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What can be done to save our pets?

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Topic: What can be done to save our pets?
Posted By: Cindy
Subject: What can be done to save our pets?
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 2:08pm
  Shocked  Why have I not heard anything about our pets? Does anyone know how we can protect them, and why there has been no discussion on a possible shot to prevent them from getting sick? 

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Cindy



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 2:15pm
Just a thought, but I would assume there are the same difficulties with having a vaccine for animals as there is for humans.  They cannot make a an effective vaccine without knowing what the virus is. 


Posted By: cv1632
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 2:20pm
It is also possible that pets (depending on the pet) could become a major facilitator of infection in a pandemic. As it is progressing, it is affecting cats, dogs, etc.

Something to consider.

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Why do some people Hate, with incredible passion, and yet without reason, consideration of fact, or any allowance for rebuttal. Father God, forgive me if I should ever be this intolerant of others.


Posted By: Cindy
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 2:26pm
   Cry  Do you think they will make us put them to sleep if they get sick?

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Cindy


Posted By: Siameselade
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 2:44pm
If they get sick the kindest thing to do is to put them to sleep.  This is not a nice way to die. You can take some precautions, keep your cats indoors only, and training your dogs to do their business in a certain area, we are thinking out using our garage for little dog. and wiping their feet.  Our Bird will never go outdoors again, until there is a vaccine. She has a beautiful outdoor aviary, that she loves.  She always gives the little sparrows heck for drinking her water.
My cats never go outdoors except on leash, so they won't have too much to adapt to


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Siam


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 2:51pm
I'm so glad I have no pets whatsoever. It must be an added worry to you all.
HD


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 2:54pm
   Smile   I don't let my cats outside either, but I have to let my Chow  Chow out to go potty. I have a Siamease cat that is 15 years old, and I worry that my dog may bring the virus in the house with him.


Posted By: JaxMax
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 2:55pm

Pandemic Flu can be contracted by both cats and dogs. In the 1918 epidemic, owners requested the police to shoot thier dogs. In Indonesia tigers at the zoo contracted H5N1 from birds they ate.My dog will occasionally kill a bird and bring it to me proudly and lay it by his dinner bowl.

The Government of Thailand documented this is a study in 2005. See Recombinomics.com, Commentary, February 14, 2006."H5N1 in Dogs and Cats"
 
In a an H5N1 pandemic dogs and cats must be eliminated. I love my dog, but humans outrank dogs.


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He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm.Proverbs 13:20, The Bible


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 3:12pm
Originally posted by JaxMax JaxMax wrote:

In a an H5N1 pandemic dogs and cats must be eliminated. I love my dog, but humans outrank dogs.
 
Of course humans outrank pets, however there will be no need to "eliminate" household pets that are quarantined safely inside homes. The only way they will be exposed is if we expose them, and in that case, we have already exposed ourselves...


Posted By: 7Strong
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 3:18pm
I also have some concerns.  I have outdoor cats (I live on a small farm) I do not want the cats in the house and am also thinking about putting them in the garage.  I don't know if that will be worse for them than having them put down.  I also have a very old house dog that will need to go out.  I suppose we will take him out on a leash but am still worried as he will be down sniffing around.....  Will this be safe?


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 3:28pm
   Shocked   I have six house cats and one dog. I have had my cat Samantha for 15 years and to me she is a member of my family, as are all of my pets. They are like children to me. I would like to take every step possible to save them.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 3:34pm
There is some good information throughout the forums regarding pets. I recommend looking in
 
http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_topics.asp?FID=42 - Pet Husbandry
http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_topics.asp?FID=4 - Pandemic Survival Tips
http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_topics.asp?FID=13 - Priority Preparations
http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_topics.asp?FID=6 - H5N1 Avian Influenza Discussion
 
for threads regarding care of our pets (Dogs, cats, etc).


Posted By: JaxMax
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 3:38pm
I certainly do not want to eliminate my dog. But he will eat birds if given the chance. And it is undisputed that dogs and cats can contract H5N1.
 
I hope I could get someone else to shoot him.
 
I really like my dog.


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He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm.Proverbs 13:20, The Bible


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 3:43pm
JaxMax, I sincerely hope that you do not need to shot your dog. Hopefully you can devise a plan that will prevent your beloved pet from having the chance to eat the birds. Please read through the forums of some of the ideas that dog owners have come up with. There are many dog owners here who really like their dogs too and have come up with some great ideas. :)


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 3:45pm
Oh my.... how I hate to read posts like yours JM.
 
