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Topic: Climate-change were you are.
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Subject: Climate-change were you are.
Date Posted: September 13 2017 at 5:05am
We had a small tornado here november 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWkX9uu6qlU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWkX9uu6qlU . Certainly at 1.13 very spectacular !  Same tornado from the south of Arnhem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YBrOOs_TiA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YBrOOs_TiA

A busdriver did not want water getting in the way after a large amount of rain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKFeKz5tFXY" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKFeKz5tFXY so the passengers did get their feet wet. 
Rainwater is stopped at the dykes on wich the railways are made. So this kind of waterproblems is not uncommon. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS67CWKb8vQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS67CWKb8vQ This is not uncommon after a large shower. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot1KfCoQtXQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot1KfCoQtXQ Parking getting flooded. 


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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 13 2017 at 5:15am
https://www.ruimtevoorderivier.nl/english/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ruimtevoorderivier.nl/english/ To deal with to much water in the Netherlands they have made extra room for the rivers. So you can control the flooding. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_heat_island" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_heat_island On the other hand you need water to cool the surroundings during a heatwave. In my region they have made extra room for the (Lower)Rhine but also made vissible an old stream, a brook, wich can deal with both to much water or to much heat. Also more green, trees, vertical gardens against walls- http://www.countryliving.com/gardening/garden-ideas/how-to/g1274/how-to-plant-a-vertical-garden/?" rel="nofollow - http://www.countryliving.com/gardening/garden-ideas/how-to/g1274/how-to-plant-a-vertical-garden/? . 

Vertical gardens on soundscreens along highways are supposed to have a cooling effect, clean the air, and reduce the noise of traffic. 

In the Netherlands political parties claim to encourage cycling. http://www.snelfietsroutesgelderland.nl/arnhemnijmegencycling" rel="nofollow - http://www.snelfietsroutesgelderland.nl/arnhemnijmegencycling In my opinion they are not doing enough yet. Other EU-countries are planning to stop alowing fossil fuel transport in several years. 

(Royal Dutch) Shell has a lot of influence in Dutch politics. (In Germany and France car-manufacterers have a lot of influence-the power of Fina, BP, Volkswagen, etc should not be underestimated.)

For many cities more bikes, less cars, saves a lot of money and pollution. https://ecf.com/what-we-do/urban-mobility/fast-cycling-routes" rel="nofollow - https://ecf.com/what-we-do/urban-mobility/fast-cycling-routes Other cities, regions are interested in what bikes can mean for their regions https://www.velo-city2017.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.velo-city2017.com/ .


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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: September 13 2017 at 5:48am
Great topic!

My question to you was how are you prepared when things get worse, which they will.  

I do not know how bad climate change will get.  The daisyworld theory seems to hold reasonably true, but does not protect any one species; we could be one of the unlucky ones.  I can't see Earth becoming like Venus, but things could change radically.  If anyone wants to know how the use of all the stored carbon could make things go.  Then look at the geological period that existed before it was stored away the first time - namely the early carboniferous.

Additionally, as the climate stabilizes at the new temperatures, there should be massive changes to wind and water currents; greening of deserts and desertification of lush areas, hurricanes becoming more frequent, stronger and covering a wider band - not just tropical areas.  

So the questions go:  "How well prepared are you for those senarios?"


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 13 2017 at 6:30am
Tech, I think that "abrupt climate change" could be a realistic scenario. When I look at the public unrest after hurricanes I am not optimistic on how safety would work out when we-in NW Europe-would have to deal with a situation in wich there is no police, government etc. for days or weeks. 

Basicly I do not know what to prepare for. There are "risk-maps" in wich north of were I live wildfires are the main risk, but here flooding is a main concern. In a radius of 30 kilometers about 1 milion people live, in a 100 mile radius over 30 million. When they start to panic fellow-humans are a major risk. 

I understand you live in an area with minor risks for wildfires, flooding or large movement of public-in-panic. 

I try to stay informed, try to keep a good condition, know my ways. During the "cold-war"this region was supposed to be on the list of the Soviet Union for a nuclear attack. The bridges in this area are the main connection between the Northsea-ports and Germany. 

I guess that in a nuclear attack I will be history at once. Proberbly would not want to survive such a horror. 

Having a lot of food/drinks in a house for wich the main risk is flooding is not the best of ideas. 

So I only can hope that "things get wose" that slowly that I can see them coming. Proberbly in other countries public order will collapse earlier than in the Netherlands. 

On the other side of this "story" there might be "things getting that worse" you do not want to survive them. Preparing for some scenario's may have use, other scenario's proberbly prolong suffering. 


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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: September 13 2017 at 9:20am
Thanks, Dutch Josh!  

I am a winter sports enthusiast in the northern US state of Illinois, and used to live & play in Minnesota (borders on Canada).  One of my favorite winter-time activities for the past 50 (!) years has been "ice fishing," whereby I trudge onto a frozen lake, drill holes and catch (or try to catch) any of a wide variety of species of fish. 

Since the 1990s, I've noticed that our northern winters are getting shorter...lakes that used to freeze solid enough to drive onto are now partially open in most winters, and this has impacted the famous ice fishing culture of Minnesota: 

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2016/02/09/global-warming-coming-to-an-ice-fishing-contest-near-you/" rel="nofollow - http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2016/02/09/global-warming-coming-to-an-ice-fishing-contest-near-you/

Over the last several years, ice fishing contests, which are a big deal in Minnesota, have been repeatedly cancelled due to insufficient ice thickness on the relevant lake. Some of these contests have been permanently cancelled because the annual cancelations were becoming more frequent. Just now, the  http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/02/08/maple-lake-ice-fishing-derby-canceled-due-to-poor-ice-conditions/" rel="nofollow - Maple Lake Ice Fishing Derby has been cancelled . That’s bad.

But even more disturbing is  http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/02/09/sheriff-ice-conditions-for-eel-pout-festival-prompt-vehicle-restrictions/" rel="nofollow - this : 

Ice conditions for the Eel Pout Festival have created enough concern to prompt vehicle restrictions, according to the Cass County Sheriff’s Office.

Sheriff Tom Burch says vehicle traffic on Walker Bay during the event will be prohibited, but with the following exceptions: snowmobiles and Class 1 & 2 ATVs.

All vehicles must be removed from the ice by noon on Friday. Motorized traffic is no allowed until Sunday at 10 a.m.

This is a big deal because the Eel Pout Festival is different from the previously canceled ice fishing events. All those previously cancelled events, including Maple Lake, are in Central Minnesota, not far from the Twin Cities. The Eel Pout festival is way the heck up north, in a region where even with global warming affected climate, the ice still normally forms hard and thick.



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CRS, DrPH


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 13 2017 at 1:39pm
I moved to this area over 30 years ago
some years ago they changed the Growing Zone we are in because the temperatures have consistently been warmer
plants that used to freeze and die during the winter no longer do so
and when hiking in the nearby National Forest ticks and mosquitoes are often quite active
IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARYConfused

I have a wood burning stove that decades ago got a fair amount of use in the winter
I haven't used it now in years
it just doesn't get cold enough to warrant firing it up


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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: September 13 2017 at 2:04pm
Ten years ago we had eight feet of snow on our hill every year and our underground water supply pipes froze.  The snow has not settled for the past six years and our pipes have remained flowing.  But the amount of rainfall has become incredible.

Our well used to run dry for a couple of weeks each year and our yard was dry year round except for a bit of mud for a week or two while the snow melted.  Now the well has not run dry for four years and each year the yard has gotten wetter.  This year my yard is a pond and a stream.   We have had to lay concrete slabs as stepping stones to get into and out of our barn!

I would rather have floods than drought, but there are floods and FLOODS!  This is going on and on; it is quite ridiculous!  We will have to dig new and more voluminous drains to cope with climate change.  I'm too old for this level of work.Angry


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Posted By: arirish
Date Posted: September 13 2017 at 4:30pm
We used to have more fruit than we could can or freeze. The last three years it's been so warm in February that our trees have bloomed and then in March we've had a late freeze. No fruit at all this year. The little fruit that did set this year the critters got!

I have no data to support this but I've lived in the great plains most of my life and it seems there are more tornadoes and much larger and stronger tornadoes today!


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Posted By: arirish
Date Posted: September 13 2017 at 6:03pm
Stuttgart Ar. used to be called the Duck capital of the world. It was nothing to get your limit in one day! The last few years there are very few ducks. We,re now driving to northern Missouri, up in the Chillicothe area to hunt. It's not cold enough to drive them south!

Chuck,
I've spent many a day ice fishing in Minnesota. From setting on a bucket in the open to watching the Packers in a heated house. I have a friend that lives in St Cloud and that's a big part of their lives. If your truck or your house goes through the ice DNR charges you $1000 a day until you get it out! The last time i was up there 5 or ten years ago it was -28 degrees below at 2:00 PM!

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 13 2017 at 10:14pm
In the 19th century they had to make rivers in the east of the Netherlands being able to deal with ice-blockage. Parts of the river did defrost pushing ice to still frozen parts wich could do damage to dykes-cause flooding. Up to 60-70 years ago rivers could get that frozen cars could drive on it. 

We do not get ice in the rivers any longer. (So no ice-fishing either-must have been here as well in those days). 

Due to importing plants, other products, from "far away" we also get all kind of (semi)tropical plants, insects etc in this region wich can grow here due to warming. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduced_species" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduced_species




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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: September 13 2017 at 10:48pm
Originally posted by arirish arirish wrote:

Stuttgart Ar. used to be called the Duck capital of the world. It was nothing to get your limit in one day! The last few years there are very few ducks. We,re now driving to northern Missouri, up in the Chillicothe area to hunt. It's not cold enough to drive them south!

