vaccines against polio, hepatitis B, chickenpox, measles, mumps, and rubella,” Saad Omer, chair in global health at Emory University, writes in the Washington Post. “Even a modest decrease in those rates could be enough to cause future outbreaks. And because political polarization can push people to change their belief in basic facts, making vaccines a political cause for one side or another may lead to exactly that.”

Houlton, the UC Davis professor, adds that Trump is waging an attack on the very idea of the commons. “The greatest threat I see is on public goods — things we all benefit from. Whether it’s access to international scholars, clean water, air and healthy soil, our society’s life support systems are at risk,” he says. “The things that make the U.S. so special are being completely disregarded.”

These issues are far beyond the scope of DARPA’s new P3 program. Even those who are skeptical of the high-tech military office will likely celebrate any and all efforts to reduce or eliminate the threat of a global pandemic. The exact budget isn’t finalized, but a DARPA spokesperson said that similar multi-year initiatives range from $50 million to $100 million. That’s money well spent, if it works, and can keep the public calm in the face of another Ebola-style outbreak.

Just as important, though, are the more traditional measures the government takes to maintain good public health. For now, those look to be at serious risk.

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we have a policy over here ,

no Jab no school.

This is just another attack on science ,

we have been that long with bad desease's  people have even forgotten the names of them

people have been dumbed down ........

some even still believe in a God.......thats a BIG BIG problem
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Original Poster here, thanks everyone!!  Keep 'em coming! 

Trump's budget is beyond bad - I'm an old-school Reagan guy who supported our military buildup, but that was a different time & world.   Gutting our national research capabilities (NIH, CDC, EPA etc.) to buy new toys for the Pentagon doesn't make sense.  
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The White House on Wednesday released its budget blueprint for the fiscal year 2018, which significantly increases defense budget by $54 billion, or 10 percent, from the previous year, while proposing to cut the funding for non-military departments.

The proposed $54 billion increase will make US military budget higher than Russia's and Japan's military spending combined, accounting for one-third of China's defense budget. Once approved by the Congress, the US defense spending will reach $603 billion, while non-military federal budget will be only $462 billion.

The US is certainly one of the militarist countries in the world. As the only superpower, what the US emphasizes and values will have a global impact, as it leads the world's attention and resources and in this way writes the rules. Since US military budget already equals the combined amount of the biggest eight countries after it, why is it so radically expanding its military spending? Donald Trump wrote to the Congress that "without safety, there can be no prosperity."

In order to be "safer," the White House proposes to cut budget for environmental protection by 31.4 percent, agriculture and labor departments each by 20.7 percent, health agencies by 16.2 percent and transportation by 12.7 percent.
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Donald Trump Literally Nominated The Goldman Sachs Bailout Lawyer To Run The SEC


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-jay-clayton-sec_us_58d17924e4b0ec9d29e00c7d?


Trump's America: Two coal plants announce closures in Ohio, layoffs at Carrier factories in Indiana

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/21/1645838/-Trump-s-America-Two-coal-plants-announce-closures-in-Ohio-layoffs-at-Carrier-factories-in-Indiana


certainly at this point even the staunchest Trump supporter must realize that

YOU WERE CONNED





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Most CORRUPT POTUS EVER ?

It's Not a Smoking Gun, But It's Close!

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/21/1645866/-It-s-Not-a-Smoking-Gun-But-It-s-Close
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It looks as though the proposed $1.3 billion reduction in the Coast Guard's budget is being shelved after an outcry from lawmakers, but I find it interesting that the one branch of the military that probably wouldn't serve to bolster Trump's ego was the only one facing cuts.


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"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.
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WOW !!!

if true this is beyond serious

if it can be proven ,then indeed, Trump's Presidency is ILLEGITIMATE

and YES
I would use the word TREASON


http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/22/1646252/-Collusion-between-Trump-team-and-Russia-appears-to-be-more-just-a-theory
This is the possibility of collusion between Trump’s campaign and Russian agencies working to subvert the US election. Treason is not too big a word."
One law enforcement official said the information in hand suggests "people connected to the campaign were in contact and it appeared they were giving the thumbs up to release information when it was ready." 
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now it comes out that Paul Manafort,one time Trump campaign manager was taking
10 million a year from a Russian  oligbarch to act as a PR agent for Putin

yeah

nothing to see here...