I have dogs.  Dogs that I consider to be my four-legged "children" and as such I have planned and prepped for them as well. 
 
Although I do acknowledge that we will each have to make our own decision if and when the time comes.  I would just beg and plead that all pet owners NOT turn their pets out to fend for themselves.  If that means euthanasia, so be it... it is a better alternative to dumping them into an unfamiliar and impossible situation.
 
SZ


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 3:47pm
Originally posted by JaxMax JaxMax wrote:

 
In a an H5N1 pandemic dogs and cats must be eliminated. I love my dog, but humans outrank dogs.
 
 
Hey Jax  ...
 
I'm hoping you meant stray animals and animals who had H5N1 or symptoms or been exposed ????   Couldn't argue there...BUT  there are other options for pets ... although some measures are going to be expensive and difficult to maintain. 
 
And how about preparing for 3 Llamas and a baby one due in April !!!    Wacko   ARRGGGG !!!    I also have six Poms, but that's relatively easy!!!
 
I consider any ground that a bird could even  fly over to be deadly contaminated from potential bird poop  (it's everywhere, it's everywhere  !!! ).   And also any field critter could bring it in ...rabbits, field mice, deer, etc.  So I won't let any of my "kids"  (meaning animals only here; just them and me) set foot/paw on any such ground ... for at least two years !!!!   Unhappy
 
I'm working on a pretty elaborate set-up to house the llamas and to let them, my Poms ...and ME  Smile  run "outside "... sorta.
 
I've devised a plan that could be scaled down for smaller pets, and I want to share it with y'all ... but it's almost dark here ... gotta go feed said llamas.   And it's still a work in progress, so I really want input from you all.
 
I'll write later this evening.  Glad you started this thread !!!   Clap  
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 3:50pm
MizScarlett, I look forward to reading your plan! Big smile


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 3:52pm
P.S. I am going to move this thread into the Pet section of the forum, as it seems more appropriate there than the Latest News section. Please let me know if you think differently.
 
 


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 3:54pm
being the one that I am....
 
 
what would you do.....honestly...i have 2 beautiful cats and a pup....spinger spainiel.pom....2 cockatiels....hummm 5 aquruims...so if i flushed the fish to fill the tanks will water that the children and i can use am I a bad person or a good person....


Posted By: fritz
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 4:11pm
Me too Miss Scarlet. I was originally thinking baggie booties for my 3 dogs but that is 12 booties 3 times a day = 36 booties a day x 7 days a week = 252 booties a week! x 4 weeks in a month+/- = 1008 booties a month!! x 12 months = 12,096 baggie booties for one year!!!    
I can not buy 12 thousand baggies!!!
 
Enter plan B:
How about I lay a tarp down on the grass, lets say 10' x 12' and hold it in place with bricks or large stones and then uncover for dogs to do their business, pick up said business, recover to protect grass/earth from birds, bunnies and all else, and done! Any thoughts?? I think my dogs are too old to train them to go inside on paper now. I tried and they just looked at me like "What the ^$$(^&^. ?" They are very good comunicators, I just wish I was as good. lol
C'mon we can solve this one. They're depending on us!   fritz :>}


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"I am only one; but still I am one, I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do." -- Hellen Keller


Posted By: Siameselade
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 4:19pm
LOL

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Siam


Posted By: Ironstone
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 4:23pm
I have a very small dog and both he and i like going out of doors.  I have purchased sprinkler pipes and the glue for them to make us a covered area by the french doors but could move it to a slider.  Enough plastic to cover the top and net screening all the way down to the patio floor.  I plan on keeping that brick area scrubbed with bleach water to clean up after him (do that anyway) so we will have an outdoor area that will be inexpensive and useable.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 4:26pm
Muskrat, I say eat the fish rather than flushing them (if safe to do so)... and no, I dont think you are a bad person.
 
Fritz, I love the idea about the tarp.
 
I came across something a while ago that was also interesting... here is the link http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1106 - http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1106


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 6:30pm
I was thinkin of a dog run in my yard with a TARPE COVER.  tHE FENCING CAN BE THE CHEAP KIND.   i THOUGHT IF i CLEANED IT DAILY WITH A DILUTED BLEACH SOLUTION IN A SPRAY CONTAINER.     i MIGHT PUT A TARPE BOTTON  AS  IT WOULD BE CHEAP AND EASY TO CLEAN.


Posted By: Siameselade
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 6:37pm
why not cover it with the tarpe?

