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    Posted: June 06 2007 at 12:03am
“The United States dollar is facing IMMINENT COLLAPSE in the face of an unsustainable debt.”
 
 
 
Department of Public Information • News and Media Division • New York

PRESS CONFERENCE ON MIDYEAR UPDATE OF WORLD ECONOMIC SITUATION, PROSPECTS


A midyear review of the world economic situation showed that while the global economic outlook was quite positive, large uncertainties surrounded it, Rob Vos, the Director of the Development Policy and Analysis Division of the Department of Economic and Social Affairs (DESA), told correspondents at a Headquarters press conference today.


Launching the midyear update of the 2007 World Economic Situation and Prospects report, he said those uncertainties included a weak United States housing market and global imbalances.


In terms of the United States housing sector, he noted that a recession in the housing sector had continued in 2007, with a slowdown in activity and a large number of unsold homes.  While house prices had not fallen, that might happen in the months and years to come if the recession continued as expected.  A decline in prices would affect the domestic market, particularly household consumption in the United States, resulting in the risk of a serious recession in its economy, slowing growth from 2.1 per cent to 0.5 per cent in 2007 and 2008.  That would then significantly slow the world economy and transmit the recession into the rest of the world.  There had also been problems in the United States subprime mortgage market, which showed the risk of a spill over from the housing to financial markets.


Global imbalances were projected to stabilize in 2007 and 2008, but were still very large, he said.  The United States deficit had increased to $860 billion at the end of 2006, and was expected to fall to $800 billion in 2007.  That deficit was basically being financed by surpluses in the developing and oil exporting countries, as well as some major developed countries, in particular Japan and Germany.  The European Union,at large, was projected to continue to have a slight deficit on its current account. 


United States debt, which had now deepened to well over $3 trillion, might turn out to be unsustainable in the rest of 2007 or next, putting further downward pressure on the United States dollar, he said.  Since its peak in 2002, the dollar had depreciated vis-ŕ-vis the major currencies by some 35 per cent and by 25 per cent against a broader range of other currencies.


With that increased debt the risk of a sharp depreciation of the dollar continued, he said.  If countries willing to invest in United States dollar assets expected further depreciation, they might be less willing to hold dollar assets, triggering a much sharper fall in the United States dollar.  The risk of disorderly adjustment and the steep fall of the dollar existed.  The policy challenge was how to prevent a hard landing of the United States dollar and forge a benign adjustment of the global imbalance.

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Predictions such as this seem to come true.  The dollar has been in trouble for some time and a 40% drop in value has been predicted before.  What a way to wipe out your hard earned savings account.
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It has been a long time coming. The whole world is in for some ****. Maybe, now we can dump the corrupt as hell federal banking system!!
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And I just upped my 410K contributions...should be buying bullets.
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Bullets are an excellent investment, with the prices soaring because of shortages and metal prices soaring, you couldn't do better...many will find in the future that guns without bullets are merely clubs!

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Originally posted by Wunjo Wagon Wunjo Wagon wrote:

Bullets are an excellent investment, with the prices soaring because of shortages and metal prices soaring, you couldn't do better...many will find in the future that guns without bullets are merely clubs!

Joy to the world!
 
Heh...what a quote!
And yeah....I sold all of the stocks/bonds I purchased. Go for the gold! (And, I don't mean a medal). The price is sky high right now, but if you buy bars, I believe it's cheaper. But, bars should only be for consolidating wealth. For trading purposes, I would reccomend small silver and gold coinage, or jewelry (which, was created, in fact, not only for bodily decour, but to transport currency in ancient times). As times get worse, It will become more and more useful to have at least part of your savings conserved in this way. Guns and DEFINITELY ammo are a must have. Any kind of manual (or even power) tools will be highly sought after, as well. Iron cookwear....all of that stuff.
I would reckon vegetable/fruit/plant seeds would be high on the list as well, since you rarely find people growing their own stuff anymore.
Think of what your granddaddy would have covetted, and go for that.
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Originally posted by floriduhgirl floriduhgirl wrote:

Originally posted by Wunjo Wagon Wunjo Wagon wrote:

Bullets are an excellent investment, with the prices soaring because of shortages and metal prices soaring, you couldn't do better...many will find in the future that guns without bullets are merely clubs!Joy to the world!

 

Heh...what a quote!

And yeah....I sold all of the stocks/bonds I purchased. Go for the gold! (And, I don't mean a medal). The price is sky high right now, but if you buy bars, I believe it's cheaper. But, bars should only be for consolidating wealth. For trading purposes, I would reccomend small silver and gold coinage, or jewelry (which, was created, in fact, not only for bodily decour, but to transport currency in ancient times). As times get worse, It will become more and more useful to have at least part of your savings conserved in this way. Guns and DEFINITELY ammo are a must have. Any kind of manual (or even power) tools will be highly sought after, as well. Iron cookwear....all of that stuff.

I would reckon vegetable/fruit/plant seeds would be high on the list as well, since you rarely find people growing their own stuff anymore.

