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    Posted: May 02 2013 at 9:11pm
I have crimsafe doors and window screens on my lower floor and can attest to their strength for blunt force strikes.
Don't know how they'd go against bullets though.
 
They are made from .09mm Structural Grade 304 stainless steel woven like mesh. The website has all the testing info.
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I only need to slow them down for a minute or so...
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Originally posted by Colonel Colonel wrote:

Look into using CrimSafe security screens. We had them installed on all windows and doors last year, and they are exactly what we wanted. My concern was someone or group being able to rush the house, smash through a window or door and get in before we had time to react. That's not going to happen now. Any barrier can be breached given enough time, but there would be quite a stack of bodies outside before anyone managed to get through here.
 
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Are those stab/cut resistant?
 
Proof against someone japping a 2x4 through the screen? If someone jabs a board through the screen and then tears it part it's better than nothing, but not 100% secure.
 
Found a domestic link that worked. I'd be interested in checking that stuff out myself.
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Look into using CrimSafe security screens. We had them installed on all windows and doors last year, and they are exactly what we wanted. My concern was someone or group being able to rush the house, smash through a window or door and get in before we had time to react. That's not going to happen now. Any barrier can be breached given enough time, but there would be quite a stack of bodies outside before anyone managed to get through here.

A huge benefit to this system is that it is very aesthetically attractive. It looks like regular window and door screens, only a bit darker. You don't stand out as a high value target, and unless the bad guys do some careful planning and testing, they will be completely unprepared for what they find.

Another benefit - they meet the Miami-Dade hurricane specs, and they qualify us for a very nice discount on your homeowners insurance.

The down side? They are expensive - no way around that part. But look at it this way - it's our house. What will be worth more a few years from now - a secure home or Federal Reserve Notes?

Highly recommended.

http://crimsafe.com.au/
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i understand the film works very well too!
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3M sells a security film for windows that makes it very difficult for someone to break the glass.
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If you assume society will not break down into a shooting situation in your neighborhood overnight.  You can stock up on sandbags, poly bags, or whatever they call them in your area. Build a LARGE sandbox for your kids, or keep an area of your yard well tilled.
If, or when you need to bullet proof your home, sand, or dirt is a very good bullet stop.
Depending on how many people you have in your home, and what shape you are in, sandbags could be filled, and stacked inside or out, up to the bottom of windows to provide protection, in a relatively short time. You most likely would not have to do it all at once, if things are getting bad, start filling, and stacking.
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I too am a fan of the G3, it's just that .308 is unbelievably expensive right now. I simply can't justify paying nearly $600 for a thousand rounds when the exact same stuff was $120/1000 less than a year ago.
 
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I have a tarus pistol that works well and a 270 mossburg bolt action rifle and a sks rifle. I also have a 12 gauge shotgun. So I am equiped for the worst. But my favorite is the G3. It really kicks ass and yes it does use standard nato ammo. In my situation, we really have to do some work on the self protection line. We have rented a storage unit in a town nearby so we can hide some of our stuff.

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mine was reliable out of the box, guess i got lucky............no, really........it has happened!

  I've seen 2 gauge guns, punt guns really and not meant to fire from the shoulder.

  12's are good, teh 16 is almost a thing of the past.
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Detpat, I like the Saiga and own one myself, it's just that without the piston cap mod it wasn't 100 percent reliable. Sometimes I'd get a short stroke, bolt over shell. Got the new plug and now I'd take it with me to the gates of hell, but right off the rack, I dunno.
 
The 870 has been kicking arses since the dawn of shotguns.
 
As always Pat and I are in total agreement that an AK or an AR is the most versatile, and best choice for a social rifle.
 
Knowahhh a 9 gauge shotgun must be extremely, shoulder destroying, powerful! There actually is no such thing at this time, though there might have been at some point in time. The lower the number goes, the more powerful a shotgun is. A Twelve Gauge is the standard shotgun, the sixteen and twenty gauges are smaller and smaller respectively (Mostly made for small people, kids, or close hunting) and then there's the 410 gauge shotgun which is very small and I could only really see it used for very small birds, squirrels, or rabbits. The most powerful shotgun I ever fired was a ten gauge, three and a half inch magnum double barrel, and we were shooting slugs. That damn thing HURT. It is an experience I do not want to revisit. A twelve gauge is more than enough power for any human.
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Sorry it has been so long since I logged in.   Regarding my initial suggestion on bullet proofing you home I did not mean that the panels should be placed 8 ft. high and 4 ft. wide.  Lining your exterior walls thusly would certainly be too much weight unless your home is on a poured concrete slab.  Most conventional wooden homes are built with floor joists (2 X 10 placed on 16 inch centers) and windows sills are usually about 33 inches from the floor.  Under those conditions you ought to consider making your 2 X 4 bullet barriers about 33 inches high (up to the height of your windows) and 8 ft. long.  These panels will weigh somewhat less than 1500 lbs. and unless you live in a trailer Detpat your home shouldn't be jeopardized.