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Siam


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 7:47pm
Cindy, do you have a patio or runway? Something that could be covered completely from the top and wire-screened on the sides. Would give your dog access to outside and protect him and you.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 11:01pm
Get a tent, the biggest you can find (used/new/whatever), pitch it, and cut the floor out of it.... instant outdoor shelter!!! and it allows the pet to have access to the grass/ground. Of course, the grass will die after a while, but at least it should be safer.


Posted By: Enumclaw,WA
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 5:56am

We have 3 German Shorthaired Pointers. We had 4 but our oldest who was also our first we had to put down in October. I trained her for hunting from the time she was a baby. She was our hunting companion and dear friend. Getting rid of the other 3 which we have also trained from puppies after what we went through in October is not an option. The 2, 3 year olds are our 6 year olds pups. These dogs have to run. So run they will. We have a fenced back yard Ĺ Acre. They will run there under supervision. Iím not going to be paranoid about bird droppings on the ground. If  I get that paranoid then I would worry about the mice, spiders, ants, bugs, Etc. that will still get into your house. They could have the virus on there feet. If you get rid of all your catís then there will be a mouse explosion like you have never seen. I plan on keeping my cats inside and putting lotís of mouse traps on the outside. If a cat getís out it is now an outside cat. Our dogís feet will be wiped off with disinfectant when they come in from outside. Our dogs are our children. If  I canít have my children then you might as well just shoot me. This is non negotiable. Period. Dead



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 6:36am
We are going to take care of the dogs the same as we take care of each other.  Between myself and my son's family we have 4 dogs. 2 are pretty old but we think we can get them to go on paper (we have started saving newspapers) if we put some of their waste on newspaper to get them started.  I think we can make that work.  I like the tent idea, though I don't know how to secure the walk to the tent.  I don't want to walk on anything that can't be washed down with bleach.


Posted By: Just a Nurse 2
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 7:01am
While you're thinking about wiping of the puppies feet when they come inside, don't forget to leave your own "outdoor" shoes outside in a protected place.  They think the bird flu that hit the turkey farms in Israel could have come in on farm equipment, or people, right??
 
"According to the officials, the disease apparently came from Sinai via people who visited Egypt and carried the virus back with them on their shoes, clothing or personal effects. At least one such person was then apparently employed by the turkey farms where the virus first erupted - possibly as a supplier of food or equipment, or as a driver who transported the birds to the slaughterhouse - and he transmitted the virus to these birds"
 
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/696514.html - http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/696514.html


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 9:57am
  Smile  The tent idea sounds like a good idea! I do have a deck, but I think it would be hard to put a cover over it.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 10:03am
Love the tent idea I will be copying it pronto  simple convenient doable


Posted By: Amethyst
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 10:12am
I have a gecko.  I am hoping to be able to take care of her during a pandemic, but honestly if it gets to be a really bad situation, I'd probably just let her go.  That would be my absolute last resort option though, and I'd only do it if society gets to the point where there is no or very little social order left.
 
I know they can go for a week or two without food, since they store fat in their tails.  The type of gecko I have is a leopard gecko.  They're insectivores and won't eat food unless it's moving.  I normally feed her mealworms.
 
Water is another issue, though.  I will prep for her water as well when TSHTF.   They cannot drink straight tap water because the chlorine makes them sick, so you either have to purify it or get bottled water. 


Posted By: gpolson
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 10:17am
We recently launched the
Pet Bird Flu Information Center
http://virtualpet.com/birdflu - http://virtualpet.com/birdflu
 
with full coverage of background information, preparation, prevention and breaking news of bird flu in pets. I think you will find it very helpful.
 
gary polson
polson enterprises
 


Posted By: fritz
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 11:57am
Hi all, Very nice website gpolson!! I will read it all later. Thank you.
 
I love the idea of the tent!! Great idea! They have these sun tents, not camping tents, where they have a top and minimal sides, if any, then you could put some netting across the sides maybe. The walk to the tented/tarped area is an issue if you have large dogs. I have 2 little ones (chinese crested powder puffs) and 1 big standard poodle. I guess one of us could carry him (not fun....70#s) but I thought we could just pour the bleach disinfecting solution over the walk to get to the area, just before he goes on it. Dunno. I have to really read more of gpolson's sight. I just took a quick glance. Does anybody know how much bleach (bleach to water ratio) to use to make it effective but not harmful to the animals? All I know is that the alcohol gel is drying out my hand like mad!! I can only imagine what bleach will do to my dogs foot pads. OUCH!
TTFN fritz :>}


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"I am only one; but still I am one, I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do." -- Hellen Keller


Posted By: Siameselade
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 12:13pm
Good website for cat and dog owners

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Siam


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 3:55pm

Wonderful job on compiling all the information Gary, thanks for sharing!



