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Topic: climatechange out of control
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Subject: climatechange out of control
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 2:48am
http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/07/arctic-sea-ice-collapse-threatens.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/07/arctic-sea-ice-collapse-threatens.html

With still two months of melting to go before the sea ice can be expected to reach its minimum for 2015, the threat of sea ice collapse is ominous. The Arctic-News Blog has been warning for years about the growing chance of a collapse of the sea ice, in which case huge amounts of sunlight that previously were reflected back into space, as well as heat that previously went into melting the ice, will then instead have to be absorbed by the water, resulting in a dramatic rise of sea surface temperatures. 


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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 2:50am
See also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9PshoYtoxo&feature=youtu.be - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9PshoYtoxo&feature=youtu.be , https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U0y7Il5fqR_64jRCky1d-rT-IBV2TP57Gg8kXaZXnCw/edit - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U0y7Il5fqR_64jRCky1d-rT-IBV2TP57Gg8kXaZXnCw/edit , http://www.carolynbaker.net/tag/near-term-extinction/ - http://www.carolynbaker.net/tag/near-term-extinction/

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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 2:52am
From Dutchsins Facebook july 12:

A large blast from UNDERGROUND happened along the shores of Rhode Island.... the blast was reported to feel like an earthquake followed by a GAS explosion.

One woman tossed high into the air from the beach, and landed on nearby rocks.

This is obviously an underground methane explosion.

This event now marks two different methane "blasts" in the past few weeks. The first large methane event was along the shores of Lake Huron just North of Detroit Michigan.

Both areas where this methane has released reside on the Northeast portion of the North American Craton.

To have two areas blast or geyser off methane in a few weeks time, both in the Northeastern edge of the craton means we're seeing a beginning of the "methane event" that experts have warned about.

If things continue on this path, we shall see several unmistakeable methane blasts, geysers, and even large scale releases.

I have my suspicions on the true cause of the "wildfires" in North Canada and Alaska. I believe the "wildfires" are nothing more than versions of what we just saw on the beach in Rhode Island. Methane explosions which are leading to forest fires in the pine forests of North Canada and Alaska.

Post Glacial Rebound Effect (PGRE) is the culprit of these methane releases.

In perspective, scientists who are "worried" about large methane releases call it an ELE (extinction level event). I don't know if we're at the beginning of the full methane "event".. but if we start seeing more of these kinds of "explosions" and more events like the Geyser of Methane off Lake Huron... then we might want to take a harder look at the scientists claim about a Methane ELE.



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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 7:42am
http://guymcpherson.com/ - http://guymcpherson.com/ critics: https://fractalplanet.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/how-guy-mcpherson-gets-it-wrong/ - https://fractalplanet.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/how-guy-mcpherson-gets-it-wrong/ and http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Guy_McPherson - http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Guy_McPherson

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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 10:25am
Thanks, Dutch Josh!  That NL site is good since it shows the decline in Arctic sea ice thickness as well as extent. 

This is sobering news:

http://www.npr.org/2015/07/11/421995880/wildfires-in-canada-and-alaska-drive-thousands-from-homes - http://www.npr.org/2015/07/11/421995880/wildfires-in-canada-and-alaska-drive-thousands-from-homes


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CRS, DrPH


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 1:41pm

don't worry

relief is on the way ?


s a mini ICE AGE on the way? Scientists warn the sun will 'go to sleep' in 2030 and could cause temperatures to plummet



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3156594/Is-mini-ICE-AGE-way-Scientists-warn-sun-sleep-2020-cause-temperatures-plummet.html




Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 11:50pm
Thanks Satori and CRS, 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3156594/Is-mini-ICE-AGE-way-Scientists-warn-sun-sleep-2020-cause-temperatures-plummet.html - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3156594/Is-mini-ICE-AGE-way-Scientists-warn-sun-sleep-2020-cause-temperatures-plummet.html

The Earth could be headed for a 'mini ice age' researchers have warned.

A new study claims to have cracked predicting solar cycles - and says that between 2020 and 2030 solar cycles will cancel each other out.

This, they say, will lead to a phenomenon known as the 'Maunder minimum' - which has previously been known as a mini ice age when it hit between 1646 and 1715, even causing London's River Thames to freeze over




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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 12:10am
Solar activity could compensate somewhat for geological activity. The methane-release means heat can not escape enough into space. Decrease of ice and snow on the poles, Greenland, mountains (white surface is reflecting heat from the sun) and increase of sealevel (water picks up heat faster than land) might still get dramatic on the shorter term. 

A lot of heat from the sun is absorbed by the oceans and melting of ice and snow. There is a limit for that. De-freezing of the permafrost means more release from al kind of gasses (some even far worse than CO2, methane in heat-containment).

The "official scientific view"from the I.P.C.C. is not alarming but outdated (in my opinion). Increase in temperatures last decades was most dramatic at the poles/Greenland. 

Release of methane-gas-bubbles under the Arctic will cause (mini)tsunami's that may be unnoticed because the coast of the Arctic sea/ocean is almost without human activity but depend on monitoring by satelite and some oil/gas-explorers. An increase in sinkholes and some (ant)arctic earthquakes may be related to methane/gas-release (and/or global warming). 

I do believe that individual scientists (like Henry Niman, Dutchsinse etc) may be in the frontline of science but the outcome of their studies could be to dramatic (sometimes to raise funding ?) Still time will tell what the truth is, which view was more correct.


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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 12:39am
The Daily Fail article is currently being quoted all over the internet. They're a notoriously unreliable source of news, and tend to put their own spin on things. The Maunder Minimum most likely had less to do with the so called Little Ice Age than volcanic activity around that time. And any reduction in solar output would probably be more than compensated for by something they didn't have back then - a runaway warming trend of the kind we're currently experiencing.




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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 1:21am
Interesting video's from Guy McPherson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TmifJIbD6o - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TmifJIbD6o (with students making lots of noises) and Paul Beckwith %28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS6-fwKU4oE - (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS6-fwKU4oE why he is doing this from a boat ???)

It appears that there is a number of concerned scientists that are extremely worried. Even if they are not fully correct I think their warnings deserve attention.


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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 6:44am

never mindBig smile

Are we headed for a new ice age?


http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/06/17/are-we-headed-for-a-new-ice-age/#.VaURmOyoFIE




Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: July 22 2015 at 1:15am
http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/07/ocean-temperatures-at-record-high.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/07/ocean-temperatures-at-record-high.html

Ocean Temperatures At Record High

Of all the excess heat that results from people's emissions,  http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2013/08/four-hiroshima-bombs-second-how-we-imagine-climate-change.html - 93.4% goes into oceans . Accordingly, ocean heat has strongly increased over the years.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201506 - NOAA analysis  shows that, for the oceans on the Northern Hemisphere, the June 2015 sea surface temperature was at a record high 0.87°C (1.57°F) above the 20th century average of 16.4°C (61.5°F), as also illustrated by the graph below.
As the continued snow decline on Greenland also illustrates, high temperatures can be expected to keep causing further decline of the snow and ice cover for many weeks to come, given that the minimum sea ice extent is typically reached about half September.

As the image below shows, sea surface temperatures as high as 10.1°C (50.1°F) were recorded in Baffin Bay, off the west coast of Greenland, on July 20, 2015.
The danger is that these high temperatures will cause the Arctic sea ice to collapse and unleash huge methane eruptions from the Arctic Ocean's seafloor, in turn driving temperatures up even higher and causing more extreme weather events, wildfires, etc. 

The situation is dire and calls for comprehensive and effective action, as discussed at the  http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/p/plan.html - Climate Plan . 




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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: July 22 2015 at 1:25am
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/summary-info/national/201506 - http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/summary-info/national/201506

June 2015 was 2nd warmest for the contiguous US

Record warmth engulfed the West; drought worsened in the Northwest; and record precipitation fell in the Ohio Valley.

The  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=1&parameter=tavg&state=110&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - June contiguous U.S. average temperature  was 71.4°F, 2.9°F above the 20th century average, second only to June 1933 in the 121-year period of record. Record and near-record warmth stretched from the Rockies to West Coast. The  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=6&parameter=tavg&state=110&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - average contiguous U.S. temperature  for the first half of 2015 was 49.5°F, 1.9°F above the 20th century average, and the 10th warmest January-June on record.

The  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=1&parameter=pcp&state=110&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - June precipitation total  for the contiguous U.S. was 3.53 inches, 0.60 inch above average. This was the ninth wettest June on record, and marked the third consecutive month of above-average precipitation for the Lower 48. Above-average precipitation was observed in the Southwest, Southern Plains, Ohio Valley, and Northeast; the Northwest was dry.

This analysis of U.S. temperature and precipitation is based on data back to January 1895, resulting in 121 years of data.

June

Temperature

http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/us/2015/jun/grid/temp/tave-anom-201506.gif">June 2015 Temperature Departure from Average Map
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/us/2015/jun/grid/prcp/prcp-diff-201506.gif">June 2015 Percent of Normal Precipitation  
June 2015 Temperature Departure from Average (top) 
and Precipitation Departure from Average (bottom)
  • Above-average temperatures were widespread in the West and along the Southeast coast, where 16 states were much warmer than average.  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=1&parameter=tavg&state=4&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - California ,  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=1&parameter=tavg&state=10&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Idaho ,  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=1&parameter=tavg&state=35&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Oregon ,  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=1&parameter=tavg&state=42&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Utah , and http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=1&parameter=tavg&state=45&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Washington  were each record warm for June. Several western cities set  http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/us/2015/jun/jun2015dailyrecords.png - new all-time June temperature records  during an intense heatwave the second half of the month, including Boise, Idaho where the temperature soared to 110°F.
  • The Northeast and Great Lakes region had near- to below-average June temperatures. Above-average precipitation across the region was associated with suppressed daytime temperatures, while nighttime temperatures were near- to above average.
  • The  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=1&parameter=tavg&state=50&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Alaska  statewide average temperature for June was the sixth warmest in 91-years of record keeping at 52.4°F, 3.1°F above average. Homer, Alaska had its warmest June on record. Prolonged warmth and dryness and lack of June snow created ideal wildfire conditions with dozens of large wildfires impacting central and southern areas of the state during June.

Precipitation

  • Wetter than average conditions were widespread from the Southwest, in parts of the Great Plains, and across the Midwest and Northeast — 15 states were much wetter than average. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=1&parameter=pcp&state=11&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Illinois ,  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=1&parameter=pcp&state=12&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Indiana , and  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=1&parameter=pcp&state=33&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Ohio  were each record wet during June with monthly precipitation totals more than twice the 20th century average.
  • Below-average precipitation was observed in the Northwest, where drought conditions worsened due to both record warmth and lack of precipitation.  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=1&parameter=pcp&state=35&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Oregon  had its ninth driest June, while  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=1&parameter=pcp&state=45&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Washington  had its third driest.
  • According to the June 30  http://www.drought.gov/drought/ - U.S. Drought Monitor report , 25.9 percent of the contiguous U.S. was in drought, up from 24.6 percent at the beginning of June. Drought conditions improved across the Southwest, Upper Midwest, and the Northeast, but worsened in the Northwest and Southeast. Drought conditions remain dire across California, with 46.7 percent of the state experiencing the worst category of drought (D4, exceptional).

