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    Posted: February 09 2014 at 7:01pm
Not only Influenza pandemics are being hatched in China to devastate the rest of the world, the economy of China is a Death Star about to destroy the global economy.


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The article is ominously entitled "China, the Death Star of Emerging Markets". China has recently made unwelcome headlines, as one of the
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All jokes aside, the H1N1 Spanish Flu Pandemic came from China, as did the H2N2 Asian Flu pandemic and the H3N2 Hong Kong Flu Pandemic.

Now we have the H5N1 and the latest H7N9 threats to global health and goodness know what else is in the pipeline disease wise from China - SARS was one of theirs too right?

And now with Chinese New year this H7N9 is being shoved down our throats right now.

And if all that is not bad enough, the Chinese economy is threatening us with another financial crisis.

Chinese Death Star is right.

Use the force Luke.

May the Force be with us all.
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Even the Rabbit Calicivirus came from China.

What else do they have in store for the world?
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Kilt, the h1n1 Spanish flu did not come from china, you should take a history class. Stop posting nonsense.
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Originally posted by Quickdraw Quickdraw wrote:

Kilt, the h1n1 Spanish flu did not come from china, you should take a history class. Stop posting nonsense.


Yes it did.

You stop posting rubbish. Read books.

1918 Flu Pandemic That Killed 50 Million Originated in China...

National Geographic-23 Jan 2014
The global flu outbreak of 1918 killed 50 million people worldwide, ranking as one of the deadliest epidemics in history. For decades, scientists ...
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i would read always twice an article, if i would have some doubts. And pls you should do same. Theories and interesting suppositions only to make another PhD somewhere in the world, with following bombastic articles is not going to be very constructive on the long therm. 

Noone used the certainty in the whole article you have mentioned in your link.

And stop being personal attacking other persons on this forum, it is not your wisest move, you know. And you or me personally will never own the truth, so just forget playing god around. It is only an article like other tens of articles ( ok it is a newer one, so what?).

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Your post is garbled - no speaka da English?

it all adds up - I have long known of the idea that it was from China - this is not new.


China Epicenter of 1918 Flu Pandemic, Historian Says

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The global influenza pandemic was three times deadlier than World War I, and according to new research by a Canadian historian, the timing .
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Lets put it this way.

It is widely believed the Spanish Flu came from China. I believe it did.

We know the H2N2  and the H3N2 pandemics came from China.

We know SARS came from China.

We know the H7N9 is from China.

We know H5N1 is from China.

And now we have a financial calamity in the pipeline also from China.

The Chinese Death Star is the point.
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Kilt- It's not only possible but I believe probable that U S military personnel who were transferred from China to Camp Funston in Kansas to train the Dough Boys brought the Flu back with them. However no one can prove either theory.   
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The virus can be examined and that will settle it.

It makes sense to me - but my point is all the death that comes from China (even if the Spanish Flu didn't) and now a Financial Crisis.


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The Chinese Death Star is ready to strike again.
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Spanish flu, the pandemic that killed 50 million, started in China ...

National Post-4 Feb 2014
Spanish flu, the global pandemic that took the lives of more than 50 million people around the end of First World War, appears to have ...
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copy pasting in not that healthy... at least so i heard...


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The point is that China keeps dishing out death

Now the economy is in serious jeopardy because of China

Death Star indeed.
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Originally posted by atheris atheris wrote:

copy pasting in not that healthy... at least so i heard...



Its the only way I can post a clickable link

Live with it
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Originally posted by Kilt2 Kilt2 wrote:

Spanish flu, the pandemic that killed 50 million, started in China ...

National Post-4 Feb 2014
Spanish flu, the global pandemic that took the lives of more than 50 million people around the end of First World War, appears to have ...


So, I will enter the fray here

http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/


So here is the deal --

A collection of letters of a soldier stationed in Camp Funston Soldier

The origins of this influenza variant is not precisely known. It is thought to have originated in China in a rare genetic shift of the influenza virus. The recombination of its surface proteins created a virus novel to almost everyone and a loss of herd immunity. Recently the virus has been reconstructed from the tissue of a dead soldier and is now being genetically characterized. The name of Spanish Flu came from the early affliction and large mortalities in Spain (BMJ,10/19/1918) where it allegedly killed 8 million in May (BMJ, 7/13/1918). However, a first wave of influenza appeared early in the spring of 1918 in Kansas and in military camps throughout the US. Few noticed the epidemic in the midst of the war. Wilson had just given his 14 point address. There was virtually no response or acknowledgment to the epidemics in March and April in the military camps. It was unfortunate that no steps were taken to prepare for the usual recrudescence of the virulent influenza strain in the winter. The lack of action was later criticized when the epidemic could not be ignored in the winter of 1918 (BMJ, 1918). These first epidemics at training camps were a sign of what was coming in greater magnitude in the fall and winter of 1918 to the entire world.