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 8:35pm
i like the tent idea and am thinking  of putting one up for myself beside it with a sun roof  that can be put up and down.  cant live without real sunshine daily


Posted By: Hydrangea
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 11:37pm
Very informative website. It answered a question I had intended to post here about cat food. Almost everything my cats eat contains poultry. It would be horrible to feed my kitty-girls BF tainted food and then hear about a recall. According to the website "most commercial cat foods are cooked above temperatures required to kill H5N1 virus." Of course I still plan to stock up on kitty food and the sooner I do it the better.

My 4 cats are all indoor-only. They enjoy sitting by the screened back door watching birds flutter around feeders. For now feeding the birds has stopped. My only other immediate concern is caring for one of my two 19-year-olds who has chronic renal failure. I absolutely have to get over my fear of needles- very large needles- and learn to administer the lactated Ringers that she now receives by subcutaneous drip twice a week at the vets' office. Not only do I worry about her picking up a BF infection from other animals, especially when it first appears, but I wonder about the supply of Ringers which is also used to hydrate humans. If there were to be a pandemic I'm sure that the humans would have priority.



Posted By: flick
Date Posted: March 29 2006 at 5:47am
The tent idea is fab! I have an old one I can use and that will solve the doggie problem as far as letting them outside(I have 4) Thanks!
 
AS far as keeping their feet clean, Dog "booties" are easy to make.
I am working on a pair now.  They can be hand or machine sewn depending on your skill level.You can using baby training pants, the kind with terrycloth on the inside and plastic on the outside.  The training pants are waterproof and should last thru multiple sanitizing.
Cut out a circle roughly the size of your dogs foot.
gather up and add elastic around the edges to make a little "bag".   The terrycloth goes on the inside. Make sure you measure the base of your dogs leg right above the foot and deduct a quarter of that size for the length of elastic you need.plan to use the booties for outside and then remove them after they go out. also plan to drop the used booties off in a pan of bleach and water solution to soak.  Dry them out and use them again. Make more than one set for your dog so you can rotate them.


Posted By: flick
Date Posted: March 29 2006 at 5:52am
I forgot to add:
To attach the elastic;
You can either make a casing for it; fold over a 1/4 inch (dont forget to add this to your initial measurement)   sew the bottom seam  of the hem leaving a small opening to thread the elastic thru. thread the elastic with a safety pin thru the casing .pull to tighten the elastic and sew the elastic together.
Or just use the zigzag on the machine.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 29 2006 at 6:14am
I put booties on my Australiain Shep. .... he's allergic to the 'rust' that grows on our grass for a couple of weeks each summer .... I use INFANT BABY Socks! You can buy pkgs of 6 or 8.  Look for the tight fitting ones and then you can just wash them in a bleach mix, if you buy white.  They work great. 


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 30 2006 at 6:13pm
ReadyMom thanks for the great idea! I've been wondering
how to protect my dog. I have a Great Dane, so the tent
idea is out, and going on papers in the house is not an
option!


Posted By: GrizzlyGirl
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 12:39am
Originally posted by Enumclaw,WA Enumclaw,WA wrote:

We have 3 German Shorthaired Pointers. We had 4 but our oldest who was also our first we had to put down in October. I trained her for hunting from the time she was a baby. She was our hunting companion and dear friend. Getting rid of the other 3 which we have also trained from puppies after what we went through in October is not an option. The 2, 3 year olds are our 6 year olds pups. These dogs have to run. So run they will. We have a fenced back yard Ĺ Acre. They will run there under supervision. Iím not going to be paranoid about bird droppings on the ground. If  I get that paranoid then I would worry about the mice, spiders, ants, bugs, Etc. that will still get into your house. They could have the virus on there feet. If you get rid of all your catís then there will be a mouse explosion like you have never seen. I plan on keeping my cats inside and putting lotís of mouse traps on the outside. If a cat getís out it is now an outside cat. Our dogís feet will be wiped off with disinfectant when they come in from outside. Our dogs are our children. If  I canít have my children then you might as well just shoot me. This is non negotiable. Period. Dead

Be careful what you wipe you dog's feet with because alot of disinfectants are highly toxic to dogs and small amounts can cause liver or kidney failure fairly quickly. ANother option would be to make disposable bootie for your dogs out of baggies and baby booty socks. Just put the baggies on their feet (cut any ziploc off) and then secure it on their feet with a baby bootiy. This way they will still be able to romp and when they come in all you do is drop the booties in some bleach water to ruese again and throw away the used baggies. Hope this helps.


