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Libya (Large Oil Exporter to Europe and US)

 

Gaddafi may have fled Tripoli (Rumor--May be en-route to Venezuela)

Government Building on Fire including Parliament as protests and violence spreads to the Capital (Tripoli)

Gaddafi son warns there will be rivers of blood in Lybia (Civil War)

Al-Zuwayya tribe in eastern Libya has threatened to cut off oil exports (Eastern Lybia)

Protesters have apparently seized control of Benghazi, Libya's second-largest city

Libya Minister of Justice and Ambassador to Arab League resign over violence

Over 225 are dead possibly as many as 400

Internet has been blocked as well as most phone services

International Press Banned from Entering Country & broadcasting events

Gaddafi seems to be loosing support from within

Senior Military Officials included in Libian Military flights (Defections to Island-Malta)
Europe and US call for Non Emergency Personel to Evacuate Lybya
Oil Companies planning Evacuation of Employees

 

Bahrain

 

Thousands of Anti Government Protesters retake Pearl Square in the Capital City after being ousted days ago by Government forces.

 

Yemen

 

10 straight days of Anti Government Protests

11 Dead and many Injured (More Gunfire Today)

Thousands protest in several Cities

President Defies calls to step down, says he will only step down through the ballot box

 

Egypt

 

British Prime Minister Arrives in Egypt to Discuss Democratic Reforms with Military Leader and will attempt to meet with Egyptian Political Groups (Not Brotherhood)

Many business have re-opened including Banks to the Great Pyramid tourist attractions.

Egyptian man names child (Facebook) in honor of Role in Revolution

 

Iran

 

Massive Security ad Police Forces deployed in streets of Tehran to squash Anti Government Protests before they begin (Clashes Elsewhere)

 

Morroco

 

30+ Thousand March in Anti Government Protests (New)

Arrests and violence (5 dead many injured)

 

Tunisia

 

Thousands march on Capital to demand ouster of interim Government who have dragged their feet on reforms and election dates

 

Djibouti

 

Anti Government Protesters March and demand Regime Step Down

Government releases some Activists after classes and arrests

 

Algeria

 

Algerian Officials insist TunisiaEgypt Revolts will not overtake Algeria

 

IRAQ

 

At least eight people, four police and four civilians, were reported wounded when clashes erupted during a rally in the Iraqi Kurdish city of Sulaimaniyah.

 

JORDAN

King Abdullah tries to usher in speedy Government Reforms in an attempt to respond to limited Anti Government Protests
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Unconfirmed reports that Libyan Military Airforce is bombing Anti-Government Protests in Capital (Tripoli)
 
Will Libya's (40 Year) Dictatorship fall by the end of the day? (That was a bit premature)
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Defient Libian Strongman Gadaffi and A Official Government Spokesman goes on Libiyan national TV and blames Qatar, Aljazeera TV, UK, US, and young people on hallucinogenic drugs.
 
Part Of Gadaffi Speech (Kookoo----Kookoo)
 
 
Some of Eastern Army switching sides (With Anti-Government Protesters)
 
A US Government chartered ferry will depart Tripoli from the As-shahab Port in central Tripoli 2-23 (First Come First Serve)
 
Abdul-Fatah Younis, the Interior Minister and an army general, announced his renunciation of his post and support for the "February 17 revolution"
 
A Libyan warship has  arrived off the coast of Malta after its Captain refused orders to shell Benghazi. A second Libyan ship has also reportedly been sighted in the area.
 
 
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Libya future 'an open question': Gates

 
Wed Feb 23, 1:55 pm ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) -- Libya's future is an "open question" with strongman Moamer Kadhafi potentially able to cling to power through violence, US Defense Secretary Robert Gates was quoted Wednesday as saying.

"Whether he's able to re-establish control through extraordinarily bloody repression, whether the army boots him out... I think it's really an open question at this point," Gates said in an interview published by the conservative magazine The Weekly Standard.

Gates said that the Libyan military was "fragmenting" and had never been as cohesive as armed forces in other countries, a likely reference to neighboring Egypt where the army took charge after protesters toppled leader Hosni Mubarak.

The US defense chief mused that if Kadhafi were to fall, Libya could return to its structure before 1963 when it was made up of three provinces -- Cyrenaica bordering Egypt, a western coastal region and a section oriented toward sub-Saharan Africa.

