Greetings folks.   I created this online White House petition regarding U.S. Mosques.   Tell me what you think.

If you like it, please hit share on the FB icon on the following link after you sign it. 

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/close-us-mosque-orlando-terrorist-and-american-suicide-bomber


Best to all,

Albert

(p.s... spur of the moment thing)   

Your petition is not only logical but factual and within the reasoned socially defensive and physically defensive protection of the people of the United States and their visiting allies, is the most sensible and least aggressive action that can be taken at the moment.  

My faith includes within its teachings. "let those who give away our secrets dwell forever where they belong - in the hell of the Christians."  Yet I do not believe in Hell. God loves us far too much for that.  We might consign our children to the "naughty step" when they need correction (and to a child it might even feel like an eternity), but no loving parent would leave their child there forever.

I believe in religious freedom so I can't sign but Trump is right we need to stop importing more Muslims here until we can fully vet them. We have a huge decision this year Clinton who will continue what Obama has done or not done or Trump who will change the way Washington has done things. Washington is broken the professional politicians care nothing for us only themselves. Time for Real Change! Sorry for the ad but we better wake up or we will be sunk as a country and we will never come back.

Think about a liberal Surpreme Court taking good peoples rights to guns and ammo...Clinton' court will do this. Be afraid be very afraid if she is our president!

Good point, but if you just heard Obama it is a religion and we must be nice to them so they don't become ratical and give them an excuse to hate us.    Go figure. That is why we have to vote for Trump. I have a gay nephew and he loves Turmp and said if gays don't figure it out and vote for Trump gays will get what they deserve.

Obama said it does not matter if we call it radical Islam but If we don't acknowledge what it is we will be just like Hitler when he called killing Jews The Final Solution.   Calling it just terrorism is wrong if we call it what it is maybe Muslims will start reporting people they know or suspect are radical because they don't want their religion connected with this horror.

The Koran says to kill the infadels:

Violence

Does the Quran really contain over a hundred verses promoting violence?

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.
Quran

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.


Just google Koran says to kill infidels. Better think about voting this year!

Thanks Hachi and all of you.  Interesting backgrounds and input. 

My goal is not necessarily to have the mosques shut down as that would probably never happen, but it was to bring to light that the Orlando terrorist and American suicide bomber in Syria came from the same U.S.  Mosque.  It's fairly clear to me that radicals are obviously being groomed out of that specific Mosque.  And it also stands to reason that another killer from that same Mosque will soon emerge.  Perhaps Isis is involved in that Mosque, who knows, but that location is breading radicals.  This means that more could (and most likely will) die in the future as it remains open.   Simply, it's a homeland threat.

I want people to simply share the link on FB, but you don't have to sign it.  I personally just want the word to get it out that two Islamic killers came from the same Mosque, and that more should be expected.  I also believe Isis will recruit within some Mosques.  

In fact, at the bottom of this thread just click the Facebook icon.         Cracks me up because I did it and Meds avatar came up on FB, lol.
 

Second reply to 

Albert wrote: Thanks for the input gang.   I believe in freedom of religion as well, but I'm not sure Islam should be classified as a religion at this point.  If a so-called religious belief calls for the eradication of all Americans, Christians, Jews, gays, etc... is that really a religion?

Albert, Aren't you being a bit racist here with your anti Islam post? I could just as well call you an Islamaphobe even though I agree with you. Why is it OK for you to be racist, but nobody else? Perhaps this is what I've been talking about all along now with regards to the posts that you and your mods find offensive. It's OK for blacks to be racist, but not whites?

As long as I've been to this website, which is a VERY long time, way longer than you realize, I've found it to be as hypocritical as any forum could possibly get.   So, you also didn't like my post last night regarding the facts of slavery? What was wrong with that? Perhaps you and your mods want to keep making white people feel guilty when an extreme few whites ever had slaves in the first place? Is the rehetoric that the black community wants to push actually "white guilt forever"?