Chuck,
I've spent many a day ice fishing in Minnesota. From setting on a bucket in the open to watching the Packers in a heated house. I have a friend that lives in St Cloud and that's a big part of their lives. If your truck or your house goes through the ice DNR charges you $1000 a day until you get it out! The last time i was up there 5 or ten years ago it was -28 degrees below at 2:00 PM!

Thanks, nice to hear from a fellow ice fisherman!  I lived in Tulsa for a few years & enjoyed watching the eyes of the Okies get big when I told them we could drive on the lakes in our pickup trucks and go fishing!!  

These days, not so much.  We do get an occasional cold winter from the erratic polar vortex (which whips around like a crazy snake, due to Arctic heating), but I'd have to drive pretty far north to feel confident to drive on the ice again.  

And I do miss those -30ºF mornings in St. Cloud, MN!!  When you inhale, it feels as if you were shot in the chest!!   Sadly, our lifestyles will change, and events like Hurricanes Harvey and Irma will probably be the new norm (torrential rainfall, increased extreme weather events etc.).  We need to consider this for our preps.  

Be safe, man! 


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CRS, DrPH


Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: September 15 2017 at 2:21am
I've noticed that the dry periods in the summer are longer and more intense, and conversely, the winters have been much wetter. We're in the process of building a barn and outside yarding area so we can keep our cows in next winter to stop them churning up the paddocks so badly. Their current cowshed isn't big enough for permanent housing for 4 or 5 months. 

Our summers have been long and very dry recently. We've had to start irrigating our paddocks to guarantee grass. I do worry about grass fires, so we've taken steps to fit huge irrigation sprinklers in the paddocks that are on the windy side of our house, so hopefully we can drench them in the event of a fire and stop it before it gets to us. 


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 16 2017 at 2:40am
KiwiMum, does the change of weather effect the health of the cows ? Does it effect the profitability of having cows ? (More costs for housing and food-decrease in milkproduction ?)

Here in the Netherlands agriculture production is still increasing while the number of farmers is decreasing. http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Agricultural_census_in_the_Netherlands" rel="nofollow - http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Agricultural_census_in_the_Netherlands


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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: July 16 2018 at 2:55am


https://www.knmi.nl/nederland-nu/klimatologie/geografische-overzichten/neerslagtekort_droogte" rel="nofollow - https://www.knmi.nl/nederland-nu/klimatologie/geografische-overzichten/neerslagtekort_droogte Extreme drought-only 1976 was more extreme

Immediately, Thursday afternoon, 12 July 2018, the Rijn and IJssel Water Board has imposed a total ban on the removal of surface water. This means that no water can be extracted from brooks, rivers, ponds and ditches in the entire management area of ​​the water board. This prohibition applies to both companies and individuals, large and small quantities. The water board closely monitors compliance with the ban. Illegal emitters risk a fine of up to 2000 euros. It has been regulated by law that the fire service may always use surface water for extinguishing purposes. There is no ban on the extraction of groundwater.

In the local Netherlands news today: 
Weathermen startle: at the end of next week it can be 40 degrees
The Netherlands is still far from the heat. Meteorologists from Weerplaza were shocked this morning by one of the calculation models that predicts the weather of next week: ,, Which indicates 40 to 42 degrees for 28 and 29 July, we have never seen that, '' says Ben Lankamp of Weerplaza.




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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: July 16 2018 at 6:00am
Sympathy, DJ! 

We also have a heatwave/drought.  Hard to believe in wet, chilly NE Scotland.  Our well is almost dry. In an attempt to eke the water out, we are collecting and using rainwater (saved) running the pump from the well for short periods every 3 hours (in the hope it fills a little bit between runs - we get a few drops each time but the water  table is way down.) not doing any washing (Oh boy, does that build up!) using washing up water to water the plants, recycling dirty animal water as plant water and using bottled water.  I smell!  I cant bathe as much as I wish!  The loo is only being flushed occasionally AND STILL THE WATER STORE IS DIMINISHING! 

There is no respite in sight.  To add insult to injury, there is low cloud over us today.; chilly, misty, but no real rain!! 

Temperatures are unbelievable!  Literally unbelievable; the weather forecasters have not seen our thermometers!  This area was supposed to have in-the-shade temperatures inaround 18* yesterday - I wish!  It was more than 10*C higher than that and we are up a big hill!  I don't want to say they were lying, but......................


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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: July 16 2018 at 6:03am
There is one consolation.  Most of the midges have died and failed to breed in the hot, dry weather.
Ha! Ha!Ha! Evil Smile  Even mineature vampires can't take this sun.


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Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: July 16 2018 at 8:00am
It gets toasty here in SoCal, but we just saw some extreme temps ourselves. This is a coworker's dashboard thermometer during our recent heatwave.





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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: July 16 2018 at 1:33pm
There was only a 2% chance of 42C/107F in the https://www.ecmwf.int/en/forecasts" rel="nofollow - https://www.ecmwf.int/en/forecasts model-but even that is shocking ! The drought may effect foodproduction...

For the time being we still can take showers etc-but it is a worry ! Other places have to deal with far worse kind of weather. But it is all extreme and can become deathly on the longer term. 

No lakes for water for the toilet in Scotland Techno ? (To save drinking water ?)-I follow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncXGLu_iVlc" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncXGLu_iVlc In2thinair and https://www.mrmbb333.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.mrmbb333.com/ -the UV(C) readings are quite shocking ! In my region the grass is brown/yellow, an early autumn for most trees....limited wildfires so far.


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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: July 16 2018 at 1:58pm
Keeping the livestock and plants alive is our priority. 

No lakes near enough to be of any use, even the sea is a minimum of 15 miles away, with ice cold north-sea water and dangerous caves and currents.  Nipping there for a swim with soap, rocks and a bag of washing is not really an option.  We are even using the dehumidifyer as a water source!




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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: July 16 2018 at 2:38pm
40% of our water comes from the desalanisation plants,here in Perth

otherwise we would be in trouble  ,

our east coast (4/5 hours fly time ) is in a drought situation

over the last 30 years our summers have become   longer ,30c+ for a good 6/8 months 

not much rain in our winters now ,

Australia is a big country but 3/4 of it desert,only liveable around the coast






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Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: July 16 2018 at 5:16pm
The winters in Chicago use to be long and brutal....temperatures down to -26º C (-15º F) used to be fairly typical.  I would usually go fishing through the ice and have done this for about 50 of my 63 years on this planet! 

Alas, winters seem to be growing warmer and warmer....some winters, the ice barely holds up to being walked upon, or it all melts in an atypical February rainstorm.  

During the spring and summer, the Chicago region receives much heavier rainfall, leading to damaging flooding with extensive property losses.  Being the US midwest, we have our share of tornados and hailstorms!  Certain areas not far from where we live were completely destroyed by massive tornados...my wife and I nearly drove through this one.  
http://goo.gl/images/dcpHVz" rel="nofollow -
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Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: July 16 2018 at 10:22pm
I am also caught up in the heat wave affecting Europe...yesterday our well ran dry. The well has a hand pump that I have only used for watering the garden and flushing the toilet.    It has been the hottest and driest summer since we bought this property 12 years ago.

We knew that the previous owner (the ones that built the house) had trouble with the well running dry and went onto the town supply (which is still functioning). I did not expect to drain the well with a hand pump.

We still have a little water in a pond (natural dip in the rocks, with a extra dam that I just re-cemented to try and stop all its leaks). so the plants are good for a few days, and yesterday the well seemed to be filling at about 5 litres an hour.)

No rain in our local 10 day weather forecast. 

I cannot say if this is a long term climate change effect, as the island communities here have always had a risk of summer drought.


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: July 17 2018 at 9:47pm
No severe weather here in the Netherlands-just warm/hot (no heatwave-but most likely we will get a national heatwave next week)and no rain expected the rest of this month. 

This is effecting watersupply/pressure-demand is (much) bigger than what can be produced in some area's. So-since they are on the end of supply-lines some northern regions of our country have to deal with a pressure drop in water.

Since we are part of the EU, and Germany, France get a lot of rain in some regions, on a European level watersupply-for the moment-should not be a major problem (yet).

Waterlevel in the rivers is low-it will effect shipping-but since we have good rails-and-roads there may be alternatives for logistics. Also cooling powerplants most likely not getting problematic soon. 

We had a major wildfire north of Arnhem in 1976-we were getting close to evacuating northern parts of town, shooting wild animals in the Zoo-then. Wildfires are a very major risk-growing day by day. 

Links-wildfire in Sweden, Algae in gulf of Finland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llImmzcDCm4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llImmzcDCm4 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZoYEbVPCqQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZoYEbVPCqQ  

Italy http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=ST-20180717-63930-ITA" rel="nofollow - http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=ST-20180717-63930-ITA
Japan http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=HT-20180715-63903-JPN" rel="nofollow - http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=HT-20180715-63903-JPN
http://www.euromomo.eu/" rel="nofollow - http://www.euromomo.eu/ No increase in mortality yet in EU
https://www.atlasnatuurlijkkapitaal.nl/mapviewer/?config=ank_kaarten_1004201&layers=1b38c2a5-9657-3990-a748-fb588d6e8bf7,1,0.55,0;&x=93357&y=445368&zoom=6&rotation=0&baselayer=992" rel="nofollow - https://www.atlasnatuurlijkkapitaal.nl/mapviewer/?config=ank_kaarten_1004201&layers=1b38c2a5-9657-3990-a748-fb588d6e8bf7,1,0.55,0;&x=93357&y=445368&zoom=6&rotation=0&baselayer=992
heat-island effect in the Netherlands. In urban area's temperature may be several degrees above the surrounding area's. (In my area there is more water than during the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_European_heat_wave" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_European_heat_wave . This may bring temperatures down a little. (see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_North_American_heat_wave" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_North_American_heat_wave )

DJ-I think we are in a global climate crisis and may have to deal with weather becoming even more extreme. International cooperation is needed.