In the interview, which the magazine said was conducted Tuesday by several US commentators, Gates indicated that the United States may find it difficult to implement a proposed no-fly zone over Libya.

"The French -- I don't know what the British have in the area -- but the French and the Italians potentially, I suppose, could have some assets they could put in there quicker," he said.

Witnesses say that Kadhafi has turned air power on demonstrators in a bid to crush the uprising, which has killed hundreds of people.

 
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Libyan Oil & Gas Production Maps (Fairly Up-Dated)
 
 

 

 

 
 
 
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Skeliton comes out of Gadaffi Closet
Libyan Justice Minister who flipped sides to Anti-Government Protesters gives astonishing interview with Swedish Web Outlet (Expressen)
 
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Minister: I saw the devil in Gaddafi
Al Bayda. Muammar Gaddafi gave himself ordered the Lockerbie bombing.
It now reveals the renegade Justice Minister Mohamed Mustafa Abud Al-Jalil - in an exclusive interview with Expressen.
And the former minister said that it can only end in one way.
- He will do what Hitler did - he should kill himself, "said Abud Al-Jalil.
 
Expressen met yesterday jumped Libyan Justice Minister Mustafa Mohamed Abud al-Jalil in the city of Al Bayda.
He gets there alone in a white Toyota to speak at a meeting in the local parliament building.
He is dressed in a dark winter suit and a burgundy Libyan hat and greeted by hundreds of demonstrators.
He believes that Gaddafi will soon be overthrown - and that there is only a given end.
A suicide - just about Hitler during the final days in Berlin.
In the Expressen interview, which lasted 40 minutes, "says Mustafa Mohamed Abud al-Jalil for the first time that there was a dictator Muammar Gaddafi personally who was behind the terrorist atrocity at Lockerbie 1988th 270 people were killed when a bomb exploded in the plane and crashed over Lockerbie community in southern Scotland.
- I have information that is one hundred percent sure, that Gaddafi is behind the tragedy at Lockerbie, said Mustafa Mohamed Abud al-Jalil.
- There is nothing I think - it is something I know and are 100 percent sure.
- He gave the orders for intelligence officers and to Magrahi (bomber) to carry out the Lockerbie attack.


Tried to get home to the offender
According to Mustafa Mohamed Abud al-Jalil was Muammar Gaddafi also deeply involved in the process of getting home Abdelbaset al-Megrahi who was convicted of the attack.
- He did his best to get back to the offender for the terrorist attack from Scotland to Libya. Al-Megrahi is one of the few people who have been key to the riddle. The answer to the riddle is that Gaddafi gave the orders.
More to Mustafa Mohamed Abud al-Jalil did not say in front of all the people who surround us.
- It is not the time to say everything now, but it will, he says, adding:
- I do not want to reveal the names involved, for the sake of the country.
Mustafa Mohamed Abud al-Jalil was minister for the first time in 2007.


Jumped out of three times
- My goal was to reform the legal system and replace the Libyans whose property and assets confiscated regime. I also wanted to sort out the massacre of Boslim prison since 1200 prisoners were executed in a single day.
The regime refused to accept his decision, because he quit.
Next time he left his post was in 2009 when Gaddafi gave amnesty to convicted murderer who was released without murder victims' families agreed to it.
Even last year he became Minister. On 19 February 2010, he jumped off for the last time. When he left his post, he chose to join the people.
- I knew that the regime had mercenaries long before the uprising. In several cabinet meetings the government decided to grant citizenship to people from Chad and Niger. I protested, and it is documented. I have demanded that instead would give citizenship to children whose mothers are from Libya but married to foreign nationals.
The renegade minister also has a long career behind her convictions. He is known for his fair judgments, and is referred to as "the man with the white hand."
When he became a minister he had access to top secret information on prisons and the people who were executed by the regime.
- There is a small group within the regime that knows it. There are secret prisons located in Tripoli and Benghazi in. There are all kidnapped and imprisoned as no one knows anything about. There are people whose families believe they are dead.
It's about people from Libya but also foreigners who lured from his exile in countries such as Morocco or Egypt, and executed.