Think of what your granddaddy would have covetted, and go for that.


All excellent advice!

Especially about the ammunition. My brother, father, and I bought nearly 8000 rounds of 7.62x39 when it was only $80/1000 and it's now nearly doubled in value! You can still find it for right around $120/1000 but it's in extreme demand and sells out in a matter of minutes whenever someone gets some in.

My fear of this is that if the Dollar tanks, the Yuan (Chinese currency) is doomed as well.

The world will suffer greatly if the dollar takes a crap. The decreased sales to the US isn't the case we're talking about. We're talking about near cessation of all sales to the US consumer! If the dollar reaches that kind of low, China's just not going to want to do business, but will have to anyway, there's no other consumer base like the US. That would be a disaster the likes of which would absolutely end the Chinese economy. The problem for them is that there's just not the consumer base in Europe, Africa, or anywhere else that there is in the US. Further without the influx of new labor that has reached epidemic proportions in Europe, (They're not having enough children to offset retirements) there's that many fewer consumers there. As it stands, China is already exporting all it can to Europe, with the vast majority, nearly 70%, of its exports headed right here to the US. A crashed US dollar spells imminent doom for everyone else.

If the dollar tanks, the Yuan isn't very far behind. Remember that without the US consumer base, you've got quite a lot of people running around China without jobs, still eating up the food they just can't pay for, rather close to overnight. With a horrible Yuan, China's not going to be able to buy the energy they need. Russia's going to have to make a very difficult choice here, as is the Middle East OPEC nations. Do they sell to both China and the US for the crappy dollar *AND* a crappy Yuan? Do they sell to the US or China exclusively? Or do they sell to whomever has the better valued currency. Whoever decides to sell to the US exclusively now has the Chinese military looking to invade. Regardless of whether China and Russia are "Allies" now, it's not going to last. They were "allies" during the 1970's and that didn't really last long. It particularly wouldn't if both OPEC and Russia sold to the US.

If they sold only to China, the US would absolutely go and take someone's oil. Believe that. Chances are that the US wouldn't go and take Russia's oil as they've got nukes, and that just wouldn't work out. I'll assume that we'd go and take Venezuela's, and China'd look to block that, and that only leads to one place: War. And it would be a war we all lose.

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Excellent posts and advice! I am thinking about stopping contributions to my 401-k and buying some more gold and silver with that money. I think that we are in for some real hard times ahead. I am in good shape with my guns,food,and ammo supply. I am not a survivalist, but sometimes i like to think that way..It is fun starting a fire with a steal and flint!
    
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The United States dollar is facing IMMINENT COLLAPSE in the face of an unsustainable debt.
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Just Gloom and Dooming...  overreacting can be harmful.

We have survived wars, market crashes and pandemics. 


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929

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The crash followed a speculative boom that had taken hold in the late 1920s, which had led millions of Americans to invest heavily in the stock market, a significant number even borrowing money to buy more stock. By August 1929, brokers were routinely lending small investors more than 2/3 of the face value of the stocks they were buying. Over $8.5 billion was out on loan, more than the entire amount of currency circulating in the U.S.[7] The rising share prices encouraged more people to invest; people hoped the share prices would rise further. Speculation thus fueled further rises and created an economic bubble. The average P/E (price to earnings) ratio of S&P Composite stocks was 32.6 in September 1929 [8], clearly above historical norms.

On October 24, 1929 (with the Dow just past its September 3 peak of 381.17), the market finally turned down, and panic selling started. 12,894,650 shares were traded in a single day as people desperately tried to mitigate the situation. This mass sale was considered a major contributing factor to the Great Depression. Economists and historians, however, frequently differ in their views of the Crash's significance in this respect.

Some hold that political over-reactions to the crash, such as the passage of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act through the U.S. Congress, caused more harm than the Crash itself.





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What I posted is an official report from the UN

I am 53 and NEVER have I seen such a thing and it must be taken seriously
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i've been saying for over a year to start converting $$'s into international money.  I highly recommend coins, you can always use them to barter for goods if necessary.
If you have to bury them in a jar in the garden, that's about as safe as anywhere else.  A safe deposit box is great but WTSHTF, you'll have to empty it out and get the stuff home.
 
I wear a French Angel gold coin on a chain, I'm sure it would fetch me a tank of gas if i had to use it.
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Originally posted by Annharra Annharra wrote:


The United States dollar is facing IMMINENT COLLAPSE in the face of an unsustainable debt.
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Just Gloom and Dooming...  overreacting can be harmful.

We have survived wars, market crashes and pandemics. 


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929

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The crash followed a speculative boom that had taken hold in the late 1920s, which had led millions of Americans to invest heavily in the stock market, a significant number even borrowing money to buy more stock. By August 1929, brokers were routinely lending small investors more than 2/3 of the face value of the stocks they were buying. Over $8.5 billion was out on loan, more than the entire amount of currency circulating in the U.S.[7] The rising share prices encouraged more people to invest; people hoped the share prices would rise further. Speculation thus fueled further rises and created an economic bubble. The average P/E (price to earnings) ratio of S&P Composite stocks was 32.6 in September 1929 [8], clearly above historical norms.