IMPEACH
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this is the kind of guy Trump associates with


http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/22/1646036/-Manafort-s-Daughter-s-Hacked-Texts-That-money-we-have-is-blood-money

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In a series of texts reviewed by Business Insider that appear to have been sent by Andrea to her sister, Jessica, in March 2015, Andrea said their father had "no moral or legal compass."

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"Don't fool yourself," Andrea wrote to her sister, according to the texts. "That money we have is blood money."

"You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," she continued, according to the reviewed texts. "As a tactic to outrage the world and get focus on Ukraine. Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not. Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered."

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This guy Manafort is a real piece of work, isn't he? 

I don't think it will be long before he is either in FBI custody, or in hiding in Moscow.
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if this proves to be true
Trump MUST be IMPEACHED


RussiaGate blows WIDE OPEN in Abrahamson report: High crimes and misdemeanors by Trump, Sessions

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/23/1646686/-RussiaGate-blows-WIDE-OPEN-in-Abrahamson-report-High-crimes-and-misdemeanors-by-Trump-Sessions
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Funny how we haven't heard from many

Chump supporters on here of late

Wonders why ????
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a letter you have to read
the REALITIES of TrumpCare

Dear Mom—about your 50 year nursing career & Medicaid... Woman's post PLOWS the GOP

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/24/1646735/-Dear-Mom-About-your-50-year-nursing-career-Medicaid-Woman-s-post-will-blow-GOP-minds
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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

Funny how we haven't heard from many

Chump supporters on here of late

Wonders why ????

 I have yet to see a virus that voted either way. It may well be that those seeking a political discussion go to a political forum perhaps? I didn't come to avianflutalk for the political discussions, but find it rather odd that one of, if not the most active threads is a political one. Perhaps politics in and of itself is a virus, after all it does have a very high CFR rate attached either directly or indirectly historically speaking regardless of political affiliation. 
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this is general discussion,that means off topic,which means we disscuss all topics, 

chump is a fool ,thats the way everyone here in Australia i speak to thinks

well done USA you got what everyone eles could see this buffoon is ,a BUFFOON

even his own people shudder ,

you need to SACK him ASAP

before the USA's credibility falls even further,

i have never heard an inteligent word come out of his mouth

"we had a great meeting we are going to do Great things"etc,etc etc 

WHEN WHEN WHEN

the man is  tool......
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EGG ALL OVER HIS STUPID FACE ,

"IT WAS A GREAT GREAT MEETING AND WE GOING TO DO GREAT THING "???????????


Blow for Donald Trump after vote for healthcare overhaul cancelled

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President Donald Trump suffered a stunning political setback in a Congress controlled by his own party when Republican leaders pulled legislation to overhaul the US healthcare system, a major 2016 election campaign promise of the president and his allies.

Republican leaders of the House of Representatives on Friday pulled the legislation due to a shortage of votes despite desperate lobbying by the White House and its allies in Congress.

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Republicans postpone vote on Obamacare repeal

House Speaker Paul Ryan says Republicans failed to get the necessary votes to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act healthcare law known as Obamacare.

They had planned a vote on the measure after Trump cut off negotiations with Republicans who had balked at the plan and issued an ultimatum to vote on Friday, win or lose.

Republican moderates as well as the most conservative lawmakers had objected to it

House Speaker Paul Ryan  pauses during a press conference on Capitol Hill.House Speaker Paul Ryan pauses during a press conference on Capitol Hill. Photo: AP

Trump told the Washington Post: "We just pulled it."

Amid a chaotic scramble for votes, House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan, who has championed the bill, met with Trump at the White House before the bill was pulled from the House floor after hours of debate. Ryan said he recommended that the legislation be withdrawn from the House floor because he did not have the votes to pass it, and that Trump agreed"I will not sugarcoat this. This is a disappointing day for us," Ryan said at a news conference, adding that his fellow Republicans are experiencing what he called 'growing pains' transitioning from an opposition party to a governing party.Friday's events cast doubt on whether Ryan can get major legislation approved by fractious Republican lawmakers.

