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    Posted: March 28 2012 at 8:40pm
I have a theory as to why gas prices have risen so dramatically.
 
I think that the oil companies want Obama out of office.  Obama hasn't issued very many oil drilling permits so the oil companies can't drill what they'd like.  I'm assuming that these oil giants are in collusion to raise prices on purpose so Obama loses the election since he is bad for their business.  This is bad for our pocketbooks, but great that we might get "ZERO" out of office.  We usually get a spike in gas prices every May.  They've just moved the timeline up a couple of months.  I doubt gas prices will fall until after the elections.
 
 
Any thoughts?
 
 
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LOL, not a bad theory, I have also thought the same thing. We will see if it is correct in November.
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Obama is apparently fighting back at the oil companies because I heard on the news today that he wants to end tax subsidies for the oil companies.  I can't see how they need that anyway.  The oil companies will probably hike gas prices even further to get him out of office.
 
 
Assuming that the oil companies are making record profits, then the gas price hike has to be a deliberate attempt to get him out of office.  I'll gladly pay more at the pump to get "ZERO" removed from office.
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So Your A Corporate Fascist Then (Nice)
 
You seem to know what your against, do you have any CLUE what it is you are for
 
 
 
 
Oh and dont worry all those right wing idiots you all put in office have blocked ending the Corporate Welfare system to Big Oil who by the way made more than 80 billion dollars last year!
 
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No, I'm not a corporate fascist.  I just don't want a Muslim in hiding trying to ruin this country in a not so obvious way.  I don't like Obama & don't believe anything he says.  Watch what the man does, not what he says.  If he would approve the pipeline then we could put lots of people to work.  If he would approve oil drilling permits, we'd get more oil & put more people to work.  Obama is against doing anything that will help this country.  He's run up the deficit far greater than any other president in history, including George Bush.  His single goal is to ruin this country any way he can.
 
The oil companies are NOT getting corporate welfare, but rather tax breaks.  Read this.
 
"The effective tax rate of oil and gas companies is 41.1 percent for 2010 (taxes as a share of net income) compared to 26.5 percent for other manufacturers on the S&P Industrial index."
 
I'm sorry that you're not savvy enough to see through Obama's misinformation campaign.
 
Also, you appear to be anti-business.  Well let me explain something to you.  Business is how people get jobs, make an income so they can pay their bills.  Welfare only works until you run out of other people's money to spend.
 
I'm for workfare instead of welfare.
If we have to have welfare, then I'm for lifetime maximum time limits on it.
I"m for headstart so mother's can work & not lay around on their asses all day.
I'm against socialized Obamacare.
I"m against any type of subsidy for illegal aliens & that includes public education.  (They should all go back to where they came from & enter the U.S. legally.)
I'm for border security because without a border we have no country.
 
By the way, what exactly are you for?  Let me guess; welfare, foodstamps, subsidies for illegals, & free everything to anyone too lazy to work for it?
 
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Im sorry your not savvy enough to be able to recognize fear mongering for votes when you see it.
 
Dont insult me look in the damn mirror instead of out the window. You have been conned for your vote dont you get it yet!!!
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Yes Elver its a secret conspiricy theory, he is a Muslim Terrorist in hiding and going to bring our country down. Yup they planned this 60 years ago to get the islamist in the whitehouse.
 
Oh lets not forget the Communist, Socialist, Maoist, fascist, Illegal Allien.
 
Your entire party has become one big conspiricy theory, its a joke.
 
And by the way, because I am against Corporat Welfare to corporations who have admittted it is not needed once oil hits 60 to 70 dollars a barrel does not make me anti business. Its just like a republican to attack someone instead of looking at the facts.
 
Profitize the profits and socialize the losses (The New Republican Party) Socialists hiding behind the flag (What A Joke)
 
I am for work (Not Corporate Welfare)
I am not for the Corporate State (Fascism)
I do Not worship Money I worship The Lord
I am not for the wealthiest people in the country paying 10 % less than the average worker
 
 
And by the way Obama has opened up All of the gulf of mexico for drilling and a large portion of the waters off Alsaska. It will not matter, we can not, I repeat we can not DRILL OUR WAY OUT OF THIS OIL MESS.
 
