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Bird flu virus survives for days in droppings -WHO 20 Jan 2006 23:55:16 GMT By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent WASHINGTON, Jan 20 (Reuters) - The H5N1 avian influenza virus can survive for more than a month in bird droppings in cold weather and for nearly a week even in hot summer temperatures, the World Health Organization said on Friday. When people become infected with bird flu, they get a high fever and pneumonia very quickly, according to an updated factsheet from the WHO, posted on the Internet at http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/avianinfluenza_factsheetJan2006/en/index.html. The new factsheet incorporates the most recent findings on the avian flu virus, which WHO says is causing by far the worst outbreak among both birds and people ever recorded... ..."For example, the highly pathogenic H5N1 virus can survive in bird feces for at least 35 days at low temperature (4 degrees C or 39 degrees F)," the WHO site reads. "At a much higher temperature (37 degrees C or 98.6 degrees F), H5N1 viruses have been shown to survive, in fecal samples, for six days..." ...H5N1 has different qualities from seasonal flu, the WHO said. LONG INCUBATION PERIOD "The incubation period for H5N1 avian influenza may be longer than that for normal seasonal influenza, which is around 2 to 3 days. Current data for H5N1 infection indicate an incubation period ranging from 2 to 8 days and possibly as long as 17 days," it said... "Initial symptoms include a high fever, usually with a temperature higher than 38 degrees C (100.4 degrees F), and influenza-like symptoms. Diarrhea, vomiting, abdominal pain, chest pain, and bleeding from the nose and gums have also been reported as early symptoms in some patients." And with H5N1 infection, all patients have developed pneumonia, and usually very early on the the illness, the WHO said. "On present evidence, difficulty in breathing develops around five days following the first symptoms. Respiratory distress, a hoarse voice, and a crackling sound when inhaling are commonly seen." There is bloody sputum, it said. "Another common feature is multiorgan dysfunction, notably involving the kidney and heart," WHO said. The WHO recommends using Tamiflu, Roche AG's flu drug known generically as oseltamivir, as soon as possible to treat bird flu. WHO stresses that H5N1 remains mostly a disease of birds, with tens of millions infected in two years. "Also lacking is an explanation for the puzzling concentration of cases in previously healthy children and young adults." (excerpts) http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N20130277.htm
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I took this excerpt from CIDRAP update dated March 22nd:

Human cases of H5N1 influenza have been reported in Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia, China, Turkey, Iraq, Azerbaijan, and Egypt. WHO has officially recognized more than 180 cases (see References: WHO: Cumulative number of confirmed human cases of avian influenza), with a case-fatality rate of approximately 50%. To date, sustained person-to-person transmission has not been recognized, although probable person-to-person spread was identified in Thailand involving transmission from an ill child to her mother and aunt (see References: Ungchusak 2005) and several other familial clusters have been recognized (see References: Olsen 2005).

To read full article: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/biofacts/panflu.html#_Lessons_from_Past_Pandemics

Also note, the references in these cases are dated 2005!!!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2006 at 11:08am
some how my post was sent to the wrong place.......
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Originally posted by laura curtiss laura curtiss wrote:

Actually, there have already been a couple of H2H2H examples, and one involved 1-2 HCWs. One case was about a year ago in Thai Bihn. The index case was a 21 year old who ended up recovering, but holds the record for days in the hospital (something like 85 days). His 14 year old sister subsequently was infected after caring for him. She was the first documented case of Tamiflu resistance.




If I recall correctly, Tai Bihn was still very weak a year after being discharged, but his sister recovered quickly with no ill effects.
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by the way seems to me that preppers are now starting to flood the stores.  Clap  Costco , bjs, and small stores are cleaning their shelfs off of things like water, paper goods, can food. bleach etc......but its really funny Big smile everyone shopping just looks at everyone else funny...like ummm are they prepping too.   or do they look at me thinking they must think im nuts...anyway im happy America has woken up to the fact that the BIG GIANT IS OUT THERE WAITING TO STOMP ON US... and being prepared is the best thing to do.........ClapClapClapGOOD JOB TO ALL THE PEPS IN THIS ROOM ...LOOKS like the word is out....I found a nice wind up flash light that never needs batteries,,,and also I notice that they are coming out with little backpack resioviors that holds water....Odd stuff to be on the shelfs...but I guess the stores are up on the needs of the preppers...good luck everyone stay safe.........................................................Prepping for the big one!!!!!Wink
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I started prepping acouple of weeks ago.(I am a sterotypical surfer) When I was in line this guy said preparing for a hurricaine?(wise a$s) I said no H5N1. He said whats that. I said BF. I swear anyone that was within ear shot turned pale. Confused
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The ******.com site is still unavailable. Did it crash? get censored? Does anyone know?
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has this been posted?  Excuse if it has...
 
 
 
This is the first really big spread I have seen from the media in print.
Now the other agency's will follow I imagine.
 