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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: July 31 2018 at 10:41pm
July 2018 did break records for drought and hours of sunshine (average 8mm of rain over 330 hours of sunshine). Temperature-wise july 2018 ended in 3rd place (20,7C 2006=22.3 and 1994=21,4C).

The effects of lack of rain are becoming dramatic-we are beyond the 1976 record for that. Also two days in a row we had places with temperatures of 38,2 and 38.1. The (1944) record is 38.6C-most likely it will get broken soon. 

Harvest-wise this weather is a total disaster; farmers are getting close to bankruptcy-with no real hope for the coming month bringing weather improvement harvests will fail, farmers will stop their farms.
Also since there is hardly any grass cows (etc) are now in the stables eating what was meant for the coming winter-a lot of those cows will not make it to the winter and be slaughtered.

Rivers are at extreme low levels-eventhough not yet record breaking. There is more rain in parts of Germany and France giving some water to the riversystems. Still sweet water in the Netherlands is now used:
-to keep the salt (sea) water from moving in land
-to stop dykes etc. from drying out and collapsing.

Trees are dying here on a larger scale-breaking up. At several places municipalities stopped giving young trees water-they may get replaced (with imported trees) after the drought. 

(Rail)ways are effected, bridges stay closed. With also the waterways at low level logistics are effected. 

Energy production is still working, also drinking water is not yet a problem. Still due to ground drying out there seems to be more break-ups in the underground pipelines. 

Wildfires are still limited-the fire departments (etc) are very on top of situations.

Statistics do not yet show an increase in mortality-but historic data shows increase in mortality during long warm/hot periods. A sad fact is that-due to spending cuts on the care for elderly and chronicly ill-the most vulnarables may be found dead after weeks, months. 

Most people are unaware of the dramatic situation we are in. The Netherlands is the second largest exporter of agriculture products in the world-after the US. With this global heatwave food production is getting in a crisis. This will get much worse than Dutch cheese becoming expensive-famine may be around the corner for some poor regions. (The Arab spring was drought related, food prices doubling in 2010)

Dealing with this extreme weather "as an incident" not taking serious steps for a more durable society will only worsen the situation further. 

Sealevelrise is speeding up-most likely in a dramatic way. I do expect hurricanes to get to Europe-in combination with these droughts fertile land may get eroded, our watersystem may not be able to switch from extreme droughts to extreme rainfall in just a few hours.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8k9K-jhIT4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8k9K-jhIT4 Robert Scribler on the heatwave bringing temperatures of 26C on the Alaskan-Arctic coast....


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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: August 02 2018 at 4:13am
I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

In pictures: Australia's drought seen from the air - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-45043299" rel="nofollow - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-45043299


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Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: August 02 2018 at 6:25am
Carbon ... you beat me to posting that....the pictures are kind of depression  (=polite speak for very depressing).


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 02 2018 at 10:16am
My problem with Climate Change is China and India. We have so many countries not just the U.S. that are doing so much more pollution causing Climate Change it makes the U.S. look good. Until the whole world gets on board we are sunk. You will never get China or India to stop polluting.   

One thing I can tell you I would not purchase any property near the ocean!!! I worry about the high plains having no water also. But it is what it is until the world comes to it's senses.


I also believe there could be a reason for all the climate change but that is another subject I do not want to go into.


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: August 02 2018 at 11:43am
There is more than one reason for climate change - not just us.  Although I now think we are the biggest of the causes.

Don't live near the ocean or at the bottom of a valley is absolutely the most vital rule!.

China used to be beaten by the USA in CO2 emissions, NOT ANY MORE!!  Now it produces nearly TWICE what the USA does.  Mind you it has 5 times the population so there is no room for complacency.  Per capita, the Chinese produce almost 1/3 the CO2 an American does. 

But rather than apportion blame, which is in my opinion the wrong approach, we need to protect ourselves from the effects.  I may lambast Trump for his stance on climate change, but he is hardly unique in this!  Overall the world may cut its emissions down a little, but it is not going to stop.

None of our politicians, parties, focus groups or government administrations are going to save us.  I personally don't think God will save us from this either (Revelations 11:18). 

So use your brains and listen to FluMom.  Get yourselves ready.


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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: August 02 2018 at 2:16pm
i live about 2 kms from the ocean.............

we all screwed................

UNLESS there is  a pandemic that knocks about 75% of the   population

people hate me because i'm a realist.............

or can someone give me a better idea

because i can't for the life of me see any other way ,

even if we stopped using planes ,trains and automobiles TODAY 

it won't stop the climate change thats happening NOW




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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: August 02 2018 at 2:40pm

World Population Growth

Humans had been around for tens of thousands of years by the year 1 A.D. when the Earth's population was an estimated 200 million. It hit the billion mark in 1804 and doubled by 1927.

It doubled again in less than 50 years to four billion in 1975

YearPopulation
1200 million
1000275 million
1500450 million
1650500 million
1750700 million
18041 billion
18501.2 billion
19001.6 billion
19272 billion
19502.55 billion
19552.8 billion
19603 billion
19653.3 billion
19703.7 billion
19754 billion
19804.5 billion
19854.85 billion
19905.3 billion
19955.7 billion
19996 billion
20066.5 billion
20096.8 billion
20117 billion
20258 billion
20439 billion
208310 billion


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: August 06 2018 at 9:59pm
http://www.estofex.org/" rel="nofollow - http://www.estofex.org/ :

A level 2 was issued for France, Belgium, the Netherlands and NW Germany mainly for severe wind gusts, large hail and tornadoes. 
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A broad level 1 area was issued for parts of Spain, France, Switzerland, Austria, Luxembourg, N Italy, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Denmark mainly for excessive precipitation, large hail, severe wind gusts, and tornadoes. 

DJ, We are getting to the end of our record breaking-1 month-regional heatwave. National we are at the end of a second heatwave for 2018. 

Today we may get close to 38.6C in some regions, still the record for the Netherlands since 1944. 

The drought did bring massive starvation to wild animals, trees. It will effect harvest. 

" rel="nofollow - - http://www.euromomo.eu/"> - http://www.euromomo.eu/ :

European mortality bulletin week 30, 2018

http://www.euromomo.eu/bulletin_pdf/2018/2018_30_bulletin.pdf" rel="nofollow">Link to printable version

Overall, the pooled estimates of all-cause mortality show normal expected mortality levels for the participating countries. However, there are signs of excess mortality in a number of countries in the north of Europe, especially among the elderly, which could be related to the current heat wave affecting many European countries.


DJ; The "over-mortality" more deaths than statistics would expect-will get clear within a few months. Due to spending-cuts on care a lot of people in need do not get care, may be found dead in their homes after some time. 

Also there seems to be an increase in accidents etc. that are not-statisticly-related to these extreme weather events. (It is a "slow disaster")



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Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: August 07 2018 at 10:45pm
Hard to tell if it is climate change or just a summer heat wave, but some dire effects here (Finland):

Originally posted by YLE, Finnish Public Radio/TV YLE, Finnish Public Radio/TV wrote:

After a dry summer, many farmers in the south and west predict that they will only harvest half of their normal yield. This bodes poorly for Finland's livestock.

http://https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/hay-poor_dairy_farmers_consider_sending_some_cows_to_slaughter/10340966" rel="nofollow - http://https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/hay-poor_dairy_farmers_consider_sending_some_cows_to_slaughter/10340966


On one news report a farmer from another island reported that this winter she would have to send half her dairy cows to be slaughtered, as they are already using the winter feed.

Also, in our village, there is an old man who has kept one small hay field and a very nice cottage (used by relatives for summer holidays).    In other years he has just had the field cut and let the hay rot down.  This year for the first time in the twelve years I have been here the field was harvested by a farmer and the fodder collected. 



Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: August 08 2018 at 1:33am
ABC News: NSW Government says entire state in drought, new DPI figures reveal full extent of big dry.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-08/nsw-government-says-entire-state-is-now-in-drought/10088628" rel="nofollow - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-08/nsw-government-says-entire-state-is-now-in-drought/10088628

And this is our Winter......


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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 2:23pm
Here too. Our well just ran dry for the first ever time.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 4:12pm
Carbon 20 is correct when showing the population chart. We are doomed folks too many people too many countries coming out of the dark ages in Africa and too much pollution from India and China. Everyone gives India and China a way out of the Carbon agreement which does nothing but get money from the U.S. to make others wealthy on the U.S. workers backs. Why Trump will win again in 2020!



Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 10:38am
I have a feeling that the population thing will fix itself, with or without our help.



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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 2:19pm
its a BIG taboo the population thing,

how Dare we even think that we are the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,

i'v seen it on here recently ,

War ,Fammin, or Pestilence is the only way we will be thinned out as a species ,

it will never happen by any other means,

you should have seen the fuss when plastic bags were stopped at the supermarkets over here ,

can you see people only being allowed one 1000cc car or no cars per family ,No 4x4 , one overseas flight every 5 years ,a cap on your electricity usage ,say 1 kilowatt a month ,,

Flumom you are wrong to point fingers,at anyone country ,

the UAE are one of the biggest emitters ,

and guess what they produce:


Petrol,Urea, fertilizer,pesticides,and Weedkiller...........

that we in the WEST use like there is no tomorrow,

the Human race needs to have a good long look at itsself...............