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Posted By: fritz
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 7:11am
Vet says a 30:1 bleach solution should do the job to disinfect doggie feet. I do like the baby bootie idea and I will go get some this week and try them on them. This still does require purchasing a whole lot of baggies!! I'm gonna watch for the sales on the store brand kind!!

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"I am only one; but still I am one, I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do." -- Hellen Keller


Posted By: Mississipp Mama
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 8:58pm
  Hi Justme, thanks for the tent idea I will be looking for one soon.  I had been racking my brains over how to protect our dogs.  With your idea, I don't have to try and build anythings.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 6:11am

I thinkyou should test the baggie-bootie combo idea, first --- make sure they won't slip off their paws. With the baggie being on first, the innter layer will be slippery.  I've got both, here @ home, but I'm sitting here reading this.  I'll give it a try, this morning.  You would need to make sure you have nice tight infant socks to stop the slipping!-k



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 8:20am
Originally posted by Enumclaw,WA Enumclaw,WA wrote:

We have 3 German Shorthaired Pointers. We had 4 but our oldest who was also our first we had to put down in October. I trained her for hunting from the time she was a baby. She was our hunting companion and dear friend. Getting rid of the other 3 which we have also trained from puppies after what we went through in October is not an option. The 2, 3 year olds are our 6 year olds pups. These dogs have to run. So run they will. We have a fenced back yard Ĺ Acre. They will run there under supervision. Iím not going to be paranoid about bird droppings on the ground. If  I get that paranoid then I would worry about the mice, spiders, ants, bugs, Etc. that will still get into your house. They could have the virus on there feet. If you get rid of all your catís then there will be a mouse explosion like you have never seen. I plan on keeping my cats inside and putting lotís of mouse traps on the outside. If a cat getís out it is now an outside cat. Our dogís feet will be wiped off with disinfectant when they come in from outside. Our dogs are our children. If  I canít have my children then you might as well just shoot me. This is non negotiable. Period. Dead

I am so very glad to hear that you are comitted to your dogs. I feel the same way about my cats. But, please, don't forget to wipe down their coats with anti-bacterial wipes after they have been outside. Same thing as taking off your clothes.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 8:34am
Originally posted by Hydrangea Hydrangea wrote:

Very informative website. It answered a question I had intended to post here about cat food. Almost everything my cats eat contains poultry. It would be horrible to feed my kitty-girls BF tainted food and then hear about a recall. According to the website "most commercial cat foods are cooked above temperatures required to kill H5N1 virus." Of course I still plan to stock up on kitty food and the sooner I do it the better.

My 4 cats are all indoor-only. They enjoy sitting by the screened back door watching birds flutter around feeders. For now feeding the birds has stopped. My only other immediate concern is caring for one of my two 19-year-olds who has chronic renal failure. I absolutely have to get over my fear of needles- very large needles- and learn to administer the lactated Ringers that she now receives by subcutaneous drip twice a week at the vets' office. Not only do I worry about her picking up a BF infection from other animals, especially when it first appears, but I wonder about the supply of Ringers which is also used to hydrate humans. If there were to be a pandemic I'm sure that the humans would have priority.

OH, hon, you go to a vet twice a week for the drip?? Goodness, it it so easy to do yourself, you'll save yourself a fortune!!!! Please, have your vet show you how!! The nice thing is, that you can stock up on supplies for your pet. The vet will give extra needles, they can also be re-used by soaking them in bleach for at least 10 minutes. You will need extra ringers, but since your baby only gets about 100cc's daily, if that much, one last's for quite a while. Find out from your vet how he/she stores them and then figure how how many you will need for the period of time you're prepping for and then add some. You're absolutely correct, ringers will disappear!!!!
As far as your fear of needles - I don't mean to hurt your feelings at all or be rude - but, suck it up! We're all going to have to deal with stuff that scares us. Don't forget the old definition of fear : False Evidence Appearing Real! I'm uncomfortable with needles too, but what's there to be afraid off? They're not going to attack you!!Wink 


Posted By: GrizzlyGirl
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 3:45pm
Originally posted by fritz fritz wrote:

Vet says a 30:1 bleach solution should do the job to disinfect doggie feet. I do like the baby bootie idea and I will go get some this week and try them on them. This still does require purchasing a whole lot of baggies!! I'm gonna watch for the sales on the store brand kind!!
 
Try places like Walmart, K-Mart, Target and the Dollar Stores. They may not be "Ziploc" but they will definitley do in times of need for dog booties. I found some at a local grocery outlet and they were alot cheaper than the grocery store. Also, make a run to Costco or Sam's club (or maybe even a restaurant supply store) where you can buy baggies in bulk quantities. This should stock you up with plenty of baggies for your pets.