On October 24, 1929 (with the Dow just past its September 3 peak of 381.17), the market finally turned down, and panic selling started. 12,894,650 shares were traded in a single day as people desperately tried to mitigate the situation. This mass sale was considered a major contributing factor to the Great Depression. Economists and historians, however, frequently differ in their views of the Crash's significance in this respect.

Some hold that political over-reactions to the crash, such as the passage of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act through the U.S. Congress, caused more harm than the Crash itself.





 
 
 
Not to be extreme, or sound like a nut job, but...you are comparing apples and oranges. Our market has never been so complex, and never have so many people relied on the market for basic survival (that's what all of this prepping is about, is it not?). The entire world relies on the United States, to some degree, for market stability. And, one of the biggest exporter economies, that also happens to have the world's biggest population, relies immensely on us. When it was said above that the Yuan relies on us...they weren't joking.
If two of the world's biggest economies crash....it won't be a blip.
 
I've been discussing our specific situation (which, I believe is becoming a rather nasty case of stagflation, among other things) with my company accountant, and he (who has worked on wallstreet) feels that if anything else, this economy is headed toward an unfortunate destiny. I am inclined to agree with him. Commodities prices have skyrocketed, and we've got a stangnant housing market...unemployment is rising, consumer purchases have gone way down, we have a national debt that cannot physically be paid off (there is not enough printed money in existence...), we are in the middle of a war that looks as if it will only continue, and the middle class seems as if it's slowly disappearing...etc...etc.
And, the devaluation of the dollar....well, I deal with that on a daily basis. See, I work for a travel company that is confronted by currency exchange rates on a regular basis. Our basic operation costs have gone up 20%, because of the devaluation of the dollar....in SOUTH AMERICA. 
 
Alarmism fails to describe where I am with this. This is imminent. So buckle your f***ing seatbelt.
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    This topic (and what gun to buy) seems to always generate lively debate. I can't believe that the world economy is going to collapse in my lifetime but I recognize I might be in denial. While sitting here today I have it made, and life is good, there appears to be an increasing number of "worst case scenerios" popping up that could, if you believe the talk, return us to a middle ages lifestyle. This bee dieing deal...for example...some are saying that if they don't get that figured out and we lose a big chunk of the bee pollination it will be about 4 years before we are starving. And, of course, having most of the world's oil in the hands of despots and nut jobs is troubling. The stock is a big poker game and if the stakes get too high and everyone decides to cash in their chips then those chips end up being worthless....

But I still don't believe anything is going to happen...or maybe its I can't accept that it might. time to stock up on more beer.           
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Originally posted by Never2late Never2late wrote:

    This topic (and what gun to buy) seems to always generate lively debate. I can't believe that the world economy is going to collapse in my lifetime but I recognize I might be in denial. While sitting here today I have it made, and life is good, there appears to be an increasing number of "worst case scenerios" popping up that could, if you believe the talk, return us to a middle ages lifestyle. This bee dieing deal...for example...some are saying that if they don't get that figured out and we lose a big chunk of the bee pollination it will be about 4 years before we are starving. And, of course, having most of the world's oil in the hands of despots and nut jobs is troubling. The stock is a big poker game and if the stakes get too high and everyone decides to cash in their chips then those chips end up being worthless....

But I still don't believe anything is going to happen...or maybe its I can't accept that it might. time to stock up on more beer.           
 
It makes perfect sense. When you build something up high enough, it will topple. That's what we did by globalizing the economy. That's what we did by creating complexeties that weren't necessary. As children, we're taught to believe in the absolute infalibility of democratic ideologies (which I believe in), but, what people don't realize is that our economy isn't a democratic system. It has systematically eaten local infrastructures and small businesses near and far, until all that's left is chains, franchises, and HUGE corporations. We have systematically separated people from trade and craft. They don't know how to do ANYTHING. You remove local industry, and It becomes that much easier to create a domino effect of badness (for lack of a better word). When you have a huge, interlocked corporation, all it takes is one big foul-up and the whole entitiy is on it's knees. But, with local economy...It is hard to make a mountain bow. Local economy has stood the test of time.
We also royally BLEEPed up when we introduced industrial farming, chain grocers, boxed food. We put middlemen between people and their food, and we allowed society to develop a serious problem: no one knows how to cook. They don't know how to build. They don't know how to survive.
When reliance on economy is that great, and then something economically malfunctions, the effect will be felt near and wide.
Last time our economy malfunctioned, people still had the means to take care of themselves. This idea generates two suggestions: A) that the economy has malfunctioned before, and it will, therefore, malfunction again....and....B) If it did malfunction today, we would have a very reduced ability/likelyhood of survival.
With the pace at which things have changed, I feel that it is likely that people don't realize we have only been living like this for 35-40 years. In the scheme of things, that is nothing. This way of life has not passed the test, by any means....it hasn't even taken the test yet. But, when it does, I do not have high expectations for it's success. It has already proven to me that it is flawed.
Although I'm only 20, I am weary to the changes that have taken place. I never lived in the times before there were cellphones or computers....but I belive the reliance on the old ways is about to return. I am not buying into the fallacy that technology somehow immunizes us from failure. In fact, I'm betting on the opposing team. I think all it did was create uneccesary complexity. And, it has ruined us.
We tried to fix something that wasn't broken.
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And, as for the gun thing....I've got a Winchester Defender 1300. Pop a folding stock on the back of that baby....with some #4 birdshot...and you're set to go. Wink
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(BCP) Before cell phones...I remember when our coins were silver, and a first class postage stamp was 4 cents, gas was 25 cents a gallon, and I made $5 an hour while living in a 3 bedroom 2 bath home in the burbs with 2 cars, btw...1 of them was a 66 Chevelle Supersport convertible...don't you just love the new world global economy?