U.S. climate highlights: Year-to-date (January-June)

Temperature

http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/us/2015/jun/grid/temp/tave-anom-201501-201506.gif">January-June 2015 Temperature Departure from Average Map
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/us/2015/jun/grid/prcp/prcp-diff-201501-201506.gif">January-June 2015 Percent of Normal Precipitation  
Jan-Jun 2015 Temperature Departure from Average (top) 
and Precipitation Departure from Average (bottom)
  • Above-average January-June temperatures were observed from the Great Plains to the West Coast, as well as in  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=ytd&parameter=tavg&state=8&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Florida .  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=ytd&parameter=tavg&state=4&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - California ,  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=ytd&parameter=tavg&state=26&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Nevada , http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=ytd&parameter=tavg&state=35&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Oregon , and  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=ytd&parameter=tavg&state=45&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Washington  each had their warmest year-to-date on record. Eight additional states were much warmer than average, including  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=6&parameter=tavg&state=50&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Alaska  which had its second warmest January-June in the 91-year period of record with a temperature 5.1°F above average. The  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=ytd&parameter=tavg&state=4&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - California  year-to-date temperature was 58.5°F, 5.2°F above average, and 0.5°F warmer than the previous record set just last year.
  • Below-average year-to-date temperatures were observed across the Midwest and Northeast, where  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=ytd&parameter=tavg&state=17&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Maine ,  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=ytd&parameter=tavg&state=30&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - New York , and  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=ytd&parameter=tavg&state=43&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Vermont  were each much cooler than average. No state was record cold for the six-month period.

Precipitation

  • The  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=ytd&parameter=pcp&state=110&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - year-to-date contiguous U.S. precipitation total  was 16.53 inches, 1.22 inches above the 20th century average, the 19th wettest January-June on record and wettest since 1998.
  • Above-average precipitation was observed across the Great Plains, Southern Rockies, and Midwest where four states were much wetter than average.  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=ytd&parameter=pcp&state=41&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Texas  had its wettest year-to-date on record with 24.04 inches, 10.70 inches above average. Below-average precipitation was observed across the West, Southeast, and Northeast.  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=ytd&parameter=pcp&state=4&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - California  had its fifth driest start to the year, while  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/climatological-rankings/index.php?periods%5b%5d=ytd&parameter=pcp&state=35&div=0&month=6&year=2015#ranks-form - Oregon  had its ninth driest.

Extremes

  • The  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/cei/ - U.S. Climate Extremes Index (USCEI)  for the year-to-date was 45 percent above average and the 13th highest value on record. On the national-scale, extremes in warm maximum and minimum temperatures and days with precipitation were much above average. The USCEI is an index that tracks extremes (falling in the upper or lower 10 percent of the record) in temperature, precipitation and drought across the contiguous United States.

For extended analysis of regional temperature and precipitation patterns, as well as extreme events, please see our  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/2015/6 - full report  that will be released on July 13th.



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: July 22 2015 at 1:37am
Temperatures in the Arctic are alarming ! The melt of landice still is increasing (Arctic, Himalaya) what results in rise of sealevel and landmass (less pressure from the ice and snow). This new distribution of pressure results in seismic activity. (But also more methane gas and other greenhouse gasses are being released). 

Climatechange offers oppertunities http://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/june/50states-renewable-energy-060815.html - http://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/june/50states-renewable-energy-060815.html and solar decreased activity may have their effects but if those effects will come in time is a big question.


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: July 31 2015 at 9:55pm
http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/07/arctic-sea-ice-collapse-threatens-update-2.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/07/arctic-sea-ice-collapse-threatens-update-2.html

Due to warm ocean waters and to heatwaves on land that extended over the Arctic Ocean, while warming up rivers ending into the Arctic Ocean, the sea ice has taken a battering over the past few weeks, as illustrated by the images below. 

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Above image shows the last bit of thick (5 m) sea ice in the Canadian Archipelago, which became dislodged on July 8, 2015. It looks set to be virtually gone by August 7, 2015, according to the 30-day Naval Research Laboratory animation below, and as also discussed in greater detail in a  http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2015/07/thick-sea-ice-dislodged.html - recent post .

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The situation at the north-eastern tip of Greenland doesn't look much better, as illustrated by the image below.

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The comparison image below also shows the north-eastern tip of Greenland on July 5, 2015 (top), and on July 31, 2015 (bottom). The bottom image shows water in many places, pushing the last pieces of thick ice into the Wandel Sea and Fram Strait .

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[ click on image to enlarge ]
The thicker multi-year sea ice used to survive the melting season, giving the sea ice strength for the next year. Without multi-year sea ice, the Arctic will be in a bad shape in coming years.

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So, will the sea ice collapse this year? Consider the following three points:
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[ PIOMAS - click on image to enlarge ]
  1. Volume - The image on the right shows sea ice volume as calculated by  http://psc.apl.uw.edu/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/ - PIOMAS  at the University of Washington. The image shows that in June, volume was less than 2015 in only four years, i.e. 2010 through to 2013. However, the situation has deteriorated much in July 2015.
     
  2. Thickness - Volume is calculated by looking at both thickness and extent. Thickness is looking much worse than it did in the years 2012 through to 2014, as illustrated by above image. In my experience, sea ice thickness now hasn't looked as bad for the time of the year since records began, especially when taking the loss of multi-year ice into account, as also illustrated by above image.
     
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    [ NSIDC - click on image to enlarge ]
  4. Extent - Sea ice extent around this time of year was worse only in about four years, i.e. in 2007, 2010, 2011 and 2012, as illustrated by the NSIDC image on the right. The image on the right shows the situation on July 30, 2015, when extent was about the same as it was by that time in 2013. However, extent didn't fall much from then on in 2013, while 2015 features very high sea surface temperatures and an El Niño that is still gaining in strength. In other words, sea ice extent looks likely to take a battering over the next few weeks.
With that in mind, let's take a look at the image below.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-k1elKu8o6L4/VbuHTm2n0-I/AAAAAAAARAI/1bdv-cOYHoI/s1600/Sea-Ice-Volume.png">

Above image shows a trendline (shaded area) based on satellite data from 1979-2014, with annual minimum volume figures calculated by  http://psc.apl.uw.edu/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/ - PIOMAS . The shaded area points at a total disappearance of the sea ice as early as September 2018. The width of the shaded area reflects natural variability, but natural variability could be wider than that, as illustrated by the fact that minimum volume in the years 2007, 2010, 2011 and 2012 was lower than the shaded area. In other words, disappearance of the sea ice could occur even earlier than September 2018 and if things get really bad, collapse could even occur as early as September this year.

The situation is dire and calls for comprehensive and effective action, as discussed at the  http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/p/plan.html - Climate Plan


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: August 08 2015 at 10:14pm
There has been a 4.6 quake north of Siberia (were the American and Eur-Asian plates meet) http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us100030gr#general_summary - http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us100030gr#general_summary . This is not the first quake in the Arctic and is related to melting of permafrost and methane-release. http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2013/09/earthquake-hits-laptev-sea.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2013/09/earthquake-hits-laptev-sea.html

The idea that sun-activity might explain global warming/climate change again is thought to be incorrect http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm - http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm and http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/solact.html - http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/solact.html  and http://astronomynow.com/2015/08/08/corrected-sunspot-history-suggests-climate-change-not-due-to-natural-solar-trends/ - http://astronomynow.com/2015/08/08/corrected-sunspot-history-suggests-climate-change-not-due-to-natural-solar-trends/


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: August 22 2015 at 4:09am
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/geoengineered-forest-fire-incineration-dark-ice-and-methane-extinction/?inf_contact_key=4be13289698efef52be8be7cf55d24835d0c2bbcbe76401985615e2c7f63255e - http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/geoengineered-forest-fire-incineration-dark-ice-and-methane-extinction/?inf_contact_key=4be13289698efef52be8be7cf55d24835d0c2bbcbe76401985615e2c7f63255e




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Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: August 22 2015 at 12:13pm


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: August 23 2015 at 1:53am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JmrmwIyhAE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JmrmwIyhAE

Gepubliceerd op 30 okt. 2013

A two part documentary presented by Sir David Attenborough - The Truth About Climate Change. Like us https://www.facebook.com/CarbonControl - https://www.facebook.com/CarbonControl  Follow us  https://twitter.com/CarbonControl - https://twitter.com/CarbonControl

Some extraordinary phenomena have taken place in recent times; Hurricane Katrina, the heat wave of 2003, polar bears swimming in search of ice and vast swarms of insects enveloping an African village. But are these isolated incidents or are they omens of a greater global change?

Sir David discovers that the world is warming at an unprecedented rate, and finds out why this is now far beyond any normal allowance for cyclical fluctuation. But are humans to blame? These changes are already in motion whatever we do now, but Sir David believes that we may be able to act to prevent a catastrophe. People around the world are having to adapt their way of life as the climate changes; the Inuit in the Arctic whose hunting is now limited, the Pacific island inhabitants forced to move as their homes disappear beneath the waves, and the Siberian homes slowly sinking into the permafrost. Sir David investigates some of the possible scenarios for the future, including rising sea-levels, insect plagues and an increase in diseases.



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 9:59pm
http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/09/as-2015-smashes-temperature-records-its-hotter-than-you-think.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/09/as-2015-smashes-temperature-records-its-hotter-than-you-think.html and https://www.facebook.com/AlamoProject - https://www.facebook.com/AlamoProject

There is an El Niño in full swing which helps push average global temperatures higher, and records are being broken, but just how hot is it? For several years, we have heard that global warming has pushed temperatures higher by around 0.8 to 0.85 degrees Celsius (°C).

But in 2015, that number is not even close.

Even before this year's strong El Niño developed, 2015 was a hot year. The first few months of the year broken records for the hottest corresponding period in previous years all the way back to the start of the instrumental record in 1880. Each month, new records fell.


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Posted By: Johnray1
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 10:42pm
Dutch Josh and all, I believe that Global Warming is real. But it is not caused by us humans. The Earth has always went through periods of Ice Ages and warming. The Archaeological records Prove that. Most of the Dinosaur Skeletons being found in this county are being found in North Dakota,Montana, and Canada. These are certainly not Tropical regions at this time,but this also proves that they once were Tropical in the Earths history. They may be again some day. But humans are NOT causing this   change.

It is Natural changes that have occurred on Earth for many eons. All of our Earth records prove that.

So us humans can either adapt to these changes or die off like so many species in the past have.We are better prepared today to adapt to these changes than at any other time in history. We can either adapt or kill each other off in wars for resources that is not necessary and closing industry which will cause wars of survival.The Earth has always went through these changes and we cannot cause them and we can not change them.

The search for the NORTHWEST Passage is one example. Sailors from many countries have died looking for the Northwest Passage because at some time in our Earths history it did exist,but it has not for hundreds of years because it has been frozen. Many thousands of sailors have died looking for this passage because it was handed down through word of mouth that it did exist at one time. It is starting to open again today. Some ships have made it through the passage that has been frozen for thousands of years,but it thawing again now.

We must adapt to the Global warming and not fight it. All of those who intend to do battle with the Earths natural changes will die. Those who chose to adapt and change with the Earths changes will live.Johnray1

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 05 2015 at 11:47pm
Johnray1, I agree with you that there are natural changes in (local and global) climate. Continents have moved over millions of years from tropical regions to colder areas (or the other way round). Maybe poles have moved, the Earth-axis. Sun may have had some influence and the atmosphere did change over time.

