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    Posted: December 04 2018 at 1:54pm
Khashoggi murder: Saudi crown prince crazy, says US senator
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Media captionLindsey Graham: 'There's not a smoking gun, there's a smoking saw'
US senators say they are more certain than ever after a private CIA briefing that the Saudi crown prince had a role in the murder of a journalist.

In a blistering attack, Senator Lindsey Graham said he had "high confidence" Mohammed bin Salman was complicit in the killing of Jamal Khashoggi.

The South Carolina Republican described the Saudi royal as "a wrecking ball", "crazy" and "dangerous".

The Saudis have charged 11 people but deny the crown prince was involved.

Where the Saudi prince stands revealed
Jamal Khashoggi: The story so far
What did senators say?
Members of the Senate's Committee on Foreign Relations did not mince words after the briefing by CIA Director Gina Haspel on Tuesday.

"There is not a smoking gun - there is a smoking saw," Mr Graham said, referring to Khashoggi's alleged dismemberment in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul in October.

The senator said he could not support Saudi Arabia's involvement in the war in Yemen or arms sales to the Saudi government as long as the crown prince remained in power.

Senator Bob Menendez, a New Jersey Democrat, echoed those views.

He said the US must "send a clear and unequivocal message that such actions are not acceptable in the world's stage".


Media captionThe BBC's Frank Gardner looks at what could happen to the man known as MBS
Another senator, Bob Corker, told reporters, using the crown prince's initials: "I have zero question on my mind that the crown prince MBS ordered the killing."

The Tennessee Republican added: "If he was in front of a jury, he would be convicted in 30 minutes. Guilty."

Mr Corker suggested that President Donald Trump had condoned the murder of a journalist by refusing to condemn the Saudi crown prince.

Fellow Republican Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama said: "Now the question is, how do you separate the Saudi crown prince and his group from the nation?"

The Senate is planning to vote on a proposal to end US military support to the Saudi-led coalition fighting in Yemen, after members of both parties advanced the resolution last week.

Senator Chris Murphy, who was not privy to Tuesday's briefing, criticised the Trump administration.

"Not everything needs to be secret," the Connecticut Democrat tweeted.

"If our government knows that Saudi leaders were involved in the murder of a US resident, why shouldn't the public know this?"





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At some point Washington needs to have a good hard talk about the over-classification of information.

Not everything needs to be secret.

For instance, if our government knows that Saudi leaders were involved in the murder of a U.S. resident, why shouldn’t the public know this?

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What has the CIA said?
The CIA has concluded Mohammed bin Salman "probably ordered" the killing of Khashoggi.

The spy agency has evidence he exchanged messages with Saud al-Qahtani, who allegedly oversaw the Saudi reporter's murder.

The CIA director - who has reportedly heard an audio recording of the murder - did not attend a recent congressional briefing by cabinet members, dismaying lawmakers.

The White House denied having a hand in Ms Haspel's conspicuous absence, and the CIA said no one had told Ms Haspel not to attend.

At last week's hearing, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Defence Secretary James Mattis told senators there was no direct evidence of the crown prince's involvement in Khashoggi's death.

President Trump has said the CIA findings on the crown prince were not conclusive.

On 20 November he said: "It could very well be that the crown prince had knowledge of this tragic event - maybe he did and maybe he didn't."


Journalist who stepped into a consulate and vanished
Jamal Khashoggi in his own words
Who was Jamal Khashoggi?
As a prominent journalist, he covered major stories including the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the rise of Osama Bin Laden for various Saudi news organisations.

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Jamal Khashoggi had gone to Istanbul to obtain a marriage document
For decades the US resident was close to the Saudi royal family and also served as an adviser to the government.

But he fell out of favour and went into self-imposed exile in the US last year. From there, he wrote a monthly column in the Washington Post in which he criticised the policies of Mohammed bin Salman, including the war in Yemen.

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where does that leave Chump.............?

the other thing is ,

if Chump openly says this is ok ,in the glaring spotlight of the world,

one must ask .....

what has he done behind closed doors not only while he has been a so called president

but before he was.....POTUS?


YOU CAN FOOL SOME OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME,

YOU CAN'T FOOL.........All.....

good on the Senator's

goodbye Chump.......

LOCK HIM UP and throw away the Key

he is a DISCRACE


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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

where does that leave Chump.............?


Trump could give a goddamn. He likes tough-guy despots like MBS, Putin, Kim Jong Un etc.

Where does this leave the US voting public?
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thing is the American People are good Folks,

they won't stand for it,

they are not Subjects of despots,

(Lets not forget a Saudi King ,is not like a British Monarch)

frightened to stand up for THEIR RIGHTS,

WE ARE THE PEOPLE...............

AND WE WILL STAND UP AND BE COUNTED

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I sure hope you are right, Carbon20!

Sometimes I really have to wonder about this country, the Right side of the equation (which I used to subscribe to) has gone totally nuts.
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It is not a good time for Republicans:

McCain and HW Bush gone (men of the highest integrity, who leave gigantic holes!), Trump in power (a disaster if ever there was one!) and if that was not bad enough I could go on, and on, and on.

Hopefully, the insanity is temporary, they are just normal Americans after all (I'm not sure about Trump or Palin - but most of them).
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If Chump is impeached, would his tenure of President be expunged from the records?

Now that would be great....lol

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