Why don't you come out from behind the curtain and have the courage to admit your own biases?

We have seen this before. Someone comes in and starts posting all over and the topics of the threads go from what they are to big debates.  If it is not a new person then they know how the system works and how to scramble a lot of threads.

The worst of this we have all this politics in here (and I too have been posting political things) but there is an outbreak of H1N1 in Latin America which is spreading to Mexico. We have 3 possible local infections of Zika in Florida and MERS is still a terrible health threat with a 30-40% mortality rate -sometimes more.

This it is so like the media which is so wrapped in the soap opera drama of the elections while we have huge problems with our health care system which is totally inadequate to even begin to handle a Pandemic or something like Ebola.

It's summertime - and well the grasshoppers are playing while the ants are digging up not only information but some of us are actually getting land and places to SIP when things hit the fan. Can you spell Ararchy. Everyone has stopped talking about guns haven't they?

A topic like should we close the mosques is like should we block all arabic people from coming to America? When is the last time anyone has shut down a church of any kind in the last hundred years - even Satanic? 

We are in the area of angels dancing on the heads of pins - how many can? This what they argued about in the Middle Ages as they tortured people to death in the Spanish Inquisition.

If we have no effective plan in the U.S. or world to fight ISIS what would be the effect of closing one mosque? - 1000 American bodies blown up?  Time to smell the coffee. We started ISIS - the U.S. created it just as they did the Mujahideen. And now its payback time as they try to take over the Middle East and Europe.

Forget closing the Mosques. The horse is out of the barn. We should have been fighting them rather than training them and buying them weapons to overthrow Asaad.

breath time.

shakes my head.

There is no cure for stupid.

Medclinician

Crabby, I have, in my distant past, black bloodlines: in my more recent bloodline's past, Native American and French ancestry.  You would class me as a white man to look at.  Three of my best friends are Black Americans.  So, as far as I am concerned, you can P*** off!

WillobyBrat wrote: Crabby, I have, in my distant past, black bloodlines: in my more recent bloodline's past, Native American and French ancestry.  You would class me as a white man to look at.  Three of my best friends are Black Americans.  So, as far as I am concerned, you can P*** off! Three times in the last 30 years of my life, a mixture of black, mixed race and aisan people have saved my life.  How many lives have you saved, Crabby?

Actually, I saved my mother-in-law's life twice in spite of the fact that I hated that woman.

We definitely have race issues in this country and not talking about it or sweeping it under the rug is not going to solve anything. I'm being open and honest about my feelings and how I got here. Perhaps some of the blacks would like to actually have a discussion with me? Or, are they too embarrassed by a growing percentage of their race to want to talk about this? This problem isn't going away. I'm not blaming all black people anymore than I think white people are good. If a white person does the crime then I don't care one bit about them doing the time and that's a fact!

However, we have new phenomena called the "knockout game" and "flash mobs", riots, looting, setting businesses on fire, and a tiny thing like killing police officers! White people coming out of state fairs in Illinois and Wisconsin were indiscriminately beaten by gangs of black youths for no reason other than they were white. If this doesn't concern you, then it should.

Also, nobody seems to remember my comment about how my own cousin was killed in cold blood due to a gang initiation. If you think I can swallow that pill with ease, think again!

As for your .piss off. comment, I'm wondering why the moderators allow that.

So, how exactly have I offended you personally? Please explain where your anger at my posts is coming from.

Since you're not into racially stereotyping, then why aren't you also critical of the bad behavior of the black youth today rather than picking apart my posts? Everyone should be denouncing knock out games, flash mobs, looting and burning, destroying police vehicles, beating white people senseless for no other reason than they're white, rap lyrics that call for the killing of whites, and killing police officers.

So, truly, what are you feelings about this subject? I'd like to know.

How can one not notice that this crap is being perpetrated almost exclusively by blacks because I'm sure there is an exception out there. Isn't that also racism and why aren't you saying anything about THAT!