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Topic: School Closures (May Cut Infection Rate By 40%)Posted: July 20 2009 at 8:37am |
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School Closures May Help Limit Swine Flu Damage, Study Finds
By Naomi Kresge July 20 (Bloomberg) -- Closing schools during a severe flu pandemic may cut infection rates as much as 40 percent at the peak of the outbreak because of children’s role in spreading the disease, U.K. researchers said. School closures might be even more effective against swine flu than against seasonal flu, according to a study published today in The Lancet. The research weighed the pros and cons of such a move and stopped short of endorsing it. “The H1N1 pandemic could become more severe, and the current cautious approach of not necessarily recommending school closure in Europe and North America might need reappraisal in the autumn,” the Imperial College London researchers wrote. Governments worldwide are battling the virus, which has taken root across the globe faster than any previous flu pandemic, according to the World Health Organization. Britain’s chief medical officer last week said the National Health Service is bracing for as many as 65,000 deaths from the disease. “Children are thought to be important vectors of transmission, more infectious and susceptible to most influenza strains than adults, and high contact rates in schools favor transmission,” wrote Simon Cauchemez and Neil Ferguson from the college’s department of infectious disease epidemiology. Impact on Economy So far, 60 percent of the world’s reported 39,620 swine flu cases occurred in those aged 18 or younger, according to the study. The researchers used data from intentional or coincidental school closures during past influenza outbreaks, including a study of French school holidays over a 21-year period that found school holidays prevented one in six flu cases and a study of U.S. cities during the 1918 pandemic. Cauchemez, Ferguson and their colleagues also weighed the social and economic impact of closing schools. A 12-week closure could cost as much as 6 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product and up to 1 percent of U.K. GDP, the study said, and could disproportionately affect poor families. “In a severe pandemic, countries might be ready to pay those high social and economic costs,” they wrote. The research will be published in the August edition of the Lancet Infectious Diseases, which focuses on flu. Swine flu has killed 29 people so far in the U.K., health officials said last week. To contact the reporter on this story: Naomi Kresge in Zurich at nkresge@bloomberg.net Last Updated: July 20, 2009 09:48 EDT |
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 8:04pm |
Close schools to stem flu - expertsPublished Date: 21 July 2009
Ministers have been asked to consider closing schools this autumn to help curb the number of swine flu infections.
Amid predictions that the number of cases will soar as the school holidays come to an end, two infection experts have argued that a school closure programme could "break the chains of transmission" and buy time to produce a vaccine.
Professor Neil Ferguson and Dr Simon Cauchemez, from the department of infectious disease epidemiology at Imperial College London, also cited studies showing that closing schools at the height of a flu pandemic could cut the number of cases by up to 45%. "The pandemic could become more severe, and so the current cautious approach of not necessarily recommending school closure in Europe and North America might need reappraisal in the autumn," they said in the paper, published in the leading medical journal The Lancet. The scientists quoted a recent French study which suggested that "proactively" closing schools could reduce flu cases by 13% to 17% overall, and by between 38% and 45% during the outbreak's peak. The report said as children appeared to be more susceptible to the current bug than adults, there could be "strong arguments" for ministers to revisit their policy on school closures. "It is... hoped that closure of schools during the pandemic might break the chains of transmission, with the following potential benefits: reducing the total number of cases; slowing the epidemic to give more time for vaccine production; and reducing the incidence of cases at the peak of the epidemic, limiting both the stress on healthcare systems and peak absenteeism in the general population, and thus increasing community-wide resilience," the researchers said. Schools Secretary Ed Balls told The Guardian that there was "no longer" a case for closing schools to contain the infection's spread as the virus was already established in the community. But he added: "We will be monitoring the situation closely over the school holidays and will review the evidence in late August." On Monday, Health Secretary Andy Burnham sought to reassure pregnant women over swine flu amid criticism of the Government's handling of the issue, saying mothers-to-be do have a higher possibility of complications so should wash their hands frequently with soap and water and avoid contact with people who have swine flu. |
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 8:12pm |
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It will be interesting to see the differences.... if England closes schools and the US does
not.... I'm thinking they will open schools in the fall. It would be very disruptive to close
them.... is their thinking.
One reason we will see lower death rates for these later Influenza pandemics....
Better HealthCare and living conditions.
... guess... where this street scene is?