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There may have been H2H transmission cases, but it does not necessarily mean a pandemic has started.  As in the case of the 1918 flu, it had to go through several transmissions between humans before it mutated into the killer flu.  If a case gets transmitted from one human to another, and that second human dies, that strain dies with them.  They would need to pass it on to another, then another, then another, and so forth, before it could become a pandemic virus.

Also, as in the 1918 flu again, it can mutate into a rather benign form first and sweep the world.  This may already be happening, and no one may know it.

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Originally posted by Mark Mark wrote:

There may have been H2H transmission cases, but it does not necessarily mean a pandemic has started.  As in the case of the 1918 flu, it had to go through several transmissions between humans before it mutated into the killer flu.  If a case gets transmitted from one human to another, and that second human dies, that strain dies with them.  They would need to pass it on to another, then another, then another, and so forth, before it could become a pandemic virus.

Also, as in the 1918 flu again, it can mutate into a rather benign form first and sweep the world.  This may already be happening, and no one may know it.

Mark, you can erase the word "may" from your vocabulary in regards to H2H cases of H5N1 A.  Perhaps you didn't read the first post and hit the link which directs you to the CDC website.
 
What we know  is that H5N1 is just one mutation away from becoming more easily transmissable.  It may have done so yesterday, last week, or this morning while we were fast asleep.
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Mary, the abc webpage on Bf has been around for a while. They just keep adding stories to it as they air so it just grows and grows with the media coverage.
No need for panic......just keep on prepp'n people!!!! fritz :>}
BTW, I am told there is another article in the NY times today. I have to go check it out. TTFN
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I just heard some information and if anyone would know it would be you guys. I heard that FPandL (florida power and light) has told their employees to stock up on tamaflu in order to be prepared for the bird flu. Does this stuff really combat against the virus or are they just telling people that?
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How are their employees supposed to stock up on Tamiflu if the doctors won't prescribe it because they're not sick?  Also, last I heard the so-called experts still don't know if it will do anything.  It seems to work only if given within 24 hours of getting sick, and IIRC you might not have very many symptoms at the time, so it could be mistaken for a cold at first.
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Also, the typicaly dose may not be enough.  It seems that possibly a double dose for ten days might be needed instead of the standard doese for five days.  Consequently, we may have to convince the doctor to write four prescriptions...not just one.  
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Time is closing in. Get your preps completed.

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My theory is that when the mosquito season starts (around the globe) it will begin.
These mosquito's start sucking blood from sick chickens, pigs, wild birds, cats and then they bite human beings.
Go figure. These are the messengers of death and I believe it will really be a problem in Warm areas.

This mosquito factor may need a thread by itself.
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Terrible thought Tazman. I had not considered transmissions by Mosquito's.  I think they call that West Nile Virus. I wonder how they differ? Maybe the West Nile Virus is only contagious from a Mosquito M2H and not M2H2H? I'm not in that field, just don't know. Scary thought. 
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Originally posted by Thomas Angel Thomas Angel wrote:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/outbreaks/current.htm

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Influenza A (H5N1) is an influenza A virus subtype that occurs mainly in birds, is highly contagious among birds, and can be deadly to them. Outbreaks of H5N1 among poultry are ongoing in a number of countries. While H5N1 does not usually infect people, human cases of H5N1 infection associated with these outbreaks have been reported Most of these cases have occurred from direct or close contact with infected poultry or contaminated surfaces; however, a few rare cases of human-to-human spread of H5N1 virus have occurred, though transmission has not continued beyond one person.

" however, a few rare cases of human to human spread of virus have occurred,..."
 
Nice to see them admit that publically.  That means it is happening.  Now.  Not a possiblity in some distant future time, but actually has happened and they are willing to admit it has happened.  .
 
This is old news to me..they have known about these"rare cases" or the other terminology used "unsustained cases" since 2005.  This is not new.
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Originally posted by seesthelight seesthelight wrote:

Originally posted by Thomas Angel Thomas Angel wrote:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/outbreaks/current.htm

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Influenza A (H5N1) is an influenza A virus subtype that occurs mainly in birds, is highly contagious among birds, and can be deadly to them. Outbreaks of H5N1 among poultry are ongoing in a number of countries. While H5N1 does not usually infect people, human cases of H5N1 infection associated with these outbreaks have been reported Most of these cases have occurred from direct or close contact with infected poultry or contaminated surfaces; however, a few rare cases of human-to-human spread of H5N1 virus have occurred, though transmission has not continued beyond one person.

" however, a few rare cases of human to human spread of virus have occurred,..."
 
Nice to see them admit that publically.  That means it is happening.  Now.  Not a possiblity in some distant future time, but actually has happened and they are willing to admit it has happened.  .
 
This is old news to me..they have known about these"rare cases" or the other terminology used "unsustained cases" since 2005.  This is not new.
Well sure they did.  Anyone with half a brain did.  It was new in the respect that it was the first time that CDC admitted it openly when they posted it on their lil' homely website devoid of any pratical or useful information back on the date I pulled it off their site and posted it here that same day.
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