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Posted By: GrizzlyGirl
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 3:51pm
[QUOTE=ReadyMom]

I thinkyou should test the baggie-bootie combo idea, first --- make sure they won't slip off their paws. With the baggie being on first, the innter layer will be slippery.  I've got both, here @ home, but I'm sitting here reading this.  I'll give it a try, this morning.  You would need to make sure you have nice tight infant socks to stop the slipping!-k

I have a Chow/Husky/shepherd mix and she weighs approximately 75 lbs. I fashioned "baggie'booties for her and since she is bigger, baby socks work great at holding the baggie on her feet. If the booties aren't big enough, get preemie socks and if they are too small, get toddler ones. Also, another quick tip to note is to keep their toenails trimmed. I had to trim my dogs' nails before the baggie booties worked well because her toenails kept poking holes in the baggie. I have noticed now that her nails are trimmed blunt, the baggie has held up. As far as the slippery-ness if you secure the baggie on the dogs feet with a cotton type baby bootie sock, then the sock prevents it from being slippery. Another thing you can try is getting the baby socks that have stciky soles to keep baby from slipping on the floor. Of course these booties may be tto big for anyone who has a small dog.


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Posted By: Evergreen
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 4:09pm
Know just what ya mean. I've been giving my 18-yr-old Ringers daily since last June. If you get 18 or 19 guage needles, it seems to be okay for him. Smaller size needles mean a super s-l-o-w drip that gets him antsy after a time. I, too, was squeemish about needles. I just had to "bite the bullet" a couple of times to insert the needle and my cat didn't wince at all. I still don't like inserting the needle, but he seems to tolerate it pretty well and he feels so much better afterwards. Also, I order a case of Ringers from my vet (got a 10% discount) and a couple of the IV assemblys that need to be changed out every 2 Ringers. I agree with your concern, it could very well be that Ringers might be in short supply. I'm going to order another case right away. Thanks for the heads up.

Originally posted by Hydrangea Hydrangea wrote:

Very informative website. It answered a question I had intended to post
here about cat food. Almost everything my cats eat contains poultry. It
would be horrible to feed my kitty-girls BF tainted food and then hear
about a recall. According to the website "most commercial cat foods are
cooked above temperatures required to kill H5N1 virus." Of course I
still plan to stock up on kitty food and the sooner I do it the better.

My 4 cats are all indoor-only. They enjoy sitting by the screened back
door watching birds flutter around feeders. For now feeding the birds
has stopped. My only other immediate concern is caring for one of my
two 19-year-olds who has chronic renal failure. I absolutely have to
get over my fear of needles- very large needles- and learn to
administer the lactated Ringers that she now receives by subcutaneous
drip twice a week at the vets' office. Not only do I worry about her
picking up a BF infection from other animals, especially when it first
appears, but I wonder about the supply of Ringers which is also used to
hydrate humans. If there were to be a pandemic I'm sure that the humans
would have priority.



    

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Posted By: Evergreen
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 4:17pm
   Femvet wrote: ...."The vet will give extra needles, they can also be re-used by soaking them in bleach for at least 10 minutes."

I just learned something. I can soak needles in bleach, WOW! Can I soak the drip assembly, too? The only thing about the needles is that they will get dull - bummer. Thanks for the information.

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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: May 23 2006 at 8:03pm
I'm getting confused about the wild bird thing. If the flu mutates to easily infect people it will then be a human flu. Different than the H5N1 that the birds are spreading around. So we'll only be able to get it from other people, not wild birds except in rare cases that don't spread. And, dogs and other animals only very, very rarely if ever get human flus. Only if the human form is somehow transmitted back to wild birds will other birds catch and spread it, and that doesn't seem likely. The only flu virus that dogs have ever caught is the new dog flu that they got from horses. There is one case of possible H5N1 in one dog. Think of all the dogs and cats that have eaten raw infected poultry and so very few of them have caught it and certainly never passed it to people.
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Am I missing something? I thought I was pretty well read on this subject so this has me confused.


Posted By: Proudest Monkey
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 7:31am

Quote If the flu mutates to easily infect people it will then be a human flu. Different than the H5N1 that the birds are spreading around. So we'll only be able to get it from other people, not wild birds except in rare cases that don't spread.


If a pandemic occurs, wild birds will be the least of my concerns.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 2:08pm
 I read in the news earlier today that somewhere in the East that a family of seven lost six of their family to Avain Flu, caught from person to person. Not too sure, but I think it has began.