If you come under attack of course it might be wise to move around inside your home below the height of your panels where you are protected.  Then, making sure it is darker inside than it is outside (so you can.t be seen) locate the shooter and then take appropriate action.
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i have most of the "social" type shotguns you can get today and i would suggest either a Remington 870 pump or a siaga 12.  the saiga is of course an akm in 12 gauge and can be reloaded quickly by way of conventional box mags, and the 870 is a very simple and reliable pump action of venerable design.

  if you want something more versatile you might consider a decent rifle of military derivation.  and ak or ar is a pretty good choice, but the ar is generally more accurate and is pretty reliable with minimal maintenance.  with the obamunists in power the prices for everything are up right now.  with a firearm in the modern world, hits count and everything else doesn't!

  don't worry too much about volume of fire as making shots count.  sooner or later you will have to account for all those projectiles!
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Hey i appreciate the advice. I am a nurse not a weapons expert. lol. My nephew thinks a 9 gauge shotgun, he has a glock, and unlike me can shoot very accurately. So my big question, how the hell do we keep one foot in this reality and one in the not too distant future of hell.. just a question...
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A street sweeper is a Destructive device controlled by the BATFE. You'll need a Tax Stamp and a background check before you can legally own it in the U.S. Good luck!
 
(Also they're extremely unweildy, heavy as hell, and not a great choice as far as shotguns go. In my opinion you'd be far better served with a Saiga 12, Remington 1100/1187, or go for the pimpinest shotgun ever, a Benelli M3. Just my opinion and advise, take it or leave it.)
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good point you ,made to my post.. I am lucky because i already live in the country. it is very rural, and i am getting a street sweeper. I guess there is no time for learning great marksmanship now.. It just feels so lonely, noone will listen to me.. So i have stopped talking about it and just am quietly preparing... yes i guess the idea of leaving home is not really too smart.. thanks for reply.. take care
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Therein lies the problem KnowAhhh, you and everyone else has this grand idea that you're going to somehow get out of the city with moments to spare and find yourself camping with like minded people, or escape to your cabin that you've got stocked. Unfortunately that's probably not going to happen.
 
In the case of just about any disaster be it Disease, asteroid, supervolcano, etc, people are all going to go straight from normal to panic mode, jump in their car with the kids and several bags of crap, and hit the road to escape the city that's about to burn itself from the inside out. All of them are going to do this simultaneously in a Katrina esque exodus. Here's where it gets tough...
 
If it's a disaster where people don't think rule of law is going to be restored immediately post disaster, which pretty much means any kind of disaster there are going to be those that are going to prey on the weak. The question is would you rather face badguys in your car that will probably be trapped in gridlock, or in your home. I personally would choose my home, even though it's in a major metropolitan area. Cars don't provide much concealment and almost no cover, particularly when stranded and full of those I care about.
 
If you already live in a small town, AWESOME! That's where you'll have the best chance of surviving any kind of catastrophe. Small towners have protection, typically protect each other, are usually near farmland, and they usually store food.
 
Your idea of going to a place where you can "camp" or whatever sounds appealing, but what kind of people are the "like minded" you're talking about? If it's a hippy commune or some peacenik commune you're thinking about, it'll just be a matter of time before someone with a gun and no conscience victimizes them, and you.
 
On my scale of those that are best off to worst off, best being first:
1. Small towners.
2. Farmers, or those far enough away that you're out of mob attack distance.
3. Suburbanites. Most of these people are fat and rich, AKA, easy pickings. They're the ones that can't afford to abandon their cat (No offense) however many of them are armed and third/fourth tier suburbanites are close to small town status that they might get by, by not allowing outsiders in.
4. City dwellers. Cities would be totally out of food within a week, potable water after five days, and on fire after two weeks. The people that would be left after three weeks in a city without electricity, food and water are either zombies or true survivors. I can only imagine the horrors that one would encounter in a city scenario like that, and would not want to be part of it.
 
The best advise I can give you is: Have a gun, be proficient with it. It doesn't matter if it's bolt action, level, or semi auto, a gun can feed you, cloth you, and best of all, protect you! Even without firing a shot, if someone even has the inkling that you might be armed, they're going to think twice before attempting to take you on.
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has anyone given much thought to leaving home and setting up camp in isolated area. I have also thought of securing home, however just leaving and camping with like minded folks may be less terrorizing to me...
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When the friend of mine did it he had the four inch being the side of the box... the box was four inches deep x appx 20 inches across x 24 inches high. Closed on three sides. It wasn't so heavy that I couldn't pick the box up myself. I'm fairly large, and strong, but I'm not a burly monster.
 
Oops I forgot to end a sentence in my last post. Here goes: I expected it to fail instantly, or the back to be blown out and get penetration, but they wouldn't get through. I sent ten 147 grain ball bullets against it and ten 150 AP. The AP with penetrators wouldn't even get through. We started having fun with trying to mess it up, but nothing we sent against it had the oomph to break through. I'm sure a .50BMG would zip through, but there really isn't anything around that'll stop that kind of firepower short of purpose built structures. If you're facing someone armed with a gun like that, your best bet is to run him out of ammo. You can only carry so many shots of .50.
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   How far apart where the panels (by that I mean how much space was filled with gravel)? If you use 2X4s you could turn them either way, but I should imagine the 4" route would be prohibitively heavy. 
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