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    Posted: February 08 2006 at 9:03am

Nigeria: Sick chickens on sale despite bird flu fear
8 February 2006 - (abbreviated)


KANO, Nigeria - Market sellers in northern Nigeria are doing a roaring
trade in chickens, which died from a mystery infection, despite fears of a
deadly strain of bird flu, traders said on Wednesday.

As Nigeria confirmed Africa’s first outbreak of H5N1 avian influenza,
which has already killed 88 people in Europe and Asia, officials said they
were putting strict quarantine measures in place to protect consumers.

But an AFP reporter found that birds, which died in another, similar
disease outbreak were being auctioned off cheaply in the northern city of
Kano.

“The poultry farmers bring their chickens, which they kill as soon they
realise they are infected, to us to sell for them and customers rush to buy
them because they are cheap,” said trader Musa Rabiu in Kano’s Taurani
market.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/th eworld/
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If you cook the meat at a high enough temperature you kill the virus.  The question always remains, "Did you cook it long enough?"
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Cooking the meat thoroughly isn't the problem.  The problem is that you get infected during the plucking & gutting.  Blood and virus aerolsols hit the air during those activities.  Cooking is then immaterial.
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Keep in mind that the reason they prefer freshly killed chicken, at the
market or back at their home, is because they don't have the same access
to refrigeration, in the third world.

I agree the meat is safe. Regular hamburger can kill a child if it not
properly cooked.

Remember this virus is genetically related to the origianl "Spanish Flu"
virus, which was also known in 1918, as the "Swine Flu". The viral-
mutational-roulette wheel is spinning a billions of times a second 24/7
and, its starting to produce some winners. You can't shut down the casino
unless you address 3rd World issues.

You take away chickens and 3rd World families go hungry for protein.

Unless you can provide their families with a substitute, this problem will
not go away.

Tough choices for everyone. It's a good time to start thinking about them.

P.S. Any idea how many millions of HIV
immune-comprimised people are in Africa and
how easily any one of them could be infected
by handling an infected chicken? The virus would
be at an all-you-can-eat buffet.

The virus now has four genetic branches with a little help from mankind.
How many will it have after help from an HIV patient. Do you think any of
those dying in misery, care if they get infected? Personally I would
consider it more merciful to go in 3-days, than 3-months. At least my
last meal is fried chicken!

At best it takes 6-months to develop a vaccine for only one virus.

My 2-cents.




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WHO just posted the Nigeria update on their web-site.  If you read it pay close attention to the message.  It appears to me that they are being much more open and are showing signs of real concern.  Could this be leading up to the WHO about to change the "level" up? 
 
Sure would like to see some others comments on this notice......I could be off base but seem to notice a change in the language they are using.
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Rick,

According to the CIA World Fact book Nigeria has 3.6
million people living with AIDS/HIV as of 2003.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ni.
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Some info on AIDS and Influenza:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/hiv-flu.htm

I dont agree with Ricks picture of AIDS sufferers not caring if they get the bird flu, avoiding infection with other illnesses is a prime concern of people with AIDS. Whilst the plight of AIDS sufferers in Africa is clearly worse than in the developed world, they have no less will to live, and some are getting the drugs they need. True there is no cure for AIDS but its not always the death sentence it once was.

I cannot assess whether this AIDS complication increases the risk of more strains appearing that significantly. I would be concerned that people with AIDS and H5N1 might shed the virus for longer and in greater quantities, similar to other immuno-compromised humans and children.

Right now the poor vetinary network in Africa is the most immediate factor that makes bird flu in Africa such an additional worry.
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Yes they will live longer in africa if they get the aids drugs that we buy for them here and send over there  while our durg cost remain high.

I'm tired of subsidizing the world while the IRS is sent out to beat money from our public to pay for thier cures.

Just like BF will prove. We can't save the world.

Speculation is the only tool we have with a threat that can circle the globe in 30 days. Test results&news is slow.Factor in human conditions,politics, money&bingo!The truth!Facts come after the fact.
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"Just like BF will prove. We can't save the world."

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I'd be happy to save ourselves. Greece just detected 5
infected swans, no word on the type of H5, but I'm betting
dollars to donuts, the birds were detected because they were dead.