However...the speed in wich climate changes the last decades is new in earths history. The only explanation 97% of science seem to find is that that is caused by us humans. 

It is good to discuss this, can humans have such an effect? But for what I understand humans have a role to play.


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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 3:18am
Both positions are right in my mind, the only question we could debate here is how much on each side?  The carboniferous period (when all the carbon we are releasing was laid down - also by living things like we are) was tropically warm almost everywhere.  This was a period without ice ages.  Let the carbon out and we return to that.  There are other cycles too which we could have no effect on, like solar cycles for example.

BUT THIS IS THE WRONG QUESTION.  

Whether or not we are to blame, we will not stop and neither will the natural cycles.  So stop arguing about how to stop it (both impossible and pointless) and start planning how to cope with it (both possible and vital).


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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 5:49am


Meteorologists say four tropical storms all raging at the same time, are a first

https://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2015/09/04/meteorologists-say-four-tropical-storms-raging-all-at-the-same-time-are-a-first/




Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 6:43am
Technophobe, when people like http://guymcpherson.com/forum/index.php?topic=3195.165 - http://guymcpherson.com/forum/index.php?topic=3195.165 are correct there is no way to "cope" with the climate change the coming decades. When you look at http://severe.worldweather.org/ - http://severe.worldweather.org/ and you see SEVEN tropical depressions/storms at the same time there is already a big problem. 

More warmth means more energy wich translates in stronger storms. Further temperature rise does not only mean more heatwaves but also more extreme dry or wet periods, more extreme stronger storms. 

If we would "cope" with more warmth by using more solar and windpower that might (on the short term) reduce the need for fossil fuels. 

I hope Guy McPherson(and a growing group of scientist) is wrong. That there is no rapid escalation due to global warming. But I do not see much evidence for that. 

I am not a scientist. What I understand from the IPCC on what to expect; the extreme weather, could be on our doorstep (and not in the year 2100 or so). Land ice is melting full speed, higher sea levels translating in more flooding. 

Before our planet gets to hot for foodproduction there will be a "climate-crisis"; already wars in the Middle East are partialy "water-wars". Water crisis you might expect soon in Asia with melting of glacier-ice in the Himalayas. (Leaving India, China etc. without enough drinking water). Rising sealevel and Bangla Desh do not mix. 


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Posted By: OriginalHappyCamper
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 6:59am
Continents have moved over millions of years 

The above statement is a theory with flawed assumptions.

I would ask that the readers of this blog look at the below opposing view and reply on this link as to the
 validity of the age of the earth as put forth by Scientists.

Watch the whole video. Yes it is the creationists view, with little Bible references mostly common sense.

IN order to understand a theory we all need to look at both sides, then choose a view to follow.

The speaker has his doctors degree in zoology and  has been the professor that other folks received their doctors degree under.


Start at video 101   http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/c/10/Genesis_Conflict_-_English/ - http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/c/10/Genesis_Conflict_-_English/




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Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 11:34am
It's a-coming, and as Techno pointed out, we're too full of ourselves to make the changes we need to reverse things, so we'd better start adapting while we can.
Personally, I think widespread famine is in our near future as populations reach unsustainable levels and food production takes a hit. About the time climate change starts affecting the delicate balance that determines the locations of the bread baskets and rice bowls of the world, the oceans are expected to be fished practically clean of food fish (2048 at current estimates), and we'll reach somewhere between nine and eleven billion - a population that the UN believes will require 70% more food than we can chemically force from the land now.
The next few decades are going to be interesting - in the Chinese proverb way. Not good....




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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 2:51pm
It all comes down to simple physics, just writ large.

Put a pan on the stove to heat and put one drop of food coloring, gravy browning or any other pigment in one spot.  So you can see what is happening.  As it heats up, the water moves faster and faster.

As the world heats up both the seas and the winds (like any other fluid) do the same.  This brings tropical storms, thunderstorms, hurricanes, tornadoes and an overall climate-pattern change.  Sea levels rise as well.  Isostatic readjustment increases geological stresses too.

So building damage, flooding, drought, crop failure, earthquakes, volcanism and resultant famine/diaspora.

And all of the above writ very large.

Each one of the above could be mitigated far better with forward planning.

Building damage - better design
Flooding - more levees, polders and buildings on stilts (polders are far easier to build now, before sea level rise)
Drought - better collection, transport and storage
Crop failure - stores, greater variety, gm and more appropriate strains/species to the new local weather
earthquakes - more reinforced concrete/careful modern civil engineering
volcanism - move away!
Famine - birth control BEFORE THE PROBLEMS WORSTEN




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Posted By: Johnray1
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 3:25pm
Dutch Josh,it is not happening to fast.Remember the fresh Lilly s that were found in the Mammoth in the Siberia Tundra. Also remember that massive amount of mastodons that are still frozen along the Yukon River. They frozen so quickly and so fast and so recently that you can still smell them rotting in the summer time if you float the Yukon River.

If the Gulf Stream is suddenly cut off,the freeze can happen in days and maybe hours. The experiments done by scientist said that the Gulf stream can be shut off by too much fresh water interring the ocean and that is what is happening now.They said that the shut off of the Gulf stream was so fast that it really surprised them.Johnray1



Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 2:59am
Johnray1, I remember the stories of animals "suddenly" being frozen (as if they were caught up in a freezing blizzard, very sudden change). The melting of landice in/on Greenland already is weakening the Gulfstream. That might mean less extreme weather, on the short term, for Western Europe.

OriginalHappyCamper; 97% of scientist can be wrong, sometimes a more dissident view might turn out to be more correct. The 97% of scientist seem to agree that humans are effecting the climate. To what level they disagree about. 

jacksdad, I remember seeing a "model" on ZeroHedge on economics collapse. First step proberbly would be an increase in births, followed by a sharp rise of mortality. The timeframe in wich the climate-crisis would unfold is put by scientists between 2030 and 2100. Also the effects differ a lot, Guy Mc Pherson (and some others) seem to give up all hope (CH4=methane is making things that bad that there is no way of stopping things http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/09/arctic-sea-ice-collapse-threatens-update-8.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/09/arctic-sea-ice-collapse-threatens-update-8.html and http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/09/methane-monster-2-demise-of-the-arctic.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/09/methane-monster-2-demise-of-the-arctic.html . On the other hand there is the IPCC http://www.ipcc.ch/ - http://www.ipcc.ch/ . The problem I have with the IPCC is that there data is outdated and their conclusions are a compromise. They are way behind reality. 


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 18 2015 at 4:31am
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-17/decades-long-megadrought-looms-entire-us-lake-powell-runs-dry-nasa-warns - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-17/decades-long-megadrought-looms-entire-us-lake-powell-runs-dry-nasa-warns

With the number of people living in the U.S. Southwest and Central Plains, and the volume of water they need, having increased rapidly over recent decades - and, with NASA scientists expecting these trends to continue for years to come - the current severe drought combined with thetapping of the Lake Powell's water at what many consider to be an unsustainable level, has reduced its levels to only about 42% of its capacity.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/09/20150916_powell1.jpg">

 

Forecasting that there is an 80 percent chance of an extended drought in the area between 2050 and 2099 unless aggressive steps are taken to mitigate the impacts of climate change, the researchers said their results point to a challenging - and remarkably drier - future.

http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL1N11L10P20150917?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true - As Reuters reports,  scientists from NASA and Cornell and Columbia universities warned earlier this year that the U.S. Southwest and Central Plains regions are likely to be scorched by a decades-long "megadrought" during the second half of this century if climate change continues unabated.


See also http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/summary-info/global/201508 - http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/summary-info/global/201508  



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Posted By: DeepThinker
Date Posted: September 30 2015 at 10:54am
A question for all you global warming alarmists...

How did the Vikings thrive?   And also maybe more important... how come most of the evidence of their civilization is now covered by permafrost?


Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: October 01 2015 at 1:23pm
You do understand that nobody's denying that our climate changes over time, right? It's the rate of change that we're seeing now that should make everyone alarmed.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/29/carney-warns-of-risks-from-climate-change-tragedy-of-the-horizon - http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/29/carney-warns-of-risks-from-climate-change-tragedy-of-the-horizon




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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: October 01 2015 at 11:02pm
@Deep Thinker, do you have a source for your question. I do notknow of any viking-findings in perma-frost. But there are a lot of "OOPS" Out Of Place objectS that can put questionmarkson wath is accepted as science. Science in my view is always a developing story. 

With hurricane Joaquin http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/053314.shtml?5-daynl#contents - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/053314.shtml?5-daynl#contents moving along the east of Canada this story http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/10/cyclones-continue-to-hit-northern-hemisphere.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/10/cyclones-continue-to-hit-northern-hemisphere.html becomes more relevant.


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Posted By: DeepThinker
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 12:06am
DutchJosh permafrost might have been an exaggeration (I need to do some research).   But the point I was trying to make is that the vikings lived mostly north of the Arctic Circle or very close to it... and their civilizations thrived during very temperate climate.  The viking civilization would never had a chance to develop if it had to deal with a modern climate... it is WAY to cold.

As a matter of fact our climate has been warmer through most of last 10,000 years than it is today.   Historically speaking we are actually in a cold spell climate wise.


Posted By: DeepThinker
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 12:17am
This my take on climate change...

I know climate change happens.   However I am skeptical of CO2 involvement in it.   Even if CO2 causes warming nature produces WAY more CO2 than we do.

However I am very concerned by "alarmists".    I think they are dangerous to to our prosperity, economy, and general way of life.  Even if global warming is real, I don't think it is worth destroying our way of life for a slightly cooler planet.

Also I am not convinced that a warmer world with more co2 would be a bad thing.  Such a  world would be much more productive.  Imagine all the prime real estate in Siberia!


Posted By: DeepThinker
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 1:33am
80% chance of a drought 35 years from now??? How can you take that crap serriously?


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 1:35am
Deep Thinker, alarmists should have a better plan. I am in favor of more durable energy. Fossil fuels are causing to much problems. It would be good for most economies if they could do a lot more with less energy. The US and EU should not be dependent off oil and gas from Russia or the middle east. 

The reason why vikings swarmed out of Scandinavia proberbly had to do with to much population for what their own economy could produce. For your information, most of Scandinavia is south of the arctic circle. Their economy 'improved" by trade and robbery more southward (even Nort Africa Russia comes from Rossia which proberbly had to do with the red hair of the vikings. There are still a lot of questions about how their economy worked)


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 1:49am
Deep Thinker, renewable energy is the future

http://www.iea.org/newsroomandevents/pressreleases/2015/october/renewables-to-lead-world-power-market-growth-to-2020.html - http://www.iea.org/newsroomandevents/pressreleases/2015/october/renewables-to-lead-world-power-market-growth-to-2020.html


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Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 4:09am
Increasing the amount of atmospheric CO2 from 280 ppm to 400 ppm in a couple of centuries with no expectation of change is the corporate line put out by the main culprits and their hired lackeys at Fox News, the Heartland Institute, et al. How can you honestly take that seriously, especially when following the money always leads us right back to the people causing the problem in the first place?
It's simple cause and effect - the sun drives our weather and climate with the meager amount of solar radiation we receive (and manage to hang on to) 93 million miles out. Substantially change the atmosphere that's responsible for capturing that heat, and commonsense dictates that the climate will change. And we know that methane is a far more effective greenhouse gas than CO2, and your new real estate in Siberia is hanging on to massive reserves in it's permafrost. But not for long.
It's not alarmist to worry about a climate changing far faster than we've ever witnessed before - it's choosing not to put your head in a nice, cozy hole in the sand and letting future generations figure out the mess we've handed them. When the governor of the Bank of England - one of the most conservative financial institutions in the world - is quoted as saying that "... the challenges currently posed by climate change pale in significance compared with what might come", it behooves us to pay attention. These guys are not given to "alarmist" views without very good reason.