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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 6:53pm
I don't disagree. Many of the liberal Actors for Climate Change agreement have huge yachts, private air planes, multiple houses, cars that eat gas. This is a messed up world.


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: August 14 2018 at 9:59pm
Another side of climate change for the Netherlands is that "since we had Spanish weather here" a lot of Dutch had their hollidays in their own country (Spain did see 20% less Dutch tourists this year ! Tourism in the Netherlands is up 7%).

We did have (some) rain-a lot of grass turned green again-but there will be some damage to nature. (We did have overpopulation of wild swines, deer, etc. in several area's. Due to lack of food a lot of those animals died. Nature is not friendly.)

The rivers are at their lowest levels ever-almost. Salt water from the North Sea is moving in-also effecting agriculture. Speaking of agri-culture-wine is doing very well here !

The Dutch are most active in "moving" from all Europeans; going on bike to school or job, taking a walk during the break. We have good cycle-paths here, and that is still growing. On the short-term tourism will grow-add to the almost 3% economic growth this year.

If you are thinking of a job in the Netherlands-we have over 250.000 vacencies-from healthcare to truckdrivers, building etc.

Discussion on population is another subject. With better education (especialy for girls/women) birth-rates go down fast. I (DJ) may even start a discussion on gender-in-equality; the better the position of women in a society the lower the birthrate ?

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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: August 15 2018 at 10:17pm
I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

New South Wales battles dozens of winter bushfires - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-45203946" rel="nofollow - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-45203946

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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: August 19 2018 at 2:55pm
Iraq's Edenic marshlands are drying out again
The famed Marshlands of Mesopotamia, hailed by many as the location of the biblical Garden of Eden, once covered some 20,000 square kilometres. They were almost completely drained by Saddam Hussein in the 1990's, and now, after more than a decade of reflooding efforts, they are drying out again.

The World
By Tracey Shelton

Updated Sat at 6:24am

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A woman walks across dry land leading water buffalo
The Central Marsh, pictured above, used to be full of water and life. Now, many locals have been forced to migrate from the cracked, bare earth that surrounds their villages. This time, climate change, poor water management, and dams further upstream are among the culprits.

Forget the Palestinian issue. That's a joke compared to what's coming. Water is life!

Azzam Alwash, Iraqi engineer and environmentalist
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VIDEO: Mr Alwash says the water crisis could be key to the future of the Middle East (The World)
Mr Alwash has led reflooding efforts in the marshlands, and he warns that without proper management, the situation will present "the next crisis" for Iraq after the fall of the Islamic State.

The marshes were completely dried almost 30 years ago by Saddam because they were a natural haven for political resistance. It is our Sherwood Forest [Robin Hood] — it is where rebels went to hide and Saddam was afraid the opposition would be used by the West to undermine his rule. As such, he went about depriving the marshes of their source of life, building thousands of kilometres of embankments to hold the waters of the Euphrates away from the marshes."

Azzam Alwash
It took Saddam five years to drain the vast wetlands back in the nineties, but the environmental impact is predicted to last for generations.

A flock of birds fly over the marshes
The drying caused the temperature of the region to increase by 5 per cent, dust storms increased, birds migrated to other countries, and fish died off. The marshlands previously supplied around half of the fish consumed in Iraq.

By the fall of Saddam in 2003 after the launch of the Iraq war, refugees of the area began to return to break down the embankments, but by this point, dam projects up north in Turkey were reducing the amount of water reaching the area.

The biodiversity of the marshes are driven by the natural flood pulses of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers that deliver 60 per cent of their water in the spring — the dam systems stopped those pulses.

Boats sit on the banks of a mostly dry marsh area as buffalo graze in the background
While reflooding was possible, the water quality had irreversibly deteriorated meaning only the more hardy fish and animal species could survive in the new marshes.

The marshes had gone down to zero so there was no way but up. But the fact is we have been unable to restore the marshes. We reflooded a large portion, but the biodiversity had changed.

Azzam Alwash
This year, the marshes begun drying again. In some areas, locals say, the water level has been reduced by 50 per cent in just three months.

Jassim Al-Asadi sits in a boat in the marshlands
Jassim Al Asadi, pictured above, was born right in the centre of the marshes. His mother gave birth on a boat while collecting reeds for the family's herd of water buffalo. He now works for Nature Iraq monitoring water quality and conditions in the marshes. He says this year water levels and salinity have reached critical levels.

Fires burn red over a dry marsh area
Mr Asadi says fires are also taking a toll.

Buffalo breeders and reed collectors burn the dry reeds traditionally to allow space for new growth in the spring when the water levels rise. But this year there is no water to control the blaze. Many are burning out of control.

A house made of reeds and mud
Low water levels have stunted transportation which is largely carried out by boat. Reed collectors can no longer reach the good reeds which are used to build houses, feed buffalo and make fishing traps and other items. Mr Asadi says salinity levels have now reached five times the drinkable level, meaning buffalo herders need to travel up to 25 kilometres daily by boat to purchase fresh water for their families and their flocks.

It affects the health of the buffalos and the price of the buffalos. Disease is spreading among the herds because of the quality of the water. Many have died.

A fisherman checks his nets
Mr Asadi says fisherman are also suffering. The quantity and quality of water has reduced fish numbers and sizes.

The income from fishing is now too low for a family to survive on. Many have left the marshlands for other areas of Iraq higher along the Euphrates.

Water buffalo make their way throw muddy shallow water holes
Buffalo breeders are also migrating to areas that have water. Mr Asadi says some villages are now almost empty.

Every economy related to the marshes are affected by drought. All the people are affected.

Children collect reeds from a boat
If nothing is done, Mr Alwash says "agriculture is going to die in the land where it was born".

Iraq's culture has been built on an abundance of water for thousands of years. Our problem has been flooding not lack of water. Suddenly over 25 years — or one generation — our problem converted from floods to arid conditions. Culture does not change that fast and that is the problem. Our culture has not caught up with reality. And it's gonna be a shock.

A child sits holding the horns of a buffalo
The cities of Iraq can not handle the demands of a growing population. Agriculture, energy and other services are lacking. People are already demonstrating in the streets, Mr Alwash says.

Three to four million people who are currently dependant on Iraq's agriculture will have to migrate out. If you think Syrian migration was a huge problem for Europe, wait until the migration from the farms of Iraq starts.

Buffalos wade through the water as boats pass behind
But Mr Alwash believes this crisis presents an opportunity.

I want to build on top of this crisis a cooperation [between nations] to create management for the waters of the region.

A man rides his boat at sunset
Iraq loses about 8 billion cubic metres of water to evaporation as a result of flood control structures, including large shallow lakes built to control the floods. Mr Alwash believes this water can be saved by storing it in Turkey. He says strategic water and energy management between Turkey, Iraq, and in turn the wider region would not only solve the water crisis, but could lead to peaceful cooperation in a region long plagued by war.

Water is life! You can't drink sea water, you can't drink oil — you have to find a solution.

A boat rides along the Euphrates river during golden sunset
Photos by Tracey Shelton and Jassim Al-Asadi

Topics: water-management, water-supply, dams-and-reservoirs, environmental-impact, environmental-management

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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: August 21 2018 at 3:47pm
Mosquitoes known to carry West Nile virus found in Essex

Hundreds of cases of the virus have been recorded so far this year
Source and full article:    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/mosquitoes-known-carry-west-nile-1922950" rel="nofollow - https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/mosquitoes-known-carry-west-nile-1922950

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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: August 24 2018 at 2:29am

Tropical disease outbreaks are growing threat in Europe as temperatures rise

After West Nile virus kills 22 people in heatwave, experts warn of more mosquito and tick-borne diseases due to climate change

Europe is facing a growing threat of tropical disease outbreaks, as rising temperatures linked to climate change cause illnesses brought by travellers to spread more easily, health experts warned.

This summer has seen a sharp spike in West Nile virus infections in Europe, following soaring temperatures, compared with the past four years. Until the middle of August, 400 cases of the disease, which is carried by mosquitos, were recorded in Europe, with 22 fatalities, according to the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC). Countries affected include Italy, Greece, Hungary, Serbia and Romania, all of which have recorded cases of the tropical infection in the past.

The spike was due to an early start to the transmission season, caused by high temperatures followed by wet weather, conditions ideally suited to mosquito breeding, according to the World Health Organization’s regional office for Europe.

“We are all a bit taken aback about how fast these change are coming down the pipeline,” said Prof Jan Semenza, who leads on scientific assessment for the ECDC. “We are seeing more and more of these extreme weather events.”

Semenza, who studies how climate change and other global environmental changes, such as the rise in international travel, affect public health, said higher temperatures make it easier for disease-carrying vectors, such as mosquitos, to transmit disease.
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“Mosquitos and ticks are cold-blooded and are affected by higher temperatures. At higher temperatures, mosquitos replicate faster. Pathogens in the mosquito also replicate faster. Everything is speeded up and you get higher turnover, bigger populations of mosquitoes and a growing epidemic potential for viruses.”

This year, which has seen extreme weather and wildfires create havoc in Europe and beyond, has also seen increased numbers of tick-borne encephalitis in central and southern Europe. Last year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found rising temperatures, a rise in international travel and more people living near wildlife were linked to a rise in illness from mosquitos, ticks and flea bites in the US, including West Nile and dengue.