President Donald Trump faces not having the numbers for his healthcare overhaul.President Donald Trump faces not having the numbers for his healthcare overhaul. Photo: AP

"Doing big things is hard," Ryan added, noting that he got close but failed to muster the 216 votes needed to pass it.

"Obamacare is the law of land," Ryan told reporters. "It will remain the law of the land until it is replaced. We didn't have the votes to replace this law."

US House Speaker Paul Ryan walks to a Republican conference meeting at the US Capitol in Washington, DC.US House Speaker Paul Ryan walks to a Republican conference meeting at the US Capitol in Washington, DC. Photo: Bloomberg

Ryan said he did not know what the next steps would be on healthcare, but called Obamacare so flawed that it would be hard to prop up.

Trump told the Washington Post the healthcare bill would not be coming up again in the near future and that he wanted to see if Democrats who uniformly objected to the Republican plan would come to him to work on healthcare legislation, a Washington Post reporter said on MSNBC.


Paul Ryan leaves the White House after telling Trump he didnt have the numbers.Paul Ryan leaves the White House after telling Trump he didn't have the numbers. Photo: AP

Without the bill's passage in Congress, Democratic former President Barack Obama's signature domestic policy achievement, the 2010 Affordable Care Act - known as Obamacare - would remain in place despite seven years of Republican promises to dismantle it.

Repealing and replacing Obamacare was a top campaign promise by Trump in the 2016 presidential election, as well as by most Republican candidates, "from dog-catcher on up," as White House spokesman Sean Spicer put it during a briefing on Friday.


Democrat Debbie Wasserman Schultz called the called the bill &amp;amp;amp;quot;an immoral piece of legislation&amp;amp;amp;quot;.Democrat Debbie Wasserman Schultz called the called the bill "an immoral piece of legislation". Photo: Bloomberg

The House failure to pass the measure called into question Trump's ability to get other key parts of his agenda, including tax cuts and a boost in infrastructure spending, through a Congress controlled by his own party.

News that the bill had been pulled before a final vote was greeted initially with a small sigh of relief by US equity investors, who earlier in the week had been fretful that an outright defeat would damage Trump's other priorities, such as tax cuts and infrastructure spending.

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"There's nobody that objectively can look at this effort and say the president didn't do every single thing he possibly could with this team to get every vote possible," Spicer told reporters before the legislation was pulled.

Trump already has been stymied by federal courts that blocked his executive actions barring entry into the United States of people from several Muslim-majority nations. Some Republicans worry a defeat on the healthcare legislation could cripple his presidency just two months after the wealthy New York real estate mogul took office.

In a blow to the bill's prospects, House Appropriations Committee Chairman Rodney Frelinghuysen announced his opposition, expressing concern about reductions in coverage under the Medicaid insurance program for the poor and the retraction of "essential" health benefits that insurers must cover.

"We need to get this right for all Americans," Frelinghuysen said.

Forehead tattoo

After the vote, House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said "Today is a great day for our country ... It's a victory for the American people."

Earlier Pelosi, who was instrumental in the passage of Obamacare as House majority leader said, "What's happening today is a lose-lose situation for the Republicans. It's a lose-lose for the American people, that's for sure. But the people who vote for this will have this vote tattooed to their foreheads as they go forward."

Failure of the measure would call into question Trump's ability to get other key parts of his agenda, including tax cuts and a boost in infrastructure spending, through a Congress controlled by his own party.

"If it doesn't pass, this issue is dead," Republican Representative Mario Diaz-Balart, a bill supporter, said of Republican healthcare legislation. "This is the one shot."

Even if the legislation passes in the House, it faces an uncertain future in the Senate, where Republicans have expressed misgivings.

Healthcare was the first major test of how Trump, a real estate magnate who touted his deal-making prowess in the 2016 presidential campaign, would work with Congress. Days of negotiations led to some changes in the bill but failed to produce a consensus deal.