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Originally posted by Wunjo Wagon Wunjo Wagon wrote:

(BCP) Before cell phones...I remember when our coins were silver, and a
first class postage stamp was 4 cents, gas was 25 cents a gallon, and I
made $5 an hour while living in a 3 bedroom 2 bath home in the burbs
with 2 cars, btw...1 of them was a 66 Chevelle Supersport
convertible...don't you just love the new world global economy?

Joy to the world...!

    
It was a happy time. They had flowery meadows, and rainbow skies and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles.

Lol, it was nice BCP when we didn't have to deal with every goomba with a cell phone sticking to their ear as they drive like a drunk.

If the dollar crashes bigtime, oil will become prohibitively expensive. Depending on how far it falls we could feasably see $150 per barrel oil or more! If oil hit that kind of price with the dollar at it's current value we could be looking at $6.00 per gallon gasoline in the US, most of us could afford that if we had to, but it might bring a downturn in the economy. If the dollar's value was cut in half, imagine $12 a gallon!!! That would further speed up a collapse and there just wouldn't be any coming out of it.

World exports would come to a screeching halt virtually overnight. The world's other countries could move to a different currency for oil, but then without the US to keep the world economy up, and other countries further smashing the US economy by dumping dollars, they'd just make a world collapse that much worse as the US drags the rest of the world into the hole. It would definately be fun to watch if you could be an unaffected party and watch the panic unfold, but who could be unaffected?
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Damn I am gettn old i recall those days lol
Something wicked these way comes!!!!
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Originally posted by Wunjo Wagon Wunjo Wagon wrote:

(BCP) Before cell phones...I remember when our coins were silver, and a
first class postage stamp was 4 cents, gas was 25 cents a gallon, and I made $5 an hour while living in a 3 bedroom 2 bath home in the burbs with 2 cars, btw...1 of them was a 66 Chevelle Supersport convertible...don't you just love the new world global economy? Joy to the world...!


Originally posted by Graywolf Graywolf wrote:

Damn I am gettn old i recall those days lol


LOL, yes we are getting old. I remember loading up the surf boards on the 56 chevy, all of us looking for change to buy enough gas to get to the beach to surf before school, go to school, and hope we weren't late for first class. If you were lucky you had PE for first class, and didn't have to smell like the ocean in a class room. Ahhh simple days, no cell phones, no cable, most folks had black and white TV, dial-up telephones, telephone booths you made a call for a dime, riding in the back of trucks, mooning folk (opps) never mind, LOL
     
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The good old days? Hey, the minimum wage here in OK is still $5.10 an hour. With the prices of gas and food going so high these days, I just don't see that the regular working folks will able to spend money on "extras" like fast food, clothing, toys, books, etc. All their wages will be going to pay mortgages/rent utilities and food. How long can the economy hold up without people buying all those other types of goods? The last two weeks when I have been in Walmart I have taken notice as to what people have in their carts. In two different trips, what I mostly saw was food, I also saw someone with a fan and another with a toaster, EVERY person in the store (it was the middle of the day) was only buying food or pet food. I was kind of weird. I also was only buying food and pet food though.
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Penham, I don't think anyone can afford more than just food. Like you said, after mortgage, taxes, insurance, car payment, car insurance, utilities, meds and just basics there isn't much $$ left except HOPEFULLY for food. So many people go without with their meds or food because they can't afford both. It really is awful.   
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Originally posted by MelodyAtHome MelodyAtHome wrote:

   Penham, I don't think anyone can afford more than just food. Like you said, after mortgage, taxes, insurance, car payment, car insurance, utilities, meds and just basics there isn't much $$ left except HOPEFULLY for food. So many people go without with their meds or food because they can't afford both. It really is awful.   


This is going to sound weird, but in some ways I'm actually hoping for a major economic collapse. I know it sounds extreme, but hear me out and see if you agree.

1. A economic collapse is like a great economy reset button. As it stands now you've got a growing dichotomy between the haves and the have nots. If there's an economic collapse, everyone's a have not and we're all going to have to start back at square one. It's like the forest fire that burns up the old growth so the younger trees can get a shot at growing.