Heathrow airport. The rise in international travel and tourism brings increased risk of tropical diseases. Photograph: Andy Rain/EPA

Researchers predict the risk for transmission of dengue fever, Chikungunya and the Zika virus, could also rise in Europe as a result of climate change. All three, normally carried by Aedes aegypti mosquito, can also be transmitted by a different species,such as as the Tiger mosquito, increasingly found in European countries, including Italy and Spain and other Mediterranean nations.

The increasing prevalence of the Tiger mosquito allows for the possibility of local infection from unknown pathogens brought into Europe by travellers.

Semenza said he was concerned about the spike of West Nile fever and its implications for local transmission of other vector-borne diseases. “We have never seen so many cases of West Nile fever so early in the season. This is a dramatic increase.”

“What it means in public health terms is we need to become more concerned about blood safety. If someone returns from abroad to Europe and has a virus in their blood, the Aedes mosquito can bite them, take up the pathogen and then bite someone else.”

“We can test the blood supply for West Nile fever but we cannot test the blood supply for a pathogen we don’t know of. If the blood supply is contaminated with a pathogen, it can’t be used and the blood supply system could be paralysed.”

Southern France and Italy experienced an outbreak of Chikungunya in 2017. Semanza said there was concern about the rapid spread of the disease at the time, as it had happened in Rome, but the outbreak was contained.

He and his team have developed models to predict the highest risk of imported diseases like dengue and to avoid “catastrophic” events or outbreaks where they are unprepared. They found the risk is worst in August, September and October, when many people travel, and that 50% of passengers from areas where dengue is prevalent travel through Rome and Milan airports.

Dr Diarmid Campbell-Lendrum, the WHO’s lead on climate change, said: “We wouldn’t say a particular outbreak is attributable to climate change. But we would say that climate change is making it easier to transmit these kinds of diseases.”

Asked if we may see diseases in Northern Europe that we have never seen before, Campbell Lendrum said: “It is perfectly possible, yes. That’s not to say we won’t be able to control it. But the conditions are becoming easier for transmission.”

Rachel Lowe, an assistant professor in infectious diseases at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, who has studied the effect of climate change on disease transmission in mosquitos, has found unexpected effects.

“Mosquitos thrive in humid conditions and rainfall can increase breeding sites. But something we found is that drought conditions can also increase breeding, because of the ways people store water. We have this complicated, non-linear relationship.”

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    If someone returns from abroad to Europe with a virus in their blood, the Aedes mosquito can bite them and pass it on
    Jan Semenza, scientist

Source:    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/aug/23/tropical-disease-outbreaks-are-growing-threat-in-europe-as-temperatures-rise" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/aug/23/tropical-disease-outbreaks-are-growing-threat-in-europe-as-temperatures-rise


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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: August 24 2018 at 5:05am
The people want passport free travel,can you imagine demanding a blood sample before you enter a country,theres a massive out break of measles in Europe,

But it's not because of all the unvaccinated migrants flooding into Europe,because if you say that it's not politically correct to do so, we have an outbreak of a disease that only occurs in Africa, suddenly appearing in Victoria, eastern states of Australia.......will find link

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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: August 24 2018 at 5:08am
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-21/flesh-eating-bacteria-mornington-peninsula/8966708" rel="nofollow - http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-21/flesh-eating-bacteria-mornington-peninsula/8966708

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 18 2018 at 10:20pm
https://www.deltares.nl/en/" rel="nofollow - https://www.deltares.nl/en/ A new study (in Dutch-google translate does a great job ! https://www.deltares.nl/nl/nieuws/deltares-brengt-mogelijke-gevolgen-van-versnelde-zeespiegelstijging-voor-nederland-kaart/" rel="nofollow - https://www.deltares.nl/nl/nieuws/deltares-brengt-mogelijke-gevolgen-van-versnelde-zeespiegelstijging-voor-nederland-kaart/ ) indicates "we" may have to prepare for a sealevel-rise of up to (possibly) 3 meters by 2100. Main reason is the expected (sharp) increase of melt of Antarctica land-ice after 2050.

DJ-In my opinion climate chaos is already a very major problem NOW !!!
Drought already is effecting rivers here-so logistics by ships is getting harder. Raising funds to deal with costs for better sea-defenses will only get harder.

International trade, the global economy, is already under pressure due to climate change. Preventing these effects only work at an international level. The "Paris"agreement is to much words-not deeds....

We have this year a record breaking number of "warm-days"(+20C), 2018 already will be in the top 10 of warmest years ever.

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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: September 19 2018 at 1:34am
I think we in for a scorcher this year, we in drought all through the winter in our eastern states

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 20 2018 at 11:37am
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=CC-20180920-64719-RUS" rel="nofollow - http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=CC-20180920-64719-RUS

DJ-Arctic landice-loss is underestimated. Both in Greenland, Canada and Siberia ice is on the move high-speed.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5
4 disturbances in the Atlantic..

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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 03 2018 at 3:29pm
Climate data release again delayed by Government, FOI documents show
Exclusive by national environment, science and technology reporter Michael Slezak
Updated about an hour ago

Emissions
PHOTO: In Paris, Australia committed to reducing emissions to 26 per cent below 2005 levels by 2030. (AAP: Julian Smith)
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A report showing Australia is failing to rein in its greenhouse gas pollution was sat on for nearly two months by the Federal Government, before being released late on a Friday afternoon of a long weekend when footy finals fever and banking royal commission findings were dominating headlines, the ABC has learned.

Key points:
Australia failing to rein in greenhouse gas pollution in line with Paris agreement
Government sat on most recent emissions report for two months
Advocates accuse Government of 'hiding climate data from Australians'
The delay is revealed in documents obtained under freedom of information laws by the Australian Conservation Foundation (ACF).

The Government has released this quarterly report under similar circumstances in the past, leading to calls for it to be controlled by an agency and not politicians.

"There is a clear trend here that the Government is hiding climate data from Australians," ACF chief executive Kelly O'Shanassy said.

A spokesperson for Environment Minister Melissa Price told the ABC, "Ministers routinely and appropriately consider briefs for a period of time".

The latest report — the Department of Environment's quarterly Update of Australia's National Greenhouse Gas Inventory — showed, after adjustment for seasonal variation, in the three months of this year Australia had the highest levels of carbon pollution since 2011.

It also revealed a continuation of the trend of upward annual emissions since 2013.

And excluding controversial data about emissions from tree clearing and regrowth, Australia's emissions reached an all-time high in the 12 months to March this year.

Data sat on for seven weeks
The documents show on August 9 — seven weeks before the data's release — it was sent to the offices of both the current Environment Minister Melissa Price, in her role as assistant minister, and the then-environment minister, Josh Frydenberg, along with a ministerial briefing.

Assistant secretary of the Department of Environment Rob Sturgess said to representatives of the two offices:

"Gday. Not sure how busy you are this week … but attached is the quarterly update."

Later that month, there was a cabinet reshuffle after Scott Morrison took over as Prime Minister.

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The Australian Parliament has proven itself unable to reach consensus on climate change policy, even when the parties are close enough to touch. It's a familiar tale, writes Annabel Crabb.
And on September 6, the Department of Environment sent it again to the office of the new minister, Ms Price. Three weeks later, on a Friday afternoon, the report was publicly released.

That day was a public holiday in Victoria and preceded a long weekend in several other states marked by celebrations for the NRL and the AFL grand finals.

It was also released immediately after the banking royal commission handed down its interim report.

A spokesman for Ms Price said: "The Department of Environment and Energy provided the Minister for Environment with advice on the Quarterly Update of the National Greenhouse Gas Inventory on September 3, 2018."

In a press-release published a few days before the report was released, the Climate Council anticipated it happening at a time that would minimise attention on it.

"This has become a worryingly familiar scenario," Climate Council acting chief Dr Martin Rice said.

"The Federal Government not only delays releasing climate information, it also tries to bury it. We've seen emissions data quietly released on Christmas Eve, or on a Friday evening, at a time it's least likely to attract attention or scrutiny."

Ms O'Shanassy said it was time to take the release of the data out of politicians' hands.

"We think climate data should be treated like jobs figures and GDP figures that are released by a government agency, not politicians, so they can't hide it.," she said.

"You can imagine the uproar if they hid jobs or economic figures. But hiding climate figures is reckless because climate change is here now and affecting every Australian."

'People choose and pick their figures': PM
After the report was uploaded to a government website, the office of Ms Price sent out a media release with the subject line: "Australia on track to meet emissions targets" and headlined "emissions intensity at lowest levels for 28 years".

The release did not mention emissions had gone up, but instead focused on comparing the current figures to those from 2005 and 2000 — years when emissions were higher than they are now.

It also focused on emissions per head of population, which have declined.

New coal power is not the answer

The tipping point's been reached: the cold, hard numbers show that new renewable energy is supplying cheaper electricity than new coal-fired power plants could and will continue do so, writes Stephen Long.
Two days later, Prime Minister Scott Morrison was asked about the emissions data on the ABC's Insiders.

"I know people will want to use that one figure and ignore the fact that emissions per capita are at the lowest level in 28 years," he said.

"So people choose and pick their figures to make their political arguments. We're going to meet those in a canter, our 26 per cent target."

But the documents released under FOI laws show the "key points" highlighted by the experts at the Department of Environment and delivered to the Minister also focused almost exclusively on the rising emissions.

Ms O'Shanassy said the total figure was the only one that mattered.

