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Elver
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Topic: Clinical Trial H5N1 vaccine in VietnamPosted: March 03 2012 at 3:32pm |
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Testing of 1200 people with an H5N1 vaccine in Vietnam is happing now & will conclude by the end of 2012.
I have read many times that vaccinations cause what they are trying to eliminate. This was the case with Polio &, most recently, the whooping cough. It could likely be that all this testing will cause what they want to protect us against.
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Posted: March 03 2012 at 8:23pm |
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The biggest problem I have is producing a vaccine using a non pandemic strain. By the time it's mutated enough to go human to human it's likely that this vaccine will be useless. The seasonal flu vaccine is a mix of three vaccines (trivalent) to cover the strains expected the following season, and even with only six months lead time it's hit and miss. Give H5N1 a few years of brewing up an H2H strain in poultry and/or pigs and it probably won't bear any resemblance to the current virus.
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Posted: March 04 2012 at 3:06pm |
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When I hear on TV Doomsday that 200 people are born every minute on the earth...mother nature is going to find a way to cull out too many people.
We have too many people...just hope it is not my family. But it will be the luck of the draw if H5N1 goes HTH. |
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Posted: March 04 2012 at 3:15pm |
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HI ALL
i totally agree with flumom and jacksdad the very nature of viruses means they adapt and change thats why we have never cured the common cold,this is what facinated me about them from when i read my first biology book 1st high school 40 years ago, so sorry Elver dont hope for a vaccine it will never happen polio and whooping cough are bactierial not viruses that means they hardly ever change much thats why you can make a vaccine for them,a virus is not out to kill us it only wants to do what we all do" reproduce" its only in the process it kills us
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Posted: March 04 2012 at 9:57pm |
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I used to stand in line at our grocery store to get the flu shot every year, but after reading a lot about the dangers of vaccinations I've become really scared of them. I'm not sure that they don't do more harm than good. At this point I don't want to be injected for anything except an antibiotic if I get really sick. This article scared me. http://www.naturalnews.com/033584_Dr_Maurice_Hilleman_SV40.htmlHere's the actual audio file.
Just think, that if they wanted to depopulate all they would have to do is to convince people that we have a pandemic and then give people the supposed cure via a flu vaccine that actually does the killing.
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Posted: March 05 2012 at 4:35am |
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if they wanted to depopulate they would just relase an ethnic spercific virus depending which race they want to get rid of first ,me so glad i got a very mixed up blood line lol
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Posted: March 05 2012 at 10:56pm |
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Did you listen to the audio that I pasted above? What did you think of it?
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 1:38am |
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HI yes watched it ,have you read "HOT ZONE " by Richard Preston, along the road's they are building in Africa a large amount of "BUSH MEAT" is taken from the jungle this happens all over the developing world aswell,we could well see the next virus come
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 6:40am |
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hi all found this what is h5n2
TAIPEI - Taiwan has reported its first outbreak of the highly pathogenic H5N2 avian influenza, with almost 58,000 chickens culled in two farms, agricultural authorities confirmed yesterday. About 53,000 chickens in a Changhua County farm were culled yesterday morning, while another 4,500 in another farm in Tainan met the same fate on Feb. 10, the Council of Agriculture (COA) said. The COA said it has already reported the outbreak to the World Organization of Animal Health (OIE) but there are no signs that the bird flu has spread to other farms. A ban has been imposed on all poultry product exports, which could incur losses of about NT$600 million, the COA said. The COA maintained that the H5N2 virus does not affect human health. The COA said it first received a dead chicken sent from the egg-laying farm in Changhua on Dec. 27, 2011, and lab tests later determined that it died of the highly pathogenic H5N2 bird flu. But the decision to cull the birds at the Changhua farm was not made until Friday, the COA said. It attributed the belated move to time needed to confirm that the chickens that showed atypical symptoms were indeed infected with the highly pathogenic virus. The cases in Tainan were detected on Feb. 7 this year, with its chickens all culled on Feb. 10, according to the COA. But an activist who has been tracking flu in Taiwan accused the COA of trying to conceal the outbreak. Lee Hui-jen, who has made an award-winning documentary on alleged cover-ups by Taiwan's officials and farmers in the face the H5N2 virus, said the COA should have culled the Changhua chickens after confirming the outbreak in January. He said he was the one who sent the dead chicken from the Changhua farm to the COA in December. He said he became suspicious after egg prices soared. Before the control measures were imposed, the Changhua farm had still been allowed to deliver eggs to the market without any disinfection done, the United Evening News cited unnamed officials as saying. But the COA maintained that during the outbreak all eggs from the Changhua farm were disinfected before delivery. Unlike the H5N1 bird flu virus that has both sickened and killed people, the H5N2 strand does not affect humans, the COA maintained. None of the three farmers and six inspectors who came into contact with the infected chickens in the latest outbreak showed symptoms of infection, said the Center for Disease Control (CDC). Further tests have shown that they do not carry the virus, the CDC added. Taiwan reported its first low-pathogenic H5N2 outbreak in 2004, with chickens from about 20 farms culled, the COA said. The local chicken farm association said poultry product exports may be affected by the latest outbreak, but the impact may be limited if the disease control is effective. Poultry meat is one of the country's top poultry product exports, with a value of NT$360-NT$370 million per year, said Hsu Kuei-sen, director of the COA's animal husbandry division. Other exports being affected by the export ban include preserved eggs, salted duck eggs, raw eggs and pet birds, Hsu added. Taiwan's poultry exports could resume after no H5N2 case appear for three months. The Changhua farmer is expected to receive compensation of NT$7.5 million for the culled chickens, the United Evening News said. Local egg prices are unlikely to be affected by the outbreak, as the Changhua farm accounts for only a small portion of the supply chain, agricultural officials in the central county were cited as saying. < style="width: 232px; height: 20px;" ="twitter-follow-" title="Twitter Follow " ="http://plat.twitter.com/widgets/follow_.1330977499.#_=1331044675566&id=twitter-widget-2&lang=en&screen_name=sphasiaone&show_count=true&show_screen_name=true&size=m" Border="0" allowTransparency="true" scrolling="no">>
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 8:32am |
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Carbon20 - H5N2 has been showing up in poultry for a while now. It's pretty nasty and when it goes high path it causes something close to ebola in infected chickens - their internal organs are basically liquified. It resulted in the deaths of 17 million chickens in Pennsylvania in 1983, either directly or by culling. More disturbing is that pigs raised nearby and fed dead birds were infected too. Another pandemic candidate in the making?
Bush meat (and also deforestation driving wild animals into closer contact with humans) is a huge concern amongst researchers, and will undoubtedly result in new diseases. SARS, HIV, Ebola - they'll all came from deep in the forests and jungles of the world, and we can only guess what's still hiding there waiting for us to crash the party. |
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 3:03pm |
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thanks for that,JD i learn somthing new every day ,after Google-ing h5n2 found out quite a bit. The more informed we get the better prepared we are, P,P,P,P,P Prior, Preparation, Prevents, Poor. Performance
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