If you would stop being afraid for 2 seconds perhaps you would realize some truths of our situation and start realizing the solutions are far more complex than a cute one liner!!!
 
 
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Whether you want to admit it or not, Obama is a Muslim.  That is a fact.  The evidence of this is everywhere if only you're willing to really see it.  He shouldn't even be in office as his birth certificate is a fake & done by an amateur. 
Page down & watch this short clip where Obama slipped up about his Muslim religion.
There is other evidence out there, you just have to open your eyes to see it all.
 
I agree with you that we cannot drill our way out of the oil shortages we will be facing.  However, doing absolutely nothing will only make it a whole lot worse.  You can't possibly replace oil through all the other technologies combined.  Did you know that it takes OIL to make wind turbines, solar panels, & batteries?  We couldn't possibly make enough to satisfy our energy requirements & it would take 20 years to get more nuclear energy on line.  It is quite lovely to dream about alternative energy, but it isn't a practical alternative.
 
No one is socializing the losses more than Obama & the Federal Reserve through TARP to infinity.  They have 2 choices.  1)  Let everything collapse & have a horrible depression or 2) inflate our way out of this.  I'm not happy with either one of these choices.  Bailing out the banks was only 1 issue.  The government's huge mountain of debt is the second issue.  The thing that will bring down everything is the huge amount of derivatives outstanding.  Everything will collapse at some point.
 
The democrats and republicans are responsible for horrific spending & for the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act which limited commercial bank securities activities.  The Gramm, Leach, Bliley Act repealed Glass Steagall in 1999.    This bill was sponsered by 3 Republicans, BUT it passed by a bipartisan vote of 343-86 (Republicans 205-16; Democrats 138-69; Independent 0-1).
 
I am so sick and tired of the Liberals spewing their mistruths and blaming only the Republican party when the Democrats are even more responsible.  Check out the facts concerning which Congress spent the most, Democrats or Republicans.  It seems that the Republican party is by far the most reponsible party, by far!  Nancy Pelosi's rein is by far the worst on record.
 
Regarding your comment about fear mongering, you had better be afraid, very very afraid.  Our government is broke.  The government debt is currently $15.6 trillion.
The current unfunded liabilities are $118 trillion & is mathematically impossible to maintain. 
Therefore, we will either see hyperinflation to the moon, or everything will collapse, possibly both.  IF everything collapses, then there is no social security, medicare, Part D, food stamps, or any other social or governmental program.  Either way we are doomed as a nation financially.
 
I don't have any financial solutions for our country.  I think it is too late for that.  Nobody was minding the store, that's for sure.  The democratically controlled Senate hasn't even made a budget for the past 3 years.  How irresponsible is that?
 
Regarding energy, we won't solve it by throwing money at Obama's pet corporations.  We'll only solve it by taking a multi-faceted approach to ramp up all forms of alternative energy in addition to conservation as well as more oil drilling.
 
Obama continues to drag his feet with regards to drilling.  He's OK'd oil exploration along the Atlantic seaboard, but NOT drilling.
 
Obama is dragging his feet on the pipeline to Canada.  He's patting himself on the back in a political bid to win public support by approving a small portion down south that doesn't even need his approval while the rest of the pipeline is on hold. 
 
Do you really believe Obama has approved oil drilling permits?  Just page down & look at this graph.  Once again, he is working against this country, not for it.
 
Once again, Obama was dragging his feet on approving gulf oil drilling permits.  So much so, that a federal court ordered him to act within 30 days in early 2011.
"The Court therefore orders that [the bureau] is required to act on the five pending permit applications within thirty days of this Order and simultaneously report to the Court its compliance,"  The fact is that there is little drilling activity in the gulf.
 