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 8:27pm |
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This seems like a no-brainer to me. The only sure way we know in stopping or atleast slowing the spread of influenza is to practice social distancing. Why in the world would we send our children into full classrooms, lunch areas, buses, ect. The school my daughter gos to has over a thousand children. Go there during lunch time and you get the drft
For a Virus I bet this looks like an all you can eat buffet.
Now add the recent factual data showing the younger poplation vulnerbility to infection, severity of infections, and deaths.
This seems like common sense
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 9:01pm |
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I agree with you. But :( very hard to stay away from others. we are social animals.
It takes about 3 waves... seering through populations at 3-4 month intervals, for the
virus to burn itself down to something less infective. Rather a long time to hide out.
The seasonal vaccine .... is not all that protective. they didn't have vaccine in 1918 and
about 98% of the people lived. The virus changes too fast to give immunity for very long
Good grief.... they would have to vaccinate everyone every 3-4 months with a new strain
to TRY to keep up with it.... not possible.
People should get a vaccine if they are terrified.... stress is as bad for them. Everyone has
to decide. I think we have had the mild version... yuk. perhaps if we can keep out of
crowds in the winter we will take 5,000 IU of vit D3 every day and hope if we get a third
wave flu it will be a weaker version. I have 5 littles under 5 yrs in my extened family...
so I am ....a little worried too. I pray they don't put mercury in the swine vaccine.
I think I will be sending vitamins :)
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 9:21pm |
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found this over in General Discussion
VIDEO
The Vaccine Nation Documentary Film Trailer Sneak Preview Gary Null's New Controversial
Documentary Film, "Vaccine Nation"
If you want a vaccination I think they will be available perhaps by beginning of November.
If you do not want it.... be polite....ask to sign a religious exemption waiver form.
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or just home school your children.... or wait til they are a bit older to vaccinate them....talk
to your Doctor about that.... waiting a bit....many will agree....on certain vaccines....ask
their opinion.
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All compulsory laws concerning vaccination (including the military) contain exceptions and
waivers. It is these protections placed in the laws that you may legally use to exclude
yourself and your children. Surprisingly, these exceptions were placed there, not for your
sake (although you may take advantage of them), but for the protection of the
establishment.
How is this? Let us assume that these exceptions were not there and everyone was actually forced to be immunized. Should a child die or become mentally or physically disabled, the parent would have the
perfect case to sue the doctor, the school, the health department, and even the state legislature for
enormous damages.
Since they allowed no exceptions, they must accept full responsibility for all the adverse consequences of the law.
However, if exception waivers are placed in the law, the responsibility is then transferred back to the parent. If a child should be injured by immunization, the officials can say, "Well, the parent should have
exempted him if they thought there was any danger."
Therefore, there is in truth no such thing as a compulsory vaccination law in this country. source
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 9:58pm |
Is thimerosal still in the vaccines that children receive?Thimerosal is a compound that is 49.6% mercury by weight Currently, all pediatric vaccines in the routine infant immunization schedule are manufactured without thimerosal as a preservative. As of January 14, 2003, the final lots of vaccines containing thimerosal as a preservative expired. Other vaccines for example, influenza vaccine; tetanus and diphtheria vaccine for older children and adults continue to be manufactured with thimerosal as a preservative although influenza vaccine without thimerosal preservative is also available. _________________________________________________________
Yes I know it sounds daunting, but fact of the matter is there just arent a lot of great choices, so common sense says take the only route you know has an impact. Wil there be holes and will some go out seeking activities with others I would assume so. I guess that would fall under how educated the particular people are or arent (Swine Flu Parties).
I work in a school, and have thought about what could or could not be done at the school level with so many individuals all sharing the same facilities. Where I work not only do we have many sharing resources but we also being in three different groups throughout each day (Morn, AFT, EVE). Logistically, well you get the idea, to a virus this would be the equivelent of a watering whole of life.
I have gone through some serious health issues with my daughter in the last 1 1/2 and her school has been totally cooperative with online assignment collection and submission tools and contact with teacher via web if desired. This was invaluable when she had sto stay home for more than a week at a time.
To me it just makes sense to do everything possible to limit the effects on the children. Common Sense
Just my opinion of course
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 10:00pm |
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Mercury in any form should be banned from use in vaccines especially since there are other viable methods already in use.
