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    Posted: July 09 2019 at 10:57pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM7jpwx_k-k Tropical Tidbit trying to get a clear view of "Barry". Good info on an unpredictable bunch of clouds above the Florida pan-handle-moving into the Gulf-than west-than breaking up by southward high winds, northward low-layer winds ?

Or strong enough to survive and move towards Texas, even getting stronger over the Gulf ?

DJ-Maybe the news is the unpredictability of "Barry". It can make landfall in a few days as a Tropical Storm, but it could also become a "monster-storm" in a few days. https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/92L-Moving-Gulf-Mexico-May-Develop-Tropical-Depression

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5
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I live over a 100 km/60miles from the (North)sea. Still when-it is a matter of time-a major hurricane ends up this way there is a major problem.

The amount of rain, salt water moving up the rivers, severe flooding, will effect infrastructure-and with that-logistics.

"Barry" may be forming but there are still several scenario's on how it will develop. https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/, https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/, https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Invest-92L-Likely-be-Tropical-Storm-Gulf-Mexico-Saturday?cm_ven=cat6-widget

DJ-The US should do more to deal with extreme weather, earthquakes etc. and less with starting wars around the globe. Wrong choices are destroying the US even more than hurricanes can do !
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I live about 5kms from the beach....

Time to move......lol
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^rising sea levels will ensure that coastal areas in Florida, New York, Texas etc. will be destroyed by hurricanes, sooner or later.

I live at 3,000 feet above sea level in southern Arizona USA, so sea level rise won't bother me.
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DJ-Lots of uncertainty https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 there may-very likely-form "a named storm" west of Florida. https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Heavy-Rains-and-Possible-Tropical-Storm-Northeast-Gulf-Mexico-Late-Week?cm_ven=cat6-widget

How it wil develop is a big question. From https://www.ventusky.com/?p=25.8;-84.4;4&l=wind-10m&t=20190715/1200 to http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/ try to get a clear picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV6dhLU1JSA mentions several scenario's-from a depression moving into the Gulf and then back north to a storm moving along the US east coast towards New York.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=youZZWyWsfA in2thinair.

On top of the flooding etc. in the US more flooding will mean more damage. (The duration of flooding may become another factor).
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https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/2019-Atlantic-Hurricane-Season-Begins-91L-Gulf-Mexico-Threat-Develop?cm_ven=cat6-widget and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6zwPOwDshU

Looking at https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 "91L" will effect Texas-even when it does not become a Tropical Depression
"Barry".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Atlantic_hurricane_season
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/2019/06/01/watching-a-tropical-disturbance-in-the-southern-gulf-of-mexico/#comments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfloqgqPBjU BPEarthwatch
https://blog.myfoxhurricane.com/2019/06/02/barry-a-possibility-in-the-bay-of-campeche-heavy-rain-threat-for-eastern-mexico/

(DJ-With extreme flooding already widespread in the US a hurricane-like-weathersystem may find energy in warm water on land to stay active longer.
A possible "Barry" scenario could push this system into the Mississippi river system or follow the US Gulf coast. When I look at https://www.ventusky.com/ only more rain on its way to Texas-but "history" tells us a hurricane can get to cat5 in 24/48 hrs. There is a lot of very warm water in the western Gulf-so a lot of energy wich can get into a major hurricane very fast.)
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DJ;

Robert Scribler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6iU20YZFME
Willa slammed into the coast of Mexico as a category 3 hurricane yesterday producing widespread impacts. The remnants of the storm are now moving over Northeast Mexico -- funneling heavy rains into an already severe weather pattern across Texas. Over the next few days, this area of stormy weather is expected to track east -- potentially becoming a Nor'easter by the weekend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHk1jX8YpG8
Yutu is presently raking the northern Marianas islands with winds gusting to near 220 mph. This storm is of a class comparable to the most powerful cyclones ever observed on the face of the Earth. It goes without saying that the small islands in Yutu's path will see devastating impacts.