US stocks were mixed on Friday in early afternoon trading, having pared earlier gains, while US treasuries were mostly higher.



Leading Republicans had taken to the House floor to make their case to pass the bill and implored conservatives to seize the opportunity to make good on the party's long promise to get rid of Obamacare.Democratic Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a breast cancer survivor, called the bill "an immoral piece of legislation" that would gut medical coverage and patient protections.A Quinnipiac University poll released on Thursday found 56 per cent of US voters opposed the House bill, with only 17 per cent supporting it. Quinnipiac said its poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.Replacing Obama's signature health care plan was a key campaign pledge for Trump and Republicans, who view it as overly intrusive and expensive.Obamacare boosted the number of Americans with health insurance through mandates on individuals and employers, and income-based subsidies. About 20 million Americans gained insurance coverage through the law.The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said under the Republican legislation 14 million people would lose medical coverage by next year and more than 24 million would be uninsured in 2026.

The House plan would rescind a range of taxes created by Obamacare, end a penalty on people who refuse to obtain health insurance, end Obamacare's income-based subsidies to help people buy insurance while creating less-generous age-based tax credits

It also would end Obamacare's expansion of the Medicaid state-federal insurance program for the poor, cut future federal Medicaid funding and let states impose work requirements on some Medicaid recipients.

House leaders agreed to a series of last-minute changes to try to win over disgruntled conservatives, including ending the Obamacare requirement that insurers cover certain "essential benefits" such as maternity care, mental health services and prescription drug coverage.

The House and Senate had hoped to deliver a new healthcare bill to Trump by April 8, when Congress is scheduled to begin a two-week spring break.

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bet he sits in front of the mirror practicing ,because thats the Narciuss he is




Dour Donnie: President Trump staffers claim he scowls and squints in photos because he thinks it makes him look tough 'like Winston Churchill'

  • Staffers who worked with President Donald Trump on his campaign claim that he modeled his look after Prime Minster Winston Churchill
  • Trump reportedly believes he will appear tougher if he scowls and squints like the former leader of the United Kingdom 
  • He would veto any campaign images that showed signs of weakness claim the Trump staffers
  • Churchill, in addition to being prime minister, was a wartime hero and accomplished painter who won the Nobel Price for Literature 
  • He was also one of the first leaders to denounce the policies and politics of Russia in his famous 'Iron Curtain' speech at the start of the Cold War 

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PUBLISHED: 07:18 +11:00, 23 March 2017 UPDATED: 10:30 +11:00, 23 March 2017

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President Trump told staffers working on his campaign that he wanted to look 'like [Winston] Churchill' in photographs and images, believing that he would appear tougher according to a new report in The New York Times.

That is why Donnie, like Winnie, reportedly prefers to scowl, squint and maintain a general sourpuss on his face whenever he is in front of a camera.

It also explains why President Trump may have returned the bust of the prime minister to the Oval Office, with the proximity to his own desk allowing him to practice the downcast frown and furrowed brow favored by the former leader of the United Kingdom.

There is little else Trump has in common with Churchill however, who was a wartime hero, a lifelong politician, a writer, a painter, a loyal husband and a celebrated orator whose most famous speech was a passionate denouncement of the policies and politics of Russia at the start of the Cold War.

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Blank face: Staffers who worked with President Donald Trump on his campaign claim that he modeled his look after Prime Minster Winston Churchill

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Pivot and pout: Trump reportedly believes he will appear tougher if he scowls and squints like the former leader of the United Kingdom

Growl and bear it: President Trump would veto any campaign images that showed signs of weakness claim staffers
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Growl and bear it: President Trump would veto any campaign images that showed signs of weakness claim staffers

Churchill managed to amass a remarkable resume of impressive accomplishments over the course of his lifetime, achieving an unprecedented number of feats in his 90 years.

By the age of 25, Churchill had fought in four wars, written three books about his experiences on the battlefield and laid the groundwork for his political career with his one, and only, unsuccessful run for Parliament.

It was at that age that Churchill, while acting as a wartime correspondent during the Second Boer War, was captured and placed in a South African POW camp.

