So does that mean only acetaminophen is alright to take if you have a virus?  It is my least favorite to take because it does absolutely nothing for my headaches.  Maybe it is ok on fever though I guess.  Interesting!

dr d wrote: The source is a little off center. The cdc source ,mentioned on this website,states using NSAIDS such as motrin,alleve etc. NO contra indications. Fever is a good thing and fever of 104 does NOT create siezures and brain damage. Febrile seizures usually occur in infants and toddlers due to the rapid rise of temperature.At 107 F well you're brain is well not there any more. Patients with pituitary disease may go to 114F but they are mentally incompetent and have uncontrollable seizures   Second; dehydration section: a pulse of ninety is not alarming. Someone with a rapid heart rate-110 120 and above, yes. But to use a heart rate to decide a dehyration staus is inaccurate. Use the moistness of the mouth. Stringy saliva at 2.5% dehydration.5% poor tearing.10% NOtears and poor skin turgor( when you gently pull up some of the skin on the abdominal it is slow to go back down) Nutmeg is a hallucinogen please use with caution

Dr D. wasn't there just a massive amount of data released on the damage of tylenol causing liver damage. So much so they were about to discontinue Vicodin and other heavy tylenol drugs.

http://www.aboutlawsuits.com/tylenol-liver-side-effects-warrant-stronger-warnings-4130/

FDA

FDA officials released a report yesterday in advance of an independent advisory panel meeting scheduled for next month, indicating that stronger warnings are necessary about potential side effects of Tylenol and other painkillers containing acetaminophen, due to the potential risk of liver damage.

The report was released by an FDA working group studying over-the-counter acetaminophen, to provide information for the panel of outside experts convened by the FDA to weigh the drug’s risks and make recommendations about what, if any, regulatory actions are necessary. Although the FDA is not required to follow the recommendations of their advisory panels, they often do.

FDA officials indicated in the report that more stringent warnings about Tylenol liver damage risks are necessary because high doses of acetaminophen can cause serious injuries. Such high doses could occur unintentionally, when consumers do not realize they are taking multiple medications with the drug as the active ingredient, which is common in pain relief and cold medications. In addition, the use of alcohol together with Tylenol or other acetaminophen drugs also could increase the risk of liver damage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/02/tylenol-liver-damage-prom_n_224756.html

I hope all of you heavy Tylenol users have seen the news about the drug that came out around July 1st (2009), to wit:

FDA: “Tylenol = Liver Damage”?
source

Even a small amount of Tylenol and similar generic brands of acetaminophen could cause liver damage. The FDA’s newest guidelines say the maximum daily dose listed on Tylenol and dozens of other painkillers should be reduced to help curb deadly overdoses, according to several news announcements published by the Associated Press on June 30, 2009.

As far back as 2006, studies like the FDA finding warned consumers that acetaminophen, the main ingredient in Tylenol and similar generic brands with the same ingredients is dangerous for liver damage. This comes in the face of the fact that Tylenol is Americans’ over-the-counter painkiller of choice. Acetaminophen overdose is also the leading cause of acute liver damage and failure according to the FDA.

According to the 2006 article, “Tylenol Found to Cause Liver Damage, Even in Small Doses,” published July 5, 2006 in Natural News, “Healthy adults who took the maximum dose of Tylenol for two weeks were found to have liver damage,” according to a study the FDA found in the July 2006 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association. See, “Aminotransferase Elevations in Healthy Adults Receiving 4 Grams of Acetaminophen Daily: A Randomized Controlled Trial,” Paul B. Watkins; Neil Kaplowitz; John T. Slattery; Connie R. Colonese; Salvatore V. Colucci; Paul W. Stewart; Stephen C. Harris, JAMA. 2006;296:87-93.

Doc D... thanks for making the temp thing clear... I posted good info on temp at swineflu.org   if someone can get it off there? it was on fever in children... perhaps I posted it a month ago?  It may even be on this thread.

Mary008 wrote:     NPR Health News ..............................     http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1128     .................