Like I said, watch what he does, NOT what he says!
 
If you voted for Obama to prove you weren't a racist, then vote for anyone else to prove that you're not stupid.
 
By the way, where are your facts? 
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Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

So Your A Corporate Fascist Then (Nice)
 
You seem to know what your against, do you have any CLUE what it is you are for
 
 
 
 
Oh and dont worry all those right wing idiots you all put in office have blocked ending the Corporate Welfare system to Big Oil who by the way made more than 80 billion dollars last year!
 
WAKEN THE F UP"
Big Oil Companies?
 
Who received more from Oil Companies than Zer0? BP specifically.
 
Answer: Nobody.
 
I absolutely love how you libs can help yourselves but to demonize the oil companies and their record profits when you're the same people SPECIFICALLY RESPONSIBLE for oil being as expensive as it is in the United States.
 
Hell, the Canadians are going to sell their oil to the CHINESE instead of sending it to us BECAUSE of the Liberals.
 
Especially funny is that simple math dictates that it's actually not the oil companies fault that they happen to sell their product at record breaking levels every year. Demand is skyrocketing as both India and China's middle class continue to start driving.
 
And let's face facts here: The oil companies you demonize receive pennies on the dollar per gallon of gas sold. The government gets upwards of seventy cents.
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Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

Im sorry your not savvy enough to be able to recognize fear mongering for votes when you see it.
 
Dont insult me look in the damn mirror instead of out the window. You have been conned for your vote dont you get it yet!!!
ZOMG!!!!!!!! BWAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
HAHAHA
 
Oh Mahshadin, too funny.
 
Your guy's in charge and he's screwing up every single day. His foreiign policy isn't even defensible and you know it. No seriously, try. I want you to. Everything, and I mean 100% of what he's done on the foreign policy stage has been a resounding absolute failure. While I too believe that calling Zer0 a Muslim is retarded in the extreme, his is one more vote against the singularly worst president our country has ever known. The lone bright spot of this Presidency is Hillary, and you Dimocrats voted against her! Even she's so fed up that she's going to jump ship next time around.
 
His domestic policy has forced the singularly most hated, anti freedom legislation our country has ever seen and YOU HAVE THE FARKING AUDACITY TO ACCUSE ANYONE OF GETTING CONNED OUT OF THEIR VOTE!?! His jobs policies actually COST us jobs! It absolutely astounds me that the market/economy was able to continue IN SPITE of his blunders. His signature legislation, which I cited above, is on the doorstep to get struck down because it's so UnConstitutional, you might as well just tear up out country's founding document and start over!
 
Open your eyes Mahshadin.
 
That's the funniest sh1t I've pretty much ever read. Congratulations. No seriously, you've succeeded where others have failed.
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MY PRESIDENT: 1. Got Osama Bin Laden...check 2. Unemployment rate 8.5%...check. 3. 1.6 million jobs created with no GOP help...check 4. 22 months of job and economic growth with no help...check 5. Ended war in Iraq ...check 6. DADT repeal...check 7. Not one tax hike in 3 years....check 8.Brought out of racism in the Gop...check 9.Still carries 80% of the black vote...check 10.Same wife for 15 years with NO extra marital affairs...check 11. Saved auto industry and 1.5 million jobs.. check 12. Assisted in ousting Khaddafi...check 13.Only active President to receive Nobel Peace prize while in office...check 14. Mortgage modification to prevent home owners from losing their home...check 15. STILL fighting for middle class families...check 16.Reform affordable healthcare.... check. Despite what the GOP would have you believe the President has been doing these things and more by himself.
 
