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    Posted: July 01 2016 at 3:02pm
Looks like this was an omen for a whole series of terrorist attacks across the world. Most recently Bangladesh and now Baghdad. It is the time of the season - Ramadan - and it appears at last with Isis and Al-Quaeda - it has begun a holy war - at least attacks around the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadan

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It would help a lot if people could keep their "terrorist" groups straight.  So now we have a bombing in Bangladesh. Isis did not call and take the credit for the Istanbul airport incident because they probably had nothing do with it. One wonders who is making these calls taking credit i.e. Bangladesh. Are they even coming from Isis - Isil - however you wish to say it?

Perhaps not.

A U.S. official familiar with intelligence thinking told CNN’s Barbara Starr that based on past operations, it is more likely that al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent is conducting this attack — not ISIS. This is preliminary analysis — not a conclusion — based on the best information available. The official says AQIS has demonstrated a more capable presence in Dhaka over the past few months than ISIS, and so far, all of its attacks in Bangladesh have been in Dhaka.

http://ktla.com/2016/07/01/at-least-40-injured-2-officers-killed-during-attack-on-bangladeshs-capital-isis-claims-responsibility/

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Med; the taliban in Afghanistan is believed to be "strongly linked" with the Pakistan secret service ISI. 
Al qaeda gets is money from the gulf states just like IS-I did understand that one of them recognises the king of Saudi Arabia as their (religious) leader, the other (proberbly IS) does not. 

Al Nusra is Al Quada, in Syria, ISIL=Islamic State In the Levant. Both Al Quada and IS once were created/supported by the CIA/west/NATO to fight against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan c.q. Assad in Syria. 

But when you create a "monster (Frankenstein-style)" you will loose control over that monster. A way of controling is supplies with food, weapons, info, logistics. IS would not exist without Turkey and the oil traded from Syria and Iraq via Turkey to (mostly) the west. 

It is often difficult to see the strategy behind IS etc. but IS seems to be running for control of oil. IS now is believed to be active in Nigeria (and surrounding countries as a part of Boko Haram), Algeria, Libia, Sinai (Egypt), Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan. 

Islamic groups are also fighting in Malaysia, Indonesia, Philipines-also a strong oil link. Proberbly IS is in contact with these "fighters". 

A big question is how IS is able to have such a large network. Most likely several countries, "groups" are working with them under cover of diplomacy, aid-organization (the Erdogan family has such an aid group helping IS, in the Gulf states (and Pakistan, Indonesia) there is fundraising for IS. Proberbly also international banks cooperate (although they will always denie that they knew they were funding IS etc.). IS uses the telecommunications network in Turkey. 

"False flag"attacks (on the 4th of July in the US) could form an (welcomed by some) excuse for further intervention in Syria and Iraq (and thereby more pressure against Russia, Iran and China). 

In my opinion IS has strong links with the CIA, even if the Pentagon would make other choices. 
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Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

Med; the taliban in Afghanistan is believed to be "strongly linked" with the Pakistan secret service ISI. 
Al qaeda gets is money from the gulf states just like IS-I did understand that one of them recognises the king of Saudi Arabia as their (religious) leader, the other (proberbly IS) does not. 

Al Nusra is Al Quada, in Syria, ISIL=Islamic State In the Levant. Both Al Quada and IS once were created/supported by the CIA/west/NATO to fight against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan c.q. Assad in Syria. 

But when you create a "monster (Frankenstein-style)" you will loose control over that monster. A way of controling is supplies with food, weapons, info, logistics. IS would not exist without Turkey and the oil traded from Syria and Iraq via Turkey to (mostly) the west.

comment: IS is a created monster much like the Mujahideen. When Clement Rodney Hampton-el, a hospital technician from Brooklyn, New Jersey, returned home from the war in Afghanistan in 1989, he told friends his only desire was to return. Though he had been wounded in the arm and leg by a Russian shell, he said he had failed. He had not achieved martyrdom in the name of Islam.

So he found a different theatre for his holy war and achieved a different sort of martyrdom. Three years ago, he was convicted of planning a series of massive explosions in Manhattan and sentenced to 35 years in prison.

Hampton-el was described by prosecutors as a skilled bomb-maker. It was hardly surprising. In Afghanistan he fought with the Hezb-i-Islami group of mujahideen, whose training and weaponry were mainly supplied by the CIA.

He was not alone. American officials estimate that, from 1985 to 1992, 12,500 foreigners were trained in bomb-making, sabotage and urban guerrilla warfare in Afghan camps the CIA helped to set up.

Since the fall of the Soviet puppet government in 1992, another 2,500 are believed to have passed through the camps. They are now run by an assortment of Islamic extremists, including Osama bin Laden, the world's most wanted terrorist.


It is often difficult to see the strategy behind IS etc. but IS seems to be running for control of oil. IS now is believed to be active in Nigeria (and surrounding countries as a part of Boko Haram), Algeria, Libia, Sinai (Egypt), Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan.

comment: In the end, far beyond the theology or religion, it nearly is always about money. the only things more important than money to those who engineer the wars of the world is power. If the U.s. and other nations were not addicted to oil, it is very unlikely that we would even be in the Middle East drawn into a conflict that has gone on for more than 3,000 years.

