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    Posted: June 06 2007 at 12:03am
“The United States dollar is facing IMMINENT COLLAPSE in the face of an unsustainable debt.”
 
 
 
Department of Public Information • News and Media Division • New York

PRESS CONFERENCE ON MIDYEAR UPDATE OF WORLD ECONOMIC SITUATION, PROSPECTS


A midyear review of the world economic situation showed that while the global economic outlook was quite positive, large uncertainties surrounded it, Rob Vos, the Director of the Development Policy and Analysis Division of the Department of Economic and Social Affairs (DESA), told correspondents at a Headquarters press conference today.


Launching the midyear update of the 2007 World Economic Situation and Prospects report, he said those uncertainties included a weak United States housing market and global imbalances.


In terms of the United States housing sector, he noted that a recession in the housing sector had continued in 2007, with a slowdown in activity and a large number of unsold homes.  While house prices had not fallen, that might happen in the months and years to come if the recession continued as expected.  A decline in prices would affect the domestic market, particularly household consumption in the United States, resulting in the risk of a serious recession in its economy, slowing growth from 2.1 per cent to 0.5 per cent in 2007 and 2008.  That would then significantly slow the world economy and transmit the recession into the rest of the world.  There had also been problems in the United States subprime mortgage market, which showed the risk of a spill over from the housing to financial markets.


Global imbalances were projected to stabilize in 2007 and 2008, but were still very large, he said.  The United States deficit had increased to $860 billion at the end of 2006, and was expected to fall to $800 billion in 2007.  That deficit was basically being financed by surpluses in the developing and oil exporting countries, as well as some major developed countries, in particular Japan and Germany.  The European Union,at large, was projected to continue to have a slight deficit on its current account. 


United States debt, which had now deepened to well over $3 trillion, might turn out to be unsustainable in the rest of 2007 or next, putting further downward pressure on the United States dollar, he said.  Since its peak in 2002, the dollar had depreciated vis-ŕ-vis the major currencies by some 35 per cent and by 25 per cent against a broader range of other currencies.


With that increased debt the risk of a sharp depreciation of the dollar continued, he said.  If countries willing to invest in United States dollar assets expected further depreciation, they might be less willing to hold dollar assets, triggering a much sharper fall in the United States dollar.  The risk of disorderly adjustment and the steep fall of the dollar existed.  The policy challenge was how to prevent a hard landing of the United States dollar and forge a benign adjustment of the global imbalance.

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Predictions such as this seem to come true.  The dollar has been in trouble for some time and a 40% drop in value has been predicted before.  What a way to wipe out your hard earned savings account.
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It has been a long time coming. The whole world is in for some ****. Maybe, now we can dump the corrupt as hell federal banking system!!
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And I just upped my 410K contributions...should be buying bullets.
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Bullets are an excellent investment, with the prices soaring because of shortages and metal prices soaring, you couldn't do better...many will find in the future that guns without bullets are merely clubs!

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Originally posted by Wunjo Wagon Wunjo Wagon wrote:

Bullets are an excellent investment, with the prices soaring because of shortages and metal prices soaring, you couldn't do better...many will find in the future that guns without bullets are merely clubs!

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Heh...what a quote!
And yeah....I sold all of the stocks/bonds I purchased. Go for the gold! (And, I don't mean a medal). The price is sky high right now, but if you buy bars, I believe it's cheaper. But, bars should only be for consolidating wealth. For trading purposes, I would reccomend small silver and gold coinage, or jewelry (which, was created, in fact, not only for bodily decour, but to transport currency in ancient times). As times get worse, It will become more and more useful to have at least part of your savings conserved in this way. Guns and DEFINITELY ammo are a must have. Any kind of manual (or even power) tools will be highly sought after, as well. Iron cookwear....all of that stuff.
I would reckon vegetable/fruit/plant seeds would be high on the list as well, since you rarely find people growing their own stuff anymore.
Think of what your granddaddy would have covetted, and go for that.
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Originally posted by floriduhgirl floriduhgirl wrote:

Originally posted by Wunjo Wagon Wunjo Wagon wrote:

Bullets are an excellent investment, with the prices soaring because of shortages and metal prices soaring, you couldn't do better...many will find in the future that guns without bullets are merely clubs!Joy to the world!

 

Heh...what a quote!

And yeah....I sold all of the stocks/bonds I purchased. Go for the gold! (And, I don't mean a medal). The price is sky high right now, but if you buy bars, I believe it's cheaper. But, bars should only be for consolidating wealth. For trading purposes, I would reccomend small silver and gold coinage, or jewelry (which, was created, in fact, not only for bodily decour, but to transport currency in ancient times). As times get worse, It will become more and more useful to have at least part of your savings conserved in this way. Guns and DEFINITELY ammo are a must have. Any kind of manual (or even power) tools will be highly sought after, as well. Iron cookwear....all of that stuff.