 
1. Got Bin Laden as a direct result of Bush Administration interrogation policies that Obama attacked and vowed never to do. It's as ridiculous as Nixon taking credit for the moon landing.
2. Unemployment at 8.5%. Wait, when did that become something to brag about? The real unemployment rate is the “U6”, and it’s at 15.2%
3 & 4. I think the words to best describe this are, "there was growth despite Obama's jihad on business". Imagine what it might have been with somebody competent at the wheel.
5. Ended war in Iraq, by using the timeline put forth by the Bush Administration. What remains in Iraq are thousands of federal contractors, diplomats and a huge American embassy in Baghdad. And don’t forget the tens of thousands of American military stationed just over the border of Iraq in places like Turkey and Kuwait.
7. It wasn’t because he didn’t try, and he did sign tax increases into law. That mandated by Obamacare, they just haven’t kicked in yet.
8. Where is the racism of the GOP? This is nothing more than a liberal talking point. Liberals have played the race card one thousand too many times.
9. Wait, was the subject of #8? Oh the irony.
11. He didn’t save the auto industry, he saved the auto unions. And by using tax payer dollars to pay off your cronies is now laudable? Give me a break.
12. Assisted in ousting Khaddafi by ignoring the Constitution and violating the rules HE supported while in Congress.
13. The nomination deadline for the 09’ Nobel Peace price was 02/01/2009, and he’d been in office 13 days. What on Earth did he do in 13 days to deserve the Nobel Peace prize? Oh, and they gave one to terrorist leader Yasser Arafat too, not something I’d want to be associated with.
14. Using taxpayer money to bailout people who can’t or won’t pay for their bills? That’s nothing to brag about. It’s preventing housing market from returning to a healthy status.
15. Oh yeah, crashing the US dollar to the point where it’s worthless will help the middle class.
16. Is this a joke? Obamacare will do nothing to lower the cost of healthcare. In a swindle that would make Bernie Madoff look like an amateur, Obama has gotten a substantial segment of the population to believe that he can add millions of people to the government-insured rolls without increasing the already record-breaking federal deficit.
19. One tends to be physically fit athletic when they take so many tax payer funded vacations.

Let’s add a few things…
-Signed a bill allowing indefinite detention after campaigning to close GITMO.
-Halted the Keystone oil pipeline, driving future petroleum prices even higher.
-Expanded the Bush policy of wireless wiretapping.
-After spending hundreds of billions of dollars on political pork barrel projects from coast to coast–– some frivolous beyond belief–– its only major cut in federal spending has been its move to cut $100 billion from the Defense Department's budget.
-Barack Hussein Obama has gone a historic 1,000 days without passing a budget.
-Saw America’s credit rating downgraded to AA+, for the first time in history.
-One of the few campaign promises that Barack Obama has kept was this: "We are going to change the United States of America!" Yeah, change it for the worse.
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and also KUDOS to you Turbo!!
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Turbo you forgot about the welfare reform, lol.
 
1. Able bodies males can now collect food stamps indefinately (used to be 2 months)
 
2. you don't have to claim your houses/property/vehicles when you go apply for food stamps if you are unemployed. You can now own as many vehicles and rental propeties as you want as long as you are UNEMPLOYED you can still get food stamps. They used to require you to sell these items prior to receiving food stamps, you could own your main residence and vehicles of a certain value.
 
3. Liheep- where you get assistance with utilities- even if your bills are up to date then they will give you a CREDIT towards your future bills. If your bills are up to date then you don't NEED assistance with them, just my opinion. They didn't used to give CREDITS.
 
There's more I just can't remember them all, my oldest is a food stamp worker and these were the few they weere most upset about when it came down.
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I have not seen or heard of this much dillusion, distortions, or manipulation  since Hitler and mussolini
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The welfare reform went into effect within 6 months of Obama coming into office. It was one of the first things he did after coming into office.
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Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

I have not seen or heard of this much dillusion, distortions, or manipulation  since Hitler and mussolini
 
Then it should be child's play for you to refute a single post.
 
How about this one Mahshadin: Explain why Zer0's budget actually increased bipartisanship in Congress to 100% when EVERY ONE OF THEM unanimously voted against his budget. Yes, that includes Democrats.
 
It didn't get a SINGLE VOTE in favor of his ideas. Not even one. Manipulation? Dillusion? Distortion?
 
