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Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

Im not going to waste my time debunking all of the extremist political BS from the Radical Right its a complete waste of time. Its time for you all to do your own homework instead of swallowing this BS like good littel Zombies
 
Hahahaha funny. Like the proverbial little kid with his fingers in his ears screaming, "I can't hear you, lalalalal!" when the truth is staring you right in the face.
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Like Most Radicals your best attempt at dialog is to personall attack rather than face facts. Your party has sold out
 
TG You have become so intollerant of others it looks like the only answer is everyone just to bow down and accept your dictatorship or should i say your party. Oh wait let me guess your still pretending not to be a Republican
 
Afraid   Angry   and   Hateful
 
That is your future as a Republican
 
Go ahead change the subject again, that seems to be your only apporoach other than another personal attack
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Mahshadin, hate to tell you GE and other large corporations get all these breaks too. It is a political ploy to make the Oil companies out as the bad guys. We should not be doing any corporate welfare but until Congress stops it Dems and Repubs alike.   Dems got more money in the last election from Oil and Large Corps than the Repubs so "Obama doth protest too much!"

Oil just gets the bad guy hat in an election year when prices go up because of crazy Iran and the unstable middle east. Just a fact of life!
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This is the actual breakdown from big oil and gas for the past 10 or so elections. It is pretty clear which party has been purchased. This thread is on Big Oil and Gas if you would like to talk about another sector or corp start a thread I would be more than happy to share my thoughts.
 
Oil & Gas Political Contributions
Election CycleRank�Total ContributionsContributions from IndividualsContributions from PACsSoft/Outside MoneyDonations to DemocratsDonations to Republicans% to Dems% to Repubs
201212$20,552,365$12,549,209$5,606,294$2,396,862$2,136,024$15,992,16912%88%
201011$31,912,949$18,178,070$11,428,813$2,306,066$6,646,628$22,714,68023%77%
200815$37,622,489$27,380,893$10,102,204$139,392$8,518,989$29,084,07023%77%
200613$21,840,751$13,488,892$8,284,859$67,000$3,956,928$17,790,36918%82%
200417$26,931,019$19,789,021$7,116,748$25,250$5,145,530$21,761,12419%81%
200213$25,452,221$8,880,974$6,450,281$10,120,966$5,113,500$20,313,82620%80%
200010$34,625,867$11,680,374$6,928,043$16,017,450$7,007,752$27,108,64621%79%
19988$21,922,898$6,642,057$6,767,892$8,512,949$5,127,255$16,715,04623%77%
19967$26,408,975$10,006,858$6,539,583$9,862,534$6,001,100$19,981,32823%77%
19947$17,710,930$6,967,289$6,492,029$4,251,612$6,541,440$11,148,04537%63%
19927$20,593,481$8,841,631$6,462,523$5,289,327$6,922,755$13,487,42334%66%
19908$11,042,750$4,960,526$6,082,224$0$4,223,103$6,819,34738%62%
Total10$296,616,695$149,365,794$88,261,493$58,989,408$67,341,004$222,916,07323%77%
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Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

Like Most Radicals your best attempt at dialog is to personall attack rather than face facts. Your party has sold out.
 
Um... did I miss something or is this more of your sillyness?
 
Lest I recall, you were the one personally attacking people calling them liars in so many words.
 
That said, your silly attribute that "My Party" has sold out is pretty comical. My party is the Libertarian party. My opinion is that both of the major political parties of our country have totally sold out. YMMV.
 
Perhaps it is you that needs to face that fact.
 
Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

 
TG You have become so intollerant of others it looks like the only answer is everyone just to bow down and accept your dictatorship or should i say your party. Oh wait let me guess your still pretending not to be a Republican
 
 
No Mahshadin, I tolerate everyone. What I do not tolerate is bull****. If you're going to accuse someone of manipulation or delusion you should, at the very least, give some specifics.
 
Speaking of Dictatorship: How many times has Obama tried to go around the other braches of government?
 
Or threatened the Supreme Court for talking about striking down a patently un-Constitutional law?
 
And you accuse a party, much less me, or dictatorship. Funny.
 
Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

Afraid   Angry   and   Hateful
 
That is your future as a Republican
 
Go ahead change the subject again, that seems to be your only apporoach other than another personal attack
 
CITE ONE SINGLE TIME I PERSONALLY ATTACKED YOU MAHSHADIN! It didn't happen.
 