He was able to eventually escape, and his heroics at the time would have likely been awarded with a military medal many believed, but this was not possible due to the fact that he was a civilian. 



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you got a LONG LONG way TO GO  yet Chump to fill his shoes.....

THE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT YOU AMERICA.....

get rid of him...

only your best friend tells you the truth........

and Australians will tell you .......coz we are your best friends apart from the UK

our Troops have bled together.......

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Washington: Donald Trump's bid to ram a new healthcare system through Congress collapsed in a heap on Friday after rebel Republicans refused to bend to a presidential ultimatum that they all should back the controversial bill.

"We just pulled it," Trump said of the abandonment for the second time in as many days of a scheduled house vote, after House Speaker Paul Ryan had briefed him on the failure of a frenzied overnight effort to marshal votes.

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Definitely a tool........................... of the Russians.  How Putin must be laughing! If you see pictures of the big man injured, it will not be because he wrestled a bear, but because he pulled a few rib muscles howling with mirth.
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carbon20 said - "get rid of him...

only your best friend tells you the truth........

and Australians will tell you .......coz we are your best friends apart from the UK

our Troops have bled together......."

If it were only that easy! We don't have a vote of no confidence! If we did he'd already be gone. We have to prove "High crimes and/or misdemeanors" or wait four years to vote him out!

Don't give up on US! As you said our families have fought and bled together! No matter what this President says or does the People of the United States look upon you as an ally!

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Don't worry ,presidents come and go ,

Our alligence will always survive...

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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

Don't worry ,presidents come and go ,

Our alligence will always survive...


Thank God for good friends like the Aussies!  Thumbs Up

If I ever had to pick up a rifle in defense of Australia, I'd do it in a second.  

The defeat of Trump-Care will turn out to be very healthy for American democracy....a lot of parasites in our Congress will no doubt be voted out in 2018, and hopefully we'll get some more reasonable folks in place. 

Trump needed a good thrashing to earn some humility, something he's never had happen in his life.  

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Trump needed a good thrashing to earn some humility, something he's never had happen in his life.  

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There are those (intelligent ones) who learn from a thrashing, but  I have a rooster at home which still attacks despite several of them.  I finally caught and caged him, he never did learn.

............................................  You need brains to learn from a thrashing.  Wait and see.
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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

There are those (intelligent ones) who learn from a thrashing, but  I have a rooster at home which still attacks despite several of them.  I finally caught and caged him, he never did learn.

............................................  You need brains to learn from a thrashing.  Wait and see.

Damn good point, Technophobe! 

Thus far, Mr. Trump has only lashed out at others & refuses to accept any blame at all for this historic debacle. 

Meanwhile, I'm seeing rumors that former National Security Advisor Mike Flynn may "flip" on Trump and cooperate with the FBI.  This makes sense, as they probably have a thick pile of charges against Flynn, and there is no love lost with Trump as Trump threw Flynn under the bus. 

Just like Watergate, that is how these things come off the rails....you catch a few small fish & get them to talk.  Stay tuned. 
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Trump isn't draining "the swamp"

TRUMP IS THE SWAMP !!!

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and also that will allow coal fired power plants to pollute more
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The Real Threat to National Security: Deadly Disease

By MICHAEL T. OSTERHOLM and MARK OLSHAKERMARCH 24, 2017

While the Trump administration is proposing significantly increased military spending to enhance our national security, it seems to have lost sight of the greatest national security threat of all: our fight against infectious disease.

We already spend far more on our military than any other country in the world. To help pay for the increases, President Trump wants to cut back many federal programs, including those that prepare us to wage war against microbes, the greatest and most lethal enemy we are ever likely to face. This is where “defense spending” needs to increase, significantly.

President Trump’s budget would cut funding for the National Institutes of Health by 18 percent. It would cut the State Department and the United States Agency for International Development, a key vehicle for preventing and responding to outbreaks before they reach our shores, by 28 percent. And the repeal of the Affordable Care Act would kill the billion-dollar Prevention and Public Health Fund, which provides funding for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to fight outbreaks of infectious disease. (While the budget also calls for the creation of an emergency fund to respond to outbreaks, there is no indication that it would offset the other cuts, or where the money would come from.)