Posted By: Merivel
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 9:12pm
    Hi, I believe dogs cannot get the virus, only cats. and no need to expose the pets to germs, let them go on papers during the times of quarantine. i am going to keep my pets existence a secret from any authorities if they start to have rules about cats like they do about chickens being euthanized. dogs are our best friends, they wouldn't be wanting us put down even though we are carriers of the disease.

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Posted By: koolsteve
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 12:11am
An interesting thing to think about, that i have been thinking about, is if the BF dosn't wipe out humanity, it may kill off several species that didnt get vaccinated, causing a chain reaction of events inthe food chain. Think about it, if it kills too many birds, theyll be 100x as many worms , bugs etc. than before, if it kills too many cats theyll be 100x rats and mice than before, wich are very good at spreading diesase. iuse your imagination and think about this.

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Posted By: GingerSnap
Date Posted: January 07 2007 at 3:14pm
Influenza can be successfully treated homeopathically.  Doesn't matter whether it is a person or a dog or a cat.  It does require you learn how homeopathy works, but it is a ready answer to the concern some may have of what to do if their furfriend gets sick.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 2:20am
Originally posted by Cindy Cindy wrote:

  Shocked  Why have I not heard anything about our pets? Does anyone know how we can protect them, and why there has been no discussion on a possible shot to prevent them from getting sick? 
Hi  some info for pet owners and vets on next thread down http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=14087 - http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=14087    its a longish post here is a little..................  this is from March 2006 from FAO .Protection etc ....
 

Recommendations
Areas where H5N1 HPAI has been diagnosed or is suspected in poultry or wild birds:

Report to the local veterinary authority any evidence of significant bird mortality both wild and domestic
Be especially vigilant for any dead or sick cats and report such findings to the local vet
Make sure contact between cats and wild birds or poultry (or their faeces) is avoided and/or keep cats inside
If cats bring a sick or dead bird inside the house, put on plastic gloves and dispense of the bird in plastic bags for collection by local veterinary animal handlers
Keep stray cats outside the house and avoid contact wit them
If cats show breathing problems or nasal discharge, a veterinarian should be consulted
Do not touch or handle any sick-looking or dead cat (or other animal) and report to the authorities
Wash hands with water and soap regularly and especially after handling animals and cleaning their litter boxes or coming in contact with faeces or saliva
Dogs can only be taken outside the premises if kept restraint
Do not feed any water birds
Disinfect (e.g. with bleach 2-3 %) cages or other hardware with which sick animals have been transported or been in contact with.
Wash animal blankets with soap or any other commercial detergent


http://www.fao.org/ag/AGAinfo/subjects/en/health/diseases-cards/avian_cats.html#back"> back


Avian influenza in other animal species
Hosts: Wildbird hosts for H5N1 in order of importance are probably Anatidae (ducks, geese, swans), Charadriiform (gulls and shorebirds) and Passeriform (sparrows and starling). Lately swans have been found infected with H5N1 in a number of European countries (e.g. Austria, Germany, France and Romania, etc.). In poultry, both aquatic and terrestrial species become infected but the virus is particularly aggressive in chicken.

Carnivores: can become infected, after consuming infected poultry that succumbed to the disease. To date no H5N1 clinical cases of dogs have been reported but in an unpublished study carried out in 2005 by the National Institute of Animal Health in Bangkok, researchers tested 629 village dogs and 111 cats in the Suphan Buri district of central Thailand. Out of these, 160 dogs and 8 cats had antibodies to H5N1, indicating that they were infected with the virus or had been infected in the past. An eqiune virus has recently shown up in dogs. This inter-species re-assortment is not uncommon for type A influenza viruses.

Pigs are known ďĄmixing vesselsĒ for different influenza virus subtypes and therefore present a risk for avian influenza virus re-asserting with a human influenza virus into a strain more apt to infect humans. Regarding the present H5N1 subtype, studies conducted in pigs in Vietnam yielded 8 animals out of the 3000 investigated pigs seropositive. None of the animals had any clinical signs and it was not possible to isolate any virus

Ruminants appear at lower risk. So far no cattle have been identified as carrying any influenza type A virus. Horses are susceptible to Influenza viruses but so far mainly H3N8 have been identified. Regular vaccination is carried out. Experimentally mice can be infected but their role in natural transmission has not been established.