 I said that Zer0 took BP money and cited a credible source for that claim. You said the entire Republican party took money from the entire oil industry. Both are true. I never denied anything. I then went on to specifically cite the corruption in the administration. Good for the goose, good for the gander.
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Good Lord TG

Just in this one thread I have directly or indirectly been called a:

Childish

Liar

Lazy

Illegal Alien sympathizer

Anti Business

Welfare Lover

Muslim Sympathizer

Flaming Liberal

Stupid

Quazi Racist

Why, because I challenged the Right to face their own corruption. As usual the Right will not accept any responsibility for their own and only seek to blame others for their or the countries plight. If you noticed I was not defending anyone, simply pointing out the obvious for consideration, but apparently information that does not pass the Republican Purity Test is just ignored and denied and instead a flurry of personal insults and attacks are thrown instead. You have no right, honor, or honesty to call others out for their corruption when you are unwilling to face your own. Hiding behind your libertarian Republican label is just an excuse to stay in denial as you all will undoubtedly walk to the voting booth and be the good little republican zombie voters that you are. The Republican Party is Rife with corruption top to bottom and you wont solve any problems by simply blaming others. This thread is about big oil and gas which (Topic Not My Choice) if you cant see this corruption within your own party then you are either Blind, In Denial, or simply put Conned. Its obvious to everyone else when will it be obvious to YOU.

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There are no quick fixes for current and future Oil and Gas problems (Drill Baby Drill). There is no unlimited oil supply as some idiots on the radio would have you believe, nor does one party or the other have the only policy for freeing us of foreign oil influence. Had this been true and a quick fix been available trust me the Oil industry president and vice president (Bush/Cheney) would have gotten us out of the mess in short order after all they had 8 years. Unfortunately it just doesn't work that way nor will it. Our energy reserves and the exploitation of those reserves are planned out over long periods of time, many years to decades. We are not going to sell out our children and grandchildren's future for the promise of a quick fix today. And this is not going to change no matter how loud you scream or how angry you get. The process of surveys by the government to leases to Corporate Surveys to exploratory drilling to permits to production is a long process that takes many years and believe it or not has been planned out for those many years so we have a balanced approach to what reserves we do have left in the Gulf, Atlantic, Pacific, and Arctic. The permits in the last three years were planned out 5 years ago based on leases and survey done years before that, the only real hiccup to this came when the Deep Water Horizon (BP Oil Spill) had a major accident and we all discovered they really didn’t have a plan for dealing with a problem miles below the oceans surface other than drilling another hole and destroying other industries for months, years and perhaps decades. And even that was simply a 6 month ordeal and things went back to the plan which was already in place.

You squawked about other answers to our energy problems (Takes Oil To Make Solar Panels). Yes it does but the difference is you don’t have to bring the solar panels for a fill up ever few days it's a one time energy expense vs a continual energy expense. We must take a balanced approach to our energy problems and not simply throw them out for a promise of some future unlimited Oil Fountain some moron told you about on the radio or YouTube. Is solar the answer to all our problems (NO) but it is part of the solution and we should be investing in this sector just as we did with oil a hundred years ago (Oil Subsidies) when the sector just did not have the resources for R & D. This is why I call the Oil Subsidies Corporate Welfare because that is exactly what it has become. The whole idea of the subsidies which started almost a hundred years ago was to support and grow an energy sector which did not have the financial recourses to support and grow the sector, and I agree with this approach but once you have supported the industry to the point of being able to stand on its own 2 feet and be profitable they were intended to end as they should. To continue this is just outright welfare and our dollars need to be spent on the sectors of the future which need the same help the oil industry needed a hundred years ago. That is how government works with industry to build and support our energy sectors and others for our future generations.

Does this align with Oil Corps (No). Corps do not look past monthy, quarterly, or yearly profits and that is by design. This is not to say that is a bad thing but we must not give in to the short term profit goals of some at the expense of our future. If you left it up to Big oil they would extract what we have not even considering the implications this would have say 10 or 20 years from now all for a better quarterly or annual statement. One President will not have any major effect either way whether it is Obama, Bush, Clinton, or Bush 1. What your buying in to is the Corp line, lets get it all now and don't worry about tomorrow. That’s what happens when a party sells out to an individual corp sectors interests. Heres an example, you posted a Fox News Graph of permits showing Obama administration below the Bush administration. Of course Fox (Republican PR Channel) cherry picked just the dat they wanted for political purpose. If you looked at all of the data or the entire graph you would have seen that the Obama  Administration era permits were above the Bush Admin 4 of his eight years and about equal for the 5th.  Again these are not decided over night, they planned out for years and even decades. This is political Theatre (Fear Mongering) nothing more and if you want to buy in to this BS that's fine I don’t really give a BLEEP. But don’t pretend that I am the one who is not Savvy enough to figure it out when quite frankly it is you who is being mislead and yes it is for your vote plain and simple. I am sorry that's the truth but it is. Here is the actual graph fox cherry picked from and below that one is much more actual data not political theatre for factual data on this sector.

http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/energy/oil_and_gas/statistics/Table08.html

http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/energy/oil_and_gas/statistics.html

I meant no disrespect, I am simply pointing out the obvious. Whether you want to believe it or not is entirely up to you, but one thing is for sure if you only immerse yourself in obvious political massaged information you will be manipulated.