MrMBB333; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjmTX50tq5U and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Walaka#Preparations_and_impact:
A powerful storm surge accompanied the hurricane as it traversed the French Frigate Shoals. The small, low-lying East Island suffered a direct hit and was completely destroyed, with sediment scattered across coral reefs to the north.

DJ-There was/is a discussion on category 6 hurricanes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_scale and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_scale#%22Category_6%22.
With storms ever getting stronger for science reasons new scales may be usefull. Both extreme events (wind, rain, surge) as duration (drought, several days of rain) can bring severe damage. They are not always included in a "scale".
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https://www.wunderground.com/news/storms/hurricane/news/2018-10-22-hurricane-willa-pacific-ocean-mexico-landfall and https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/?epac

MrMBB333 is comparing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Patricia#United_States with "Willa" on its way to NW Mexico.

DJ-Both "Vicente" and "Willa" will do a lot of damage in western Mexico. Stronger storms are one of many signs of (rapid) climate change. This climate crisis is not caused by the poor but they are expected to bear the suffering. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-22/president-trump-declares-national-emergency-mexico-loses-control-migrant-army

"The poor" have every reason to bring the bill to those who did cause the problems. Oil companies, military-industrial-complex, will have to pay for the damage they are doing.

Climate fefugees are another climate-change related problem going to explode (both for the US and EU).
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Hurricane Michael: "A Reuters tally of official reports says at least 27 are now confirmed dead - including 17 in Florida. Another death was also confirmed by officials in Georgia, three in North Carolina and six in Virginia."

I do hope that the insurance companies lead the discussion of building standards (and how much/little they will pay if houses are not up to standard....
"The area where the storm hit worst, in Florida's Panhandle region, do not have building code standards as strict as in other areas of the state.

Swathes of houses were completely obliterated in Mexico Beach - an area described as "ground zero" for the storm's heavy winds and storm surges."

All quotes from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45893486
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http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=FF-20181017-65069-USA DJ-Most likely extreme rain in Alaska might be related to a Pacific hurricane moving north.

With the jetstream being this disrupted it is a matter of time before remnants of hurricanes manage to get to the Arctic and cross it.....

On the Bussines Insider story; hurricane is a name for a sort of storm (in a certain area). It would be better to look at all extreme weather events.
http://www.severe-weather.eu/mcd/further-torrential-rainfall-across-western-mediterranean-particularly-parts-of-spain/
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Will this classic soon stop being true?

ln Hertford, Hereford and Hampshire hurricanes hardly ever happen

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Interesting article about hurricanes and Europe!

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-hurricanes-never-hit-europe-2018-10
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DJ; The Arctic is extremely warm pushing cold air-via the jetstream to the US and central Siberia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIdu33vKME4 (Robert Scribler)

"Leslie" did bring a lot of damage to Portugal, Spain, France. https://www.wunderground.com/news/news/news/2018-10-15-southwestern-france-floods-trebes and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Leslie_(2018)#Madeira

"Michael"https://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/iberian-peninsula-battered-by-remnants-hurricane-leslie-hurricane-michael-september-2018/115091

DJ-As should be expected Europe is not safe for hurricanes any longer due to (rapid) climate change.

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/94L-Headed-Towards-Belize-Tara-Drenching-Mexico-Luban-Floods-Yemen
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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:


We never used to have them. The first recorded on our south coast was during my childhood.

We are getting windier every year. Two years ago we put up a polytunnel. "That will stand a force nine!" we commented smugly, as we finished shoring it up, burying its edges and adding anchors. It did.

Then we had our first force 10 since arriving here. It even bent the steel hoops flat!

Isn't it amazing how hard it is to listen to your own advice?


Indeed!! I just read about your Storm Callum, I hope you and yours fared well! I used to live in the Southwest of England (Exeter), and these extreme weather events (massive winter snowfalls, storms, floods) make me sad!

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/12/europe/storm-callum-uk-ireland-intl/index.html
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We never used to have them. The first recorded on our south coast was during my childhood.

