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    Posted: March 11 2006 at 12:06pm

I have only seen this lightly touched on, so I thought we might start a thread on this. Apologies to any and all if this duplicates.

If we have a fairly massive die-off of wild birds, we can expect an explosion of all kinds of critters. Start thinking about which ones in your area and what you need to do.

We live fairly close to a river and a run-off, so mosquito's will be much worse. Flies will have a field day feeding on dead birds. Maggots, mice, river-rats. What else?

Have laid in fly-traps, mosquito repellant, ordering mosquito plants. Flea-collars for the cats, need mouse-traps. What else??

There is a man on TV selling a book on natural items for pest-control. Does anybody have it? Recommend??
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Never put a flea collar on a cat.  it's poison, releasing constantly.  Your Vet can give the cat a pill and that takes care of it. the fleas die right on the cat and fall off.
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I don't know if this is the right thread to post this, but here goes:
This morning I took down all nine of my bird houses. Thankfully, none had started their nests. I also empied  the large bird bath, filled it with top soil, and planted some tomato seedlings.
I haven't seen   anything on the threads about getting rid of bird houses, but it does seem like a smart thing to do.
My children think I have gone nuts over the BF, so I won't be telling them about my latest  prep.
I am really getting scared. I think it'll come in Sept.
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This is what I use for pest control with my 2 small dogs and in the yard to keep pests off.  I mix garlic pills and brewer's yeast with their meals every day, it is less expensive and IMO less toxic than all those flea collars or the drops.  My dogs do not suffer from ticks or flea infestations.  I also plant "Penny Royal"  around the edges of my backyard, the smell keeps the fleas at bay and other pests as well...and unfortunately this year we decided not to have bird houses, bird baths, etc, I love birds, but at this point in time I don't feel comfortable feeding them and having them around my dogs any more. 
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AnnieB. youare not nuts at all.I don't have birds houses, I have a birds nest lodged right by my air conditioner.You better belive I'm giving them the bums rush!
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Calendula, that's right my sister gives her cats garlic.  We don't have that problem due to the climate. 
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Has this been discussed? What should people do if they start finding dead birds in their yards?

I wouldn't know what to do. Yet, something should be done pretty quick, before the dead birds are taken away by cats and/or other animals.

Please comment.

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Concerning infestations, I heard on CNN that due to Katrina insects will be a problem soon.

Perhaps it was a coincidence but I was riding my bike today and the bugs were unusually bad, got hit by about twenty in ten minutes. Of course the weather I'm sure plays a part, it has been very warm here, 80* today. It should be 55*. We've been having strange weather, no winter at all. Very strange.

I'm certain insects will be a problem if the birds die off. Some can eat 5,000 a day.

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Originally posted by Mary Kay Mary Kay wrote:


Concerning infestations, I heard on CNN that due to Katrina insects will be a problem soon.

I'm certain insects will be a problem if the birds die off. Some can eat 5,000 a day.

Mary Kay

Good Ideas.   I will buy some misquito/tick/chigger sprays.  Plus maybe some citronella solutions. 

I already have gone to both doyourownpestcontrol.net and doityourselfpestcontrol.com and ordered various ANT solutions, since they are a problem around here.  Even with airttight and oxygen absorbers, there is a whole lot more food around here then there was and not all of it is can, etc.  

Mice/Rodent poison baits for the sheds and back spaces.  I also used Spoons solution of a  mesh bag with moth balls in the sheds.

 
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What about rabbits?

We have a very large lot right in town.  Most of the properties have mature pecan trees and oodles of large oak trees so there are tons of squirrels in the area.  We also have lots of birds and rabbits. 

Our cat is strictly indoors, but our dog (terrier) has a doggie door and loves to chase things in the yard.  She's never eaten a squirrel or bird, but she LOVES rabbits and will not drop one when she manages to catch one.  She eats them. 

I plan to check the yard on a daily basis for dead birds and other critters, but worry about the rabbits.  I wonder if they will carry the virus.  Springtime usually means oodles of baby rabbits that my dog will track down and chase. 

I picked up plenty of sticky traps for use in the house and shed if rodents become a problem and have plenty of insect spray, but aside from clearing and disposing of dead birds and animals, I don't know what else I can do to protect my dog from exposure.  Any ideas?
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oknut, while rabbits have not, to my knowledge, become infected by H5N1, the possibility exists that they will at some point. 

The infection of cats and martens (and reports of dogs) indicates that the H5N1 is developing an affinity for mammalian receptors. Not good news.  It is likely that many other (but probably not all) mammals could acquire the virus.