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 1:27am |
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The Bloomberg piece is sloppy reporting. It says might prevent "one in six" cases but it ought to read that it might reduce incidence from one in three to one in six. A big difference. And the 6% hit on GDP is nonsense. The reality is that school closings might knock .6% (point six percent) off GDP. That kind of hit - one tenth what Bloomberg asserts - is huge and would send the US economy spinning, so we better hope it aint so, but 6% is around six times the current recession impact so is obviously wrong. That being said, a worse economic toll can be expected if we don't close schools as pandemic rolls through, since everyone staying home is a lot cheaper than keeping schools open pointlessly since too many won't send their kids in and the resulting sick rate will overwhelm every aspect of the health system.
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 8:00am |
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I've been corresponding this morning with the reporter at Bloomberg who penned the piece, and she sent me to her sources that have the 6% figure, so that is what the quoted study claims and my supposition that it is .6% was wrong However, the figure is based on an abstract model and the same study quotes other studies of actual experience that indicate a 10% absenteeism among the poorest resulting from closings because better-heeled folks find in-home daycare (babysitters). The 6% figure assumes 40-100% absenteeism across the population, a stark contrast with the economic impact of 10% among the poorest. I believe that this pandemic will roll down hill hard and a little higher mortality will mean that all bets are off. Not closing schools when pandemic arrives in your town because of fears of decimating economic tolls would be a terrible mistake in every way.
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 9:38am |
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Some interesting points you make.... I wonder how people will handle this? The Govt/ Media gloomed and doomed this for a while. People's reactions will be so different. As you say ...Wealthy will continue to work and find someone to care for ill child. I can remember a working mom (nurse) asking my mom... to care for her ill child while she worked. My mom never did that sort of thing ... but was known for her healthy kids and caring nature... when my brother's entire sports team had meningitis, our Doc told her to keep my brother at home and care for him. Then he nixed the one big water bottle deal at the games... they would squeeze it into their mouths... dumb. I read some writings from the 1600's where it told of a lady who's babies kept dying.... so the father took the next baby and gave it over to family to care for for a few yrs, it lived. Seems the wife was too weak to care for the child.
In the old days an older family member would go check on the new mother and child. My mom did that for me. Meals ... laundry.. bathing baby... and in our county, the nurse visits every new mother to see how they are getting on. County nurses are so important. You can have a county nure look in on people after an operation...to check their vital signs ...wound....nutrition....very valuable. I wonder what their game plan is for this pandemic. I think I will call and ask... do all states have these county nurses?
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 10:28am |
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Finally figured it out
Mullberry street Manhatten NY
that is a really good picture (Resolution) enhanced maybe
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:) yes.... they seem to think it was hand painted., most likely. People lived in very crowed conditions... with horses.. :/ .... all over the place. children looking after children. I have one family member.. sis of a very great gram died in the pandemic NYC..very .pretty. I am going to submit the info and photos to the website on rememberances of the 1918 pandemic. I also have a photo of her young daughter in a photo of girls in their red cross uniforms. a group of about 12 girls...look like preteen age.
The photo of her daughter was taken near Syracuse NY in 1919... she was then a ward of her mothers sister's family.
here are some examples of other kids in Junior Red Cross Uniforms....
![]() Nannie & Caroline North Carolina, 1918
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 12:01pm |
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Neat pics
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 1:35pm |
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They will only close the schools when kids start dropping like flies.The districts get paid per head.They have even made rules that your child can be out only so many times for Dr. appt and the like.It is and always will be about money.
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 2:04pm |
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During the Spanish Flu the Health Officials were afraid to publish the fact that infection rates had gone down for fear people would ease up on social distancing and make them go back up.
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 5:50pm |
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I sure hope they do not wait that long (Dropping Like Flies)
I guess it would depend on the truancy laws in the state you reside as far as rulles.
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I work in a school and YES they will have to drop like flies before they call school off. Most likely they will only do it school by school not the whole distric.
I for one will have a hard time to decide when I need to SIP, I have a teen in HS and I work in a school. Might lose my job but better than my childs life or my life. |
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 10:46pm |
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I feel if they send kids back, there will be quite a lot of illness by the end of September.
It is so cold here. Nights are very cool and we have not needed AC this summer....very odd. Damp...rains every few days. Older folks here have had no flu...so far kids had it milder than parents. wondering about the fall in NY.
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Posted: July 22 2009 at 3:51am |
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Hi Mary. Yes strange summer it is, seems like we are in the month of sept! Our pool water has only reached the high of 78.. Still alway's lurking here, no time to post much any more.My best Coyote
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