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Posted By: DeepThinker
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 8:49am
I am sorry to derail your guys tread :)   I do enjoy the articles posted here.  While I am skeptical, I am open minded and like to learn.

I hope I don't offend anyone but I want to see how well you guys understand the science behind climate.   So let me ask a quetion...

In the real world what green house gas has the most profound effect on our environment?  (Just a clue it isn't CO2 and it is not CH4)


I think fossil fuels are finite.  I personally think we still have a huge untapped supply but the supply at some point is limited.  Of course we need to find different fuels.    The main reason for me is pollution.   Pollution kills people, and all we are worried about is CO2.  I feel that alarmists confuse people when they talk about pollution and green house gases interchangeably   THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.  One is demonstrably always bad.   The other is much more complex.

I know I am going to get flamed but I want to say it anyways....    The only way with current technology to produce economically viable zero emission fuel is with nuclear.   We can even use Thorium.   It is MUCH safer than more traditional ways.   The only problem is it isn't dual use, you can't make bombs out of it so TPTB don't like it.

MTA: why would you get climate advice from a banker?  


Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 10:42am
Actually, on the subject of Thorium, we're solidly on the same page. Liquid Thorium salt reactors show fantastic potential without the problems of dealing with massive amounts of radioactive waste, they're inherently safe, and the US has huge natural reserves. The problem is that decades old legislation labels Thorium as toxic, so any that is found has to be properly "disposed" of. It's often found with rare earth minerals too, and they have to be disposed of because of the perceived Thorium contamination. That leaves China with a stranglehold on rare earth minerals, and consequently the markets they supply. As you mentioned, the biggest hurdle that proponents of Thorium have to get over is also one of it's advantages - it doesn't supply the raw materials for nuclear weapons production. In the eyes of the military, that's a huge deal breaker.
There are many, many greenhouse gases, of which CFCs are probably considered the most potent. You have to look at the ones that pose the most immediate threat, and CO2 and methane have the greatest potential to cause problems given that we apparently have no will as yet to curtail their release. Permafrost melting also raises the specter of even greater release of both.
Don't worry - you haven't derailed anything. We welcome debate. There's been a similar thread on this topic that has run on AFT for years and never reached consensus. It'd be boring if it did.



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Posted By: DeepThinker
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 9:39am

Miranda Devine: Perth electrical engineer’s discovery will change climate change debate

“Yes, CO2 has an effect, but it’s about a fifth or tenth of what the IPCC says it is. CO2 is not driving the climate; it caused less than 20 per cent of the global warming in the last few decades”

http://www.ntnews.com.au/lifestyle/miranda-devine-perth-electrical-engineers-discovery-will-change-climate-change-debate/story-fnk0b1ks-1227555674611 - http://www.ntnews.com.au/lifestyle/miranda-devine-perth-electrical-engineers-discovery-will-change-climate-change-debate/story-fnk0b1ks-1227555674611


Here is a high level mathematician saying the same things I am saying.  
Within the human caused climate change crowd...  you need to be very careful who you listen to.   There is VERY strong confirmation bias.   If you don't support the theory on global warming you loose funding.   Nobody will pay for a study that says everything is fine.   If you have a study suggesting the world will soon end, people will fund it!  My suggestion for understanding this subject... listen to as many extremely smart people talk about it that are not corrupted by the IPCC.



Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 3:49pm

A Torrent of Errors in David Evans Case Against Global Warming


http://debunkingdenialism.com/2012/06/23/a-torrent-of-errors-in-david-evans-case-against-global-warming/


I was a LONG time climate change denier myself
what changed my mind
wasn't the political pundits or pseudo-scientists

I bought a college level chemistry text book
and read up on the carbon cycle
the minute I finished my study
I said "oh sh_t we're screwed"


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 5:39pm




http://www.skepticalscience.com/david-evans-understanding-goes-cold.html - http://www.skepticalscience.com/davi...goes-cold.html


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 12:54am
The US is always the bad guy but I bet China puts out 100 times more co2 than the US. Someone have the stats on China?


Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 2:17am
His wife has a climate skeptic blog that he regularly contributes to; despite all those degrees, he still has no formal training in any climate related discipline; and the article was written by syndicated conservative radio host (and vocal climate change denier), Miranda Devine. There is more than enough bias just in that little group there for me to be extremely dubious about their motivations, and consequently the validity of the argument being presented. Now that's a perfect example of being careful who you listen to.


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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 6:37am
same topic being discussed over at Peak Oil

http://peakoil.com/forums/new-model-refutes-man-caused-climate-change-t71888.html

I think it is safe to say Evans has been thoroughly debunked


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: October 11 2015 at 12:03pm
http://www.todayszaman.com/world_ocean-heat-wave-harm-worlds-coral-reefs-this-year_400986.html - http://www.todayszaman.com/world_ocean-heat-wave-harm-worlds-coral-reefs-this-year_400986.html

coral reefs are suffering a severe underwater heat wave this year for the third time on record, including a mysterious warm patch in the Pacific known as "The Blob," scientists said on Thursday.

The bout of record high temperatures in parts of the oceans, stoked by climate change, is expected to kill more than 12,000 square kilometers (4,600 ) of reefs, or about five percent of the global total, they said. The experts, including the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), said similar alerts about damage to reefs had been issued only in 2010 and 1998, both extremely warm years. Corals, tiny creatures which build stony skeletons, eject the colorful algae they live with when under stress. That bleaches the reefs -- some corals can bounce back when temperatures fall but many die from long-lasting whitening. Corals are nurseries for many species of fish and provide livelihoods for millions of people. "This is the third time we've had a global bleaching event," Mark Eakin, coordinator at NOAA's Coral Reef Watch, told Reuters, saying experts would have spotted such wide damage to reefs even decades ago when monitoring was less thorough. "2015 has now seen coral bleaching occurring in reefs in the northern Pacific, Indian, equatorial Pacific, and western Atlantic Oceans," the alert said.



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Posted By: DeepThinker
Date Posted: October 15 2015 at 10:29am
Look another extremely smart person that agrees with me...

'To any unprejudiced person reading this account, the facts should be obvious: that the non-climatic effects of carbon dioxide as a sustainer of wildlife and crop plants are enormously beneficial, that the possibly harmful climatic effects of carbon dioxide have been greatly exaggerated, and that the benefits clearly outweigh the possible damage.

I consider myself an unprejudiced person and to me these facts are obvious. But the same facts are not obvious to the majority of scientists and politicians who consider carbon dioxide to be evil and dangerous. The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.....'

'Sometimes, as in the use of bleeding as a treatment for various diseases, irrational belief did harm to a large number of human victims. George Washington was one of the victims. Other irrational beliefs, such as the phlogiston theory of burning or the Aristotelian cosmology of circular celestial motions, only did harm by delaying the careful examination of nature. In all these cases, we see a community of people happily united in a false belief that brought leaders and followers together. Anyone who questioned the prevailing belief would upset the peace of the community.'

  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/13/top-physicist-freeman-dyson-obama-picked-wrong-side-climate-change/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social - http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/13/top-physicist-freeman-dyson-obama-picked-wrong-side-climate-change/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Scientific consensuses does not equal scientific fact.
Is he also so easily debunked?


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 15 2015 at 11:05am
and yet we continue to set one high temp record after another after another after another




Déjà Vu Again: Hot September Drives 2015 To Hottest Year On Record

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/10/13/3711603/deja-vu-hottest-year/ - http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...-hottest-year/

and the glaciers continue to retreat mile after mile

and now the thermohaline currents are starting to slow because of so much fresh water intrusion


Posted By: DeepThinker
Date Posted: October 15 2015 at 1:22pm
Satori... How come when ever they come out with revisions to the climate data, it is always too show cooler temps in the past and hotter temps in the present?

Any honest rational person realizes that we have NO WAY to accurate measure the warmth of the earth.   We have surfaces temps that most happen around developed areas, and we have sea surface temps.  However both of those have very little to do with climate... much more connected to weather and seasonal changes.  Can we actually measure the total heat in the entire atmosphere or the oceans?

If anyone has ever studied the economy and/or statistics you will very easily see how numbers and statistics can be massaged to create what ever outcome they want.  Whenever I look at the climate data... these sorts of manipulations of the data jump out at me BIG time.   There is way to much money to prove that global warming is real... there is no money in the research community to prove that the earth is going to be fine.  Who will pay for a study saying everything is okay?




Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 15 2015 at 1:45pm
simple question

most of the worlds glaciers are

A.staying the same
B.increasing in size
C. melting

True or False
The thermohaline currents are
A.staying the same
B.increasing in speed
C.decreasing in speed


Posted By: DeepThinker
Date Posted: October 15 2015 at 1:56pm
"most of the worlds glaciers"   This is something that is very difficult to evaluate.   Much of it has to do with regional weather.

I have a counter question for you...   If we take there data at face value, this shrinking in glaciers started WELL before we started to significantly add CO2 to the atmosphere.    What made the glaciers melt 200-300 years ago?

As to the thermohaline currents  I have to be honest that I don't know enough at the moment to make an informed comment.   Thank you for a new topic of study for me!


Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: October 16 2015 at 5:44pm
Satori's correct. There has been significant glacial melt in the last century or so. I did post a bunch of before and after pics of glaciers in another thread. I'll post a link when I get home rather than reposting the pictures.
Here's one for you - if it's impossible to ascertain the mean global temperature, what evidence are climate change deniers using when they (wrongly) claim that there's been a hiatus in warming for the last decade and a half?

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: October 23 2015 at 7:09am
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/tropical-threat-heightens-risk/53016886 - http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/tropical-threat-heightens-risk/53016886

Patricia Eyes Mexico With Catastrophic Force as Strongest Hurricane on Record

Patricia, a Category 5 hurricane with maximum sustained winds of 200 mph, will bring catastrophic wind and storm surge damage to southwestern Mexico later Friday into Friday night.

According to  http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/stormblog/category-5-hurricane-patricia-strongest-storm-on-record-in-eastern-pacific/53148530 - AccuWeather Meteorologist Becky Elliott , "Patricia rapidly intensified from a Category 1 hurricane with winds of 85 mph early Thursday to a 200-mph Category 5 hurricane 24 hours later." The central pressure of the storm dropped 100 mb during this time.

To put in perspective, a 'weather bomb' in the mid-latitudes is classified as a pressure drop of 24 mb in a 24-hour period.

