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Do diesel vehicles have alternators? If what you've said thus far is true, an Alternator, which is a couple long wires, wouldn't be affected? The lights and various other electronics in the diesel vehicle wouldn't be affected in the least? Coils? But I suppose you could direct wire the battery to the starter. Etc, Etc, Ad Nauseum? Are you sure you've thought this through? |
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As far as EMP E3 effects on infrastructure yes we agree and that includes the effects of a large CME on infrastructure as well. The EMP Commission's testing of automobiles was only done up to a level of 50,000 volts per meter, and in most cases, the EMP levels were not even taken up nearly that high. The EMP Commission did not take the level up to see at what level the automobiles would fail to run. From everything that is published in open (non-classified) English-language scientific papers, 50,000 volts per meter is about the maximum electric field strength that can be produced by first and second generation nuclear weapons of any size. However, http://web.archive.org/web/20121108204504/http://kyl.senate.gov/legis_center/subdocs/030805_pry.pdf - EMP Commission staff members have stated in sworn testimony before the U.S. Congress that "super-EMP" weapons have been developed (by more than one country) that are capable of generating up to 200,000 volts per meter below the detonation, and 100,000 volts per meter at the horizon. It is impossible to confirm the accuracy of these claims. http://www.futurescience.com/emp. - http://www.futurescience.com/emp.html What I do find interesting is that the DOD required the vehicles tested to be returned in running condition and that the EMP commission did not have funding to replace the vehicles tested and so did not test the vehicles to failure or the upper limit of their EMP testing equipment. That is why there was disagreement among the EMP commission staff on the published testing results and the actual effects of EMP on vehicles. It would seem that their testing was incomplete and therefore any results would be limited to within the scope of their testing limits and overall results skewed as a result in their findings. Had they tested to failure or to the upper limits of their testing capacity, their findings would not be in question and the results may well have been different. You'd have to agree that is NOT how a scientific experiment is conducted to gather definitive information in a controlled environment experiment. I find it hard to believe that the federal government could not afford to donate 37 used cars and trucks to a Congressionally mandated commission to conduct scientific research on the effects of EMP on vehicles. Of course that being said the bulk of their research and findings remain classified. I should also add that the newest vehicle tested was a 2002 and in the years since then newer vehicles have more and more electronic parts which increases their susceptibility to EMP. And there is no coil on older diesel engines nor are there plug wires or a distributor cap or electronic ignition or a electronic fuel injection control pressure regulator. The two parts that may possibly be susceptible besides the glow plug buss are the alternator and the starter. Spares 2 each of alternator, starter are kept insulated in a aluminum box as are a multitude of spare fuses. None of the accessories may work but drive train wise yeah I think I have covered the bases pretty well. They are just very simple engines that do not rely upon sophisticated electronics as virtually every vehicle does today. And I am not sure why the EMP cannon being developed does not effect older vehicles as you would think the coil and the points would be susceptible to EMP. I did notice they did not disclose the actual KV/M power of that EMP cannon. Again classified I am sure. As far as Pry, Woolsey and Cooper go had they tested to failure or to maximum EMP test strength there would be no disagreement among them.
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Dr Price also acknowledges the "weakness" in their EMP testing and further goes on to state that the majority of vehicles were effected at "fairly modest levels".
http://www.blogtalk.com/empact-/2011/03/23/empact--with-dr-peter-vincent-pry - http://www.blogtalkradio.com/empact-radio/2011/03/23/empact-radio-with-dr-peter-vincent-pry 45 to the 52 minute mark.