The good news is, rabbits are not carnivorous (with the exception of the rare Siberian Tri-color ) and therefore have fewer routes of infection than do cats, dogs, and other predators. They could, however, become infected from bird feces.

If H5N1 becomes endemic in your area, I'd seriously consider nailing the doggie door shut and keeping your dog on a leash. 

One other point.  If dogs and cats are perceived to be vectors of this disease at some point, then letting them run loose, even in your own yard, will likely draw the ire of your neighbors and possibly the attention of the authorities.  





 
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Good points

I guess we will have to deprive her of her freedom for the good of all.

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However would I deal with a dead bird? Any suggestions?

I'm trying to keep myself as informed as possible, and to prepare myself for various situations that might occur.

I have a rather large yard, with lots of huge old oak trees, inhabited by many squirrels. In months past, I have kept seeds in my bird feeders and  the bird bath filled with water.

As stated in an earlier post, I have gotten rid of all my bird houses and bird feeders, and emptied my bird bath.( Curiously, I have seen very few birds in my yard, as of this date.) I have always enjoyed the company of all these beautiful birds, indigenous to the southeast USA. 

There is one curious thing I noticed a few days ago, when I decided to get rid of the bird houses. I dreaded doing this, as I just knew that some of the bird houses would probably be showing evidence of nests.  I was very surprised to learn that they were all empty. Inasmuch as it has been unusually warm, and the birds are usually busy building nests by the first week in March, I was surprised.  I wonder if this means anything.
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Annie, if you find dead birds and suspect they died of BF, place a plastic bag over them so no feathers or dander can get airborne. Then, using a shovel, pick it up slowly and carefylully, and put the carcass in a larger plastci bag, which you tie off carefully, or if neccessary, tape it shut.

If this happens during a time-frame, when the authorities are not sure yet of the extent of BF and H2H, call them and have them pick up the carcass for lab testing.

Please, make sure you wear a mask, goggles and gloves.
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Calendula, I had totally forgotten about garlic/brewer's yeast and would like to start it right away. I have 13 cats. Can you give me an idea or formula how much of each to feed them? They have dry kibbles to munch on. They get one 13 oz and a 5.5 oz can of wet food for breakfast and two 13 oz can for dinner. Would appreciate any info on this. TIA
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Femvet, thank you. In all the many years I have lived here, I have only seen one dead bird, and I believe that it died as a result of a stray bb bullet from the young boy next door. I will follow your advice. Thank you very much.

I have been working in the back yard all morning and I haven't seen one bird yet. I find that rather strange. Even prior to putting up the bird houses, years ago, I still saw birds this time of the year.

Anyway, I am a bit paranoid these days, and it probably means nothing.

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          i had put this somewhere else on the forum, should go here........to keep mice and rats out of your home, as i have done and my friends also. use   100% PURE PEPPERMENT OIL........put on cotton balls and put all over your house, up and down, in and out, i did this and re did it four months later.......no MICE..mice and rats hate the smell and wont come near the stuff......100% PURE OIL, PEPPERMINT, not thew kind you use for cooking, this is a must....i am going to have lots on hand ....SUNSET
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Femvet:  I buy the garlic pills for my dogs and this is what I do; ---sorry I don't have cats ---so you will have to sort eye ball it.  My dogs are 12 and 20 pounds , I put one pill with their meals ( they only eat once a day) for every 10 pounds the dog weights. more or less, to that I also add 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon brewer's yeast.  I have been doing this procedure for years and my dogs are healthy and do not get fleas /ticks.  Please check to ensure cats are garlic friendly.  In humans and in dogs, the only thing that garlic can do is an upset stomach if too much is consumed, does not kill anyone.  I am not sure about cats since I have never own one ..unfortunately I am allergic to cat dander. 
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Calendula, thanks for the info. But more questions (sorry): do you crush the pills? with 13 cats it is not feasible to hand-feed a pill each. How do the pills differ from regular garlic powder? TIA
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Femvet:  Yes, I do crush the pills and mix it up with their meals, now do not laugh at me,but I cook for my dogs!  everyday!  I might not cook for my husband,!  I bake their beef, chicken, and mix it up with carbohydatres, some times rice, or wheat bread.  They have never eaten dry dog food or canned, I know I started a bad habit....  I am paying for it trust me!  How the pills differ from the garlic powder, well the pills are pure garlic, garlic powder it is my understanding it is mixed with some other things including sodium, I prefer the natural, or just pure garlic.  My preference though.
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