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Originally posted by Corn Corn wrote:

Yes they will live longer in africa if they get the aids drugs that we buy for them here and send over there  while our durg cost remain high.

I'm tired of subsidizing the world while the IRS is sent out to beat money from our public to pay for thier cures.

Just like BF will prove. We can't save the world.



Well part of the drug solution for africa was to let them copy & produce patented drugs and produce them themselves, so we are looking more at a loss of profit for companies than a direct increase int he tax burden on Mr & Mrs America.

I doubt anything I say will change your opinion, but to me the view that Africa is just a drain on other countries resources is a bit misleading, considering the quantity of various precious resources that are exported from that continent for use by the rest of the world.

Give up on Africa if you will, just so long as you dont mind losing access to the Nigerian oil!

Isolationism is not something I support, I think its silly considering the USA would not be the global power it is today without trading strongly with the rest of the world.
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Originally posted by double10x double10x wrote:

Cooking the meat thoroughly isn't the problem.  The problem is that you get infected during the plucking & gutting.  Blood and virus aerolsols hit the air during those activities.  Cooking is then immaterial.
That is why you let someone else do it for you.....
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From the CIA World Factbook.... It's worth your time to skim the entire page on Nigeria.  There are facts about the country that will have direct bearing on any outbreak of H5N1 and H-2-H transmission.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ni.html

Oil-rich Nigeria, long hobbled by political instability, corruption, inadequate infrastructure, and poor macroeconomic management, is undertaking some reforms under a new reform-minded administration. Nigeria's former military rulers failed to diversify the economy away from its overdependence on the capital-intensive oil sector, which provides 20% of GDP, 95% of foreign exchange earnings, and about 65% of budgetary revenues. The largely subsistence agricultural sector has failed to keep up with rapid population growth - Nigeria is Africa's most populous country - and the country, once a large net exporter of food, now must import food. Following the signing of an IMF stand-by agreement in August 2000, Nigeria received a debt-restructuring deal from the Paris Club and a $1 billion credit from the IMF, both contingent on economic reforms. Nigeria pulled out of its IMF program in April 2002, after failing to meet spending and exchange rate targets, making it ineligible for additional debt forgiveness from the Paris Club. In the last year the government has begun showing the political will to implement the market-oriented reforms urged by the IMF, such as to modernize the banking system, to curb inflation by blocking excessive wage demands, and to resolve regional disputes over the distribution of earnings from the oil industry. In 2003 the government began deregulating fuel prices, announced the privatization of the country's four oil refineries, and instituted the National Economic Empowerment Development Strategy, a domestically designed and run program modeled on the IMF's Poverty Reduction and Growth Facility for fiscal and monetary management. GDP rose strongly in 2005, based largely on increased oil exports and high global crude prices. In November 2005, Abuja won Paris Club approval for an historic debt relief deal that by March 2006 should eliminate $30 billion worth of Nigeria's total $36 billion external debt. The deal first requires that Nigeria repay roughly $12 billion in arrears to its bilateral creditors. Nigeria would then be allowed to buyback its remaining debt stock at a discount. The deal commits Nigeria more intensified IMF reviews.

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How will bird flu affect oil production in Nigeria, that could be more immediately troublesome on the world economy? There are some serious upheavals currently affecting Nigerian crude oil production. A birdflu economic meltdown thrust upon the Nigerian economy could trigger serious national unrest. There is already anomosity amoungst the people of this country and the oil producers. They rightly believe they are not getting there fair share of the oil profits. Cut off a food supply and all hell could break loose.

Just a thought...

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WASHINGTON -- Whenever blood is shed in Nigeria, the global economy feels the pain. On Jan. 11, a militia group calling itself Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (MEND) seized four Shell engineers and held them hostage for three weeks. Armed forces attacked a flow station, killed several workers and cut Nigeria's oil exports by 10 percent. Shell removed more than 500 employees from the region.
    
    It was just one among numerous attacks in Nigeria, the fifth-largest exporter of crude oil to the United States. In 1998, a military group from the Ijaw, the largest ethnic tribe in the southern oil-producing Niger Delta, stormed Shell pipelines and platforms, cutting off one-third of the country's oil exports.

http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20060209-09450 7-6917r

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