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Mahsadin, just had a Solar company come and give me information on how they were going to GIVE me solar panels on my roof so I could lease them. Well my house faces south which is perfect for solar. However, since I have a tri-level and only so much roof space so I would still be paying 100.00 a month for electric. 65.00 to the solar company for the panels and the rest for electric since I don't have enough roof space. I SAVE NOTHING!!!

Oh, by the way I have to sign a lease for 20 YEARS!! What if I want to sell and buyers do not want solar...a negative for selling a home.

Solar is not the answer to our energy problems, at least not yet! We tried hot water solar in the late 70's early 80's and it was not worth it either. We still have homes around that have pipes on the roof and sides of the house from defunk hot water solar.

Until solar is improved to where a typical house can eliminate use of electric and the cost of the system does not negate the elimation of electic in less than 10 years solar will not work.

Sorry just a fact of life...lived through the last solar boom and it was a bust like this one will be!
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I didnt say Solar was the magic pill. There are no magic pills. What I said is the energy return (Energy in VS Energy out) is favorable. It will be a part of the answer however and a significant part especially for the areas where it can be net benefit cost wise.
 
I do remember your post about the rental and I believe I posted somewhat of a negative response to the rental option. Whenever you add more middle men you add to the expense (Basic Business Principle). I did however post some material for getting started with solar that is affordable and wont break the bank in doing so. I know quite a few people now with solar and it is working for them (Right Place Right Price).
 
It is not only likely but almost a done deal that there will be no magic pill solution and more likely will be a combination of approaches from Solar, Wind, Geothermal, Hydro, nuclear, and others that can make up the difference. We are not out of oil we are just either at or close to the half way point which means its going to be around for some time it will just become more and more expensive. The longer we can stretch out whats left the better off our future will be, but yes at some point there will be a breaking point especially for transportation. Rather than just burning up what we have as fast as we can we need to be thinking and planning for a reduced petro world because its coming faster than you think, whether thats in the form of supply disruptions or just to expensive to purchse.
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Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

Good Lord TG

Just in this one thread I have directly or indirectly been called a:

Childish

Liar

Lazy

Illegal Alien sympathizer

Anti Business

Welfare Lover

Muslim Sympathizer

Flaming Liberal

Stupid

Quazi Racist

You really went there? Now that is funny. You specifically called me out for PERSONALLY ATTACKING YOU when I did not. You have not only called people fascists, but delusional, manipulative, dictatorial, citing Hitler and Mussolini, then calling everyone that sees the truth of this absolutely corrupt, evil administration a zombie! Hypocrisy much?
 
You couldn't even help yourself in this post! That's rich as hell.
 
Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

Why, because I challenged the Right to face their own corruption. As usual the Right will not accept any responsibility for their own and only seek to blame others for their or the countries plight. If you noticed I was not defending anyone, simply pointing out the obvious for consideration, but apparently information that does not pass the Republican Purity Test is just ignored and denied and instead a flurry of personal insults and attacks are thrown instead.
 
Mahshadin, Jesus Christ man, LOOK AT WHAT THE GOD DAMN PRESIDENT IS UP TO!!! He makes George W. and Clinton's administrations COMBINED look positively saintly! You're doing exactly what you're accusing everyone else of doing and it's obfuscation, pure and simple.
 
Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

You have no right, honor, or honesty to call others out for their corruption when you are unwilling to face your own.
 
Pot to kettle, pot to kettle, you are black, repeat, you are black.
 
Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

Hiding behind your libertarian Republican label is just an excuse to stay in denial as you all will undoubtedly walk to the voting booth and be the good little republican zombie voters that you are.
 
Spoken like a true Obamazombie. No, it's cool, go ahead and ignore the worst president our country. The man makes Carter, Nixon and Hoover look fantastic, and you accuse *ANYONE* of wasting their vote. I really thought you were smarter than this dude. Take off the shades and LOOK at the failure that is Zer0!
 
Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

The Republican Party is Rife with corruption top to bottom and you wont solve any problems by simply blaming others. This thread is about big oil and gas which (Topic Not My Choice) if you cant see this corruption within your own party then you are either Blind, In Denial, or simply put Conned. Its obvious to everyone else when will it be obvious to YOU.
 
*BOTH* parties are "Rife with corruption top to bottom and you wont solve any problems by simply blaming others" dude. The difference is that the Democrats are the ones in power and we get to vote this/these inarguable disasters out of office. You can't point at a single item on any presidential agenda that has even been a remote success.
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