"The climate doesn't care if you're pumping out less pollution per population or relative to GDP," she said.

Is Australian on track to meet Paris deal?
On Insiders, Mr Morrison repeated his earlier claim Australia was on track to meet its commitment made at the Paris summit to reduce emissions to 26 per cent below 2005 levels by 2030, "in a canter".

"All of the issues are pointing to that outcome so I'm comfortable with our 26 per cent," he said.

He was reiterating comments earlier in the month made on the ABC's 7.30 program.

"What we're seeing though is a business-as-usual approach, a technology-driven approach, which will see us, I think, more than meet our targets out to 2030," Mr Morrison said.

That view is at odds with the Government's official projections, last updated in December 2017, which show under business as usual, emissions will increase steadily all the way to 2030.


EMBED: Australia's emissions trends, 1990 to 2030
"Emissions are rising and there's no national plan to turn it around," Ms O'Shanassy said.

"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that if we don't have a plan, we're not going to meet our emission target.

"They're kicking the can down the road for the next government but in doing so they're putting lives at risk because climate change is dangerous."

Ms Price's spokesman said: "The 2017 review of climate change policy said Australia has the right mix of polices and improvements in technology.

"The Government's policies are scalable and will enable Australia to meet the 2030 target."

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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 03 2018 at 4:38pm
At least you have targets to miss.

On the other hand Trumnp's new America............................

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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 03 2018 at 4:53pm
The Earth will Abide.....without the Human's......

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: October 03 2018 at 10:40pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBLOSSV_Bu0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBLOSSV_Bu0 Yes, minister-still reflects the way politicians "solve problems" by kicking the can down the road...."we have to STOP the growth of co2"(=we go on the way we used to).

DJ-I can not help believing that-at the end-democracy becomes a facade-real power is with the shareholders, every dollar, Euro, yen or rubble counts-we are governed by the fossil fuel industry wich is supposed to be controled by a government....

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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: December 03 2018 at 2:33pm

Queensland heatwave smashes BOM November records,

Stradbroke Island keeps burning
Updated 32 minutes ago


If you thought summer had started early in Queensland this year, you were right, with temperatures hitting high 30s and into the 40s last month sending records tumbling.

The heatwave that has been gripping the state for the last several days smashed monthly records, with one city — Cairns — sweating through its hottest-ever November day, twice.

The mercury hit a scorching 42 degrees Celsius in Cairns two days in a row.

Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) climatologist Tamika Tihema said it was "significant" to see the record broken in such a way.

"It has never gotten above 42C … but to get two days in a row at that temperature was quite extraordinary," she said.

The BOM said last month was the fourth-warmest November they had recorded on average.

The heatwave caused trouble for firefighters around the state who were battling more than 100 bushfires.

Among the other towns to break their November temperature highs was Townsville, which reached 41.7C, beating its previous record of 41C, which was set in 1971.

A smokey beach on Stradbroke Island.
PHOTO: A large fire on North Stradbroke Island blankets the beaches in smoke. (ABC News: Allyson Horn)
Innisfail also recorded 41C, compared to 38.8C in November 1992.

Mount Stuart logged the highest temperature across the state for November, reaching 45.2C, on November 26.

Proserpine, Cooktown and Mackay also topped their highest recorded temperatures.

While extreme heat was bearing down on the east, the rainfall across the area was well-below average.

Ms Tihema said it was not the typical conditions they were used to at that time of year.

"You tend to see a lot of onshore flow, so you do see eastern Australia pick up some reasonable rainfall totals, but we saw the opposite this month," she said.

She said that while Queensland did get showers, they were well below what was expected this time of year.

Stradbroke Island continues to burn
A drop in wind and temperature overnight has helped firefighters battle the bushfire, which has burned through thousands of hectares on the popular tourist island.

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Replacement crews have arrived on North Stradbroke Island to relieve firefighters who have battled to keep a large blaze within containment lines.

BOM senior forecaster Michelle Berry said there were overnight storms to the west of Mackay, where fires are burning, and more rain was coming.

"We are expecting some rainfall for a number of our fire sites today so hopefully that goes some way to alleviating some of the fires that we have for the state at the moment," she said.

"We could even see some of that activity getting down to the south east tonight over that Stradbroke Island area where there's a fire continuing as well."

Cyclone Owen could bring rain
Ms Berry said Tropical Cyclone Owen, which is about 1,200 kilometres off the coast of Cairns, is expected to weaken from its category one status over the next 24 hours but could still bring much-needed rain.

"It should weaken into a low or trough and it may move west towards the east tropical and central coast later this week," she said.

"We may see some heavy falls developing about that east tropical coast in particular through Friday and into the weekend.

"It could be quite heavy if it does move far enough west towards the coast — but if it remains further offshore we won't get that moisture."

A an orange and yellow sunrise over Brisbane.
PHOTO: High temperatures are forecast for Sunday. (ABC News: Shelley Lloyd)
Deepwater residents may get to return home
Meanwhile, a slight change in conditions has seen the fire danger in central and eastern Queensland ease.

Two watch and act alerts remain current for Captain Creek and Lowmead south west of Agnes Water, but the overall threat has dropped in many areas ravaged by fire over the last 10 days.

Fire authorities will assess the possibility of allowing Baffle Creek and Deepwater residents, who have been evacuated from their homes for more than a week, to return home.

Gladstone Mayor Matt Burnett said the Local Disaster Management Group would discuss the issue at a meeting on Tuesday morning.

"After the aerial inspection last night and then the inspection this morning, again we're hoping for safe re-entry for residents and you can't put residents back into an area where fires can continually break out because of really strong winds that are moving embers and creating really strong fires," he said.

More firefighters from Canberra are also headed to Queensland later this week to help with the efforts.

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: December 03 2018 at 9:35pm
carbon20, the cases of "extreme weather" around the globe is simply to much to handle....

When I look at NW-Europe;
-The drought continues for over 200 days now, here in the Netherlands we had the warmest dec-2 ever. In some area's close to 15C almost 60F (it is supposed to be winter by now !)
-Extreme low waterlevels in many rivers cause transportation difficulties; petrolstations have to rise prices for logistics-and some of them run out of fuel.
-Low groundwater is causing the foundation of over 1 million buildings in the Netherlands to get instable. So you get cracks in walls etc.
-The drought is also making seawater moving into groundwater creating brackish water effecting possibility for agriculture in western parts of the country. (You need a lot of water to push the seawater out again)
-drought itself did effect harvest, union, patato etc is down sometimes up to 60%.

In combination with other policies https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/12/the-french-people-reject-macrons-policies-how-long-can-he-survive.html#" rel="nofollow - https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/12/the-french-people-reject-macrons-policies-how-long-can-he-survive.html# politics may get effected. Putting the bill to the poor while making the rich even more rich is creating unrest.

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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: December 04 2018 at 12:52am
what people fail to realise is,

we are in our Winter,

First day of summer was on 1 December.....

Heat is a coming,

And hot here is 45c

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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 23 2019 at 3:19pm
BBC News - How one heatwave killed 'a third' of a bat species in Australia
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-46859000" rel="nofollow - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-46859000

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 1:39am
From https://nos.nl/artikel/2271163-kustlijn-opgeven-en-het-hogerop-zoeken-dat-is-een-plan-b-bij-zeespiegelstijging.html" rel="nofollow - https://nos.nl/artikel/2271163-kustlijn-opgeven-en-het-hogerop-zoeken-dat-is-een-plan-b-bij-zeespiegelstijging.html via (more or less) google-translate;

Giving up the coastline is plan B for sealevelrise (in/for the Netherlands)

Because the consequences are so far-reaching, it is necessary that consideration is already being given to the choices that the Netherlands must make if international climate policy fails. That is what various experts say about sea level rise in Vrij Nederland.

If the world fails to prevent greenhouse gas emissions and the Paris Climate Agreement is not observed, the earth will heat up more than 1.5 or 2 degrees. This will cause the sea level to rise further and further.

"The experts have one shared concern: in the Netherlands too little thought is given to a plan B, for when the sea level rises faster than what we take into account in the Delta Program", says Vrij Nederland. A social debate about this is lacking, experts say, while it is necessary because important choices have to be made. "Not in the future, but now."

Cities on stilts

The global sea level rise has been accelerating for a number of years. The Delta Commissioner also pointed this out in a report that was sent to the House of Representatives six months ago. That report was about the consequences of sea level rise for the Netherlands. But where there is already plenty of discussion about climate measures to reduce CO2 emissions, and there is also thinking about our dikes, there is no mention of the possibility that this together is too little.

In that case, we must have a plan B available, according to the sea level experts. Consideration must be given to various options. In this way, ever higher dikes will also become wider, something that is now impossible in many places. It is also possible to create broader rivers, just like cities build on poles, or the construction of islands in the sea. And then there is another option, which nobody wants to talk about now: 'Give up the current coastline and look for it higher up.'

The sea level is rising faster and faster; the ice loss on Greenland and Antarctica is increasing and satellites are accelerating global sea level rise. The speed of that increase in the 20th century was below 2 millimeters per year, after the year 2000 it was around 3 millimeters and in recent years it has risen to 4.3 millimeters per year. How much that acceleration will continue is uncertain.

"We have to consider a controlled withdrawal over time," says polar meteorologist Michiel van den Broeke of Utrecht University. His colleague Roderik van de Wal: "In the Netherlands there is a lot of attitude that we will solve the problems with adaptation, which is a misconception." Not that accelerated sea level rise will lead to major problems in the coming decades. But for the term after that, there is a lot of uncertainty.