"I saw the devil in him"
- It was mainly the opposition leaders, such Izaad electricity Mkariaf and Jballa feeder that lived in the United States. They were tricked into Morocco, which in turn handed them on to the regime, "said Mustafa Mohamed Abud al-Jalil.
He adds:
- I saw the devil in him. Now is the time for all diplomats in Sweden and all over the world to distance themselves from murderous regime. I ask them to remain at their posts but they go out and declare their stand on people's side.
Before he leaves the main hall of the parliament building, he answers a final question, how he thinks it will end on Muammar Gaddafi.
- Mr Gaddafi's days are numbered. He will do what Hitler did - he should kill himself, "said Abud Al-Jalil.
 
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Army of Gaddafi bombarded pro-democracy demonstrators near Tripoli
 
(Ahlul Bayt News Agency) source: P.TDate: 2011/02/27
 
- Forces loyal to Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi have bombarded pro-democracy demonstrators, who are zeroing in on the capital, Tripoli.

The heavy bombardment was reported in Zawiyah, some 50 kilometers west of Tripoli.

The violence act came hours after demonstrators took control of the strategically important town.

Two thousand people have been reported killed in the weeks-long violence.

The embattled regime has recently used aerial attacks and poison gas against the peaceful protesters.

Reports also say forces and foreign mercenaries loyal to Gaddafi have surrendered parts of Tripoli to pro-democracy protesters.

The residents of some neighborhoods in the capital have barricaded their streets and proclaimed open defiance.

The anti-government demonstrations continue across Libya as more cities fall under protesters' control.

Protesters have already seized control of several cities including Libya's second largest city, Benghazi. They are calling for an end to the long-time rule of Colonel Gaddafi.

Meanwhile, Libyan protest leaders have established a transitional national council in cities seized by anti-regime forces.

Gaddafi has recently announced plans to arm his supporters to fight his opponents.

The UN Security Council has imposed sanctions on the Libyan regime and has referred Gaddafi to the International Criminal Court.

http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&id=228613

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Is it time for USA to intervene Militarily in Libya???????????
 
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I say we stay the hell out of that fly-trap, as far as deploying US troops go! Let Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Bahrain, and Dubai step up to the plate!
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US Military Moves Forces for Possible Libya Mission

 
"We have planners working various contingency plans, and I think it's safe to say as part of this we are repositioning forces to provide for that flexibility, once decisions are made,"
 
 
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Yemen's President Blames US, Israel for Arab Unrest

Speaking Tuesday, Saleh accused the United States and Israel of working together to cause uprisings in Yemen and other parts of the Arab world, saying the alleged plot is orchestrated in Tel Aviv under U.S. supervision.

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Originally posted by mrmouse mrmouse wrote:

I say we stay the hell out of that fly-trap, as far as deploying US troops go! Let Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Bahrain, and Dubai step up to the plate!
 
I am with you mr, sept not sure any of the countries (Saudi Arabia, Jordon, and Bahrain) could intervene. Maybe Saudi Arabia who just gave their population a 15 % raise to pre-empt their own problems, Bahrain is scrambling to keep things together and Jordon is also experiencing some protests.
 
Europe should bear the brunt of this one I believe, especially if Military intervention is needed to stop an all out shoot-out, and being how they recieve 80+ % of the crude from Libya. Perhaps we could assist in a No Fly Zone to keep his airforce grounded. From what I understand about Libya it is very Clan oriented still and Gadaffi's clan controls the Airforce. Not sure we could just sit back and watch someone like Gadaffi all out bombing his own cities and people for long without doing something.
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# Gadhafi warns 'thousands of Libyans' will die if U.S. or NATO intervene in protest-torn country - AP http://apne.ws/f4aSsK 9 minutes ago via breakingnews.com

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Sorry, I say "NO WAY" to doing anything in any of these countries. Let Europe be the "bad guys". We have paid our dues with 9/11 and Iraq, Afganistan and Bosnia. We need to keep out and let the people of these countries fight their own civil wars.

I am usually a Hawk but I know when to stay out. These people do not want our help!
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When is enough, enough? I thought Obama was the antithesis of George Jr., so much for Hope and Change!


14 Potential Justifications For An Invasion Of Libya By The U.S. Military That Are Currently Being Floated In The Mainstream Media.

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Update

 

Libya

 

Libya at this point has become a failed State with Anti-Government Protesters now armed and in control of Eastern Libya and parts of the west while Pro Gadaffi forces in control of the West. Some 75+% of oil production facilities are in control of Anti-Government forces while Gadaffi continues attacks to on these areas to regain control. In the past 24 hours Gadaffi forces have surrounded the City of Az Zawiyah just to the southwest of Tripoli and have been firing heavy artillery from all sides and using heavily armored vehicles in an attempt to break through Anti-Government forces who shakely hold control.