Patricia became the strongest hurricane on record Friday morning. The estimated central pressure of Patricia dropped to 880 mb, breaking the record of 894 mb from Hurricane Linda in the eastern Pacific set in 1997 and also surpassing the 882 mb pressure of Hurricane Wilma in the Atlantic from 2005. The maximum sustained winds of 200 mph (160 knots) breaks the previous wind speed record from Linda and Wilma (185 mph) for the strongest surface winds ever in the area of responsibility of the National Hurricane Center.

and http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/flooding-tropical-downpours-patricia-texas-oklahoma-central-us/53098639 - http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/flooding-tropical-downpours-patricia-texas-oklahoma-central-us/53098639

Also: http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/asia-winter-forecast-201516/52956828 - http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/asia-winter-forecast-201516/52956828

Asia Winter Forecast 2015-16: Drought to Continue From India to Singapore; Typhoon Numbers May Challenge Record



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 04 2015 at 12:18am
http://www.ingentaconnect.com//igsoc/jog/pre-prints/-ings_jog_15j071;jsessionid=pi1c23u2cqo4.alexandra - http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/igsoc/jog/pre-prints/content-ings_jog_15j071;jsessionid=pi1c23u2cqo4.alexandra
 

Mass gains of the Antarctic ice sheet exceed losses



Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: November 05 2015 at 4:28am
http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/10/methane-vent-hole-in-arctic-sea-ice.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/10/methane-vent-hole-in-arctic-sea-ice.html

Malcolm Light  https://www.facebook.com/groups/methanehydratesnews/permalink/517676128386329/?comment_id=517690568384885&offset=0&total_comments=32&comment_tracking=%7Btn%3AR1%7D - comments : "The whole of the Arctic seabed is covered with methane hydrates and NASA satellites should have long ago defined where the major plumes were coming out. It is clearly a surface methane vent hole in the ocean ice analogous to the large methane vent holes that appeared all over northern Siberia this year. It means we have overheated the Arctic seafloor to the extent where the methane hydrates are now unstable and we could have further major releases at any time. We have already lit the fuse on a giant methane subsea permafrost bomb in the Arctic which can go off at any moment."


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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: November 05 2015 at 5:13am

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/05/1444911/-Study-of-huge-Siberian-craters-shows-Giant-Pool-of-Methane-below-them - Study of huge Siberian craters shows Giant Pool of Methane below them


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/05/1444911/-Study-of-huge-Siberian-craters-shows-Giant-Pool-of-Methane-below-them




Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: November 05 2015 at 9:34am
Earthquakefrequency in the Arctic is increasing both by methane-release and releasing more methane (and other gasses, some more greenhouse, some "cooling-anti-greenhouse-gasses, breaking those gasses down"). It is an illusion to think release will go smoothly. More "big burps". I understand methane layers in the atmosphere are slowly moving from the poles southward. 

If nature can get things in balance that would be nice, humans proberbly will not be able to do so.....


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: November 08 2015 at 10:30pm
http://climatenewsnetwork.net/antarctic-ice-shelf-melting-could-double-by-2050/ - http://climatenewsnetwork.net/antarctic-ice-shelf-melting-could-double-by-2050/

LONDON, 14 October, 2015 – Scientists find that the combination of global warming and powerful winds sweeping snow off the ice of Antarctica threatens to speed up sea level rise.

Antarctica, the planet’s largest desert, is home to 90% of the world’s ice – enough to raise global sea levels by at least 60 metres. So what happens to its ice and snow is a matter of serious concern to all of us.

One group has just predicted that, by 2050,  http://www.eurekalert.org/emb_releases/2015-10/whoi-nsp100915.php - the rate at which the ice shelves melt will double . Another reports that powerful winds are not just shifting Antarctica’s snow, but are also  http://www.earth.columbia.edu/articles/view/3263 - blowing 80 billion tonnes of it away , into the sea or the atmosphere.

Both cases exemplify the challenges of climate research and the construction of projections for the future.



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: November 09 2015 at 7:45am
https://www.wmo.int/media/content/greenhouse-gas-concentrations-hit-yet-another-record - https://www.wmo.int/media/content/greenhouse-gas-concentrations-hit-yet-another-record

9 November 2015

Interaction between CO2 and water vapour amplifies warming

Geneva 9 November 2015 (WMO) The amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere reached yet another new record high in 2014, continuing a relentless rise which is fuelling climate change and will make the planet more dangerous and inhospitable for future generations.

http://library.wmo.int/pmb_ged/ghg-bulletin_11_en.pdf - The World Meteorological Organization’s Greenhouse Gas Bulletin  says that between 1990 and 2014 there was a 36% increase in radiative forcing – the warming effect on our climate – because of long-lived greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide (N2O) from industrial, agricultural and domestic activities.

The WMO report also highlights the interaction and amplification effect between rising levels of CO2  and water vapour, which is itself a major greenhouse gas, albeit short-lived. Warmer air holds more moisture and so increased surface temperatures caused by CO2would lead to a rise in global water vapour levels, further adding to the enhanced greenhouse effect.  Further increases in CO2concentrations will lead to disproportionately high increases in thermal energy and warming from water vapour. 

 “Every year we report a new record in greenhouse gas concentrations,” said WMO Secretary-General Michel Jarraud.  “Every year we say that time is running out. We have to act NOW to slash greenhouse gas emissions if we are to have a chance to keep the increase in temperatures to manageable levels.”

Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 – the most important long-lived greenhouse gas – reached 397.7 parts per million (ppm) in 2014.  In the Northern hemisphere COconcentrations crossed the symbolically significant 400 ppm level in 2014 spring, when COis most abundant.  In spring 2015, the global average concentration of CO2 crossed the 400 ppm barrier.

“We will soon be living with globally averaged CO2 levels above 400 parts per million as a permanent reality,” Said Mr Jarraud



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: November 09 2015 at 10:55pm
http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/11/ocean-heat.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/11/ocean-heat.html

Sea Surface Temperatures

Sea surface temperatures were as high as 15.8°C or 60.4°F near Svalbard on November 7, 2015, a 13.7°C or 24.7°F anomaly. Let this sink in for a moment. The water used to be close to freezing point near Svalbard around this time of year, and the water now is warmer by as much as 13.7°C or 24.7°F.
Ocean heat will increasingly threaten to reach the seafloor and unleash huge methane eruptions from destabilizing clathrates. Such large methane eruptions will then warm the atmosphere at first in hotspots over the Arctic and eventually around the globe, while also causing huge temperature swings and extreme weather events, contributing to increasing depletion of fresh water and food supply.


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: November 09 2015 at 10:59pm
https://www.facebook.com/mhhensel/posts/10156326886215089 - https://www.facebook.com/mhhensel/posts/10156326886215089

Temperatures follow greenhouse gases. Here is a chart of methane's increase. We have reached the point where methane takes over the dominate controlling factor of the climate. C02, while still important, is no longer the dominate factor. Methane's dominance projects out as being complete by 2022. "Natural' climate system variability's have been overwhelmed by methane and C02. The composition of the atmosphere has changed and so has the climate. Credits go to Dr. Malcolm Light, Sam Carana & NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

- - https://www.facebook.com/AlamoProject/ - - https://www.facebook.com/AlamoProject/


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: November 17 2015 at 8:44am
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-17/its-official-biggest-nino-ever-killer-la-nina-follow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-17/its-official-biggest-nino-ever-killer-la-nina-follow

This morning NOAA released its data for the Pacific Ocean temperatures for the week of November 9th. We hit a record - the current El Nino is the strongest in recorded history.

http://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/november-el-niño-update-it’s-small-world - http://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/november-el-niño-update-it’s-small-world


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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: November 17 2015 at 8:20pm
October Obliterated Heat Records

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/october-heat-record_564b9f80e4b045bf3df1864b


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: November 18 2015 at 6:20am
Methane feeds subsea ice mounds off Siberia and may be the step before the dreaded methane blowout

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/18/1451488/-Methane-feeds-subsea-ice-mounds-off-Siberia-and-may-be-the-step-before-the-dreaded-methane-blowout


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: November 26 2015 at 4:03am
http://news.yahoo.com/antarctica-gaining-ice-why-earth-still-warming-125427252.html - http://news.yahoo.com/antarctica-gaining-ice-why-earth-still-warming-125427252.html

Editor's Note: This story was updated to show that the NASA study used ERS satellite data, not GRACE satellite data, between 1992 - 2001. GRACE was not launched until 2002.


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: November 28 2015 at 9:35am
Harold, this is off topic but I've been wanting to ask you a question. Is Methane being discussed seriously at the upcoming international conference on climate change?
https://www.facebook.com/mhhensel?fref=ufi - Harold H Hensel  The IPCC conservative scientists say that methane cannot be precisely quantified with confidence so they do not include it in the assessments. I don't know how much methane information will make it to Paris. There is so much methane coming up from "everywhere" that it is hard to quantify. However, not including it is a big mistake. Hopefully something about methane will make it. There is credible data that indicates that methane has begun to take over the dominate climate forcing position. C02 is still a factor but methane has taken the lead in influencing the climate. Hopefully there will be scientists there that will make this point. Also, there should be other people who are not constrained by a strict orthodox scientific protocol that can give obvious and credible observational information about methane to the conference. The Paris Conference will miss the boat if they don't deal with methane. Here is where you are not off subject. Climate Scientists are so gun shy about being attacked by climate change deniers that the scientific information they present is completely air tight and provable beyond any question of a doubt. This slows down scientific information about methane from being presented. Most, with a few notable exceptions, don't say what they know.


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Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: November 28 2015 at 3:35pm
Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

Harold, this is off topic but I've been wanting to ask you a question. Is Methane being discussed seriously at the upcoming international conference on climate change?

Dutch Josh, that one is in my wheelhouse.  I've studied anthropogenic methane production since the 1980s, and have built large mitigation projects under Kyoto Protocols.  

Methane is definitely on the table at COP 21, please see:

http://newsroom.unfccc.int/unfccc-newsroom/transformational-initiative-ccac-oil-gas-methane-partnership/ - http://newsroom.unfccc.int/unfccc-newsroom/transformational-initiative-ccac-oil-gas-methane-partnership/

In many ways, anthropogenic methane should be one of the easier greenhouse gases to mitigate, as we can do many things:

  • improve animal manure handling and land application: more methane is produced from intensive animal agriculture than from the oil/gas industry!   If we simply collected the manure, allowed the methane to form under a cover & capture it for fuel, we would make a lot of  progress. 
  • improve animal nutrition: many ruminants belch & excrete manure as a byproduct of their rumen fermentation, and there is intense research underway to improve and modify the diet of ruminants so that they don't make so much of the stuff!  
  • Change human diet - if we ate more poultry & vegetarian dishes, we could reduce a great deal of environmental degradation.  This is difficult to do in the USA, as we are addicted to red meat it seems.  
Climate change shouldn't be so hard, it makes sense to conserve resources, treat wastes responsibly and protect the environment.  




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Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: November 28 2015 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by CRS, DrPH CRS, DrPH wrote:


  • Change human diet - if we ate more poultry & vegetarian dishes, we could reduce a great deal of environmental degradation.  This is difficult to do in the USA, as we are addicted to red meat it seems.  


Even harder when you consider that developing nations are acquiring a taste for western style diets, Chuck - red meat consumption in particular. I swear that intensive farming will be the death of us all between the overuse of antibiotics/antivirals, environment degradation due to manure runoff, reassortment of flu viruses in pigs/poultry, ridiculously high water consumption, and now methane production.




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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: November 28 2015 at 11:26pm
CRS, DrPH thanks for your reaction. The picture I am getting is that the non-human release of methane (from the seabed, de-frozen permafrost etc.) is the big issue. http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/microwaving-the-atmosphere-to-mitigate-methane/ - http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/microwaving-the-atmosphere-to-mitigate-methane/ There are ways to break down methane. The worry is that this proces could create other problems. 