Glacologist Michiel Helsen, working as a climate change teacher, thinks it's time for a social discussion. "In the long run, it is possible that we can not keep the West Netherlands in. It seems to me to be useful for society to discuss which parts of the Netherlands we want to defend at what price." Roderik van de Wal adds: "If we continue like this, a large part of the Netherlands will have to be abandoned, and moving to Germany should be a topic of discussion."

Compliance with climate agreements is crucial

The experts are all convinced that compliance with the Paris Climate Agreement is crucial for the future of the Netherlands. "For its survival, the Netherlands is directly dependent on the success or failure of the current international climate policy." Nevertheless, it is currently very uncertain whether the agreements will be truly observed worldwide.

The Minister of Infrastructure and Water Management Cora van Nieuwenhuizen also believes that the fate of the Netherlands is more or less dependent on global climate agreements. She told the NOS during the last international climate conference in Poland. The minister responded to concerns that are living in Zeeland about rising sea levels.

Nevertheless, the experts think that politicians do not think enough about the long-term effects of sea level rise. "As far as I know, the government does not think much about alternatives to coastal policy for the long term, other than sand reclamation and raising dikes," says Caroline Katsman, senior lecturer in physical oceanography at TU Delft.

Dealing with uncertainties
While that is important, Marjolein Haasnoot of Deltares and author of the aforementioned report on the consequences of sea level rise for the Netherlands. For example, in the case of very large infrastructural works, a potentially large sea level rise must be taken into account.

"Time is needed for all measures, now is the time to think about it and to make a good plan. (...) When it comes to sea level policy, you have to deal with uncertainties You can not wait until you get exactly know what's going to happen, and if you're sure, it's already happening, and it could also go way too fast. "

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 1:56am
DJ-

As https://www.facebook.com/JoseBarbaNueva" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/JoseBarbaNueva keeps repeating; climate change is destroying agriculture. A major foodcrisis is already on its way. http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/02/a-horror-is-unfolding-in-australia-as.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/02/a-horror-is-unfolding-in-australia-as.html (and many others)

With politics trying to start another (oil)war, it is getting clear that "we" have to change the way politics work.

The NOS (Dutch BBC) article above suggests that moving 17.2 million Dutch to Germany trying to escape from rising sealevel has anything to do with reality.

We are already in exponential sealevelrise. There is so much heat in the oceans we can not escape from major global disaster. With http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/02/a-glimpse-of-our-future-heatwaves-in.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/02/a-glimpse-of-our-future-heatwaves-in.html etc. only being the beginning.
https://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2019/02/shocking-ice-to-south-of-novaya-zemlya.html" rel="nofollow - https://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2019/02/shocking-ice-to-south-of-novaya-zemlya.html (And massive methane release DJ-this may indicate a much faster temperature rise with also water vapor as a major greenhouse gas feedback. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/aug/01/underground-magma-triggered-earths-worst-mass-extinction-with-greenhouse-gases?" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/aug/01/underground-magma-triggered-earths-worst-mass-extinction-with-greenhouse-gases? )

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217605187739026&set=a.1873759521225&type=3&theater" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217605187739026&set=a.1873759521225&type=3&theater and
http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2019/02/extinction-alert.html" rel="nofollow - http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2019/02/extinction-alert.html
is giving a very clear message: our time is up !

Forget about "plan A", IPCC/UN "politics", forget "plan B" giving up coastlines, mass evacuations prepare for "plan C" https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/emergency-preps" rel="nofollow - https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/emergency-preps
damage-control, making priorities on how to deal with the coming crisis.

(DJ-Again I hope I am wrong, with some luck we may have a few years left in most western countries before a total collapse. Here in the Netherlands we are simply not able to deal with a cat-5 hurricane. The statistics of getting any hurricane to NW Europe were small-this is changing. )

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Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 3:04pm
Dutch Josh, the problem is that nations such as the Netherlands and Tuvalu are feeling the impact of climate change and yet they are small countries with little influence so can do nothing about it. The large countries that are only feeling the impact in certain area, aren't motivated to make changes because it's not affecting them enough to justify the social upset of change and the huge economic commitment that change requires.

As you say, the momentum is already there and climate change can't be stopped completely and in reality, I'm sorry to say, the most likely scenario is that certain bits of land will have to be abandoned, and most probably, large tracts of Holland will be part of that, particularly if sea levels keep rising.

I know that NZ is expecting to welcome the Pacific Islanders who have to abandon their islands due to rising sea levels. We are their nearest large country, so it makes sense that they come to us. I'm not sure where the Dutch will go.

As for poor old Australia, it's becoming less and less inhabitable by the year with severe temperatures, awful bush fires and a general water shortage. Unless the Aussies all move to Tasmania, I'm not sure what else they can do. But so long as they have electricity then they'll muddle through, because without aircon they'd have to leave. Temperatures were recently pushing 50 degs - that's unbelievably hot. I'm writing this in 30 degs here in NZ and it's really hot, at temps in the 40's I don't know what I'd do.

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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 3:49pm
Some Australian areas made 50*C according to our news, KiwiMum. Those kind of temperatures are more in keeping with equatorial areas.

In my opinion, things are due to get worse.

Oz could prepare for this - but it would cost a fortune. All the inhabitants would need to be costal; their houses air-conditioned and the power supplied by huge solar power plants in the hot interior. Australians are "can-do" people.

But as always,BIG MONEY runs things, not people, so it will not happen.



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 10 2019 at 12:06am
KiwiMum, Techno-thanks for reacting;

Some remarks;

-Normally discussion on climate change in the Netherlands is "global 2100"-there seems to be a growing trend to look more at the present for regional issues.
-Politics still stick to plan "A", putting money in dikes etc. For the first time there is public criticism and doubt on the effectiveness of the present programs.
-Both in Belgium, Netherlands and some other countries teenagers go to the street demanding more action on climate change from politics. It is their future !
-In the article(s) focus is still on how to deal with sealevelrise. What is kept out of the discussion(s) is that a rise of several meters by 2050 will end global economy.
-Already climate change is effecting harvests all around the globe. Here in the Netherlands drought meant that salt sea-water replaced groundwater. In some western parts of this country onions, hay etc production went down.(On the other side Dutch wines are booming.)
-There is an increase of infra structure faillures due to extreme weather.
From sinkholes to possible flooding-traffic/transport in the Netherlands is getting more problematic already.
-In the articles they picture the Dutch situation. In 1953 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953 floods brought damage over NW Europe (we did get aid meant for the Korea-War).
-Three major causes of flooding:
1 Storm surge from the Northsea
2 Extreme rainfall
3 High water levels in the rivers
(These three would often combine in extreme storms effecting a larger area)
-Four major sources of income for the Netherlands:
1 Natural gas (production =decreased due to earthquakes)
2 Agriculture (second global exporter after the US)
3 Financial "services"/tax evasion (For tax reasons IKEA, Rolling Stones are "Dutch")
4 Logistics (Rotterdam, Amsterdam-ports railway, internet and energy distribution for NW Europe)
All these are under pressure from climate change-effecting also taxation.

-Already every year billions of Euro's are spent on dikes, room for the river https://www.ruimtevoorderivier.nl/english/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ruimtevoorderivier.nl/english/ etc. The costs will increase/explode while the sources of income are decreasing.
(Most of those measures only work on a European scale, rivers come from Germany, France, Belgium into the Netherlands)

Were can the Dutch go (to put it very optimistic) ? In 1900 the German emperor claimed the Dutch were German only "we did not know it". In 1800 Napoleon claimed the Netherlands was made of mud from French rivers (Rhine, Meusse). Looking at 2000 years of history the Netherlands most of the time were part of another country-so we are "Europeans" and have to be flexible !


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: June 22 2019 at 6:54am
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Europe-Awaits-Record-Smashing-June-Heat-Wave" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Europe-Awaits-Record-Smashing-June-Heat-Wave :
Early-season heat waves are especially dangerous
Heat waves are especially dangerous when they occur early in the summer, before people have had time to adapt to the seasonal heat. A 2015 report from the World Meteorological Organization and World Health Organization on heatwaves and health notes:

“Heatwave timing appears to have a notable effect on the level of mortality. Heatwaves occurring early in the summer have been shown to be associated with greater impacts on mortality in the same population than later heatwaves of comparable or higher temperatures (Hajat et al., 2002; Kinney et al., 2008; Anderson and Bell, 2011). The impact of high temperatures later in the summer is sometimes diminished after an early heatwave.

“In Europe, heatwaves occurring in June result in relatively high mortality compared to later in the summer, while most high-mortality events in southern Asia appear to occur early in the summer before the summer monsoon."

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Europe’s biggest heat-wave catastrophe occurred in the first two weeks of August 2003. Great Britain saw its first 100°F readings in more than 300 years of recordkeeping, and similar temperatures were widespread across Europe. Adding the various national counts implies that more than 50,000 people died as a result of the 2003 European heat wave. Later estimates brought the toll as high as 70,000, though the exact number is difficult to discern. No heat wave in global history has produced so many documented deaths.

A landmark 2004 study led by Peter Stott (University of Reading) found that human-produced climate change made heat waves on par with the European disaster of 2003 about four times more likely to occur.

DJ-Although the models are different in every run-some models go for 40C+ temperatures next week in the Netherlands.

We have to wait and see how things will work out. But those kind of temperatures may become deadly. https://www.euromomo.eu/" rel="nofollow - https://www.euromomo.eu/ may give an indication of wich groups may get effected most.