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Speaking of Peter Vincent Pry here is part of a excellent article on EMP super weapons by him.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea now has an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) capable of delivering a nuclear weapon to the United States, as demonstrated by their successful launch and orbiting of a satellite on Dec. 12. Certain poorly informed pundits among the chattering classes reassure us that http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea is still years away from being able to miniaturize warheads for missile delivery, and from developing sufficiently accurate missiles to pose a serious nuclear threat to the United States. http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/philip-yun/ - Philip Yun, director of San Francisco’s http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/ploughshares-fund/ - Ploughshares Fund, a nuclear disarmament group, reportedly said, “The real threat from the launch was an overreaction that would lead to more defense spending on unnecessary systems. The sky is not falling. We shouldn’t be panicked.” In fact, http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea is a mortal nuclear threat to the United States— right now. http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea has already successfully tested and developed nuclear weapons. It has also already miniaturized nuclear weapons for ballistic missile delivery and has armed missiles with nuclear warheads. In 2011, the director of the http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/defense-intelligence-agency/ - Defense Intelligence Agency, http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/lt/ - Lt. General http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/ronald-l-burgess-jr/ - Ronald Burgess, testified to the http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/united-states-senate-committee-on-armed-services/ - Senate Armed Services Committee that http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea has weaponized its nuclear devices into warheads for ballistic missiles. http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea has labored for years and starved its people so it could develop an intercontinental missile capable of reaching the United States. Why? Because they have a special kind of nuclear weapon that could destroy the United States with a single blow. In summer 2004, a delegation of Russian generals warned the Congressional Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Commission that secrets had leaked to http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea for a decisive new nuclear weapon — a Super-EMP warhead. Any nuclear weapon detonated above an altitude of 30 kilometers will generate an electromagnetic pulse that will destroy electronics and could collapse the electric power grid and other critical infrastructures — communications, transportation, banking and finance, food and water — that sustain modern civilization and the lives of 300 million Americans. All could be destroyed by a single nuclear weapon making an EMP attack. A Super-EMP attack on the United States would cause much more and much deeper damage than a primitive nuclear weapon, and so would increase confidence that the catastrophic consequences will be irreversible. Such an attack would inflict maximum damage and be optimum for realizing a world without America.
Both North Korean nuclear tests look suspiciously like a Super-EMP weapon. A Super-EMP warhead would have a low yield, like the North Korean device, because it is not designed to create a big explosion, but to convert its energy into gamma rays, that generate the EMP effect. Reportedly South Korean military intelligence concluded, independent of the EMP Commission, that Russian scientists are in http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea helping develop a Super-EMP warhead. In 2012, a military commentator for the People’s Republic of China stated that http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea has Super-EMP nuclear warheads. A Super-EMP warhead would not weigh much, and could probably be delivered by http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea’s ICBM. The missile does not have to be accurate, as the EMP field is so large that detonating anywhere over the United States would have catastrophic consequences. The warhead does not even need a re-entry vehicle, as an EMP attack entails detonating the warhead at high-altitude, above the atmosphere. So, as of Dec. 12, http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea’s successful orbit of a satellite demonstrates its ability to make an EMP attack against the United States — right now. The http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/congressional-emp-commission/ - Congressional EMP Commission estimates that, given the nation’s current unpreparedness, within one year of an EMP attack, two-thirds of the U.S. population — 200 million Americans — would probably perish from starvation, disease and societal collapse. Thus, http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea now has an Assured Destruction capability against the United States. The consequences of this development are so extremely grave that U.S. and global security have, in effect, gone over the “strategic cliff” into free-fall. Where we will land, into what kind of future, is as yet unknown. Nevertheless, some very bad developments are foreseeable. http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/iran/ - Iran will certainly be inspired by http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea’s example to persist in the development of its own nuclear weapon and ICBM programs to pose a mortal threat to the United States. Indeed, http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea and http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/iran/ - Iran have been collaborating all along. If http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea and http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/iran/ - Iran both acquire the capability to threaten America with EMP genocide, this will destroy the foundations of the existing world order, which has since 1945 halted the cycle of world wars and sustained the global advancement of freedom. http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea and http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/iran/ - Iran being armed with Assured Destruction capability changes the whole strategic calculus of risk for the United States in upholding its superpower role, and will erode the confidence of U.S. allies — perhaps to the point where they will need to develop their own nuclear weapons. Most alarming, we are fast moving to a place where, for the first time in history, failed little states like http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea and http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/iran/ - Iran, that cannot even feed their own people, will have power in their hands to blackmail or destroy the largest and most successful societies on Earth. http://www.washingtontimes.com/topicsorth-korea/ - North Korea and http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/iran/ - Iran perceive themselves to be at war with the United States, and are desperate, highly unpredictable characters. When the mob is at the gates of their dictators, will they want to take America with them down into darkness? What is to be done? The president should immediately issue an Executive Order, drafted for the White House earlier by the http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/congressional-emp-commission/ - Congressional EMP Commission, to protect the national electric grid and other critical infrastructures from an EMP attack. The http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/congress/ - Congress should pass the SHIELD Act (HR 668) now to provide the legal authorities and financial mechanisms for protecting the electric grid from EMP. The http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/congress/ - Congress should enhance Defense Department programs for National Missile Defense and Department of Homeland Security programs for protecting critical infrastructures.