Some updates are needed on the coming second wave including a due date of August 25 for some real eye openers. We have been in the trenches or ERs with little time to post.
Some are headed up to D.C. and also to some M.D. and M.C. type think tanks meetings to deal with a nasty thing that is on the way.

If you will go back to 1898 and do some real research on several pandemics that played out mild and nice and then got really nasty-the warm and fluffy spin which become a staple diet is going to lose a lot of followers when the real deal smacks us in 2-8 weeks.

Most of the infrastructure in moving on this behind the scenes and its great the public is all laid back and comfy- but we may be due for quite a second wave.

Don't get too comfy. Its not over yet.

Med

A SINGLE DOSE MAY NOT CONFER IMMUNITY That is why you have a series of vaccines not just a single dose. THat's what happened with the MMR and now the Varicella

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Mary- the spin is - don't worry- it's no big problem. The biggest problem (and a number are out of it locally here with 'something' that is filling up the ERs.- despite - skirmishes in posting here- I am getting some hard core stuff digging deep- and also seeing the net and media being absolutely flooded with almost cliche spin.

We have reports from people working at hospitals of dozens of people being admitted and deaths from Swine Flu which are not being reported to public or media and kept totally in the black.

Doctors who are giving us information are getting mashed netwise- this include M.D.s who are breaking rank and sharing reports they are getting of the situation as opposed to the spin put out to the public.

Scientists by the hundreds are also breaking rank along with virologists, epideminologists because they actually CARE ABOUT PEOPLE- and while saying the current Pandemic is mild- that TPTB are very concerned and acting unusually reactive (declaring a Pandemic) to a flu strain less virulent than seasonal flu.

This one is different. And we can show it DID NOT exist in the general population for decades.

Creepy huh- well try live virus in vaccines shipped in Europe which has never been explained. Also cases of meningitis which are popping up with also symptoms of Noro (a 40% involvement) I document this one with 3 virologists and some mainstream.

Are we being kept informed of the outbreaks? Let try stop counting the cases, stop reporting cases, keeping a private tally and also using an algorithm to calculate the real numbers in the general population and sharing numbers in the millions of cases while formallly publishing ten of thousands.

The formal numbers are not accurate at all. They hardly even give us a foundation to work on in combating the outbreaks or treatment of the disease.

I am starting a new Level 6 thread- I had done that originally when the story broke and we were there cyber when Dr. Chan was on video live - having told friends 2 hours before of the Pandemic.

Medclinician

 

 

Review finds parallels between 1957 and 2009 pandemics

Lisa Schnirring  Staff Writer

Aug 5, 2009 (CIDRAP News)

 

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/swineflu/news/aug0509panflu57.html

 

 

Now At Level 6 Thread by Mary008

 

 

 

The US government is intending to vaccinate all children in September when school re-opens,

 "necessary and safe",

The US Departments of Health and Homeland Security had declared

 

http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/Fast-tracked%20Swine%20Flu%20Vaccine%20under%20Fire,%20Mae-Wan%20Ho,%20Cummins.pdf

 

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The CDC wants Parents to be aware of Vaccine Safety....
 
 
 
They have a special PDF .... Please read All of it

 

 

Whether influenza vaccination specifically might increase the risk for recurrence of GBS is not known; therefore, avoiding vaccinating persons who are not at high risk for severe influenza complications and who are known to have developed GBS within 6 weeks after a previous influenza vaccination is prudent.
 
 
Although data are limited, for the majority of persons who have a history of GBS and who are at high risk for severe complications from influenza, the established benefits of influenza vaccination justify yearly vaccination.
 

Persons with chronic disorders of the cardiovascular system
should not get live attenuated influenza vaccine.

 
Persons with asthma, reactive airways disease or other chronic disorders of the pulmonary or cardiovascular systems and persons with other underlying medical conditions, including metabolic diseases such as diabetes, renal dysfunction, and hemoglobinopathies

Women should avoid becoming pregnant for 4 weeks following vaccination.

 
 
LAIV should not be administered to children younger than 5 years of age with recurrent wheezing.

 
 
Please read the Entire CDC PDF>>>>>
 
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/vac-admin/downloads/contraindications_guide.pdf