When temperatures go this extreme in june they may stay extreme longer during the day since the sun will be shining longer than in August. There have been plans for taking care of elderly but spending cuts may mean a lot of elderly and people with chronic health problems may not get the extra care needed during an extreme heatwave.

Also making cities more climate-change-proof sometimes may be less effective than hoped if temperatures go this extreme. Water may cool cities in the first days but prolong the heat later on-water stays warmer longer than land.

There have been reports of trees starting to burn in Kuwait due to extreme heat-some kind of "self combustion" (spontaneous ignition) for trees, bushes, cars etc. may occur with the possible extreme temperatures.

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: June 24 2019 at 8:24pm
Proberbly heatwave related https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/netherlands-telephone-system-out-nationwide" rel="nofollow - https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/netherlands-telephone-system-out-nationwide (computers were unable to make connections-including emergency calls).

Since it was during the heatwave-with lots of people looking for medical care due to heat related problems this "disturbance" was a major problem and may have cost some lives.

Allthough the heat is less extreme (monday max 33C-today may bring 37C) a few days ago models expected temperatures above 40C for several days.

Since Thursday may be getting cooler-under 25C in the met.office area we may not even get to an "official heatwave". Saterday may bring another extreme day (37C ?).

There was also major disruption on the railways. Maybe related to the communication problem and made worse by the heat.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/national-emergency-as-u-s-farm-crops-fail-food-shortages-by-late-july-food-riots-thereafter" rel="nofollow - https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/national-emergency-as-u-s-farm-crops-fail-food-shortages-by-late-july-food-riots-thereafter and problems with drinking water may be on their way....DJ-We seem to have a heatwave plan even for cows. When it gets to hot during the day the can go outside during the night and "relax" in (cool) stables during the day.

https://www.meteoalarm.eu/" rel="nofollow - https://www.meteoalarm.eu/

http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/06/after-turbulent-storms-floods-giant.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/06/after-turbulent-storms-floods-giant.html

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: December 27 2019 at 12:39am
A recent newspaper article on a heatrecord 42,9C/107.6F and why it is "not counting". Deelen airbase is just north of my hometown Arnhem.

So it was 42.9 degrees, where did the mysterious heat in Deelen come from?,, Can't be right, we are going to examine the weather station. ”With that announcement, the KNMI deleted the insane heat record (42.9 degrees) from weather station Deelen on 25 July. It now appears: nothing was wrong with the sensor, it was really that hot. Why does the heat record of Deelen not count? Victor Schildkamp 03-12-19, 19:00 Last update: 04-12-19, 16:04

The bizarre twenty minutes on July 25 in the afternoon: what's going on in the Gelderland town of Deelen? At 1.58 p.m. the thermometer, which is already running overtime, indicates 40.7 degrees. Unbelievable. "I thought I had a heart failure", weatherman Ben Lankamp of Weerplaza will say later. And it gets even crazier: at 14:17 hrs, Deelen has passed the 42 degrees: forty-two point nine!Weather people throughout the Netherlands go crazy or don't believe it. But the KNMI speaks of an official heat record. Weerplaza has the editorial staff on the line: cramped, the weatherman on duty is looking for a meteorological explanation for the unbelievable: ,, It seems that a kind of microclimate is emerging there, we no longer measure air displacement anymore . As a result, the air warms up extremely quickly. ”It even starts to sound scary, apocalyptic. They are already absurdly hot days. Is the climate going crazy now? Does the Netherlands catch fire? And will the 50 residents of the Deelen neighborhood be the first to join?

Weerplaza.nl✔@WeerplazaThe measuring station #Deelen is briefly in the pubic area. But at airbase #GilzeRijen has just reached 39.5 degrees, that is a new #hitter record so there is no doubt about it.321: 45 PM - Jul 25, 2019Twitter Ads info and privacy25 people are talking about this

Onheilsprofeet ,, I believed it right away not already, ”says weatherman Gerrit Hiemstra, who keeps his cool. Hiemstra has been a prophet of doom for many years for the consequences of global warming. But this is simply not possible. Weatherwoman Helga van Leur tweets that the weather station has sunstroke. There are more jokes: "Deelen has used doping."After fifteen minutes, the KNMI intervenes: it is not possible, so it is not. The heat record is deleted. Weerplaza speaks of a sensor error. The KNMI is investigating.The new heat record that will ultimately be established in Gilze-Rijen on July 25th (40.7 degrees) is still standing today. And that is strange somewhere. Because why does the record of Deelen not count? In the weeks and months after that creepy 42.9 degree, the KNMI conducts extensive research into the sensors at weather station Deelen. "We even brought it to the lab and turned it completely inside out," says Charlotte Fijnaut of the KNMITo knockAnd it turns out: there has been no fire or short circuit or whatever. A technical malfunction is excluded. Weather station Deelen has just measured 42.9 degrees. However, another measuring point on the same site a few hundred meters away did not give that high value. So the KNMI stays with it: can't be right, so it's not right. The record remains deleted. But then that microclimate, and the fact that there was no more air displacement? Weatherman Marco Verhoef says that the meteorological simply cannot be explained. ,, We were almost at the maximum just before the 42-degree Van Deelen. The sun could not be any harder, the radiation was already at its maximum, all circumstances were already perfect, then such a temperature rise of a few degrees in half an hour is normal, ehm, quite unlikely. ”Lighter? The weather station in Deelen © KNMIMHuman influence? "I cannot and do not want to speculate," says Verhoef. But it was known that on those hot days in July a true competitive atmosphere was created between the 25 official weather stations in the Netherlands. In the past, an attempt had been made to influence a weather station with a rotating truck. But that is actually impossible at Deelen. The measuring station is on a military airbase, you won't get to that. Or would a funny pilot with a lighter .The answer to that question is "no," says spokeswoman Wendy Ryan of the Royal Netherlands Air Force. Deelen is only occasionally used as a training ground for helicopter flights in particular. The rest of the time there is little to do on the guarded defense site and certainly on July 25 there were no activities that could have influenced the weather measurement."In fact, the base was closed that day," says Ryan, who also finds the mystery intriguing. ,, If you have nothing to look for at that weather station, you can't get there either. Human influence on that weather station is really excluded. Everything is possible in principle, but the people who work there have taken an oath, they will not lie about it. ”No technical cause and no human error.

The argument of not giving Deelen that heat record remains unsatisfactory: it cannot be right, so it is not. Weatherman Gerrit Hiemstra shrugs it: "Measurements are always just a weak substitute for reality," he says. "It may have been warmer than 42.9 degrees in some places in the Netherlands, but if you just don't have a weather station there ..."The night after the 42.9 degrees that did not count, a temperature of 25.6 degrees was measured in Deelen. A "night record". With the same sensors that apparently functioned perfectly again. Yet a record and therefore a little revenge for that small neighborhood in Gelderland. It reinforces the idea that Deelen was also inexplicably hot during the day. However, where that heat came from that small part of the Netherlands remains unresolved.

DJ-A major problem; Deelen is an official weather station. When the data we get from official weather stations by official weather organizations like the KNMI https://www.knmi.nl/over-het-knmi/about - https://www.knmi.nl/over-het-knmi/about is not trustworthy we may be missing important information.



Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: December 27 2019 at 10:25pm
DJ-I am trying to find out more on https://www.gelderlander.nl/binnenland/het-was-dus-wel-42-9-graden-waar-kwam-die-mysterieuze-hitte-in-deelen-vandaan-br~a07dfb22/ - https://www.gelderlander.nl/binnenland/het-was-dus-wel-42-9-graden-waar-kwam-die-mysterieuze-hitte-in-deelen-vandaan-br~a07dfb22/ the 42,9 temperature in combination with coniferous forest/sandy ground. (translation in my post above this post)

-How does resin react ? Does it get more fluïd, or become an explosive gas ?

-Forests are adepted to a certain temperature range. Due to climate change "forests end up dealing"with (much) hotter conditions then previously-are forestfires a logical (and almost unavoidable) result ?

-The fire-triangle=oxygen, fuel and ignition temperature. A forest dealing with 40-45C temperatures will react in a different way then under 25-30C. How different ?

-What can be found on the climate in an overheated forest ? More methane, plant-oil/resin becoming a gas already ? And can such a changed atmosphere be moved and effect urban area's ?
(In the NSW-Sydney fires it is smoke-the result of a fire-moving into a major city. What when a mix of gasses from a forest under extreme temperatures would be moved (for example by a weatherfront) into an urban area ?

-In a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestorm - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestorm the fire is pulling oxygen from the surrounding area. How can such firestorms in coming forest-fires effect nearby urban centers ?
(During world war-2 fire storms did pull away oxygen from shelters. Thousends of people died due to lack of oxygen in shelters that were not effected by any fire in another way (than oxygen being pulled away). Can a major fire decrease the amount of oxygen, increase CO, CO2, small dust, hot particles etc. that it can cause fatalities ?

-How can a forest-fire become a "city-fire" (like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_London - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_London ? Can extreme temperatures increase the risks for forest-fires becoming a major risks for larger urban area's ? (for instance what risks do the NSW fires pose for Sydney ? )

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/why-some-plants-can-withstand-wildfires-better-than-others/432727 - https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/why-some-plants-can-withstand-wildfires-better-than-others/432727

DJ-This subject is on a "triangle" of metereology, biology and chemistry-therefore "missed" as an item for study.


Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: December 28 2019 at 1:35am
https://wildfiretoday.com/2014/03/03/eucalyptus-and-fire/


It's worth noting that in times of drought,eucalypts,

produce more oil,making them more combustible



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