2. Racism, classism, etc is all gone, over, kaput. We'd all have bigger things to think about than hating someone just because they're a little bit different.

3. We'd all be very physically fit. How many of us would be able to afford to sit in front of the television and grow horizontally. Would there even be a television to sit in front of?

Basically it would change our priorities from all the crap we do now, to what's actually important. Maybe if everyone had to have a taste of being poor and having to choose between food, meds, or house payment/bills they might put a limit on how one damn heart pill costs upwards of 85 dollars when it costs .50 cents to make it. I'm all for supply and demand, but when people's lives hang in the balance, something's very wrong.
    
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Turboguy, I think a lot of people on this forum feel like you do, even if they aren't willing to say it.
I think that it is the only logical destiny, that we will have a.....culling of the heard (sounds bad). The earth simply cannot continue to sustain this threshold.
I, for one, am tired of the arrogance, the ignorance, the parasitic way in which the world lives.
While I wish this could happen without human tragedy, lessons must be learned....It must be learned that we cannot simply jump the gun, and discard our old ways....the ways that actually worked.
I think that if this happens, it will either bind people, or rip them apart...but, imagine it will only bring the world closer. Out of it will come more consistent and better dialogue. We will have the opportunity, like you said, to start over from scratch. We would have fewer excuses not to do things the right way. We wouldn't have people whining about the expense of creating better, cleaner, more efficient infrastructures. We could actually *gasp* plan things out.
It goes without saying that this is in the cards for us all; that the inevitability of something like an economic collapse or a pandemic are only getting more likely each day... And, I don't see this as "chicken little" nonsense, fatalist, or even just wishful thinking. As long as the world continues to sweep big problems under the rug, to keep the short term lookin' good...bad outcomes will occur in the long run.
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"  I remember when our coins were silver, and a first class postage
stamp was 4 cents, gas was 25 cents a gallon, and I made $5 an hour...."

And war profiteering was a crime.   Today it is considered a
respectable capitalist form of business and anyone who complains
about it is called a Commie.

When did that change happen ??

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Dubai: Demand from Saudi Arabia and Egypt is expected to boost Dubai's gold imports in the second quarter, Dubai traders and industry officials said yesterday.

Dubai is a centre for the import and re-export of gold, bringing in 489 tonnes of gold in 2006 and exporting 274 tonnes, according to the Dubai Multi Commodities Exchange (DMCC).

"Dubai's gold imports in the second quarter will be higher than the first quarter of 2007 and higher than the first quarter of last year," said Moaz Barakat, managing director of the World Gold Council in the Middle East, Turkey and Pakistan.

"Demand from countries liEgypt and Saudi Arabia for Dubai gold is increasing and the city is increasing its imports to meet this demand," he told Reuters.

Dubai's first quarter gold imports rose to 132 tonnes, up 14.8 per cent compared with the same period last year, while exports fell 23.3 per cent to 66 tonnes, the DMCC said.

Gold demand in Saudi Arabia rose 6.9 per cent to 26 tonnes in the first quarter of 2007, while in Egypt, the most populous Arab country, it jumped 15.4 per cent to 15.7 tonnes, the World Gold Council has said.

"Demand for Dubai gold is becoming ... huge and more gold is getting into the city which has succeeded in truly becoming the world's city of gold," said Tawhid Abdullah, managing director of the city's Gold and Jewellery Group.

Total value of gold traded through the city during the first quarter was $4.08 billion, up from $3.588 billion during the first quarter of last year.

Local traders said that recent high gold prices had not affected the appetite for Dubai's gold.

"People are fine with the current price levels and they do not mind paying more as long as they are getting the best designs and the best quality, which are the traits of Dubai gold," a trader said.

"Countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia who have historic gold markets, are asking for our gold and many jewellers here have opened shops in these countries."

In Egypt, where residents once considered gold the skin of the gods and lavished it on their ancient pharaohs as they passed to the afterlife, many women only buy Dubai-branded jewellery from small shops on Al Sagha Street - Cairo's equivalent to Old Bond Street in London.

"Most women here would not like the traditional piece of gold jewellery. We want to wear something fancy, trendy and unusual, which you can find in pieces that come from Dubai," 33-year-old gold shopper Halima Madeh said.

Spot gold bullion peaked at $730 an ounce in May 2006, its highest level since a record peak above $800 in 1980.

Prices now stand at around $658 an ounce, a 27 per cent rise since ke the start of 2006.

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I tried to post the text, but it wouldn't copy right.  However, the gist of the article is Saudi Arabia, Egypt and other Arabian countries are already stock pilling gold, they have enough sense to realize the dollar is most likely doomed and when it goes, so does the economy, so it's now a good time to stock some international money in your storm celler.
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http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/07/06/10/10131302.html
 


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Dubai: Demand from Saudi Arabia and Egypt is expected to boost Dubai's gold imports in the second quarter, Dubai traders and industry officials said yesterday.


