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    Posted: July 04 2017 at 4:02am
Despite some earlier displays of action in Syria and Afghanistan, a historical even has occurred. North Korea under Kim Jong-Un launched a successful ICBM capable of carrying a nuclear warhead and delivering a payload to nearly any place on earth.

Diplomacy has been tried and failed with North Korea and just as it failed with Iran, unless there is some kind of response, it is only a matter of time until they launch missile and can hit not only California targets, but Washington D.C. as well.

Everyone is grumbling, but with the surety that they would attack Seoul and more than 25 million people would die, nothing will be done.

It would appear the people are more interested in the daily Jerry Springer show with Trump tweets and juvenile antics, which I personally am becoming embarrassed by. If I were giving advise I would say stop with the tweets - have formal press conferences and get out of the mud wrestling CNN. It is petty and juvenile and we have much bigger fish to fry on the world stage.

Leave the press alone.

I woke up from another nuclear nightmare in the middle of the night once more to log in and ready this stuff.

It is serious. I have posted hundreds of times of what would happen with a nuclear exchange and if there is not a surgical strike, which no nuclear power would retaliate against or Kim Jong-Un is not "removed" from power,  this is going to happen.

All the big parade of ships and Armadas and threats and how we would not tolerate a nuclear North Korea mean nothing. It is all words.

America is a less safe place to live today and we are on the verge of being attacked by North Korea and especially being drawn in a war in Korea any day.  Not if, but when.

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/03/asia/north-korea-missile-japan-waters/index.html

(CNN)North Korea claims to have conducted its first successful test of a long-range missile that it says can "reach anywhere in the world."

Tuesday morning's missile test, which was conducted on the orders of the country's leader, Kim Jong Un, reached a height of 2,802 kilometers (1,741 miles), according to state broadcaster Korea Central Television (KCTV).
That's the highest altitude ever reached by a North Korean missile, and puts the US on notice that Pyongyang could potentially hit the US mainland.

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I could not agree more, Med!  I know things will get nasty if anyone tackles NK, but the longer it is left the nast-IER it will be.  That dictator and his minions (nothing cute or yellow about those guys) is a very serious threat to civilization as  a whole.

Whether or not Trump has had Russian help in the elections, he gets on better than most with them.  This could be to everyone's advantage.  It is time to get all the big powers on board, irrespecitve of previous alliances, and lay down the law to the dictatorship - being prepared to enforce it in whatever way is necessary, including war if that is what it takes.

I understand this is horrific.  But, it must not be unthinkable to the West.  It is definitely not unthinkable to Kim Jong Un.

It is obvious, I do not like Trump.  But, he may just be the best President we could have in this situation.  The appeasers failed to reign in the space cockroach.  Now, the bully needs to have a go.  Maybe he will do better.

One thing is inescapable:  The longer it is left, the worse it will get.
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With regards to the belligerence and the obvious stage three threat posed by North Korea: North Korea must now be considered an enemy state and as such, its leader and all military personnel, as enemy assets.  

I know for a fact there are plenty of Korean, Chinese, Japanese and probably many other people of mongoloid race in the military of the United States.  

I honestly believe the answer is to dispatch a specifically trained K-unit to South Korea or a coastal area of North Korea giving access to the North Korean assets.  "Presents" of take down ordinance, or easily carried ordinance, could be supplied within South Korea, or carried in to the North.  

The purpose of the K-unit is to eliminate the the enemy assets with a wet removal.

Failing this, absolute identification of the position of the enemy assets can be ascertained by satellite and a high accuracy, maximum penetration device launched: thus removing the threat.  I am sure that the removal of the present enemy assets would bring about a internal revolution resulting in the removal of the core problem. 
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Don't you think it funny,USA sails close by islands,and next day a missile is launched....
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I heard there were snipers that were itching to be put within a mile of Saddam Hussein pre-Gulf War, and it would seem simple enough to fix this whole mess by surgically removing Kim Jong-un. The entire issue would seem to come down to one man (I use the term loosely) who has an entire country gripped by fear, and it's easy to think that any regime change at this point has to be an improvement, but I remember thinking how much better it was going to be when Kim Jong-il died and his son took over. It's hard for us to imagine what it must be like to live in a nation force fed propaganda for generations with nothing from the outside to counter it, but we have to remember that this all started a long time ago, but not so far back that the north hasn't forgotten what happened during the Korean War.

They started the aggression by invading the south, but the US led coalitions response under the watch of military leaders like Gen. Douglas MacArthur was beyond brutal. We carpet bombed the country to the point that Air Force commanders complained of nothing above one story left to bomb, yet they continued for a further year. We dropped more ordinance and napalm on the peninsula than the entire Pacific campaign during World War II, and killed twenty percent of the population. MacArthur at one point suggested ending the war in ten days with a string of 30-50 atomic bombs that would have “spread behind us … a belt of radioactive cobalt.”

None of this comes close to justifying what Kim Jong-un has done to his own people because that is just self serving dictatorship at it's most extreme, but we have to see it from the perspective of the North Koreans who deeply distrust the west based on real events. He - and his father and grandfather before him - have successfully used history to brainwash his people to the point that it's now impossible for anyone outside of North Korea to predict whether his assassination would cause them to celebrate or rise up. I personally suspect the latter, but to what effect is anyone's guess. And with maybe a couple of dozens nukes in play, that could be a pretty expensive gamble.