Those cuts will not protect American citizens. They will diminish research and vaccine development and our ability to respond to the growing threats of antibiotic resistance and new infectious diseases.

Those agencies are already falling short, as we saw last year, when they couldn’t effectively respond to the Zika threat. What will they do when we face a real pandemic? With 7.4 billion people, 20 billion chickens and 400 million pigs now sharing the earth, we have created the ideal scenario for creating and spreading dangerous microbes. Trade and travel have connected most points on the globe in a matter of hours. More and more people are living in the microbe-rich megacity slums of the developing world.

By some estimates, the 1918-19 “Spanish” influenza killed more people than all the wars of the 20th century combined. Today, an influenza pandemic could be more devastating than an atom bomb. We are already witnessing an outbreak of influenza in birds — the H7N9 strain, in China — that could be the source for the next human pandemic. Since October, over 500 people have been infected; more than 34 percent have died. Most victims had contact with infected poultry, yet three recent clusters appear to be from person-to-person transmission. Will H7N9 mutate to become easily transmitted between humans? We don’t know. But without sufficient supplies of a vaccine, we are not prepared to stop it.

The spread of antibiotic-resistant microbes also continues at an ever faster rate. Last year a comprehensive review predicted that, if left unchecked, drug-resistant infections will kill more people worldwide by 2050 than cancer and diabetes combined. Without a global effort led by the United States to halt the spread of this resistance and support for development of new antibiotics, we are in danger of returning to a pre-antibiotic world in which a cut could prove deadly and surgery would not be worth the risk of infection.

Yellow fever, a mosquito-borne disease that can kill up to 50 percent of those who get seriously sick, is on the cusp of a major outbreak in some of Brazil’s largest cities, while MERS — Middle East Respiratory Syndrome — continues to infect people on the Arabian Peninsula. If an effective vaccine is not developed, it will continue to be transmitted around the world and cause fatal outbreaks like the one that closed Samsung Medical Center in Seoul to new patients for weeks. A similar outbreak could occur at the Mayo Clinic or Johns Hopkins Hospital.

And three years after the 2014 Ebola crisis, we still have no licensed vaccine or a plan for how to deploy one to prevent future outbreaks.

Finally, there is the danger of diseases deliberately spread by terrorists. Bill Gates, who has put much of his sizable financial resources as well as his brainpower into public health, wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2015: “Of all the things that could kill more than 10 million people around the world, the most likely is an epidemic stemming from either natural causes or bioterrorism.” More recently, at this year’s Munich Security Conference, on the possibility of terrorist-engineered viruses he noted: “They are probably the only thing that can kill a billion.” For example, the science exists to reconstruct the smallpox genome from readily available lab materials, with the added possibility of altering the virus just enough that our existing vaccine would be ineffective.

The military has figured out how to convince congressional funders that the only way to maintain defense is to appropriate money before a crisis. You don’t start building the weapons and training all the soldiers after the first shot has been fired. The only way we can win the inevitable microbe wars is to do the same — to have new vaccines and antibiotics and trained personnel ready before the crisis hits. We cannot rely on pharmaceutical companies to create drugs and vaccines for markets that do not yet exist. Only the government can do this. The additional expenditures would be truly economical in terms of lives saved.

We are talking about national security on the most existential level.

Michael T. Osterholm is an epidemiologist and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. Mark Olshaker is a documentary filmmaker. They are the authors of “Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs.”

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White House Proposes Large Cuts to NIH Research This Year

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March 28, 2017, 10:01 AM CDT

President Donald Trump’s administration has proposed cutting $1.23 billion this fiscal year from research funded by the National Institutes of Health, according to a White House document sent to congressional appropriators.

The reduction is part of $18 billion in cuts that the administration wants in fiscal 2017, which ends in October. Most of the proposed reductions at NIH would come from research grants, with $50 million specifically taken from a program meant to support biomedical research in states that typically get less agency money.