I would reckon vegetable/fruit/plant seeds would be high on the list as well, since you rarely find people growing their own stuff anymore.

Think of what your granddaddy would have covetted, and go for that.


All excellent advice!

Especially about the ammunition. My brother, father, and I bought nearly 8000 rounds of 7.62x39 when it was only $80/1000 and it's now nearly doubled in value! You can still find it for right around $120/1000 but it's in extreme demand and sells out in a matter of minutes whenever someone gets some in.

My fear of this is that if the Dollar tanks, the Yuan (Chinese currency) is doomed as well.

The world will suffer greatly if the dollar takes a crap. The decreased sales to the US isn't the case we're talking about. We're talking about near cessation of all sales to the US consumer! If the dollar reaches that kind of low, China's just not going to want to do business, but will have to anyway, there's no other consumer base like the US. That would be a disaster the likes of which would absolutely end the Chinese economy. The problem for them is that there's just not the consumer base in Europe, Africa, or anywhere else that there is in the US. Further without the influx of new labor that has reached epidemic proportions in Europe, (They're not having enough children to offset retirements) there's that many fewer consumers there. As it stands, China is already exporting all it can to Europe, with the vast majority, nearly 70%, of its exports headed right here to the US. A crashed US dollar spells imminent doom for everyone else.

If the dollar tanks, the Yuan isn't very far behind. Remember that without the US consumer base, you've got quite a lot of people running around China without jobs, still eating up the food they just can't pay for, rather close to overnight. With a horrible Yuan, China's not going to be able to buy the energy they need. Russia's going to have to make a very difficult choice here, as is the Middle East OPEC nations. Do they sell to both China and the US for the crappy dollar *AND* a crappy Yuan? Do they sell to the US or China exclusively? Or do they sell to whomever has the better valued currency. Whoever decides to sell to the US exclusively now has the Chinese military looking to invade. Regardless of whether China and Russia are "Allies" now, it's not going to last. They were "allies" during the 1970's and that didn't really last long. It particularly wouldn't if both OPEC and Russia sold to the US.

If they sold only to China, the US would absolutely go and take someone's oil. Believe that. Chances are that the US wouldn't go and take Russia's oil as they've got nukes, and that just wouldn't work out. I'll assume that we'd go and take Venezuela's, and China'd look to block that, and that only leads to one place: War. And it would be a war we all lose.

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Excellent posts and advice! I am thinking about stopping contributions to my 401-k and buying some more gold and silver with that money. I think that we are in for some real hard times ahead. I am in good shape with my guns,food,and ammo supply. I am not a survivalist, but sometimes i like to think that way..It is fun starting a fire with a steal and flint!
    
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The United States dollar is facing IMMINENT COLLAPSE in the face of an unsustainable debt.
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Just Gloom and Dooming...  overreacting can be harmful.

We have survived wars, market crashes and pandemics. 


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929

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The crash followed a speculative boom that had taken hold in the late 1920s, which had led millions of Americans to invest heavily in the stock market, a significant number even borrowing money to buy more stock. By August 1929, brokers were routinely lending small investors more than 2/3 of the face value of the stocks they were buying. Over $8.5 billion was out on loan, more than the entire amount of currency circulating in the U.S.[7] The rising share prices encouraged more people to invest; people hoped the share prices would rise further. Speculation thus fueled further rises and created an economic bubble. The average P/E (price to earnings) ratio of S&P Composite stocks was 32.6 in September 1929 [8], clearly above historical norms.

On October 24, 1929 (with the Dow just past its September 3 peak of 381.17), the market finally turned down, and panic selling started. 12,894,650 shares were traded in a single day as people desperately tried to mitigate the situation. This mass sale was considered a major contributing factor to the Great Depression. Economists and historians, however, frequently differ in their views of the Crash's significance in this respect.

Some hold that political over-reactions to the crash, such as the passage of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act through the U.S. Congress, caused more harm than the Crash itself.





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What I posted is an official report from the UN

I am 53 and NEVER have I seen such a thing and it must be taken seriously
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i've been saying for over a year to start converting $$'s into international money.  I highly recommend coins, you can always use them to barter for goods if necessary.
If you have to bury them in a jar in the garden, that's about as safe as anywhere else.  A safe deposit box is great but WTSHTF, you'll have to empty it out and get the stuff home.
 
