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Proudest Monkey 
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 Posted: May 04 2006 at 10:07pm |
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I am wanting to learn how to make bread over an open fire with my dutch oven using the same method that sicmom mentioned above. I found this really cool manual about bread making for the outdoors. I am hoping to experiment with it this weekend. I have a lot to learn when it comes to dutch oven cooking. Here is the link: http://www.preparedpantry.com/downloads/Emergency_Bread_Guide.pdf |
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Posted: May 05 2006 at 1:28pm |
Found that site as well PM, so I printed it out and put it into a notebook along with several other "easy" bread/biscuit/muffin/pancake recipes I've been collecting.
Have been working on a cardboard box solar oven and I am almost finished with it - it needs tweeking.
I hope to try out the BBQ grill method, that bread looked delicious ... plus will keep heat out of the house and kitchen.
Which bring me to the fact that it might be something to ponder - whether to do an outdoor kitchen or not. Assuming that you are in a good neighborhood, or isolated out in the boonies!!
Should start up a food storage list & recipe forum where everybody can deposit their recicpes and newbies can come thru and find the lists & recipes all in one location ??
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"When an emergency arises, the time for preparation is past."
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Posted: May 05 2006 at 6:55pm |
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Ok Im kinda convinced that I should be grinding my own wheat. But I need educating
 Have a few questions 
1 how much does whole wheat [white ] cost verses store bought flour?
2 Can I purchase wheat at my local health food store?
3 Cost of grinder [decent one] and hand verses crank???
4 How much whole wheat for say a family of four a month would I need?
5 How long does it take to grind enough wheat for a week for say a family of 4?
6 how long does whole wheat keep?
7 Storage requirements?
Ive been obsessing over how Im going to store enough flour for 2 years this maybe an answer
 Thanks for the answers in advance. This is why a internet group like this is sooooo...... valuable |
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Proudest Monkey
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Posted: May 06 2006 at 2:27pm |
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janetn, In my opinion, one of the best books that covers most of your questions is called Making the Best of Basics: Family Preparedness Handbook by James Talmage Stevens. You might be able to find this book at your local library. If not, you can order it on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1882723252/002-1416669-1744003?v=glance&n=283155 |
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Posted: May 06 2006 at 3:31pm |
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I can answer 6 and 7. Around 30 to 35 years is a good shelf life for wheat.
Then again, some has been found in Egypt that was a couple thousand years old that was still good.
Keep it cool, dry, stored away from bugs and it will be OK.
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Posted: May 06 2006 at 4:03pm |
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1 how much does whole wheat [white ] cost verses store bought flour?
Try www.honeyvillegrain.com There are others, but this store has $5 shipping. (It's about $35 for 50 lbs). I buy wheat in bulk from the LDS church at their food storage center. You can see if there is one near you at http://www.providentliving.org/location/map/0,12566,2026-1-4,00.html. You have to volunteer there for a couple of hours to be able to buy anything, but you could call and see if they will let you. There I can buy 200 lbs for about $35.
2 Can I purchase wheat at my local health food store?
I've never seen it in any decent quantities at a health food store, but I haven't really looked for it either.
3 Cost of grinder [decent one] and hand verses crank???
about $200 electric $60 hand. www.beprepared.com
4 How much whole wheat for say a family of four a month would I need?
I have a family of 8 (but the three littlest don't eat much). Baking everything from scratch, I use about 25lbs of flour every 2 weeks. As a rule of thumb you need about 3 cups of flour per loaf. You can usually get about 4 cups of flour per pound.
5 How long does it take to grind enough wheat for a week for say a family of 4? It takes me about 15 minutes to grind enough wheat by hand for two loaves of bread (about six cups).
6 how long does whole wheat keep? 30-35 years if you can keep it cool.
7 Storage requirements? I store in 6 gallon food-grade plastic bucktets with oxy absorbers.
Go to http://www.providentliving.org/emergencyprep/calculator/0,11242,2008-1,00.html for a food storage calculator. Go to http://www.providentliving.org/content/list/0,11664,2016-1,00.html for more info on how to store.
Hope that helps.
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Posted: May 06 2006 at 4:05pm |
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Also, I am planning on 750-1000 lbs of wheat per year for a family of 6. That's about 12 loaves of bread a week, tortillas a couple of times a week and misc. other baking.
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Posted: May 09 2006 at 11:12am |
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You guys have made me want to buy wheat! and I don't even know what it looks like. lol I just called a local feed store to see if they sell it. He told me he did but the last few times he's placed an order they were out. Hmmm....I ask him what he thought the reason was...said he didn't know, but it was unusual. I may have to settle for wheat flour.