Dubai is a centre for the import and re-export of gold, bringing in 489 tonnes of gold in 2006 and exporting 274 tonnes, according to the Dubai Multi Commodities Exchange (DMCC).


"Dubai's gold imports in the second quarter will be higher than the first quarter of 2007 and higher than the first quarter of last year," said Moaz Barakat, managing director of the World Gold Council in the Middle East, Turkey and Pakistan.


"Demand from countries liEgypt and Saudi Arabia for Dubai gold is increasing and the city is increasing its imports to meet this demand," he told Reuters.


Dubai's first quarter gold imports rose to 132 tonnes, up 14.8 per cent compared with the same period last year, while exports fell 23.3 per cent to 66 tonnes, the DMCC said.


Gold demand in Saudi Arabia rose 6.9 per cent to 26 tonnes in the first quarter of 2007, while in Egypt, the most populous Arab country, it jumped 15.4 per cent to 15.7 tonnes, the World Gold Council has said.


"Demand for Dubai gold is becoming ... huge and more gold is getting into the city which has succeeded in truly becoming the world's city of gold," said Tawhid Abdullah, managing director of the city's Gold and Jewellery Group.


Total value of gold traded through the city during the first quarter was $4.08 billion, up from $3.588 billion during the first quarter of last year.


Local traders said that recent high gold prices had not affected the appetite for Dubai's gold.


"People are fine with the current price levels and they do not mind paying more as long as they are getting the best designs and the best quality, which are the traits of Dubai gold," a trader said.


"Countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia who have historic gold markets, are asking for our gold and many jewellers here have opened shops in these countries."


In Egypt, where residents once considered gold the skin of the gods and lavished it on their ancient pharaohs as they passed to the afterlife, many women only buy Dubai-branded jewellery from small shops on Al Sagha Street - Cairo's equivalent to Old Bond Street in London.


"Most women here would not like the traditional piece of gold jewellery. We want to wear something fancy, trendy and unusual, which you can find in pieces that come from Dubai," 33-year-old gold shopper Halima Madeh said.


Spot gold bullion peaked at $730 an ounce in May 2006, its highest level since a record peak above $800 in 1980.


Prices now stand at around $658 an ounce, a 27 per cent rise since ke the start of 2006.

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Not a surprise. Gold is always a good buy. It's a safe investment...and can be a lifesaver.
The Saudis always seem to have their bases covered.
I've been trying to get some cheap gold....broken jewelry, coins, etc. etc.
I don't have the $$ to go for the bars and stuff like that....
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Originally posted by Diode Diode wrote:

"  I remember when our coins were silver, and a
first class postagestamp was 4 cents, gas was 25 cents a gallon, and I
made $5 an hour...."And war profiteering was a crime.   Today it is considered arespectable capitalist form of business and anyone who complainsabout it is called a Commie.When did that change happen ??


    
Um, lest we forget, Abraham Lincoln did exactly this and started a civil war because one part of the country was making higher profits and beating his friend's businesses soundly. Was he indicted? Nope, he's considered to be one of the greatest president's to ever grace Washington. People try to make his actions sound noble, but it was war profiteering, plain and simple.

This change happened just about a century ago. It was only a crime when the competition of the politician's buddy was doing better.
    
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Just as I suspected,   only a schooled southerner would premise all
of his beliefs on the Civil War.   When will you people get over it ??

Life did not begin and end in 1861.   

Did your teachers "learn you"  only on a North /South  perspective ??

The Rebs attacked a Federal Fort,   Fort Sumpter,  and  started the
war that killed over 600,000 young American  men.   Not the North.

Northern Christians found slavery to be against everything the Bible
preached.    The Southern so called "Christians"  (Southern Baptists)
somehow found human slavery to be acceptable to their God.

It seems you do too......

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I apologize pardner, I live in Minneapolis Minnesota. This is widely considered far from the Mason-Dixon line. I grew up here and was schooled in the Liberal indoctrination camp... er Public School system.

I never advocated slavery, quite the opposite. The Civil war was not to free anyone, but did good come of it? Why yes it did. It, for the most part, ended slavery in the US. You can convolute the Civil war to make it whatever you want it to be, but the bottom line is that it wasn't for reasons anywhere near as noble as freeing anyone, it was about money, and profiteering off of a war.

You make a comparison to the current war in Iraq, and I will agree that we went in there for all the wrong reasons. The reason about the WMD's was just an excuse. (And if you doubt for a nanosecond that there was chemical weapons there then you're being naive. They were there, 100,000 dead kurds can't all be wrong) There's good that's going to come out of this war like keeping oil prices down, hedging the US as the dominant superpower until the end of oil, and giving the idiot muslim extremists something to die for and somewhere to do it other than US cities. I'm fully of the opinion that the current fiasco the Iraq war's become is tragic in the extreme. The civilians need to point our military in the direction and let them do the management of the war. Civilians screwing around is exactly what happened in Vietnam.