The administration and the http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/congress/ - Congress owe the American people security from an EMP Apocalypse. Peter Vincent Pry is executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security, and served on the http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/congressional-emp-commission/ - Congressional EMP Commission, the House Armed Services Committee, and the CIA.
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I don't think it operates on the "Fry The Hell Out Of Everything" Theory, permanently disabling the vehicle. It's probably more of a directed RF oscillation that induces erroneous voltages in the computer which screws up the computer, making spark plugs fire at odd times, or not at all rather than specifically fusing long wires in coils. If they hit it with one that fried the alternator, the car would still run for a bit on battery alone. Kinda like how when I used to point the APN59 radar at fluorescent lights, they'll turn on, albiet dimly, though connected to nothing. Granted, that radar was powerful as hell, and could actually injure you, unlike the LPC radar we use today. |
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That's still significantly below the voltage of even lightning. I've seen ten cars get it from a bolt of lightning, and probably a hundred or more aircraft lightning strikes and all ran afterwards. When we ran our cars through the tester, they worked afterwards. 200 KV/m is a far more believable number. As much fun as a diabolical mastermind would have with a bomb that sends tens of millions of volts at the ground!
Wait... You're questioning why government did something that didn't make sense? Dr. Pry also was not exactly happy with how they did the testing and testified to congress about it. That said, I believe that the 50KV/m is the upper limit of the tester. I suppose if you'd like to supply the government with a larger capacitor than the one they're using, which is dangerously large, be my guest.
When I say "Coil" I mean Solenoid. That said, the Diesel generators *WERE* burned out, as in, they didn't work anymore at all. (Though from a very different process than the one that you believe would affect cars, though I think I explained that)
That's opinion... It's no different than pulling the Mythbusters game when they can't get something to work, they keep adding to the equation until either it works or it explodes. Or when the local band of filthy hippies squeals that Socialism doesn't work because we haven't tried it *HERE* yet. |
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I'm going to go ahead and trim that tree. If they believe that N.Korea is developing that kind of bomb, good for them. My opinion, after watching them fail time and again to even launch a rocket, is that their bomb had something go wrong with it and instead of actually going off correctly, fizzled. But what do I know. If they actually pulled that crap, though, we wouldn't waste time EMP'ing them back, they'd get the standard air and ground burst. Running around popping canned sunshine is pretty universally frowned upon. |
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http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/the-suns-magnetic-field-is-about-to-flip/#.UgLSxtJOTIZ
The Sun's Magnetic Field is about to Flip Aug. 5, 2013 Something big is about to happen on the sun. According to measurements from NASA-supported observatories, the sun's vast magnetic field is about to flip. "It looks like we're no more than three to four months away from a complete field reversal," said solar physicist Todd Hoeksema of Stanford University. "This change will have ripple effects throughout the solar system." A new ScienceCast video anticipates the reversal of the sun's global magnetic field. Image Credit: Science@NASA The sun's magnetic field changes polarity approximately every 11 years. It happens at the peak of each solar cycle as the sun's inner magnetic dynamo re-organizes itself. The coming reversal will mark the midpoint of Solar Cycle 24. Half of "solar max" will be behind us, with half yet to come. Hoeksema is the director of Stanford's Wilcox Solar Observatory, one of the few observatories in the world that monitors the sun's polar magnetic fields. The poles are a herald of change. Just as Earth scientists watch our planet's polar regions for signs of climate change, solar physicists do the same thing for the sun. Magnetograms at Wilcox have been tracking the sun's polar magnetism since 1976, and they have recorded three grand reversals—with a fourth in the offing. Solar physicist Phil Scherrer, also at Stanford, describes what happens: "The sun's polar magnetic fields weaken, go to zero and then emerge again with the opposite polarity. This is a regular part of the solar cycle." A reversal of the sun's magnetic field is, literally, a big event. The domain of the sun's magnetic influence (also known as the "heliosphere") extends billions of kilometers beyond Pluto. Changes to the field's polarity ripple all the way out to the Voyager probes, on the doorstep of interstellar space. When solar physicists talk about solar field reversals, their conversation often centers on the "current sheet." The current sheet is a sprawling surface jutting outward from the sun's equator where the sun's slowly rotating magnetic field induces an electrical current. The current itself is small, only