Nevertheless humans can make a lot of difference. We as consumers make our own choices and politics seem te be running after the public in stead of leading the way. More and more people realize we are "consuming" the future of next generations (also by creating national debts that can not be repaid-needs creative bookkeeping to be solved.) 

There is also an ethical point. Do we have a right to keep animals and use them to eat them and give them a terrible (but short) life ? In the future there might be smarter ways to "grow"meat that does not need 7kilo's of "green food" to produce 1 kilo of "red food".  Another ethical point is that human rights are not only our rights now but also the rights of future generations. 

jacksdad, this forum is proof that (at least some) people are becoming aware of the healthrisks of how we produce our food. The way people in developed countries live is impossible to maintain as acceptable when you expect that all humans would have the right to live the same way. We would need more planets to make that possible so we have to get smarter in how we "produce" our way of living. 

Re-using materials (and not dumping it as garbage), smarter food- and energy-production can give a boost to (western) economies. The sun sends more energy to earth in a day than earth uses in a year. 

Sticking to old ideas, fossil fuels, old wealth, can destroy our future. 


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: December 08 2015 at 10:26pm
http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/chennai-rains-freak-weather-whipped-up-a-perfect-storm/article7955477.ece?ref=topnavwidget&utm_source=topnavdd&utm_medium=topnavdropdownwidget&utm_campaign=topnavdropdown - http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/chennai-rains-freak-weather-whipped-up-a-perfect-storm/article7955477.ece?ref=topnavwidget&utm_source=topnavdd&utm_medium=topnavdropdownwidget&utm_campaign=topnavdropdown

The highest daily rainfall in a century. Freak weather conditions on one day. The hottest-ever Indian Ocean. The strongest-ever El Niño. The hottest year on record.

The bad news is that a perfect storm of meteorological conditions combined to create Chennai’s worst-ever deluge last week, exacerbated in no small part by civic infrastructure pushed to its limit and systemic dysfunction. The worse news is, that could happen again, and soon; 2015’s El Niño is on course to being the strongest ever recorded.

Not to mention storm "Desmond" bringing "once in a 1000 years"amounts of rain to Ireland, UK, Norway. That region had this kind of amounts now for the second time in 10 years.




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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: December 14 2015 at 4:55am
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-13/godfather-climate-change-calls-obamas-deal-fraud-its-bull***** - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-13/godfather-climate-change-calls-obamas-deal-fraud-its-bull*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHi6rVPL-iU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHi6rVPL-iU Paul Beckwith about arctic extreme warming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2HWzJsySXY - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2HWzJsySXY
Four new mysterious giant craters have appeared in the Siberian permafrost in northern Russia, sparking fears that global warming may be causing gas to erupt from underground.  http://proxyponder.com/2015/02/4-new-russian-holes-appear-in-siberia/ - http://proxyponder.com/2015/02/4-new-..


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: December 17 2015 at 12:20am
http://www.adn.com/article/20151216/greenlands-ice-loss-already-massive-and-now-its-speeding - http://www.adn.com/article/20151216/greenlands-ice-loss-already-massive-and-now-its-speeding

A massive new study by 16 authors has calculated just how much ice the Greenland ice sheet has lost since the year 1900. And the number, says the paper just out in the journal Nature, is astounding: 9,103 gigatons (a gigaton is a billion metric tons).

That's more than 9 trillion tons in total. And moreover, the rate of loss has been increasing, the research finds, with a doubling of annual loss in the period 2003 to 2010 compared with what it was throughout the 20th century.

http://permafrost.gi.alaska.edu/ - http://permafrost.gi.alaska.edu/

http://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/features/f0183-leaking-pingos-can-explode-under-the-sea-in-the-arctic-as-well-as-on-land/ - http://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/features/f0183-leaking-pingos-can-explode-under-the-sea-in-the-arctic-as-well-as-on-land/

http://www.adn.com/article/20151215/north-slope-permafrost-thawing-more-quickly-expected - http://www.adn.com/article/20151215/north-slope-permafrost-thawing-more-quickly-expected



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: December 18 2015 at 10:47pm
Global warming seems to be escalating. Fraud has become the main bases of all policies. And of course that delivers a bill WE have to pay. The amount of sea ice on the North Pole, land-ice in Greenland etc. is that low that it is not able to cool down the northern section of this planet enough. 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-18/its-hot-out-there-heres-why - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-18/its-hot-out-there-heres-why

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=961227767289391&set=p.961227767289391&type=3&theater - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=961227767289391&set=p.961227767289391&type=3&theater

Somewere between 2040 and 2050 temperature global =+8 c degrees
Around 2085 oceans start to boil 115-120 c-degrees
Around 2100 Earth has become Venus-like temperature 460 celsius

Let's hope that this study is incorrect-nature might be able to get some balance. (Solar influence might be one factor, but besides methane etc that heat things up nature could also react with products to cool things down. Also geo-enginering may be needed if "we"know what we are doing.)

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/04/california-natural-gas-leak-methane-climate-change-old-infrastructure - http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/04/california-natural-gas-leak-methane-climate-change-old-infrastructure  

It’s the climate equivalent of the BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico: the rupture of a natural gas storage site in  http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/california - California  that is spewing vast amounts of methane into the atmosphere and is likely to go unchecked for three months.

The breach of the Aliso Canyon natural gas storage site, near Porter Ranch has forced the  http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-adv-gas-leak-20151203-story.html - relocation of hundreds of families , who complained of headaches, nosebleeds and nausea from the rotten-egg smell of the odorant added to the gas to aid in leak detection.

The leak, which was detected on 23 October, now accounts for at least a quarter of California’s emissions of methane – a far more powerful climate-altering gas than carbon dioxide.

Already, the ruptured storage facility has released well over the equivalent of 800,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide – about the same amount that would be generated by driving 160,000 cars for a year, according to the California Air Resources Board.




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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: December 20 2015 at 2:46am
http://www.reliefanalysis.com/2015/11/abrupt-climate-change-is-about-to.html - http://www.reliefanalysis.com/2015/11/abrupt-climate-change-is-about-to.html

http://ameg.me/ - http://ameg.me/  

Malcolm Light on 0,2 degrees C warming in ONE year...

This is not making things better http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-19/huge-fukushima-cover-exposed-government-scientists-meltdown - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-19/huge-fukushima-cover-exposed-government-scientists-meltdown and https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/493 - https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/493 seafood as far away as North of Alaska/Arctic Ocean is contaminated. 

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/12/8/top_climate_expert_crisis_is_worse - http://www.democracynow.org/2015/12/8/top_climate_expert_crisis_is_worse


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: December 24 2015 at 8:11am
http://www.globalresearch.ca/climate-engineering-and-polar-meltdown-how-long-has-it-been-going-on/5497738 - http://www.globalresearch.ca/climate-engineering-and-polar-meltdown-how-long-has-it-been-going-on/5497738

From  "Popular Science" june 1958:

Dr. Joseph Kaplan (chairman of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Geophysical_Year - International https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Geophysical_Year -  Geophysical Year ) stated the following in the Popular Science article:

This so-far accidental result (rapid warming of Earth) is already serious, and we must find a means to counteract it. Melting polar ice will make ocean levels rise at least 40 feet, and inundate vast areas in the next 50 or 60 years unless atmospheric temperatures are controlled.

Again, it is important to understand who Kaplan was, the chairman of the “International Geophysical Year”, an exceptionally important event that gathered scientists from around the world to discuss the state of the planet.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-24/unstoppable-california-gas-leak-now-being-called-worst-catastrophe-bp-spill - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-24/unstoppable-california-gas-leak-now-being-called-worst-catastrophe-bp-spill using room under the earth once full of oil for gas-storage is working out wrong.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/tornado-photos-damage-southeast-mississippi-tennessee/54388401 - http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/tornado-photos-damage-southeast-mississippi-tennessee/54388401 and http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/major-storm-to-hammer-central-us-blizzard-snow-severe-weather-flooding-ice/54352350 - http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/major-storm-to-hammer-central-us-blizzard-snow-severe-weather-flooding-ice/54352350

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-25/east-coast-celebrates-christmas-warmest-weather-record - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-25/east-coast-celebrates-christmas-warmest-weather-record



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: December 26 2015 at 10:25am
Claiming that "El Nino"explains all the warmth global is "optimistic". We may be running out of "cooling reservoirs" with to much ice and snow gone. https://twitter.com/PaulHBeckwith/status/680760413991137284/photo/1 - https://twitter.com/PaulHBeckwith/status/680760413991137284/photo/1

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/global-warming-heat-records-19827?utm_content=buffer1a192&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer - http://www.climatecentral.org/news/global-warming-heat-records-19827?utm_content=buffer1a192&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

the sun would now be cooling the earth climate not warming things up !
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm - http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm  see also http://www.skepticalscience.com/ - http://www.skepticalscience.com/ and http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/dec/20/global-warming-weather-environment-el-nino?CMP=share_btn_fb - http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/dec/20/global-warming-weather-environment-el-nino?CMP=share_btn_fb


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: December 30 2015 at 12:04am
http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/12/2015-warmest-year-on-record.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/12/2015-warmest-year-on-record.html

The year 2015 is shaping up to be the warmest year on record. In the media, a lot of attention has been given to the many floods, droughts, wildfires and heatwaves that have battered the world this year.

Sadly, though, little attention is given to the situation in the Arctic. The image on the right shows a forecast for December 30, 2015, with temperatures at the North Pole above freezing point, as further illustrated by the  http://earth.nullschool.net/#2015/12/30/0600Z/wind/surface/level/anim=off/overlay=temp/orthographic=-90,90,692/loc=-90,90 - nullschool.net image below, showing a temperature forecast of 1.1°C or 34.1°F for the North Pole.


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: January 09 2016 at 3:21am
First hurricanes present themselves in January ! http://wxshift.com/news/winter-surprise-rare-tropical-cyclones-form-in-january?utm_content=buffer47bb0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer - http://wxshift.com/news/winter-surprise-rare-tropical-cyclones-form-in-january?utm_content=buffer47bb0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

http://robertscribbler.com/2016/01/08/this-is-what-the-athropocene-looks-like-tropical-storms-are-now-forming-during-winter/ - http://robertscribbler.com/2016/01/08/this-is-what-the-athropocene-looks-like-tropical-storms-are-now-forming-during-winter/


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: January 16 2016 at 9:30am
http://www.parisclimatejustice.org/article/real-climate-conspiracy-what-you%E2%80%99re-not-being-told - http://www.parisclimatejustice.org/article/real-climate-conspiracy-what-you%E2%80%99re-not-being-told

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: January 22 2016 at 2:54am
http://robertscribbler.com/2016/01/22/a-blizzard-roars-out-of-climate-changes-heart-polar-warming-and-a-record-hot-atlantic-ocean-brew-up-nightmare-storm-for-us-east-coast/ - http://robertscribbler.com/2016/01/22/a-blizzard-roars-out-of-climate-changes-heart-polar-warming-and-a-record-hot-atlantic-ocean-brew-up-nightmare-storm-for-us-east-coast/

But now we have them — an ocean surface hot enough to support a hurricane but one that will this weekend provide fuel for a blizzard. So the kind of blizzard we will have will not at all be like even the usual blizzards of the 20th Century. This is the new, worse variety that will sadly become more frequent. Destructive, heavy snowfall in the 4-5 inches per hour range, thundersnow and storm surges combined, swaths of hundreds of miles impacted and crippled. The kind for the new age of a human-heated atmosphere — destabilized to produce freak storms of a ferocity and frequency the likes of which we have never seen.


