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Natural Remedies that SHOULD NOT BE USED w/ H5N1! |
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figure'n it out
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 6:35am |
I am concerned... please everyone can we work together and post on this thread info containing natural remedies that increase the cytokine storm that comes as a complication w/ the BF.... alot of people know that Elderberry is BAD for this strain as is Honey...I have more but need to gather my info and resources to share...HELP! KEEP THREAD SPECIFIC TO WHAT NOT TO GET ( we don't want to feed our children, etc...a remedy that will surely cause complications!) Thank you for your help everyone...Have a Happy Sunday! Alot of people need to reveiw thier supplies and make changes!!!!! I had too!
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figure'n it out
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DO NOT USE;
Elderberry juice (Sambucal) Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. Increases in these cytokines may trigger lethal cytokine storm. Isr. Med Journal 2002 Honey- Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. PubMed PMID12824009 Chocolate- Increases production of above cytokines Echinacea- increases production as well. Micro Algae ( Chlorella and Spirulina) increases production of cytokine TNF-a. Kimchi- increases productions as well. Good luck Everyone! |
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nettie4263
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I thought kimchi was supposed to CURE bird flu?
Also, I bought a lot of honey because jelly would need refrigeration. Honey would be fine to use unless we were ill, correct?
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I do not believe Kimchi has been categorized as bird flu cure, to the best of my knowledge
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nettie4263
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http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7154&KW=kimche
It's not a proven cure by any means, but I thought I had read about it here...
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I think both sides to every story about "bad" cures needs to be aired, so people can make their own choice. I fully intend to use elderberry as a way to fight off BF. |
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Jhetta
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Here is the info I have found.. I will not be useing elderberry. I will use it for normal flu!
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Hopefully in the coming months we will see more medical information, but there is not much evidence. Natural substances never get much scientific research because there is no big profit. This would need very complicated research because what might help for most year's influenza, when it might be GOOD to stimulate the immune system, might be bad in a bad pandemic year due to the wrong kind of overstimulation. Age also comes into play. What might help an elderly or immune compromised person might be harmful for a young person or young to middle aged adult for the same reasons.
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From my readings, elderberry extract WITH curcumerin/biopiperine but WITHOUT echinacea should be fine.
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Jhetta
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New evidence of cytokine storm in avian flu cases
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figure'n it out, it is my understanding from all I've read up to date that it is the Echinacea in Sambucal that may increases production of cytokines. The reason; all these things you listed increase mucus!
The first discovery was that Elderberry killed 8 types of flu including the H5N1in canine cells. If I am lucky and it kills it then I don't need to worry about complications. Your list looks pretty good but one more that I know of is Milk. I know this to be a fact from living with other conditions but didn't realize it until I read it somewhere. I've been experimenting on myself now for about a year because I love milk. I have Elderberry products (some homemade) and will use them in attempt to prevent. I would not recommend taking Sambucal after getting the flu. One very important point I think needs to be brought out is that the "good" benefit from Elderberry comes from natural sugars which flush through the body in 6 hours. So, if I have to go out I will take it 20 minutes before leaving and be back in less than 6 hours or re-dose! All the things you have listed are on my list but milk should be there too. I think we should follow the list once a person has the flu. Until then some of these things may very well help prevent getting it and we can enjoy till we get sick. I am a very big fan of Garlic. I just can't tell you how many times I believe it saved my life. I had pneumonia so many times one year that stopped doing x-rays at the emergency room and just prescribed drugs and sent me back to work. That was when I got so angry I started looking for self-help and I found Garlic. I guess it's been about 15 years now since I've had bronchitics or pneumonia. I strongly recommend Garlic. I'm not talking about a dust on toast. I'm talking enough to equable 5 gloves per day for an adult. People need honey for instance. Not only does locally grown honey help my allergies but bacteria cannot grow under honey so I use it for burns and scrapes. It has healing powers and reduces pain. We will be eating more fruits, grains and vegetables because they are alkaline and and there is much evidence that cancer cells cannot live in alkaline conditions and it's been questioned as to weather this virus can. I will avoid high acid foods. Calcium reduces acid. All of my information is from life experience and/or reading and research. The gathering comes from reliable sources but is not guaranteed. I am not telling anyone to do these things but these are things that I do or plan to do. Much of it is just common sense. Picture someone sitting on the side of a bed, with bf ....eating chocolate. Trust me they will scarcely know they are in the world. What we must do is not get it. And it may not be any one thing that does it but a combination. Meantime I just choose to be healthier. Good luck to you and all. |
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I thought sambucal was supposed to be good. Too bad there is not more info.
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I used to have more posts :-(
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Jhetta
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There is more info... however I have found that when I post it... most people do not bother to read it... and instead stick to an opionon they have formed in the past!
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Scientists in Hong Kong have reported new experimental evidence that avian influenza infections in human cells are more likely to trigger a destructive immune-system overreaction, or "cytokine storm," than human flu viruses are.
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Peramivir
is a pharmaceutical drug used to viral infections. Like zanamivir and oseltamivir, peramivir is a neuraminidase inhibitor, acting as a transition-state analogue inhibitor of influenza neuraminidase and thereby preventing new viruses from emerging from infected cells.
Experimental data indicate that peramivir may have useful activity against many viruses of interest, including H5N1 (avian bird flu) , hepatitis B, polio, measles and smallpox. Peramivir is active in a hamster model of yellow fever, a finding which is not surprising, given the familial relationship of yellow fever and hepatitis C viruses as flaviviridae. Peramivir is active against other important flaviviridae such as West Nile virus and dengue fever. "Dr. Frederick Heyden of the University of Virginia recently presented unpublished data suggesting that peramivir may have the potential for use as single dose parenteral treatment or prophylaxis for influenza (Infectious Diseases Society of America Annual Meeting, San Francisco, October 6-9, 2005). In a talk on the use of antiviral drugs in the setting of an influenza pandemic, Dr. Heydan presented unpublished animal data that suggests that, due to its very long half life, peramivir, an investigational neuraminaidase inhibitor drug, maintains its anti-influenza activity for as long as 10 days following a single intravenous dose." [...] |
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During BF or any other epidemic or pandemic, we ae going to have concerns other then just the BF or whatever the virus is. If you get a bad cold it can go to bronchittis, or worse. If you have a cut it can become infected and that infection could go systemic. There is a place for all the alternatives, but cytokines is simply not one where we want to use other althernatives that cause even more cytokene production. If my baby had normal lungs and a immune system, I would give some of these to fight the cold. Or I may make a paste and put it on a cut. We are the responsible ones. I feel honored to be with all of you. WE care enough to know and find out. We need to find out what will make our lives better even if there never is a BF outbreak, rather then worse. There are many situations where, traditional meds may not be availbale. You can grow Echinecia in your yard, pretty purple flowers, no one even knows to steal em. LOL You get a twofer, pretty flowers and home grown meds. Make sure you know who can and can not take them, and what illness to use them for and what ones to not use. A willow tree is filled with pain meds. Study up, it is fun. |
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Nice information jhetta. I was unaware regarding the same. It was really helpful for me to come across this post and read so much wonderful information. Thank you for sharing this guys.
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