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"There was virtually no response or acknowledgment to the epidemics in March and April in the military camps. It was unfortunate that no steps were taken to prepare for the usual recrudescence of the virulent influenza strain in the winter. The lack of action was later criticized when the epidemic could not be ignored in the winter of 1918 (BMJ, 1918). These first epidemics at training camps were a sign of what was coming in greater magnitude in the fall and winter of 1918 to the entire world."



Substitute wet markets for training camps and 2014 for 1918?
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from the article:

Spanish flu, the global pandemic that took the lives of more than 50 million people around the end of First World War, appears to have originated in China before spreading to the wider world via trainloads of Chinese labourers that passed through Canada en route to wartime Europe, according to new research by a Canadian historian.

Mark Humphries, a history professor at Memorial University of Newfoundland, has identified China as the likely epicentre of the disease. He believes it spread to Canada with members of the Chinese Labour Corps (CLC), young men recruited by the British government to replace able-bodied European workers who could then be sent to the front lines. The British shipped the Chinese replacement workers to Vancouver before sending them by rail across the country to Halifax, and then to Europe.

Humphries’ study, published in the January issue of the journal War in History, says the need for new workers in Europe was desperate enough that one ship laden with 3,000 labourers left Weihaiwei, China, for Vancouver in 1918 despite a recruitment ban in China at the time because of the outbreak of a mysterious respiratory illness.

“British officials knew that whatever the plague was, there were Chinese labourers sick with it,” Humphries said in an interview. “And they were being shipped across Canada.”

About 50,000 Canadians would die of the contagion. Globally, an estimated three per cent of the planet’s population died between 1918 and 1920.


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It has the ring of truth to me and a genetic examination of the virus will reveal its origin in time.

The point is China is a Death Star.
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China reports two more H7N9 cases, one fatal

CIDRAP-8 hours ago
In a possible sign of a drop-off in infections, China reported only two newH7N9 avian flu cases today, one of them fatal, both from Guangdong ...
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The 1918 H1N1 Spanish Flu pandemic - believed to have originated in China.

The 1956 H2N2 Asian Flu Pandemic originated in China

The 1968 H3N2 Hong Kong Flu Pandemic originated in China

SARS originated in China

The H5N1 Bird Flu originated in China

The Calicivirus originated in China

The H7N9 virus originated in China

The H10N8 virus originated in China

And they are also bringing the world a financial crisis and a global depression.

China is a Death Star.


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Kilt2,I have no problem believeing that the Chinese can bring us a hinancial problem,but How and when do you think they will do it?.Johnray1
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Dang, I don't really care where it comes from. Lots of stuff starts in Africa. All I care about is SIP before it hits my family. I need to get my kid home from college before it gets bad whenever it hits, and get all my water containers filled.

Hate to sound selfish but I just want as early a warning as I can get. Does not matter who starts it...LOL!
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hows goin' with your Deathhhh Starrr??
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Originally posted by FluMom FluMom wrote:

Dang, I don't really care where it comes from. Lots of stuff starts in Africa. All I care about is SIP before it hits my family. I need to get my kid home from college before it gets bad whenever it hits, and get all my water containers filled.

Hate to sound selfish but I just want as early a warning as I can get. Does not matter who starts it...LOL!

I don't see anything in Africa that is going around the world killing millions (AIDS Yes) like I can with China.

Look at the list. Millions died and all the bugs came from China.

And more will come from China because of the population and the proximity with animals and birds.


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Originally posted by Johnray1 Johnray1 wrote:

Kilt2,I have no problem believeing that the Chinese can bring us a hinancial problem,but How and when do you think they will do it?.Johnray1

China is a Bubble.


Gold price signals China credit bubble bursting as investors seek ...

Telegraph.co.uk-3 hours agoShare
China's “unfolding credit crunch” is having an unforeseen and dramatic impact on gold prices as investors urgently stock up on the precious metal as a form of ...




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Well no country on the face of the planet knows 'credit bubble' like the good ol' U S of A....
If we are talking about a financial melt down only, the topic should read
"THE AMERICAN DEATH STAR"
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We survived the last melt down that was inflicted on the planet by the US.

As the old proverb goes.... "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".
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China is building entire cities to keep their construction industry busy. They have a crash coming that will make the one the US experienced pale by comparison.

BTW - Kilt is in Australia.
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Originally posted by atheris atheris wrote:

hows goin' with your Deathhhh Starrr??

I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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Will China shake the world again?

BBC News-16 hours agoShare
But perhaps more than any other Chinese city, it tells the story of how ....China's debts as a share of GDP have been rising at a very rapid rate ...
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Regardless of where you or kilt or johnnyray live, it seems that you lay many of the world's ills at the feet of China.

China is an emerging economy that has only had a very recent (plus or minus 10 years) impact on economies, global warming, etc.