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: January 23 2016 at 9:24am
http://robertscribbler.com/2016/01/23/blizzard-fueled-by-ocean-heat-cripples-eastern-us-floods-coast-with-historic-storm-surge/ - http://robertscribbler.com/2016/01/23/blizzard-fueled-by-ocean-heat-cripples-eastern-us-floods-coast-with-historic-storm-surge/

Reports are beginning to come in of ongoing emergency evacuations of coastal homes flooded by surging waters in this region. Given the 9 foot above normal tides combined with hurricane force wind gusts and 30 foot waves slamming into beaches, sand dunes and sea walls, it’s a situation that is, sadly, likely to worsen as the day progresses.

Many of the Worst Impacts Still to Come

To this point, it’s important to note that, with Jonas still centered off the Delmarva Peninsula, this major tidal flooding that regions are now currently experiencing is just the start. The head of water should continue to build on into late Saturday as it moves up the coastline and into New York City, Long Island, Coastal Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts. Furthermore, impacts to New Jersey and Delaware should remain dangerous or worsen over the coming hours as winds pile waves and waters on top of already record high tides.

Meanwhile, Jonas will continue to generate heavy snowfall over hundreds of miles on into Saturday evening. The situation, therefore, remains quite dangerous and all residents in the affected areas should keep tuned to local emergency officials for instruction. In other words, this climate change enhanced monster winter storm isn’t done yet. Not by a long shot.



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Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: January 24 2016 at 3:33am
Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

never mindBig smile

Are we headed for a new ice age?


http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/06/17/are-we-headed-for-a-new-ice-age/#.VaURmOyoFIE




I have continued my thread on the coming Ice Age in the main posts. I still believe the dilution of the Gulf Stream will create something serious in the near future and have begun work on my book on it.

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: January 26 2016 at 2:21am
http://robertscribbler.com/2016/01/26/arctic-heatwave-drives-deadly-asian-cold-snap/ - http://robertscribbler.com/2016/01/26/arctic-heatwave-drives-deadly-asian-cold-snap/

Just off the coast of Svalbard the current temperature is 3.7 C (or 39 degrees F). That’s t http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35397763 - he same reading that Taipei City Taiwan, thousands of miles to the south and sitting in the ridiculously warm Southwest Pacific, saw yesterday . Running along the zero degree Longitude line to 85 North, just a few hundred miles from the North Pole, we find 1 C or 34 F temperatures. Temperatures run near or even above freezing along a vast section of ice-covered waters in the Arctic Ocean above 80 North Latitude and on toward the coast of Siberia. There at 74.5 North and 87.55 East, a freakishly warm northwest wind howling out of the Arctic Ocean is pushing temperatures to -1.4 C (29.5 F and above the point at which salty ocean water freezes). It’s colder now in the hills of North Vietnam at 20.1 North Latitude, 103.9 East Longitude with temperatures there hitting -1.5 C (29.3 F).

This is worth repeating — it’s colder in North Vietnam than it is on the shores of Arctic Siberia. Something, most definitely is not right with the weather.



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 04 2016 at 4:16am
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/15/climate-change-top-security-threat-top-economic-threat-gop-ignores.html - http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/15/climate-change-top-security-threat-top-economic-threat-gop-ignores.html

For some time now scientists and the military – and even some enlightened politicians – have been warning that climate change is our top national security threat.

Now it’s also being called our top economic threat.

Forced migration and climate change are the biggest risks facing the global economy this decade, according to 750 experts surveyed by the  http://www.weforum.org/ - World Economic Forum . The warning was published in the WEF’s  http://greenercities.org/climate-change-economic-threat/ - Global Risks Report  in advance of the annual gathering of global leaders at Davos, Switzerland, next week.

In a bleak assessment published Thursday before next week’s meeting, the WEF said its survey found that a failure to deal with and prepare for climate change is potentially the most costly risk during the next 10 years, ahead of weapons of mass destruction, water crises, large-scale migration flows and severe energy price shocks.

That’s the first time that an environmental concern has topped the list of global risks of the WEF’s Global Risks Report and comes after what meteorologists say was  http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/imageo/2015/12/19/2015-will-end-as-warmest-on-record/ - the hottest year on record .

“Climate change is exacerbating more risks than ever before in terms of water crises, food shortages, constrained economic growth, weaker social cohesion and increased security risks,”  http://greenercities.org/climate-change-economic-threat/ - said Cecilia Reyes , chief risk officer at Zurich Insurance, which helped develop the annual Global Risks Report.

The survey of nearly 750 experts and decision-makers from a variety of fields, locations and ages was conducted in the autumn of 2015 before the  http://www.cop21.gouv.fr/en/195-countries-adopt-the-first-universal-climate-agreement/ - global warming targets  were agreed upon in Paris in December.



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 06 2016 at 3:02am
We are entering a period of climate-chaos with extreme weather events becoming the new normal. This phase of climate change will be the end of live on earth. We are entering the vertical part of the hocky-stick model with rapid temperature rise and sealevel rise. Nuclear break down will do the rest. Since this world is run by political idiots, the power is in the hands of a very small group 0,1% of the people, who have their wealth in fossil fuels, the chances of escaping are getting smaller by the hour. Maybe nature can correct things-but time is running out....

http://robertscribbler.com/2016/02/05/co2-rockets-to-405-6-ppm-a-level-not-seen-in-15-million-years/ - http://robertscribbler.com/2016/02/05/co2-rockets-to-405-6-ppm-a-level-not-seen-in-15-million-years/

We are now entering a period in which atmospheres are more similar to those seen during the  http://descentintotheicehouse.org.uk/tag/miocene-climatic-optimum/ - Middle Miocene Climate Optimum  — the last time CO2 measures exceeded a threshold of roughly 405 parts per million (see  http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014PA002653/abstract - here  and  http://descentintotheicehouse.org.uk/tag/miocene-climatic-optimum/ - here ).

http://descentintotheicehouse.org.uk/tag/miocene-climatic-optimum/ - The Middle Miocene Climate Optimum  of 15-17 million years ago was a radically different world. It hosted an atmosphere in which carbon dioxide levels varied wildly from 300 parts per million to 500 parts per million. Temperatures were between 3 to 5 degrees Celsius hotter than the 19th Century.  http://www.tos.org/oceanography/archive/24-2_miller.pdf - And sea levels were about 120 to 190 feet higher . During this period, the world was still cooling down from the heat of the Paleocene and Eocene epochs. Carbon was being sequestered. And it was the first time the world broke significantly below a  http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch6.html - 500 part per million CO2 plateau that had been established during the Oligocene 24 to 33 million years ago .

If CO2 levels remain in this range, these are the temperatures, sea levels, and climate conditions we will transition to and ultimately experience. But time, and fossil fuel burning, is not on our side. For under business as usual fossil fuel burning rates of increase, we could hit the Oligocene threshold within as little as 25-30 years. And even if the current rate of increase were maintained, the Oligocene boundary sits about 5 decades away.




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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 06 2016 at 3:47am
http://robertscribbler.com/2016/02/04/rapid-acceleration-in-sea-level-rise-from-2009-through-october-2015-global-oceans-have-risen-by-5-millimeters-per-year/ - http://robertscribbler.com/2016/02/04/rapid-acceleration-in-sea-level-rise-from-2009-through-october-2015-global-oceans-have-risen-by-5-millimeters-per-year/

Sealevel rise has escalated from 0,8 mm per year in 1880 to 5 mm in 2015. It will escalate much faster with ice moving from both Antarctica and Greenland into the sea. Land-ice does not have to melt to end up in the sea. Wind can erode the ice, blowing land ice into the ocean. Also layers of molten ice can move land-ice into the sea. Besides the ice both Antarctica and Greenland are rising up, due to less ice-pressure. 

The sharp increase in ice-movements does mean that we are not that far away of a sealevel-rise over 1 cm per year. Increasing storms will cause extreme waves. Katrina will be a small thing with what is to be expected. Another Fukushima is to be expected before 2020-2025 making things even worse. 

To Obama-plan to increase tax on fossil fuels to make a transfer to durable energy is a good idea but political impossible. Unless the public gets the message that fossil fuels is robbing us from our future things only will get worse.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/what-megablazes-tell-us-about-the-fiery-future-of-climate-change-20150915?page=2 - http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/what-megablazes-tell-us-about-the-fiery-future-of-climate-change-20150915?page=2
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/apocalyse-soon-9-terrifying-signs-of-environmental-doom-and-gloom-20150818 - http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/apocalyse-soon-9-terrifying-signs-of-environmental-doom-and-gloom-20150818


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 07 2016 at 4:48am
http://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/eyes-on-environment/greenland_ice_sheets_losing_ability - http://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/eyes-on-environment/greenland_ice_sheets_losing_ability

http://www.climatevictory.org/lags.html - http://www.climatevictory.org/lags.html

http://www.newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science-tech/climate-scientists-find-elusive-tropospheric-hot-spot - http://www.newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science-tech/climate-scientists-find-elusive-tropospheric-hot-spot

https://eos.org/research-spotlights/the-forgotten-water-vapor-at-high-altitudes - https://eos.org/research-spotlights/the-forgotten-water-vapor-at-high-altitudes


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 11 2016 at 4:05am
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Observing_the_Earth/Antarctic_ice_safety_band_at_risk - http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Observing_the_Earth/Antarctic_ice_safety_band_at_risk

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/melting-greenland-ice-changing-ocean-circulation-earth-s-gravitational-field-1.3437904 - http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/melting-greenland-ice-changing-ocean-circulation-earth-s-gravitational-field-1.3437904


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 12 2016 at 8:36am
http://robertscribbler.com/2016/02/11/major-wildfire-outbreak-in-central-and-western-africa-as-drought-hunger-grow-more-widespread/ - http://robertscribbler.com/2016/02/11/major-wildfire-outbreak-in-central-and-western-africa-as-drought-hunger-grow-more-widespread/

http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2016/02/methanes-role-in-arctic-warming.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2016/02/methanes-role-in-arctic-warming.html

Global warming means that millions of people in Yemen and large parts of Africa now face starvation. Several factors are causing temperaturerise especialy in the Arctic. As long as temperatures are below freezing sealevelrise will be slow. When temperature on Greenland etc starts to get above freezing the landice will speed up melting resulting in faster sealevelrise. 

We are facing sealevelrise much faster that "the world" can handle. As always the poor pay the price-with their lives. But once this proces gets on its way there is no stopping !


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 16 2016 at 3:43am
Both Arctic sea-ice http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2016/02/arctic-sea-ice-remains-at-record-low-for-time-of-year.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2016/02/arctic-sea-ice-remains-at-record-low-for-time-of-year.html as global temperature http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/global-temperatures-leap-higher-in-january-smashing-records-20160215-gmuv8f.html - http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/global-temperatures-leap-higher-in-january-smashing-records-20160215-gmuv8f.html are smashing records.

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 23 2016 at 3:09am
Extreme temperatures create further increased methane emmissions driving up further temperature rise in the Arctic. This will effect land-ice on (a.o.) Greenland resulting in much faster (then expected) sealevel-rise this year. 