Anyway, this is not what this thread is about, and I'm not about to allow this thread to get hijacked for your own KParcell-esque diatribes on the current political fiasco in Iraq. The discussion as far as I'm concerned, in regards to you, is over. If you want to continue this debate in another thread, by all means, start one.
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Originally posted by Diode Diode wrote:

Just as I suspected,   only a schooled southerner would premise all
of his beliefs on the Civil War.   When will you people get over it
??

Life did not begin and end in 1861.   

Did your teachers "learn you"  only on a North /South  perspective ??

The Rebs attacked a Federal Fort,   Fort Sumpter,  and  started the
war that killed over 600,000 young American  men.   Not the North.

Northern Christians found slavery to be against everything the Bible
preached.    The Southern so called "Christians"  (Southern Baptists)
somehow found human slavery to be acceptable to their God.

It seems you do too......

 
Listen, pal. I don't know where the hell you get off acting all high and mighty...or insulting the south. I normally don't really care when people toss around stereotypes, blah, blah, blah...."redneck" this, and "cracker" that. I hear it all the time from ignorant northern folk coming down here in droves, wearing Tevas with socks, buying worthless garbage from tourist traps, and feeding baby alligators from the 7th hole of a pirate ship shaped mini golf course, on the beach...which only exists because some rich northern idiots came down, plowed away about 15 beach shantys to build it. All of this "condo" and "activity resort" building was done with nary an inkling that they were destroying our little island community.
 
It isn't bad enough that we have to deal with your farmer's tans and "funny accents", but we have to hear the nonsense on an almost regular basis about how "ignorant" we are. We have to deal with you "ultra-civilized", "ultra-urban", too cool for school motherBLEEPers, coming down here and stripping all of the life out of our cities, while you wax philosophical about how our simple little lives are so base without foie gras and starbucks, and how horrible our public school systems are. Get a life. Honestly.
As far as the "learn you" comment is concerned, I am quite confident that I am not only as educated as any northerner, but I have far more sense than most of them. At my university, all of the "northern" kids are either cokeheads, rich little snobs, or "northern christians" that get caught stealing from walmart and having casual sex with every attractive male that gives them the time of day.  I rarely see any northerners that come down here with work ethic, self-pride, or an ability to think for themselves. Because, unfortunately, no one from up there with any integrity has the money to come vacation here. Your working class is the only class that has any.
 Being from the south is a point of pride for me. I don't give a **** about the politically correct rhetoric about "slavery". I've never owned a slave. My mother's family were Welsh/Irish-Catholic immigrants who left their beautiful country because of the protestant idiots (how does it feel?) who felt it was okay to starve them to death, in order to force them out of their own land... How christian of them. My fathers side were Danish confederate soldiers, who cared nothing about slavery (because anyone who has a clue about the Civil War knows it had nothing to do with that), but only about their homes. All of my family was, is, and will be well educated, well spoken, and poised.
You can try to put down the south, you can try to institute some sort of politically correct garbage that makes people who appreciate their home guilty, but, I am afraid that we will keep on making barbecue, shooting guns, and laughing at you "holier than thou" northern folk with your fat, pasty bodies, and high in the sky noses.
So spare us.
Your comments are unwelcome. 
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You go Floriduhgirl! And I am from the North!! 
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   Floriduhgirl, I'm from Ohio. I can't help if I have a pastey looking body...lol...we rarely get sun:O) We aren't all bad:O) That's why I'm coming down to see you folks in Florida to get rid of my farmer tan:O)But seriously I hear what you are saying
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"  Flori  Duhhh  Girly girl said:

at my university, all of the "northern" kids are either cokeheads, rich little snobs, or "northern christians" that get caught stealing from walmart and having casual sex with every attractive male that gives them the time of day.  "

You are so full of Siht it is almost pathetic.    AAMOF,   you are
a worthless human female  piece of  southern ****.   Have you checked  the crime rates lately ????   North versus dirty South ??
Have you checked the criminal way of life the dirty south lives ???

When you do check the facts let me know.......
Get a life loser......................
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Originally posted by Diode Diode wrote:

" "You are so full of Siht it is almost pathetic.    AAMOF,   you area worthless human female piece of southern ****.   Have you checked the crime rates lately ????   North versus dirty South ??Have you checked the criminal way of life the dirty south lives ???When you do check the facts let me know.......Get a life loser.........................

    
FIrst and foremost, I am not pasty, nor am I fat. I never wear socks with sandals... in fact I never wear sandals unless I'm on a ocean beach, and since there's not one here, I relegate them to patchouli smelling hippies. I'm a pretty decent looking guy, work out regularly (And I've got Oldasrocks' wife as a witness), and have an outstanding work ethic. Your stereotype, Floridagirl is just as bad as his. Oh and I have lived in Missouri for a year before I moved back. I just prefer it here as there's just nowhere to eat good food in the cities I lived in. The bottom line is that people are people, no matter where you go... Except California. They're just weird...

Anyway, Diode. Your attack is, well, unnecessary.

I particularly enjoyed this comment:

Quote you area worthless human female piece of southern ****.