The spending proposal is part of a wider agenda set out by Trump, who has outlined a series of reductions in non-military programs for the next fiscal year. It’s up to Congress to set spending levels, and many of the more drastic measures are unlikely to become law. Legislators never approved a full budget for fiscal 2017, so instead the government is operating under short-term funding legislation that expires April 28.

Asked if there was a chance the cuts would be implemented, Senator Roy Blunt, a Missouri Republican who serves on the Appropriations Committee, said “No. No.”

A worldwide initiative to help people with HIV and AIDS, known as PEPFAR and heavily focused on patient treatment in Africa, would be slashed by almost $300 million under the plan. The savings would be found by slowing the rate of new patients put on treatment and reducing support to “low-performing countries.” States also would face a $50 million cut that would target “less effective HIV research and prevention activities.”

Trump has already proposed cutting biomedical research at the NIH by $5.8 billion next fiscal year, or about 18 percent below 2017 levels. The Office of Management and Budget called the change “a major reorganization of NIH’s institutes and centers to help focus resources on the highest priority research and training activities.” The Trump administration is requesting $65.1 billion for the Department of Health and Human Services in fiscal 2018, down from $84.6 billion in 2016.

U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price is scheduled to appear before the House Committee on Appropriations on Wednesday to talk about the budget proposal for his department, which NIH and and some of the PEPFAR cuts fall under.

Other proposed health cuts for the current year include:

    $40 million from staffing funds at the Food and Drug Administration, achieved in part with “slower than anticipated hiring.”
    $50 million from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, which may delay missions and reduce grants.
    $350 million from research grants at the National Science Foundation for biology, information science and engineering.
    $372 million from the Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program that helps people heat their homes.

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Trumpen Furor is slashing and burning budgets for health care,education and science
all in an attempt to pay for "the wall"

hmm
I thought the Mexicans were gonna pay for that ?

check is in the mail ?

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So, Satori, Die Trumpen Fuhrer has slashed health, science and education.............  Nothing important then.  After all such minor legislation will obviously have no effect on America's standing in the world.  

Who really cares if the entire general population can't read or write and those damn scientists that keep asking for research funds are just a drain on America's economy.  Send them all off to England.  After all America does not want them,  and all the World's best health personnel, (wastrels to a person!) if you send them over here to get rid of them, we, being generous people, will look after them for you - give them jobs and such like.  

Then in a few years time, to prove how much we love your President, we will send a lot of men in red coats on big ships and you can all join the new British Empire - once we have re-educated the huddled masses.  You can still get food, healthcare and education here.  We don't have many impressive walls though - sorry!

This will teach you to kick us out in the first place. Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL  Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL  Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL  Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL        Seriously, this is quite worrying!
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Originally posted by WillobyBrat WillobyBrat wrote:

So, Satori, Die Trumpen Fuhrer has slashed health, science and education.............  Nothing important then.  After all such minor legislation will obviously have no effect on America's standing in the world.  

Who really cares if the entire general population can't read or write and those damn scientists that keep asking for research funds are just a drain on America's economy.  Send them all off to England.  After all America does not want them,  and all the World's best health personnel, (wastrels to a person!) if you send them over here to get rid of them, we, being generous people, will look after them for you - give them jobs and such like.  

Then in a few years time, to prove how much we love your President, we will send a lot of men in red coats on big ships and you can all join the new British Empire - once we have re-educated the huddled masses.  You can still get food, healthcare and education here.  We don't have many impressive walls though - sorry!

This will teach you to kick us out in the first place. Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL  Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL  Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL  Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL Evil Smile LOL        Seriously, this is quite worrying!

LOL!!  I often offer apologies to my Brit friends for the American Revolution, and we discuss how to properly apologize to Her Majesty!  

Scotland may be its own nation soon enough, I wonder if your countrymen will choose independence? 

Meanwhile, the USA is sure struggling with Pres. Drumpf and his sycophants!  How this buffoon got elected, I'll never understand....I was NOT a fan of Mrs. Clinton, and viewed it as a lesser of two evils choice.  
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Looks like you were right on the money, Chuck. Flynn's trying to cut a deal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/us/politics/michael-flynn-congress-immunity-russia.html?_r=0




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I was NOT a fan of Mrs. Clinton, and viewed it as a lesser of two evils choice.  
Me too.  I did not realize just how much lesser, though!  WOW!  No wonder the Republicans politically "in the know", like The Bushes, voted elsewhere.