one ten-billionth of an amp per square meter (0.0000000001 amps/m2), but there’s a lot of it: the amperage flows through a region 10,000 km thick and billions of kilometers wide. Electrically speaking, the entire heliosphere is organized around this enormous sheet. During field reversals, the current sheet becomes very wavy. Scherrer likens the undulations to the seams on a baseball. As Earth orbits the sun, we dip in and out of the current sheet. Transitions from one side to another can stir up stormy space weather around our planet. Cosmic rays are also affected. These are high-energy particles accelerated to nearly light speed by supernova explosions and other violent events in the galaxy. Cosmic rays are a danger to astronauts and space probes, and some researchers say they might affect the cloudiness and climate of Earth. The current sheet acts as a barrier to cosmic rays, deflecting them as they attempt to penetrate the inner solar system. A wavy, crinkly sheet acts as a better shield against these energetic particles from deep space. As the field reversal approaches, data from Wilcox show that the sun's two hemispheres are out of synch. "The sun's north pole has already changed sign, while the south pole is racing to catch up," Scherrer said. "Soon, however, both poles will be reversed, and the second half of solar max will be underway." When that happens, Hoeksema and Scherrer will share the news with their colleagues and the public. Dr. Tony Phillips Science@NASA › Back To Top NASA.gov Page Last Updated: August 6th, 2013 Page Editor: Rob Garner NASA Official: Brian Dunbar > NASA Information on the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 |
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your car on lightning http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/08/car-struck-lightning_n_3729217.html |
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The Sun's Wrath: Worst Solar Storms in History http://www.space.com/12584-worst-solar-storms-sun-flares-history.html the 2003 storm was an X45 a direct hit would have put some lights out for sure |
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Transformers and longwires especially.
What's really scary about solar phenomina is that by solar standards even the 1859 Carrington event was nothing. Not even a popgun.
One of these days the Sun could just up and decide to really shellac our planet.
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current threat Sunspots Still Growing In Size http://www.thedailysheeple.com/sunspots-still-growing-in-size_082013 "Sunspots AR1817 and AR1818 are continuing to grow rapidly. AR1817 is now directly facing the Earth and would score a direct hit should it throw off a flare. AR1818 is the larger of the two and has at least another 24 hours growing time left before it has rotated far enough across the Sun to be fully geo-effective here on Earth. |
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Cool! If we get a smaller one, as in, not severe enough to damage anything, those in northern latitudes will get a nice show. If we get a huge one that's strong enough to screw stuff up, we'll get an AWESOME show. |
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Why we face grave danger from space http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/10239218/Why-we-face-grave-danger-from-space.html "The discovery that a colossal solar flare hit Earth in the Dark Ages reminds us that catastrophe could strike at any time, says Michael Hanlon" |
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Found on Google news
NASA warns of solar storm racing toward Earth this week http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9241770ASA_warns_of_solar_storm_racing_toward_Earth__week - http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9241770/NASA_warns_of_solar_storm_racing_toward_Earth_this_week
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I don't know how that happened it posted the link twice and the top one won't work
please use the bottom link.
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Hmm.... the NOAA Space Weather site doesn't mention a thing about it:
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ - http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ |
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Fox news did
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WHAT TO DO????
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Congresswoman: “100% Chance of a Severe Geo-Magnetic Event Capable of Crippling Our Electric Grid” http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/congresswoman-the-likelihood-of-a-severe-geo-magnetic-event-capable-of-crippling-our-electric-grid-is-100_09032013#comments We are only one act of madness away from a social cataclysm unlike anything our country has ever known. " |
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Did you just recently discover this subject and scare the crap out of yourself
Is a good subject-I would have to agree there's also a 100% chance the sun will blow up and turn everything on earth to ash
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ummmm NO I have been aware of EMP and solar storms for quite some time now |
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Here is an interesting read, kinda helps put the FEMA reigon 3 stockpile in perspective with a possible solar event. To me it looks somehow connected....