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Posted: May 09 2006 at 1:55pm |
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You guys are great
Thanks! this community is simply the best Gonna go on the hunt for wheat and a grinder
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Posted: May 09 2006 at 3:35pm |
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slcmom - I have been watching this thread and finally did the math. Thank you so much for all the information you have provided.
I had already ordered 50# of hard white wheat from the site you mentioned with low shipping charges and picked up an inexpensive hand grinder. Figured I'd use my Vita-Mix when there's electricity. We generally pay close to $3 a loaf for decent bread now. Even purchasing online, 50# at a time - we could have superior bread for less than 70 cents a loaf. I used to make homemade bread but did so by purchasing small bags of flour all the time. I didn't know squat about food storage until finding this forum. I haven't checked any of our local feed suppliers yet, but expect that I can probably purchase the wheat locally in Tulsa. Oklahoma grows quite a bit of wheat. I found an online state coop but they charge like $50 to join and then there are additional add-on fees. Probably not a bargain if you're only seeking one product. Although I've been sick since late October and am still struggling to keep up with work, prepping and attempts to plant my garden, I am really excited about using wheat and making our own staples again. This time it will really be from scratch. Bless you for your generous character. |
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Posted: May 09 2006 at 10:24pm |
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I'm glad it was helpful. I'm really a frozen food kind of girl, but I started cooking from scratch a few months ago as a way to save money to spend on preps. The two biggest money savers have been the homemade bread and I make homemade granola. Both keep my teenage boys nice and full. Overall, I've reduced my grocery budget about $50 a week. This was a must for me because since I have little kids, I have a lot of pricey things I need to have like formula and diapers. |
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 7:34am |
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Ok! got the wheat ordered, now I'll have to get me a grinder. I can't believe the low shipping!! I ordered 50# of wheat and 50# of oats plus a few more things and the shipping was 4.95! Thanks slcmom for the info! I'll print this page so I'll know what to do with my wheat when it comes! |
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 11:26am |
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slcmom,
I was making the granola mix from the MAKE-A-MIX cookbook until my DH fell in love with nasty Bran Buds. The granola mix was healthy, delicious and the recipe makes 20 cups that can be stored up to 6 months. I may make up some more to vacuum seal for later. The mix was good as a snack, with milk and can be used in another recipe to make wonderful muffins. I'm excited about making our own bread again. It's been awhile. |
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 1:26pm |
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Easy, easy bread:
Briefly Mix: 3 cups lukewarm water, 1/3 cup sugar (or honey), 1/3 cup canola (or just vegetable) oil, 1 cup bread flour (the high gluten kind you'd buy near the bread maker mixes) , 1 Tb salt, 1 1/2 Tb yeast, 1 Tb dough enhancer (if available--not necessary if you don't have this).
Add: aprx. 6 cups flour (white, wheat or combination) until dough is soft, but not too sticky. The best tip is it should be manageable. (If the dough is too sticky, it will fall, if it is too hard, it will be tough--but you have a pretty big margin of error so don't sweat it too much).
Knead for 8 minutes. Can use a dough hook on a kitchen aid or Bosch or by hand.
Split in two and shape into two loaves. Spray or crisco pans.
Rise until double (about 2 inches over top of pans)
Bake for aprx. 45 min at 350. Can check for doneness by popping bread out of pan and using meat thermometer. 180-200 degrees is done.
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 1:30pm |
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And I cook about 20 cups of granola a week (no kidding).
It's basically 4 cups oats, 1/2 c. raw sunflower seeds (or other nut), 1/2 c. chopped almonds (or other nut), 1/2 tsp salt, 1 c. coconut (or other dried fruit) (opt). Mix, then add:
1/4 c. canola oil, 1/4 C. honey, 1/4 C. brown sugar, 1 tsp vanila (for a no-sugar version, replace the honey with sugar free syrup, the sugar with splenda, and the vanilla with maple flavoring).
Mix the two together, bake at 350 on a cookie sheet for about 25 minutes, stirring every 8 minutes or so to keep the edges from burning. It will harden as it cools.
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 1:51pm |
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slcmom,
That's pretty much the granola recipe I have too. I always put coconut and sunflower nuts in as well as sesame seed and some other nut if I had it (almonds or pecans). Usually added raisins or banana chips or craisins too. Great granola. Thanks for the bread recipe! |
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Posted: May 11 2006 at 10:30am |
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thanks so much!
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