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Yep!  But, getting all the more dangerous every day.
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With every missile test, and new - and likely more powerful - nuclear device...
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
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And it gets worse.  Yesterday within the same time frame, the Nasdaq took a cyber attack that decreased the shares of Amazon, google, and others by over 80%.  Coincidence?    This recently happened to the bitcoin, and I'm not buying the "glitch" theory.   Most likely a cyber attack, although if the feds mention that it will send the markets into collapse. 


Amazon and Google share prices were wrongly reported down more than 80% after test data went live

Nasdaq says it is investigating how wildly inaccurate share-price information for a range of major US tech stocks went live on large consumer information services, including Bloomberg’s trading platform as well as Google Finance and Yahoo Finance.

Headline price figures for Amazon and for Google's parent company, Alphabet, were displaying as down by more than 80% as a result of the error, which emerged after US markets closed.

Share prices for Amazon, Alphabet, Apple, and Microsoft are all being returned as $123.47. Prices for about 16 stocks were affected.

A Nasdaq spokesman told Business Insider that the exchange's unlisted trading privileges service sent out some test data that was wrongly sent live on Bloomberg.

“As part of its normal process, the UTP distributed normal test data, and certain third parties improperly consumed and propagated that data," the spokesman said. "Nasdaq is working with UTP and third parties to resolve the matter."

Bloomberg has been contacted for comment.

Here are the (somewhat terrifying)

Google: being marked down 86%

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Amazon: down 87%

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Apple: relatively unscathed, down 14%

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The fed think tanks will have to first determine why all the prices hit $123.47, or 12347. 

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Damn - how did they get my PIN?


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LOL
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WinkOOPS 
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I'm just glad I was able to buy Amazon on the 80% dip.   Yahooo
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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

Damn - how did they get my PIN?




probably cause' you were using  MY pin "1-2-3-4" ???LOL

and in other news

Officials Confirm North Korea Launched ICBM, Say U.S. ‘Prepared To Defend Ourselves’


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-korea-missile_us_595aeea2e4b05c37bb7fdb9b?6pc&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009


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Kim used the launch to taunt the United States during its Independence Day holiday, calling the missile a “gift” to Americans.

“We should send them gifts once in a while to help break their boredom,” he said, according to the country’s state-run news agency."


this was a DIRECT IN YER FACE provocation

PLENTY of tough talk AGAIN from everyone

but ACTION  ???


Trumps first really BIG test


and he is operating from a position of weakness

the French ambassador to the US just said that Trump is "harming global stability"

and the Germans are upset with him and making their displeasure known QUITE publicly now

and other world leaders are now referring to Angela Merkel as "the leader of the free world"

and not Trump



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thats all we need "Jerry"at the top.......lol.....


Mr Chuchill will be turning in his grave..........
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It is likely but very scary that the U.S. is about to take military action to stop North Korea. China agrees that North Korea is more than just it's problem and is massing forces on the border as well as preparing for the detonation of a nuclear device by the U.S.

What do they know that we don't?  There is no easy surgical strike and it is for sure they will attack and level Seoul with any strike by the U.S.. 20,000,000 people will die.

There is no way we can take out all of the facilities yet it is only a matter of time before they launch nukes on California and other targets in the U.S.

The American military combined with others powerful armed forces may set in motion a war. Just because it is not that much in the news does not mean a lot is not happening behind the scenes.

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All I know is; the longer we wait, the worse it gets.

I am no Trumpette (feel free to precede that with an s if you like) but he just might be the best option here.  The diplomacy (without gunboat) from those who came before him, failed miserably.  I believe it will continue to do so, until whichever Kim Jong is in power at the time can just walk in and take what he likes. 

Trump, on the other hand, has no self control.  Well, self control failed.  Go Trump!

How about nukes on the interior; daisycutters or moabs on the border?  Ok, so that  is  horrible.  I have no defense except -  The alternative is so much worse.  That which is unthinkable to us, is not unthinkable to NK.  

The time when action could have made a difference without such a huge cost came and went decades ago.  Instead the West imposed sanctions.  How many have starved to death?  'And to what end?  The West just gets blamed in NK and so have given the Kims an excuse to  make weapons and train a huge army.  By any yardstick that is shooting yourself in the foot.

I seem to remember that Chamberlain tried to appease the Nazis.  Anyone believe that worked?
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North Korea just launched another ICBM with flew 45 minutes - the longest yet and flew 7 time higher than one of our orbiting weather stations. The military made a flatly inaccurate state that it would be a year before they had the capability to target Alaska, Seattle, San Francisco, or Los Angeles. They have it now.

It is beyond my comprehension how the soap opera continues to berate and attack President Donald Trump who is the commander-in-chief of our military forces. It World War III starts, and even if 15 million South Koreans die in 40 minutes it will be the end of the world as we know it.

Once any city in the U.S. has been hit - the Power Grid will go down in many areas and the net will collapse.
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