Islamic groups are also fighting in Malaysia, Indonesia, Philipines-also a strong oil link. Proberbly IS is in contact with these "fighters". 

A big question is how IS is able to have such a large network. Most likely several countries, "groups" are working with them under cover of diplomacy, aid-organization (the Erdogan family has such an aid group helping IS, in the Gulf states (and Pakistan, Indonesia) there is fundraising for IS. Proberbly also international banks cooperate (although they will always denie that they knew they were funding IS etc.). IS uses the telecommunications network in Turkey.

comment: IS is getting "street smart." You can learn how to fix your broken toilet or you can hire a plumber to teach you much faster or even do it. What is far more disturbing if American money has been used to create and train two of the greatest dangers to U.S. national security and safety in history.

"False flag"attacks (on the 4th of July in the US) could form an (welcomed by some) excuse for further intervention in Syria and Iraq (and thereby more pressure against Russia, Iran and China). 

In my opinion IS has strong links with the CIA, even if the Pentagon would make other choices.

comment: You can bust drug dealers or you can move in people to deal drugs and watch what is happening first person. The greatest problem is that solutions which may have had some success in the 80s and 90s do not work in 2016.  If this extends to forming terrorist groups to emulate real ones and spreading out info that they are the real thing, it could get very complicated. It is very possible that some of our greatest headaches today are covert ops gone bad.

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/07/03/bangladesh-prime-minister-says-cafe-attackers-part-domestic-group-not-isis.html?intcmp=hpbt2

Yes, I know the much maligned Fox Network. But there are some solid facts here.

Many details of the attack remain unclear a day after commandos stormed the restaurant and rescued 13 people. But police released photographs of the bodies of five attackers, along with their first names: Akash, Badhon, Bikash, Don and Ripon.

Their families hadn't heard anything from them in months, according to police.

"They are all Bangladeshis. They are from rich families, they have good educational background," Bangladesh's Home Minister Asaduzzaman Khan said.

He identified them as being part of the banned domestic group Jumatul Mujahedeen Bangladesh, or JMB. He and once again refuted the possibility that the Islamic State could have been behind the attack despite the group claiming responsibility on Saturday and releasing horrifying photographs of what unfolded overnight Friday.

The government insists the extremist Sunni Muslim group has no presence in the country, and in the past has suggested that any claims of responsibility for violence waged in the South Asian country are simply opportunistic attempts at grabbing global attention.

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http://www.thedailystar.net/frontpage/who-are-they-1250065 The Bangladesh terror act was carried out by a local group with strong IS-links. (The attackers standing in front of an IS-flag, IS claiming the act of terror, the arrest of two IS recruiters in may (2016 or 2015 ?) who may have something to do with recruiting the terrorists. Also there seems to be a link with Malaysia). 

Outside the middle east IS seems to be "working" with all kind of local/regional groups (like Boko Haram in west Africa). 

http://www.debka.com/article/25521/Bangladesh-ISIS-pays-Italy-back-for-role-in-Libya The victums in Dhakka were from Italy and Japan for the most. Debka links that with the role Italy plays in (its former colony) Libya.  IS attacked Italy in a cafe in Dhakka-Bangladesh, a "weak spot". 

Another question  is for how much individual/small group attacks (Like the one in San Bernadino-USA) in wich the attackers claim to have a relationship with groups like IS (or the government links those individuals with terrorist groups-for their own reasons) should be seen as an act of (for instance) IS ? 

The attacks in France and Belgium in 2015/2016 were by terrorist cells with clear IS links by people who had relations with IS in Syria. Since it is a religious duty for muslims to go to Mecca-Saudi Arabia for the hadj a lot of muslims can be linked with visiting Saudi Arabia. And that country is supporting groups like IS. 

Also-for western countries-foreign workers from the middle east making family visits in those countries (including Turkey) most of the time should not be linked with terrorism-but a small group proberbly could play a role in global terrorism (even without themselves knowing that they are used as a messenger-they bring presents for a distant family member from someone they know in the EU/US and that could be helping terrorists. 

In the refugee crisis if only 1% of the 2.000.000 refugees loking for asylum in the EU in 2015 you are talking of 20.000 persons. 

What I am trying to say isth at international travel has a dark side, just like the internet can be used for bad things. 

If on top of that western governments or other powerfull groups, or other governments, use terrorists for their goals, things are getting very complicated. 

The MH17 shoot down over Ukraine could be the action of the Kiev regime hoping that the west would be willing to take the story that pro-Russian separatists did it and giving the Kiev regime strong western support. But that scenario did not work very well-there are to many questions unanswered. 

False flag attacks opening doors for oppertunities that without those attacks would not be possible. (The 9-11 attacks started the "global war on terror" with the US attacking a country like Iraq wich had nothing to do with 9-11. I do not know if 9-11-2001 was a false flag or an attack the US knew that would be coming (and maybe unable to stop it in time). Saudi Arabia had a major role in 9-11 but was a western ally and main oil-supplier.)

When Japan attacked Pearl Harbour in december 1941 proberbly FDR and several other high ranking US government persons and some other high ranking officials in other countries knew that that attack would come. One can decide to let something bad happen to get closer to the solution of a problem, even if that means you pay a high price.  
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