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laura curtiss
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 12:12am |
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Bird flu virus survives for days in droppings -WHO 20 Jan 2006 23:55:16 GMT By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent WASHINGTON, Jan 20 (Reuters) - The H5N1 avian influenza virus can survive for more than a month in bird droppings in cold weather and for nearly a week even in hot summer temperatures, the World Health Organization said on Friday. When people become infected with bird flu, they get a high fever and pneumonia very quickly, according to an updated factsheet from the WHO, posted on the Internet at http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/avianinfluenza_factsheetJan2006/en/index.html. The new factsheet incorporates the most recent findings on the avian flu virus, which WHO says is causing by far the worst outbreak among both birds and people ever recorded... ..."For example, the highly pathogenic H5N1 virus can survive in bird feces for at least 35 days at low temperature (4 degrees C or 39 degrees F)," the WHO site reads. "At a much higher temperature (37 degrees C or 98.6 degrees F), H5N1 viruses have been shown to survive, in fecal samples, for six days..." ...H5N1 has different qualities from seasonal flu, the WHO said. LONG INCUBATION PERIOD "The incubation period for H5N1 avian influenza may be longer than that for normal seasonal influenza, which is around 2 to 3 days. Current data for H5N1 infection indicate an incubation period ranging from 2 to 8 days and possibly as long as 17 days," it said... "Initial symptoms include a high fever, usually with a temperature higher than 38 degrees C (100.4 degrees F), and influenza-like symptoms. Diarrhea, vomiting, abdominal pain, chest pain, and bleeding from the nose and gums have also been reported as early symptoms in some patients." And with H5N1 infection, all patients have developed pneumonia, and usually very early on the the illness, the WHO said. "On present evidence, difficulty in breathing develops around five days following the first symptoms. Respiratory distress, a hoarse voice, and a crackling sound when inhaling are commonly seen." There is bloody sputum, it said. "Another common feature is multiorgan dysfunction, notably involving the kidney and heart," WHO said. The WHO recommends using Tamiflu, Roche AG's flu drug known generically as oseltamivir, as soon as possible to treat bird flu. WHO stresses that H5N1 remains mostly a disease of birds, with tens of millions infected in two years. "Also lacking is an explanation for the puzzling concentration of cases in previously healthy children and young adults." (excerpts) http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N20130277.htm
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 10:31am |
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I took this excerpt from CIDRAP update dated March 22nd: Human cases of H5N1 influenza have been reported in Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia, China, Turkey, Iraq, Azerbaijan, and Egypt. WHO has officially recognized more than 180 cases (see References: WHO: Cumulative number of confirmed human cases of avian influenza), with a case-fatality rate of approximately 50%. To date, sustained person-to-person transmission has not been recognized, although probable person-to-person spread was identified in Thailand involving transmission from an ill child to her mother and aunt (see References: Ungchusak 2005) and several other familial clusters have been recognized (see References: Olsen 2005). To read full article: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/biofacts/panflu.html#_Lessons_from_Past_Pandemics Also note, the references in these cases are dated 2005!!! Susan T |
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 11:08am |
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some how my post was sent to the wrong place.......
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 11:15am |
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If I recall correctly, Tai Bihn was still very weak a year after being discharged, but his sister recovered quickly with no ill effects. |
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 5:06pm |
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by the way seems to me that preppers are now starting to flood the stores.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 6:26pm |
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I started prepping acouple of weeks ago.(I am a sterotypical surfer) When I was in line this guy said preparing for a hurricaine?(wise a$s) I said no H5N1. He said whats that. I said BF. I swear anyone that was within ear shot turned pale.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 6:40pm |
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The ******.com site is still unavailable. Did it crash? get censored? Does anyone know?
thanks...
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 7:58pm |
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They are moving to a new server.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 8:04pm |
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has this been posted? Excuse if it has...
This is the first really big spread I have seen from the media in print.
Now the other agency's will follow I imagine.
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 12:52am |
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There may have been H2H transmission cases, but it does not necessarily
mean a pandemic has started. As in the case of the 1918 flu, it
had to go through several transmissions between humans before it
mutated into the killer flu. If a case gets transmitted from one
human to another, and that second human dies, that strain dies with
them. They would need to pass it on to another, then another,
then another, and so forth, before it could become a pandemic virus.
Also, as in the 1918 flu again, it can mutate into a rather benign form first and sweep the world. This may already be happening, and no one may know it. |
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 7:47am |
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What we know is that H5N1 is just one mutation away from becoming more easily transmissable. It may have done so yesterday, last week, or this morning while we were fast asleep.
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 9:49am |
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Mary, the abc webpage on Bf has been around for a while. They just keep adding stories to it as they air so it just grows and grows with the media coverage.
No need for panic......just keep on prepp'n people!!!! fritz :>}
BTW, I am told there is another article in the NY times today. I have to go check it out. TTFN
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 10:53am |
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I just heard some information and if anyone would know it would be you guys. I heard that FPandL (florida power and light) has told their employees to stock up on tamaflu in order to be prepared for the bird flu. Does this stuff really combat against the virus or are they just telling people that?
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 6:29pm |
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How are their employees supposed to stock up on Tamiflu if the doctors won't prescribe it because they're not sick? Also, last I heard the so-called experts still don't know if it will do anything. It seems to work only if given within 24 hours of getting sick, and IIRC you might not have very many symptoms at the time, so it could be mistaken for a cold at first.
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 6:40pm |
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Also, the typicaly dose may not be enough. It seems that possibly
a double dose for ten days might be needed instead of the standard
doese for five days. Consequently, we may have to convince the
doctor to write four prescriptions...not just one.
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 8:56pm |
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Time is closing in. Get your preps completed. |
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Posted: April 01 2006 at 8:56am |
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My theory is that when the mosquito season starts (around the globe) it will begin.
These mosquito's start sucking blood from sick chickens, pigs, wild birds, cats and then they bite human beings. Go figure. These are the messengers of death and I believe it will really be a problem in Warm areas. This mosquito factor may need a thread by itself. |
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Posted: April 01 2006 at 9:13am |
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Terrible thought Tazman. I had not considered transmissions by Mosquito's. I think they call that West Nile Virus. I wonder how they differ? Maybe the West Nile Virus is only contagious from a Mosquito M2H and not M2H2H? I'm not in that field, just don't know. Scary thought.
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Posted: April 02 2006 at 3:04pm |
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This is old news to me..they have known about these"rare cases" or the other terminology used "unsustained cases" since 2005. This is not new.
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Posted: April 02 2006 at 7:12pm |
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