Public health implications
Humans and other mammals need to come in contact with large amounts of virus to become infected. In case of an infection with H5N1, mammals and humans apparently only shed small amounts of virus, contributing to reduced risk of spread among themselves. Recent data from experimentally infected catsí evidenced extra-respiratory replication of the H5N1 and excretion of virus in faeces of cats need to be taken into consideration. Hygienic practices need to be re-enforced, frequent washing of hands with water and soap especially after handling animals, cleaning cat litter boxes as well as before and after the preparation of food.

Occupational health and safety
Veterinarians and their staff are specifically at risk of coming into contact with infected cats, in case the disease becomes more widespread among this species. Normally, veterinarians and their staff engage in frequent hand washing and disinfect examination tables and instruments to reduce the general risk of disease transmission among their patients and to protect the persons present in the consultation room from eventual exposure.

Advice for veterinarians
The following is advised for veterinarians:

Advice to pet owners (see above)
Be ware of possibility to receive (sick) cats infected with H5N1
Take hygienic measures when handling sick cats (gloves and surgical masks)
Take deep oro-pharyngeal swabs of suspected animals (e.g. animals with respiratory problems) and sent them to the laboratory clearly indicating the type of examination requested Support cases to be reported to veterinary authorities
Inform owners of suspected animals and provide them with clear and practical information, avoiding creating any panic among cat owners or the general public.
Provide veterinarians are advised to contact the Veterinary Authorities in their respective countries for specific instructions

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/avianflu/readings/index.html - http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/avianflu/readings/index.html




Posted By: ShaRenKa
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 5:34pm
I just lost my best friend/companion "Chris" just a mo ago;( He was a 8 1/2 yr old long coat Chiuahuah, and one sunday, I put him out in the kenel for 2 hrs along with our ****z zu "Gizmo" to get air. He seemd fine! Just a little reluctant to go in the kennel, but with a lil coaxing, he went in. 2 hrs later I went out to get them, and there he layed, dead;( He was just at vet not a mo prior for exam and his rabies shot..all was fine. A long time owner of dogs, I have no clue as to what what wrong. The other dog shows no signs at all of being sick, so I ruled out anything contageous. I miss my companion/friend dearly... and sometimes weigh heavily with guilt, wondering if I could have done something had I not put him outside that day. I didn't have an autopsy done..maybe I should of..I don't know. But it has made me rethink more on the care of "Gizzy" during a pandemic..what I will need for her ect...I thought i'd put a 6x6 ft kennel we used for camping down in the basement for her...and would change paper on the floor as needed, so she wouldnt have to go outside. And have stockpiled 3-20 lb bags of food, treats ect as well.Anyone else have any other suggestions here?

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Posted By: johngardner1
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 6:12pm
    I'm sorry you lost your doggy. I have a half min-doberman half chihahua

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Posted By: fab4
Date Posted: April 27 2008 at 5:16pm
One thing I am going to do for our pets is first, they all come in.  I am collecting newspapers for one - for the dogs to go on, and also I will use shredded newspapers in place of kitty litter.   I have some kitty litter but not enough $ to stock up on it. 
 
Here's my idea of a dog/cat area outside.   I have a pool outside our back door with a high fence.  I bought bird netting to cover the top and all sides.   The main reason is I have one cat who loves to explore and brings back presents of small animals every time he goes out.    I put in the net to try and keep him contained somewhat.  It won't be easy, we'll still have to watch him carefully.   The area is mostly concrete.  It can be cleaned/hosed down and there is a small garden patch the pets can roll around in.   This is an area that is not easily visible, and will also be a place we do any cooking outside. 
 
 
 


Posted By: SusanT
Date Posted: April 29 2008 at 8:46am
I'm not overly concerned about my dog getting infected. To be on the safe side, I think I will use a diluted bleach solution on her paws after being outside if BF is found in the states. If I had a cat, I would be worried about it catching an infected bird and eating it. For me, it is more the H2H2H virus I am afraid of, in which case I do not believe domestic animals will be a factor - it will be people I will fear.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 30 2008 at 12:32pm
In case of evacuation:
On the outside of the container list:
your pet's name
your name and address and telephone number
and out of state emergency telephone number
 
For each pet have your carrier already stocked with:
a collar
a leash
a current shot record.
1 gallon jug of water
blanket to lay on
toy
canned food
manual can opener
Separate Food and Water bowl
any special medications


Posted By: crazzycat
Date Posted: July 17 2009 at 2:03am
Thanks for your recommendationsSmile

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Posted By: missamor
Date Posted: December 28 2011 at 4:32am
Thank you for advices. First of all i won't let my cat go out.

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Posted By: toms02
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 12:36am
For me one of the best way to do it is to take them always in veterinarian and love them.



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