 

 

Yemen

 

Tens of thousands protest across the country calling for the Presidents Resignation after a day earlier when Government forces opened fire on protester killing four and wounding many more. Saleh, who has been in power for 32 years has rejected an opposition proposal for him to step down by the end of 2011.

 

 

Bahrain

 

Many thousands continue to protest in the tiny nation which is approaching its third week. Government has agreed to meet to discuss reforms days after violence broke out between pro and anti Government protesters.

 

 
Jordon

 

Thousands pour into the streets after Government rejects calls for a Constitutional Monarchy which would strip the executive powers from the current King Abdullah. The Government is rejecting calls for any change.  

 

 

Iraq

 

Thousands of protester converge on the capital and other locations around the country demonstrating against Governmental Corruption and for better Public Services.

 

 

Iran

 

70 plus activists arrested in protests the Iranian Government insists is not happening. Massive police and security forces have been mobilized to put down protests using tear gas and force to disburse protests.

 

Oman

 

Protests break out against Government Corruption but not there leader. Oman Leader has spent much of the Countries Wealth on Healthcare, Infrastructure, and other major projects to improve the Country. This nation also has extended Women’s rights well beyond most other Gulf States.

 

 

 
Sudi Arabia

 

Bans all protests and marches in the Country. This after last week’s announcement to raise wages by 15 percent and allocating several hundred billion dollars to be spent across the country to improve education, housing, healthcare, and other national projects.

 

 
Egypt

 

Fresah protests and marches now focusing in on Justice for those who have commited crimes against the people of Egypt. Travel bans on Mubarak and others as well as some arrests and charges have begun. New Transitional Prime Minister addresses huge crowd in Tahrir (Liberation) Square claiming if he can not bring democratic reforms he will resign and join them.

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Gates on urgent mission to Cairo as military rulers lose grip
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report March 5, 2011, 8:56 PM (GMT+02:00)
US Defense Secretary Robert Gates

President Barack Obama Saturday, March 5, asked Defense Secretary Robert Gates to set out for Cairo without delay on an emergency mission as the unrest in Egypt veered out of control, debkafile's exclusive sources report from Washington. Friday night, thousands of protesters seized control of the headquarters Egyptian security police (Mahabis Namn El Dawla) in Alexandria, Cairo and the nearby 6 of October town, shutting down its operations across the country.

In the last hours, information reaching Washington indicated that control was slipping out of the hands of the Egyptian military junta ruling the country since Hosni Mubarak's overthrow; anti-American elements energized by Iran appeared to have strengthened their hold on the protest movement, causing deep concern in the White House.
The capture of the three Mahabis centers opened to disaffected elements the secret files on every political and military leader in the country, confidential information once accessible only to ex-intelligence minister Gen. Omar Suleiman before the uprising.

While the Obama administration has a better inside picture of Egypt's opposition groups than it has about Libya, intelligence is still inadequate about the shape of the local leadership of those groups and to whom they defer.

Last Wednesday, March 2, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton accused Iran of stirring the pot when she addressed the House Appropriations Committee: "They (the Iranians) are using Hizballah… to communicate with counterparts… in (the Palestinian movement) Hamas who then in turn communicate with counterparts in Egypt," she said.
debkafile's sources report that large sums of Iranian petrodollars have reached the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and radicalized its message to the Egyptian people. Military young leaders are believed to have executed a coup and displaced the veterans. The Palestinian Hamas has turned its well-oiled smuggling machine into a channel for transmitting Iranian cash to keep Egyptian Islamic extremists on the march.

The Israeli government is the only one in the region to show no concern about violent mayhem spurting up across its border, and has apparently shrugged off the key role played by the Palestinian rulers of Gaza in stirring up trouble in Egypt at Tehran's behest ,and the rising strength of the Muslim Brotherhood - both of which have a dangerous impact on Israeli security.

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It's like it 1979 all over again, like when the Shah fell!

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Jewish Response to the Obama Cairo Speechwww.youtube.com/watch?v=nImmsxXoLO0
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8 British troops captured in Libya
www.presstv.ir/detail/168409.html

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