Increased ocean heat will translate into more extreme storms bringing with record breaking winds extreme waves. Sealevelrise will not go "slowly and smooth"! 

http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2016/02/has-maximum-sea-ice-extent-already-been-reached-this-year.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2016/02/has-maximum-sea-ice-extent-already-been-reached-this-year.html
http://robertscribbler.com/2016/02/22/a-monster-2016-arctic-melt-season-may-have-already-begun/ - http://robertscribbler.com/2016/02/22/a-monster-2016-arctic-melt-season-may-have-already-begun/
http://guymcpherson.com/2016/02/interview-for-press-tv-clathrate-gun-video/ - http://guymcpherson.com/2016/02/interview-for-press-tv-clathrate-gun-video/

A recent study: 
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/study-reveals-acceleration-of-sea-level-rise-20055?utm_content=buffer473e9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer - http://www.climatecentral.org/news/study-reveals-acceleration-of-sea-level-rise-20055?utm_content=buffer473e9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Even If humans quickly stop polluting the atmosphere, potentially keeping a global temperature rise to well below 2°C (3.8°F) compared with preindustrial times — a major goal of the Paris climate agreement — seas may still rise by an additional 9 inches to 2 feet this century, the study concluded. That would trigger serious flooding in some areas, and worsen it in others.

Under the worst-case scenario investigated, if pollution continues unabated, and if seas respond to ongoing warming by rising at the fastest rates considered likely, sea levels could rise more than 4 feet this century alone, wiping out coastal infrastructure and driving communities inland.

The problem would be made far worse if the Antarctic or Greenland ice sheets collapse — something that’s difficult to forecast.

(commentDJ-both Antarctic and Greenland/Arctic region landice is breaking up. Wind is eroding the ice, blowing it in the ocean, layers in landice (with more salt) are melting moving landice-layers above into the ocean-it is not only melting that makes land-ice become sea-ice. Extreme methane release from the Arctic region is making things much worse.)



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 26 2016 at 8:15am
I refuse to give up hope what climate-change is concerned. Eventhough developments are getting beyond the worst case scenarios. 

From Guy McPherson:

Madly, as if poisoned by our own culture, we negotiate. The 1.5 C “target” produced by COP-21 in Paris was eclipsed a month after the ink dried on the vaunted agreement. Unlike us, nature does not negotiate. Rather, nature bats last.

On, then, to the simple addition, rounding down in every case (i.e., taking a conservative approach):

1. The most-rapid scenario starts with the current 1 C above baseline and adds about 3 C from loss of global dimming plus 1 degree from moistening of the upper troposphere (to avoid counting the feedbacks twice), plus 11 C from Arctic methane, for a total of 16 C above the 1750 baseline by November 2024. That’ll be inconvenient, as it is much warmer than Earth’s global-average temperature at any time during at least the last 2 billion years (i.e., 2,000,000,000 years). The loss of global dimming is guaranteed by the temperature rise resulting from moistening of the upper troposphere or the rise in atmospheric methane. Civilization will not persist beyond 2 C above baseline, which translates to at least twice that temperature rise within the interior of large continents where grains are grown (thus sustaining civilization)

2. At the slower end of the abrupt-climate-change spectrum is 1 C currently, plus 1 C from loss of global dimming, plus 1 degree from moistening of the upper troposphere, plus 5 C from Arctic methane, for a total of 8 C above the 1750 baseline by November 2034. As above, the loss of global dimming is guaranteed by the temperature rise resulting from moistening of the upper troposphereor the rise in atmospheric methane.

The latter scenario — the “slow” one — takes Earth to a planetary temperature well-suited for dinosaurs, were the transition to take hundreds of thousands of years. It is well beyond the temperature at which Earth has harbored anything resembling Homo sapiens, and it’s quite near the highest planetary temperature during the last 2 billion years. The transition from here to 8 C above baseline will occur more rapidly than any previous known rise in global-average temperature.

http://guymcpherson.com/2016/02/how-hot-how-fast/ - http://guymcpherson.com/2016/02/how-hot-how-fast/

See also http://guymcpherson.com/2016/02/interview-for-press-tv-clathrate-gun-video/ - http://guymcpherson.com/2016/02/interview-for-press-tv-clathrate-gun-video/




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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 26 2016 at 8:19am
Hopefull developments:

http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2697.epdf?shared_access_token=rHmMc_SJcoMRNx9GiQnsntRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0OqLhjTdOU_W6LBPyB5VHO1N0SKUliomC94bTtnU1vxfoCK9k3qwGXoRNtQ7KxnRTPkA1X-pF4himCCRokIQpxtEPEVT1iDpOb8G2HqzKszZZwmTvy6zlJ01Jvp9VgR9sA%3D - http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2697.epdf?shared_access_token=rHmMc_SJcoMRNx9GiQnsntRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0OqLhjTdOU_W6LBPyB5VHO1N0SKUliomC94bTtnU1vxfoCK9k3qwGXoRNtQ7KxnRTPkA1X-pF4himCCRokIQpxtEPEVT1iDpOb8G2HqzKszZZwmTvy6zlJ01Jvp9VgR9sA%3D

Even main-stream-media dear to risk their advertisement incomes:

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/arctic-warming-rapidly-increasing-temperatures-are-possibly-catastrophic-for-planet-climate-a6896671.html - http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/arctic-warming-rapidly-increasing-temperatures-are-possibly-catastrophic-for-planet-climate-a6896671.html


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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 26 2016 at 8:32am
A remark on Guy Mc Phersons scenarios-(the most rapid leading to a temperature rise of 16 degrees celsius by november 2024)-he is not mentioning nuclear power plants, the sealevel-rise, (possible link to) earthquakes (certainly when developments go very fast due to extreme methane release from both the Arctic region and due to fracking (mostly in the US-but also happening elsewere).

In my (DJ) opinion-with a lot of older nuclear plants all over the globe we will not have to wait another five years for the next Fukushima(s). It proberbly will be much sooner. 

Also if information turns out to be correct Saudi Arabia has nuclear weapons-that it may use against Iran (or Russia in Syria). North Korea, Pakistan, with nuclear weapons-Israel, India (not to mention the "old five" US, France, UK, China and Russia/former Soviet Union-I understand at least the US and the former S.U. could be "missing some nuclear weapons". Pakistan has been selling knowledge-Turkey(Erdogan) could want nuclear weapons. 

The outlook is bad. http://robertscribbler.com/2016/02/25/as-a-titanic-el-nino-begins-to-fade-what-fresh-trouble-will-a-record-warm-world-bring/ - http://robertscribbler.com/2016/02/25/as-a-titanic-el-nino-begins-to-fade-what-fresh-trouble-will-a-record-warm-world-bring/


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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 27 2016 at 12:51am
http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2016/02/three-kinds-of-warming-in-arctic.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2016/02/three-kinds-of-warming-in-arctic.html

Sediments underneath the Arctic Ocean hold vast amounts of methane. Just one part of the Arctic Ocean alone, the East Siberian Arctic Shelf (ESAS, see map below), holds up to 1700 Gt of methane. A sudden release of less than 3% of this amount could add 50 Gt of methane to the atmosphere, and experts have warned for many years that they consider such an amount to be  http://methane-hydrates.blogspot.com/2013/04/methane-hydrates.html - ready for release at any time .
Above image gives a simplified picture of the threat, showing that of a total methane burden in the atmosphere of 5 Gt (it is meanwhile higher), 3 Gt that has been added since the 1750s, and this addition is responsible for  http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2013/11/quantifying-arctic-methane.html - almost half of all antropogenic global warming . The amount of carbon stored in hydrates globally was in 1992 estimated to be 10,000 Gt ( http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2012/06/methane-sequestration-in-hydrates.html - USGS ), while a more recent estimate gives a figure of 63,400 Gt ( http://davidmlawrence.com/Woods_Hole/References/Hester_2009_ClathrateHydrates.pdf - Klauda & Sandler, 2005 ). Once more, the scary conclusion is that the East Siberian Arctic Shelf (ESAS) alone holds up to 1700 Gt of methane in the form of methane hydrates and free gas contained in sediments, of which 50 Gt is ready for abrupt release at any time.

The warning signs keep getting stronger. Following a peak methane reading of 3096 ppb on  http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2016/02/has-maximum-sea-ice-extent-already-been-reached-this-year.html - February 20, 2016 , a reading of 3010 ppb was recorded in the morning of February 25, 2016, at 586 mb (see image below).

Comment DJ: The Arctic-and other regions-may be releasing methane in such numbers that we have a "very big problem".  If we are not able to get methane to more normal levels soon life can not continue on this planet. It is that simple, it is that bad !


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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: March 03 2016 at 5:00pm

Greenland’s melting is ‘feeding on itself,’ scientists say


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/03/03/greenlands-vast-ice-sheet-is-getting-darker-heres-why-thats-really-bad-news/



Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: March 03 2016 at 10:51pm
Not only Greenland, but both Arctic and Antarctic-region warming up. We are beyond the point-of-no-return and entering the climate-chaos zone. Panic and depression are now in place as human reaction-we are all on the Titanic. Only a miracle can save is. 

Maybe I am getting things wrong, I am not a scientist. The hockeystick-model predicted abrupt climate change when CO2, methane etc escalate. In the Arctic-region methane is not covered by ice and rising up-causing further warming-more melt-more methane etc. 

Some recent links:
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/gaius-publius/66261/have-we-crossed-a-tipping-point-this-year-in-the-arctic - http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/gaius-publius/66261/have-we-crossed-a-tipping-point-this-year-in-the-arctic
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/03/02/the-ridiculously-warm-arctic-just-set-another-ominous-record/ - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/03/02/the-ridiculously-warm-arctic-just-set-another-ominous-record/
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/mar/03/climate-change-disaster-risk-environment-heatwaves-droughts-floods?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-2 - http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/mar/03/climate-change-disaster-risk-environment-heatwaves-droughts-floods?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-2
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/03/greenland-ice-sheet-melting-global-warming-feedback-loop - http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/03/greenland-ice-sheet-melting-global-warming-feedback-loop
http://robertscribbler.com/2016/03/03/the-roof-is-on-fire-looks-like-february-of-2016-was-1-5-to-1-7-c-above-1880s-averages/ - http://robertscribbler.com/2016/03/03/the-roof-is-on-fire-looks-like-february-of-2016-was-1-5-to-1-7-c-above-1880s-averages/

Scientists are devided in what recent data means. Michael Mann is (to much/very) moderate talking about centuries. Guy Mc Pherson is talking about decades maybe even less, before humans lose Earth as a place to live. 

With the recent methane-eruptions and temperature rise in the Arctic maybe developments could even go faster. Volcanic eruptions, solar activity, (many) other factors also will be of influence during this very complex proces. The Arctic without ice will be a fact within a few years-that in itself will have enormous dramatic effects on Greenland-icesheet(s) melt, snow cover in Siberia, Canada, Alaska. 

There seems to be a limit to how much warmth the oceans can absorb. (The amount of energy to melt ice into water is the same amount of energy that will bring water to 80 degrees celsius). Warm oceans mean more (extreme) rainfall, stronger storms, higher waves. 

With a lot of (old) nuclear powerplants close to the sea or to flooding-risk related rivers another nuclear accident is already very likely within a few years. 


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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
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