Waiting for ISON http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-j-eicher/comet-ison_b_2811940.html |
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I have a background in astronomy & serve on an FBI SIG (special interest group) regarding "ElectroMagnetic Pulse" as a national infrastructure threat, particularly due to solar flare events (like the Carrington Event in 1859).
Please watch this video....when I see our sun doing stuff like this, it really gives me the creeps! The sun has been in a long solar minimum and may wake up, bursting with flares from magnetic field lines that snap like this filament! |
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Good video-the sheer size is incredible, I wonder if this has anything to do with a magnetic pole shift that is in progress last I checked.
Amazing definition coming from SDO, SOHO, and Stereo, you could spend a lifetime just going through what has already been recorded. Couple other incredible shots |
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NOAA: X-Class Flare Estimates At 35% http://www.thedailysheeple.com/noaa-x-class-flare-estimates-at-35_102013 and reminder National Geographics BLACKOUT is on tonight at 9pm eastern time |
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Active Sun Fires Off 3rd Huge Solar Flare in 3 Days
[link to m.space.com] The sun has just unleashed another major solar flare, the third of its kind in three days, scientists say. The huge solar storm occurred late Sunday at 10:03 p.m. EDT (0203 Oct. 28 GMT). It registered as an X-class solar flare — the most powerful type of flare the sun has — and followed two back-to-back X-flares that erupted from the sun on Friday (Oct. 25). NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory captured a video of the new X-class solar flare as it happened. This latest solar flare erupted from an active sunspot region called AR1875 and triggered a strong radio blackout when it occurred, officials with the NOAA-run Space Weather Prediction Group explained in a status update. The flare also coincided with a massive explosion of super-hot solar plasma — called a coronal mass ejection, or CME — which should reach Earth by Oct. 30 and could trigger minor geomagnetic storms in the planet's magnetic field, they added. |
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This is a very useful website:
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28 solar flares in the last seven days, and more may be coming http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-solar-flare-20131031,0,7996603.story#axzz2jQKJef9k 1 in 8 Chance of Catastrophic Solar Megastorm by 2020 http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/02/massive-solar-flare/ not a threat to be taken lightly we would have less than 24 hours notice to prepare and that is assuming the government immediately revealed the threat can you imagine the government announcing that you had 24 hours before a major X flare would hit ??? absolutely PANIC will ensue YOU don't want to be one of those people fighting over the last can of creamed corn at Walmart |
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A very dynamic-looking sunspot 1899 is rearing its large ugly head over the left limb of the sun as we speak.
Perhaps worthy of keeping a close eye on? Many are intrigued by the size of region AR11899's single sun spot. [link to www.solarham.net] |
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CU-Boulder Scientist: Society Should Prepare for Devastating Solar Flare (CME) http://www.activistpost.com/2013/12/cu-boulder-scientist-society-should.html#more The coronal mass ejection, or CME, event was likely more powerful than the famous Carrington storm of 1859, when the sun blasted Earth’s atmosphere hard enough twice to light up the sky from the North Pole to Central America and allowed New Englanders to read their newspapers at night by aurora light, said CU-Boulder Professor Daniel Baker. Had it hit Earth, the July 2012 event likely would have created a technological disaster by short-circuiting satellites, power grids, ground communication equipment and even threatening the health of astronauts and aircraft crews, he said." just a matter of time just a matter of time....... " How Long Can You Tread Water? by Tom S. http://www.survivalblog.com/2010/07/how_long_can_you_tread_water_b.html |
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A massive solar flare would do much more than shut down the power grids; it would toast the planet. However solar storms and solar flairs have been the basis of Armageddon type predictions as long as they have been recorded.
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=308 A shutdown of the grid due to terrorist attack or simple collapse which was predicted four years ago, that it would collapse in two years, is much more menacing. However, it should be noted that a particularly nasty flare would have the effect of multiple EMP bombs going off around the world and take us back a hundred years before we even had electricity. This was the event that many based their end of the world on December 21, 2012 on and we are still here. This is what it looks like if you had a telescope with filter and could see one... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/news-video/video-massive-solar-flare-hurtling-toward-earth/article552033/?from=4417100 As with many stories and concerns, this situation, like the weather reports on the main news, is burying to news about the economy, the Flu, and that which truly threatens us. If a real serious solar flare hits the earth it could destroy the surface and all life. Medclinician |
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Medclinician - not if but when - original
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Satori - here's a link to NASA's website detailing the July 2012 CME,
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stereo/news/fast-cme.html |
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"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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The chance of an EMP terrorist attack is zero. Assuming some terrorist group gets their hands on a thermonuclear weapon, they will seek to kill lots of people. NYC, Washington DC etc. Nukes are much too valuable to waste on an experiment shutting down the USA's grid. No ICBM necessary, the nuke could be brought right up to the city in a barge, private airplane etc. However, you are correct about electricity after a massive CME (Carrington Event level incident). The only things I have that I know will work are my firearms, candles & woolen undies.