I wear a French Angel gold coin on a chain, I'm sure it would fetch me a tank of gas if i had to use it.
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Originally posted by Annharra Annharra wrote:


The United States dollar is facing IMMINENT COLLAPSE in the face of an unsustainable debt.
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Just Gloom and Dooming...  overreacting can be harmful.

We have survived wars, market crashes and pandemics. 


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929

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The crash followed a speculative boom that had taken hold in the late 1920s, which had led millions of Americans to invest heavily in the stock market, a significant number even borrowing money to buy more stock. By August 1929, brokers were routinely lending small investors more than 2/3 of the face value of the stocks they were buying. Over $8.5 billion was out on loan, more than the entire amount of currency circulating in the U.S.[7] The rising share prices encouraged more people to invest; people hoped the share prices would rise further. Speculation thus fueled further rises and created an economic bubble. The average P/E (price to earnings) ratio of S&P Composite stocks was 32.6 in September 1929 [8], clearly above historical norms.

On October 24, 1929 (with the Dow just past its September 3 peak of 381.17), the market finally turned down, and panic selling started. 12,894,650 shares were traded in a single day as people desperately tried to mitigate the situation. This mass sale was considered a major contributing factor to the Great Depression. Economists and historians, however, frequently differ in their views of the Crash's significance in this respect.

Some hold that political over-reactions to the crash, such as the passage of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act through the U.S. Congress, caused more harm than the Crash itself.





 
 
 
Not to be extreme, or sound like a nut job, but...you are comparing apples and oranges. Our market has never been so complex, and never have so many people relied on the market for basic survival (that's what all of this prepping is about, is it not?). The entire world relies on the United States, to some degree, for market stability. And, one of the biggest exporter economies, that also happens to have the world's biggest population, relies immensely on us. When it was said above that the Yuan relies on us...they weren't joking.
If two of the world's biggest economies crash....it won't be a blip.
 
I've been discussing our specific situation (which, I believe is becoming a rather nasty case of stagflation, among other things) with my company accountant, and he (who has worked on wallstreet) feels that if anything else, this economy is headed toward an unfortunate destiny. I am inclined to agree with him. Commodities prices have skyrocketed, and we've got a stangnant housing market...unemployment is rising, consumer purchases have gone way down, we have a national debt that cannot physically be paid off (there is not enough printed money in existence...), we are in the middle of a war that looks as if it will only continue, and the middle class seems as if it's slowly disappearing...etc...etc.
And, the devaluation of the dollar....well, I deal with that on a daily basis. See, I work for a travel company that is confronted by currency exchange rates on a regular basis. Our basic operation costs have gone up 20%, because of the devaluation of the dollar....in SOUTH AMERICA. 
 
Alarmism fails to describe where I am with this. This is imminent. So buckle your f***ing seatbelt.
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    This topic (and what gun to buy) seems to always generate lively debate. I can't believe that the world economy is going to collapse in my lifetime but I recognize I might be in denial. While sitting here today I have it made, and life is good, there appears to be an increasing number of "worst case scenerios" popping up that could, if you believe the talk, return us to a middle ages lifestyle. This bee dieing deal...for example...some are saying that if they don't get that figured out and we lose a big chunk of the bee pollination it will be about 4 years before we are starving. And, of course, having most of the world's oil in the hands of despots and nut jobs is troubling. The stock is a big poker game and if the stakes get too high and everyone decides to cash in their chips then those chips end up being worthless....

But I still don't believe anything is going to happen...or maybe its I can't accept that it might. time to stock up on more beer.           
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Originally posted by Never2late Never2late wrote:

    This topic (and what gun to buy) seems to always generate lively debate. I can't believe that the world economy is going to collapse in my lifetime but I recognize I might be in denial. While sitting here today I have it made, and life is good, there appears to be an increasing number of "worst case scenerios" popping up that could, if you believe the talk, return us to a middle ages lifestyle. This bee dieing deal...for example...some are saying that if they don't get that figured out and we lose a big chunk of the bee pollination it will be about 4 years before we are starving. And, of course, having most of the world's oil in the hands of despots and nut jobs is troubling. The stock is a big poker game and if the stakes get too high and everyone decides to cash in their chips then those chips end up being worthless....

But I still don't believe anything is going to happen...or maybe its I can't accept that it might. time to stock up on more beer.           
 