We are getting windier every year. Two years ago we put up a polytunnel. "That will stand a force nine!" we commented smugly, as we finished shoring it up, burying its edges and adding anchors. It did.

Then we had our first force 10 since arriving here. It even bent the steel hoops flat!

Isn't it amazing how hard it is to listen to your own advice?
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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

I can't be specific regarding atmospheric layers, but generally speaking, currents of anything (gasses, liquids or even plasma) form as the laws of physics try to equalise divergent temperatures. The hotter the fluid, or the greater the thermal incline, the stronger and faster the currents.

That is why stronger hurricanes are a given in global warming.

I've been saying this about global warming for several decades, but the wind has barely started rising yet! Hold on to your hats (metephorically and actually) it is going to be a wild ride!


Indeed it will, Techno!

I saw that Portugal was assailed by Hurricane Leslie, I didn't know that your side of the pond was blessed with these things!

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I can't be specific regarding atmospheric layers, but generally speaking, currents of anything (gasses, liquids or even plasma) form as the laws of physics try to equalise divergent temperatures. The hotter the fluid, or the greater the thermal incline, the stronger and faster the currents.

That is why stronger hurricanes are a given in global warming.

I've been saying this about global warming for several decades, but the wind has barely started rising yet! Hold on to your hats (metephorically and actually) it is going to be a wild ride!
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-13/hurricane-cost-may-skyrocket-billions-stealth-fighter-jets-unaccounted-tyndall-afb:

According to the New York Times, Tyndall is home to 55 stealth fighters, "which cost a dizzying $339 million each." Before Michael hit, the Air Force evacuated at least 33 of the planes to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, however they would not comment on the status of the remaining 22 fighters.
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F-22s are notoriously finicky and, as the Times puts it "not always flight-worthy." The Air Force reported earlier this year that just 49% of F-22s were mission ready at any given time - the lowest rate of any fighter in the Air Force. The total value of the unaccounted-for fighters is arouind $7.5 billion.

The eye of Hurricane Michael traveled directly over Tyndall, peeling back stormproof roofs like tin cans and flipping over an F-15 fighter jet display at the base entrance.
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I realy have to study this subject, does a growing temperature difference between layers in the atmosphere create stronger hurricanes (and UV-C getting to the surface-or is that unrelated ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermosphere 80km+, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_layer 30km+)

Interesting question on wich I do not have an answer yet...

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=TC-20181014-65024-USA

Robert Scribler with some good info on the (very warm +5c/+8F) Arctic and damages of "Michael" (stirred up Ocean, forrests down=effecting CO2sinks)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvyCSc0HEpA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl4nyrDOePo

By the way, "Leslie" making landfall in Portugal, moving over Spain towards France this sunday http://www.severe-weather.eu/outlooks-day1/outlook-day-1-2-valid-13-14-10-2018/ and "Michael" on its way to Europe http://www.severe-weather.eu/tropical-weather/remnants-of-ex-hurricane-michael-intensifying-in-the-atlantic-extra-tropical-storm-on-the-way-towards-the-bay-of-biscay-tomorrow-oct-14th/
http://www.estofex.org/:A level 3 was issued for parts of Portugal surrounded by a level 2 covering also parts of Spain mainly for severe to damaging wind gusts and to a lesser extent for (strong) tornados and excessive precipitation.

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Rain-Spain-Falls-Mainly-Froma-Hurricane

DJ-Europe is not ready to deal with hurricanes at all. It is very likely there will be a fast increase of hurricanes getting to Europe (also other storms getting much stronger).
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With all the wierd effects of global warming, I would not be at all surprised to find that the thermophile had cooled. Despite its high temperature and vast size however, the thermophile would be unlikely to produce much effect at Earth's surface as its molecules are so far appart. It is almost vaccuum.

However if the thermophile has cooled, that is evidence that the warming of the Earth's surface is definitely NOT solar in origin. The temperature of the thermophile layer is almose entirely solar-generated. So if it is cooling whilst the rest of the earth is warming, then something here is more than compensating for reduced solar warming.
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