Wonder if the mist for 4 strains works?

Will be interesting to see if the cdc and medical community start pushing for people to get the flu vaccine this year knowing it's worthless.  They hype it pretty good each year.  Now, if they do it this year, then I would definitely agree with fraud.   Let's see what happens....  I suppose we will have to do the first ever class action suit in that case.  

It's the wrong flu shot, I think they are full of it saying getting the wrong shot will help.  

what would be interesting to see after this flu season is the increase in the number of cases this year as compared to the previous years, with no vax.  Will be comical if there is virtually no increase in cases.   Big money involved in hyping flu shots. 

Here in the UK it is obvious (from our personal experience) that the flu jab has a LIMITED effect.  It definitely shortened, and reduced the severity, of the flu WillobyBrat experienced, compared to myself.  It did not prevent it.

This leads me to hypothesise that the vaccine was correct when formulated.  But since production the flu has drifted somewhat away from the antigens produced by this vaccine.  Flu does that, it just did it faster this time.

I don't have a big enough test sample to produce a proper theory but the guess is based on some real evidence.

How Effective Are Flu Shots?

It varies greatly year to year.

By Brian Resnick

December 8, 2014 This year's flu vaccine is not as effective as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had hoped.

CDC and the United Nations' World Health Organization make their annual predictions for the North American flu season in February to give pharmaceutical companies time to ramp up production of that formula. In March, a variant of the virus CDC and WHO had targeted also began to appear. But by then, it was too late to include the variant in vaccines. Now, "roughly half of the H3N2 viruses analyzed are drift variants," CDC said in a statement last week. The current vaccinations still offer some protection, but they will be less effective against this altered strain. Compounding the problem: H3N2 strains tend to be particularly harsh among older populations. A bad flu season may be underway.

The two organizations do their best to predict which strain of the flu will come to infect the most people during the flu season. But it's just that—a guess.

A 2011 meta-analysis in the journal Lancet: Infection found significant variation in vaccine effectiveness season-to-season. Analyzing placebo-controlled studies of the two most common types of flu vaccines over the past 20 years, the authors concluded that "evidence for consistent high-level protection is elusive for the present generation of vaccines." Overall, the efficacy for the most common type of flu vaccine used in adults is around 59 percent. In a good year, reports the Los Angeles Times, a flu vaccine can be 70 percent effective. Last year's crop was around 50 percent effective.

According to Science Based Medicine—a blog that plays watchdog over pseudoscience on the Internet (they have a lot of work to do)—this year the flu vaccine will protect against 57 percent of the strains circulating in the population. "Unfortunately, until there is a universal vaccine that targets the parts of the virus that don't mutate so rapidly, the flu vaccine will always be suboptimal," Science Based Medicine writes.

So should you still get a flu shot? Yes. Even though the formula is not a perfect match, it will likely help lessen the severity of the illness. And other than the needle prick, it won't hurt.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/health-care/just-how-effective-are-flu-vaccines-anyway-20141208

jdljr1 wrote:     I am preparing my own defenses, starting with my standing emergency 8 oz. bottle of Elderberry Extract I always have in my refridgerator.

    My home state of New York just reported minutes ago flu doubling up to the "Widespread" level.  Our neighbor Connecticut just upgraded to "Regional" which is just below us.

So now CDC in the weekly report admits that the percentage of mutated vaccine resistant H3N2 is now 67.5 %,  Oh, how I hate always being right.  Or at least very close.  

My pregnant daughter (13 weeks) is a nurse who had the flu shot. During her weekend shift, she cared for a patient with Influenza A (she didn't know the particular strain) and now has influenza symptoms. :(. She has body aches, fever that will not go down (even with Tylenol - staying around 101.5) and a cough/chest congestion. She cared for her patient Fri, Sat and Sun -'and on Monday developed symptoms. She is waiting for her OB to open at 8:30 to talk with them. Her 2 yo son (vaccinated) and my 18 yo daughter (not vaccinated) spent the day out shopping yesterday. So now I am waiting for this flu to sweep through my whole family. My hubby and I have been vaccinated...not that it will do much good with this year's viral drift:(

So what are the thoughts of this group on Tamiflu in early pregnancy? I think I will be Lysoling my house daily this week.

My apartment complex's assistant manager was lysoling the whole main office when I came in to pick up a package. She said a man came in coughing all over everything and it made her uncomfortable. Could barely breathe in thee office with all that lysol in the air.

Ok guys, we are all pretty knowledgeable here and we all know that the flu mutates, and that these flu shots are made 6-9 months before the flu season.

These companies and the CDC do their best to match the flu strains. It is not their fault that a specific strain mutates enough to make the shot not viable for that strain.   

Give me a break, I would rather have the flu shot. I was so sick in September with E68 I though I was going to die and at 65 do not want to get the flu and die so I do the flu shot.

The person I work with had a friend that was sick like me for 3 weeks and he did not go to the Doc. Finally got so sick went to the emergency room and he died while getting help.

I will get Tamiflu ASAP if I get the flu. But please don't hate on people who really are trying to help and yes they make money at it so sue me. The flu shot is better than nothing. I know I lived through Polio epidemic lucky I did not get it, had the hard measles and almost died, and had chicken pox so bad that I was more red than skin color. Vaccines are a good thing.

 I am sorry, but the CDC is full of it and they are in bed with the big drug companies.  Decades ago a near extinct flu called A-Texas H1N1 escaped from a Chinese lab in the fall,  soon began to replace the then dominant flu strain.  A decision was made, despite that back then the process was if anything even slower, not to make big pharma throw out millions of useless doses of vaccine, but instead to rush into production a new vaccine.  This added vaccine arrived in late December and early January and I rushed to take it.  Good thing too, as like now, the A-Texas of that year began to completely replace the prior flu,  This is happening now.  And the new vaccine back then worked.