No question it is at the epicentre of concern about emerging influenza threats, but I just don't think it is reasonable or accurate to lay all impending disasters at their feet. Referencing China as the 'Death Star' seems inaccurate at best.

Btw... If you are looking for abandoned cities, there are plenty in USA.

Is China's debt as a share of GDP close to that of america
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Saskabush - I'm originally from the UK.
I believe that there is good reason to be concerned. China looks after China, and the rest of the world comes a distant second. Look at the civil rights abuses currently taking place in Tibet under Chinese rule, their cruel and irresponsible farming practices (and subsequent role in the evolution of novel viruses), their appalling environmental record, the government sponsored harvesting of tissue from living prisoners, their support of the regimes in North Korea and Syria, hacking of sensitive data by Chinese authorities - the list goes on and on.
While US cities like Detroit became abandoned as a result of economic collapse, China's "ghost cities" are being built in the full knowledge that they will never be occupied. They exist purely as a means to bolster the economy by keeping people employed and providing middle class Chinese with opportunities to invest. They're building 12-24 empty cities every year and that's an unsustainable policy.
Their "one child policy" will be biting them in the butt in the next few decades too, as an aging population retires to be replaced by a smaller workforce. It's a demographic disaster in the making.
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My point being

H2N2 - from China

H3N2 - same

H5N1 - same

SARS - same

H7N9 - same

and other still in the pipeline all from China.

And as China is the 2nd largest economy in the world and have gone too far too fast and are now threatening a financial crisis that will be a knock out blow for the global economy.

They are defaulting on debts right now.

China Trust Defaults Seen as Coal Maturities Quadruple

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The number of trust products tied to China's flagging coal miners maturing this year will almost quadruple, as rising borrowing costs for the ...

Trust defaults seen as coal miners run into trouble
South China Morning Post-9 hours ago

Get ready for more China shadow-banking defaults

CNBC.com-17 Feb 2014Share
China has just settled a high-profile failure of one shadow-banking product and already another has emerged, with analysts expecting a wave ...

And few people thought Lehmans Bank was going to collapse or the Housing bubble would pop.

Death Star indeed.
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How Dangerous Is China's Credit Bubble For The World? [SPDR ...

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The article is ominously entitled "China, the Death Star of Emerging Markets". China has recently made unwelcome headlines, as one of the ...
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China, the death star of emerging markets

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On any list of banking accidents waiting to happen, China is assured a place at the very top. But could a crash there take the entire global ...
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kilt... are you some sort of special agent wannabe? as all these starrrr postes are kind of trashy / messy cancan wannabe documentaries and certain people here are starting having fun and taking this site much less serious once this deathhhh starrr post started.

i feel slowly draged on the naked weather girl level posts, instead of reading first hand class informations...

but it starts to be fun, so please, just continue.... please do not stop this as it really starts my day in a very happy mood...
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atheris - please feel free to contribute. Constructively.
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Originally posted by atheris atheris wrote:

kilt... are you some sort of special agent wannabe? as all these starrrr postes are kind of trashy / messy cancan wannabe documentaries and certain people here are starting having fun and taking this site much less serious once this deathhhh starrr post started.

i feel slowly draged on the naked weather girl level posts, instead of reading first hand class informations...

but it starts to be fun, so please, just continue.... please do not stop this as it really starts my day in a very happy mood...

Did you fail English at school?

All the influenza pandemics (possibly not 1918) and SARS and all the nasty flu bugs we face now dealing death to people in the millions came from China.

And now we have a financial crisis from China to deliver the knock out blow to the world and turn every country into Greece.


Chinese bank bad debts hit crisis level high

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Bad loans made by Chinese banks have risen to highest level the financial crisis, according to figures released by the country's financial ...



And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.
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1918 Flu Pandemic That Killed 50 Million Originated in China...

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The global flu outbreak of 1918 killed 50 million people worldwide, ranking as one of the deadliest epidemics in history. For decades, scientists ...
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Is China facing a looming debt crisis?

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China's leadership and the International Monetary Fund have expressed... and there are fears it could cause a potential debt crisis in China.
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still having some kind of weird fixation... :)

write more when you feel better :)

remembering that the very first post was from the position that the 1918 pandemic was coming tottaly from china, and now (after only a week) you are turning yourself against your own opinions.

dear one, i know 5 languages (not chinese or japanese), so english is not my favourite at it is much too superficial, in too many ways- still i do not see the point of arguing with you, as you are getting your own ideas repolished once a week :)) ... very funny :))
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What is this crazy death star thing??

Total bs. China has near zero debt to gdp.


When I went there recently "MOST OF" the investment money from the west was pouring in. Literally ever where we looked western money building infrastructure, shops, factories, etc etc.

To think China is in trouble is ridiculous.


China is like the modern day equivalent of the Wild West.

I urge others to visit as you cant comprehend the scale until you have seen it first hand. I suggest Shanghai.

Also seeking alpha is total tripe.
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