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keep an eye on solar activity NASA Announces Incoming CME Likely to Cause a Geomagnetic Storm http://www.activistpost.com/2014/01/nasa-announces-incoming-cme-likely-to.html#more "January 9th |
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Concern Grows Over Possibility of a Massive Power Surge http://sorendreier.com/concern-grows-over-possibility-of-a-massive-power-surge/ brief excerpt "“We definitely think this is a risk,” said Trevor Maynard, head of exposure management at Lloyd’s of London. “It is one of those hazards you just know is going to happen, just like you know a major Miami hurricane will happen.” "Lloyd’s is uncertain whether the impact of a solar-storm-induced magnetic pulse would be cataclysmic. But its worst-case scenario would truly be: 20 million to 40 million Americans losing electricity for as long as a year or two, “resulting in major and widespread social unrest, riots and theft.” |
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Monster Sunspot Larger Than Jupiter Stars in Amazing Sun Photos http://news.yahoo.com/monster-sunspot-larger-jupiter-stars-amazing-sun-photos-115446118.html ""The massive sunspot AR 1967 is now wider than the planet Jupiter and is very active," Chumack told Space.com in an email on Feb. 4. "Yesterday no less than seven M-class solar flares have erupted from this region." |
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if we ever do get hit with another Carrington event or EMP we're gonna be in a world of trouble and we will have no one but ourselves to blame Open thread for night owls: Time to forget the 1% http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/07/1283015/-Open-thread-for-night-owls-Time-to-forget-the-1 Here’s an example: It turns out the United States—which has the largest and most complex electric power network in the world, and which is completely and utterly dependent upon electricity for its daily survival—does not have the capability of manufacturing the single most crucial component of its electrical grid: the TRANSFORMER. To be exact, we can make little transformers, but the really big ones that are necessary to push electric current across long distances (which our electric grid is totally dependent on) are somehow beyond our ken. Or, to be more accurate, the 1% have no interest in building the plants and hiring and training the workers to manufacture the very large-size transformers. two years and a month at sea and then a trip by railcar and that is under optimal conditons wonder how long it will take to replace a transformer if there is no power to the factory ??? |
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Newt Gingrich's Plan to Stave Off the Apocalypse http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/newt-gingrich-s-plan-to-stave-off-the-apocalypse-20140328 the threat is real and it is just a matter of time unfortunately our so called leaders do nothing the blood will very much be on their hands |
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Dr Stack, given your experience with EMP, could you tell us whether Faraday cages work in protecting vital electronic equipment from induced voltage surges. |
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Solar Storm Risk to the North American Electrical Grid http://www.lloyds.com/~/media/Lloyds/Reports/Emerging%20Risk%20Reports/Solar%20Storm%20Risk%20to%20the%20North%20American%20Electric%20Grid.pdf |
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excellent article on the threat Will We Demand the Inexpensive Fix Which Will Prevent Armageddon … Or Focus On Over-Blown Dangers and Ignore The Thing Most Likely To Actually Get Us? http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/pro-nuclear-anti-nuclear-advocates-support-cheap-way-prevent-extinction-level-event.html |
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Nice one Satori.
The things that worry me are: If the transformers are burnt out and there is no power to the plants, how can they make more transformers? The sewage processing and fresh water purification plants run on electricity - too horrible to contemplate! Most appliances are fairly safe, for a while. It is long lines which generate power during a flare or CME. An amazing number of things have EMP protection or are, by default, in a faraday cage, BUT, as each tiny component breaks, without manufacturing to replace them, one by one each appliance fails. Even solar powered or personally generated items become useless. What about the things not thought of in planning for this? I do not just mean personally but scientifically and governmentaly too. To sumarise: The whole of western civilisation goes away. For $100million, that's peanuts, or maybe omit the pea! |
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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