I can't help but notice that his daughter just got a White-house posting, the oligarchy grows and grows.
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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

Looks like you were right on the money, Chuck. Flynn's trying to cut a deal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/us/politics/michael-flynn-congress-immunity-russia.html?_r=0


Thanks, JD!  I have just enough law enforcement background to have smelled this one out as possible earlier. 

Of course, once one rat jumps ship, the rest will soon follow.  We are likely to see a parade of these characters.   

I've even seen rumors that Trump is considering resigning as US President, and that he'd cut a Nixon/Ford kind of deal with Pence to get an immediate pardon.  I'm not sold yet, but if stuff keeps falling into place, it might make sense.  

This is tongue-in-cheek, but you have to wonder about this scenario:

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There is already talk of throwing Trump under the bus, in favor of the more pliable President Pence! 

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i think trump is well under a bus ,but he dosnt know it yet......

the man is a Joke..........
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Is this a snowflake safe place? So much butthurt in this thread. The vaccine for it is at least 3 years 10 months out, and maybe as long as 7 years 10 months out.
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Originally posted by 1-  4 the republic 1- 4 the republic wrote:

Is this a snowflake safe place? So much butthurt in this thread. The vaccine for it is at least 3 years 10 months out, and maybe as long as 7 years 10 months out.

Go away, Ivan.  Putin needs you in St. Pete.
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apparently there are a LOT of snowflakes now

Trump's approval rating had dropped double digits
it's in the mid 30's at best

the public is finally waking up to what a fraud and con man this dumpster fire of a President really is
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Trump has  a well known history of using,abusing and victimizing women
apparently he is not done yet

Trump Pulls Back Obama-Era Protections For Women Workers


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-pulls-back-obama-era-protections-for-women-workers/ar-BBzink0?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
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it's not snowflakes losing jobs
it's the typical Trump supporter

As U.S. Jobs Flee the Country, One of Trump's Biggest Campaign Promises Is Already Going Down in Flames

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/us-jobs-flee-country-one-trumps-biggest-campaign-promises-already-going-down

TWEET
TWEET
we need a TWEET !!!
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hey hey
ho ho
"snowflakes" say ya gots to go

More Than Half of Americans Think Trump Should Resign: Poll

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/americans-want-trump-resign
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Originally posted by 1-  4 the republic 1- 4 the republic wrote:

Is this a snowflake safe place? So much butthurt in this thread. The vaccine for it is at least 3 years 10 months out, and maybe as long as 7 years 10 months out.

I think it may well be that the democrats just refuse to understand the reality of their position at the state level as well as at the national level. It's pretty not a pretty fact for them to face that they hold the least amount of seats at the state level since the civil war. Republicans hold both houses in 32 state legislatures and 33 states have Republican governors. That is in addition to Republican Congressional control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate as well as the Executive branch.

Republicans are now in  http://www.ncsl.org/blog/2016/11/09/plenty-of-surprises-in-legislative-races.aspx - control of a record 67 (68 percent) of the 98 partisan state legislative chambers in the nation, more than twice the number (31) in which Democrats have a majority, according to the bipartisan  http://www.ncsl.org/research/about-state-legislatures/partisan-com.aspx - National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL).

“That’s more than at any other time in the history of the Republican Party,” according to NCSL. “They also hold more total seats, well over 4,100 of the 7,383, than they have since 1920.”

Next year, the GOP will control both legislative chambers in 32 states - an all-time high, according to NCSL - while Democrats will have total control of just 13 state legislatures.

In 24 of the 32 states with Republican-controlled legislatures, voters have also elected Republican governors. In contrast, Democrats have a “political trifecta” in just six states.


All that amounts to a certain level of "butthurt" by the democrats and perhaps it should after all their failed policies and leaders lead them to this, and this is simply the citizens reacting and rejecting those policies and leaders. Hardly surprising really. What is surprising is the fact that some still cling to polls.LOL

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