It makes perfect sense. When you build something up high enough, it will topple. That's what we did by globalizing the economy. That's what we did by creating complexeties that weren't necessary. As children, we're taught to believe in the absolute infalibility of democratic ideologies (which I believe in), but, what people don't realize is that our economy isn't a democratic system. It has systematically eaten local infrastructures and small businesses near and far, until all that's left is chains, franchises, and HUGE corporations. We have systematically separated people from trade and craft. They don't know how to do ANYTHING. You remove local industry, and It becomes that much easier to create a domino effect of badness (for lack of a better word). When you have a huge, interlocked corporation, all it takes is one big foul-up and the whole entitiy is on it's knees. But, with local economy...It is hard to make a mountain bow. Local economy has stood the test of time.
We also royally BLEEPed up when we introduced industrial farming, chain grocers, boxed food. We put middlemen between people and their food, and we allowed society to develop a serious problem: no one knows how to cook. They don't know how to build. They don't know how to survive.
When reliance on economy is that great, and then something economically malfunctions, the effect will be felt near and wide.
Last time our economy malfunctioned, people still had the means to take care of themselves. This idea generates two suggestions: A) that the economy has malfunctioned before, and it will, therefore, malfunction again....and....B) If it did malfunction today, we would have a very reduced ability/likelyhood of survival.
With the pace at which things have changed, I feel that it is likely that people don't realize we have only been living like this for 35-40 years. In the scheme of things, that is nothing. This way of life has not passed the test, by any means....it hasn't even taken the test yet. But, when it does, I do not have high expectations for it's success. It has already proven to me that it is flawed.
Although I'm only 20, I am weary to the changes that have taken place. I never lived in the times before there were cellphones or computers....but I belive the reliance on the old ways is about to return. I am not buying into the fallacy that technology somehow immunizes us from failure. In fact, I'm betting on the opposing team. I think all it did was create uneccesary complexity. And, it has ruined us.
We tried to fix something that wasn't broken.
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And, as for the gun thing....I've got a Winchester Defender 1300. Pop a folding stock on the back of that baby....with some #4 birdshot...and you're set to go. Wink
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(BCP) Before cell phones...I remember when our coins were silver, and a first class postage stamp was 4 cents, gas was 25 cents a gallon, and I made $5 an hour while living in a 3 bedroom 2 bath home in the burbs with 2 cars, btw...1 of them was a 66 Chevelle Supersport convertible...don't you just love the new world global economy?

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Originally posted by Wunjo Wagon Wunjo Wagon wrote:

(BCP) Before cell phones...I remember when our coins were silver, and a
first class postage stamp was 4 cents, gas was 25 cents a gallon, and I
made $5 an hour while living in a 3 bedroom 2 bath home in the burbs
with 2 cars, btw...1 of them was a 66 Chevelle Supersport
convertible...don't you just love the new world global economy?

Joy to the world...!

    
It was a happy time. They had flowery meadows, and rainbow skies and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles.

Lol, it was nice BCP when we didn't have to deal with every goomba with a cell phone sticking to their ear as they drive like a drunk.

If the dollar crashes bigtime, oil will become prohibitively expensive. Depending on how far it falls we could feasably see $150 per barrel oil or more! If oil hit that kind of price with the dollar at it's current value we could be looking at $6.00 per gallon gasoline in the US, most of us could afford that if we had to, but it might bring a downturn in the economy. If the dollar's value was cut in half, imagine $12 a gallon!!! That would further speed up a collapse and there just wouldn't be any coming out of it.

World exports would come to a screeching halt virtually overnight. The world's other countries could move to a different currency for oil, but then without the US to keep the world economy up, and other countries further smashing the US economy by dumping dollars, they'd just make a world collapse that much worse as the US drags the rest of the world into the hole. It would definately be fun to watch if you could be an unaffected party and watch the panic unfold, but who could be unaffected?
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Damn I am gettn old i recall those days lol
Something wicked these way comes!!!!
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Originally posted by Wunjo Wagon Wunjo Wagon wrote:

(BCP) Before cell phones...I remember when our coins were silver, and a
first class postage stamp was 4 cents, gas was 25 cents a gallon, and I made $5 an hour while living in a 3 bedroom 2 bath home in the burbs with 2 cars, btw...1 of them was a 66 Chevelle Supersport convertible...don't you just love the new world global economy? Joy to the world...!


Originally posted by Graywolf Graywolf wrote:

Damn I am gettn old i recall those days lol


LOL, yes we are getting old. I remember loading up the surf boards on the 56 chevy, all of us looking for change to buy enough gas to get to the beach to surf before school, go to school, and hope we weren't late for first class. If you were lucky you had PE for first class, and didn't have to smell like the ocean in a class room. Ahhh simple days, no cell phones, no cable, most folks had black and white TV, dial-up telephones, telephone booths you made a call for a dime, riding in the back of trucks, mooning folk (opps) never mind, LOL
     
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