Nope.
 
That's a FACT. Facts are pesky things, are they not?
 
The specific reason you went for ad hominem is because everything I posted is FACT. There are no manipulations or opinion. They are concrete facts. You accuse me of partisanship, but con't see the train wreck right in your face.
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Your talking about the Political Theatre from the completely irresponsible Republican House. That wasnt the Presidents budget and you know it, stop pretending your that naive. It was nothing more than a political stunt introduced by a Republican Mick Mulvaney (SC) and no one played along
 
How sad, whats even sadder is that they are wasting our time and dollars playing these games with the American People for what they percieve as political gain. They should all be thrown out on the street which is where they belong!!!!!
 
 
Im not going to waste my time debunking all of the extremist political BS from the Radical Right its a complete waste of time. Its time for you all to do your own homework instead of swallowing this BS like good littel Zombies
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Heres some of those pesky facts for you TG. Your false equivalency Oil money argument is just bogus down to the core!!! and an attempt to mask the truth by the radical right. Go figure another conn job from the Right (This is getting old)
 
A political Party Bought and paid for!
 
 
 
Oil & Gas Political Contributions
 
Election CycleRank�Total ContributionsContributions from IndividualsContributions from PACsSoft/Outside MoneyDonations to DemocratsDonations to Republicans% to Dems% to Repubs
201212$20,552,365$12,549,209$5,606,294$2,396,862$2,136,024$15,992,16912%88%
201011$31,912,949$18,178,070$11,428,813$2,306,066$6,646,628$22,714,68023%77%
200815$37,622,489$27,380,893$10,102,204$139,392$8,518,989$29,084,07023%77%
200613$21,840,751$13,488,892$8,284,859$67,000$3,956,928$17,790,36918%82%
200417$26,931,019$19,789,021$7,116,748$25,250$5,145,530$21,761,12419%81%
200213$25,452,221$8,880,974$6,450,281$10,120,966$5,113,500$20,313,82620%80%
200010$34,625,867$11,680,374$6,928,043$16,017,450$7,007,752$27,108,64621%79%
19988$21,922,898$6,642,057$6,767,892$8,512,949$5,127,255$16,715,04623%77%
19967$26,408,975$10,006,858$6,539,583$9,862,534$6,001,100$19,981,32823%77%
19947$17,710,930$6,967,289$6,492,029$4,251,612$6,541,440$11,148,04537%63%
19927$20,593,481$8,841,631$6,462,523$5,289,327$6,922,755$13,487,42334%66%
19908$11,042,750$4,960,526$6,082,224$0$4,223,103$6,819,34738%62%
Total10$296,616,695$149,365,794$88,261,493$58,989,408$67,341,004$222,916,07323%77%
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ROFL, that's the best you can do? Color me surprised that oil companies want less taxes.

 
I was speaking about Zer0 specifically.  
 
 
CNN's hardly a supportive voice to anything remotely right of center.
 
I don't need to pull out BP or Solyndra or any number of how many corporate Democratic money laundering scams Zer0's pulled?
 
"Here you go Solyndra, take this money, then donate it back to me come election season."
 
Oil pipeline from Alaska, how about Canada? Or should they have donated even more to his candidacy? Chicago politics at their finest. I'll tell you what that is: One more reason oil prices in the U.S. are only going to go up. And for what it's worth, I *HOPE* for $7 at the pump gasoline. That would absolutely end Zer0's second term hopes nicely... Well... unless they can get some more zombies , felons and illegal aliens to vote ten times each.
 
He even brought that Chewbacca lookalike on how many vacations at taxpayer expense? My favorite: You can't take a trip to Las Vegas or the Superbowl..."
 
 
And you're right, Mick Mulvaney did sponsor that one, and why? Was it voted down because it was exactly the Zer0's current playbook? Or better yet was it an attempt at getting these Libs to take a crack at, oh I don't know, COMING UP WITH A DAMN BUDGET!?!
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. - William F. Buckley
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