It must have taken you all day to think that well crafted drivel up. It is illuminating how your distaste for women shows though. Who are you to espouse Christian values and say something so off the wall sexist?

Have *YOU* checked the crime rate lately??? As a real live police officer I'm acutely aware that the crime rates in Northern cities is ten times what it is in Southern ones. The South is poorer, it is true, and their crimes are more petty thefts etc, while in Northern "Civilized" cities you have a victim culture that allows major crimes to go without resistance.

Further the utter lack of basic respect in Northern areas, particularly against women, which you've exemplified amazingly well, is at near epidemic levels.

And I'm sure she has a pretty good life. Last time I checked she's going to a very nice, well respected college. Can you say the same?

Floridagirl, don't reply to him please. All you'll do is feed his rage. Also there's that saying, "Give a fool enough rope..." Oh, and please, don't hijack this thread, I actually liked the way this thread was going before someone came around and spouted verbal garbage for their own little agenda... *COUGH* Diode *COUGH*
    
    
    
    
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The American Civil War is over.

I loved two Southern Belles - one from Texas who was killed in a plane crash and the other from Virginia - I let her go and broke her heart because I cared for her and knew we couldnt be together.

I am an Aussie and I have many relatives who went to the Southern States from Northern Ireland where my fathers people are.

The Southerns speak with a Northern Ireland accent.

Anyway - the topic of this thread is the US Dollar - lets talk about it folks.
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Originally posted by Turboguy1 Turboguy1 wrote:

Originally posted by Diode Diode wrote:

" "You are so full of Siht it is almost pathetic.    AAMOF,   you area worthless human female piece of southern ****.   Have you checked the crime rates lately ????   North versus dirty South ??Have you checked the criminal way of life the dirty south lives ???When you do check the facts let me know.......Get a life loser.........................

    
FIrst and foremost, I am not pasty, nor am I fat. I never wear socks with sandals... in fact I never wear sandals unless I'm on a ocean beach, and since there's not one here, I relegate them to patchouli smelling hippies. I'm a pretty decent looking guy, work out regularly (And I've got Oldasrocks' wife as a witness), and have an outstanding work ethic. Your stereotype, Floridagirl is just as bad as his. Oh and I have lived in Missouri for a year before I moved back. I just prefer it here as there's just nowhere to eat good food in the cities I lived in. The bottom line is that people are people, no matter where you go... Except California. They're just weird...

Anyway, Diode. Your attack is, well, unnecessary.

I particularly enjoyed this comment:

Quote you area worthless human female piece of southern ****.


It must have taken you all day to think that well crafted drivel up. It is illuminating how your distaste for women shows though. Who are you to espouse Christian values and say something so off the wall sexist?

Have *YOU* checked the crime rate lately??? As a real live police officer I'm acutely aware that the crime rates in Northern cities is ten times what it is in Southern ones. The South is poorer, it is true, and their crimes are more petty thefts etc, while in Northern "Civilized" cities you have a victim culture that allows major crimes to go without resistance.

Further the utter lack of basic respect in Northern areas, particularly against women, which you've exemplified amazingly well, is at near epidemic levels.

And I'm sure she has a pretty good life. Last time I checked she's going to a very nice, well respected college. Can you say the same?

Floridagirl, don't reply to him please. All you'll do is feed his rage. Also there's that saying, "Give a fool enough rope..." Oh, and please, don't hijack this thread, I actually liked the way this thread was going before someone came around and spouted verbal garbage for their own little agenda... *COUGH* Diode *COUGH*
    
    
    
    
 
I had to laugh about the crime rate comment, because I know (from being a gun person) that the (specifically, violent) crime rate in the north is much higher....most likely because many places in New England don't have concealed carry permits....etc.
 
And, I'm sorry to anyone I offended (turboguy...)for the northerner jokes . I get a little angry sometimes. It's hard to be a born and bred, sixth generation Floridian, love the little idiosyncracies about Florida, and watch it turn into one big disney world.... I was having a long over-due vent.
But, I will survive...one "If it's called tourist season, how come we can't shoot them" bumper sticker at a time.....lmao. And yes, this is the dirty dirty south.....Wink. Recognize.
 
And Kilt, without hijacking this thread, you are a smart man for going for southern women. We can cook, we have class, and we have that good southern hospitality. I also want to say that I always thought southern accents came from Ireland, and northern accents more from the english. It just made a lot of sense to me. I always wondered if that was true.
 
But, anyway...back to our despicable fiat currency that is probably literally worth no more than toilet paper.
 
What do you guys think of investing in palladium? I still feel gold and silver are the safest, but I've been hearing good things about palladium and platinum. Other than their obviously sky high prices, I guess they are used in technological applications. But, I realize that while tech industries may not always be active (or functioning), people will always be vain or get married, and jewelry/gold will always have a trading value.
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I've put some money in crude oil. Give me one hurricane or terrorist attack and my investment of money at nearly $65/barrel will make profit. It's easier money than I got when I bought property.

Speaking of oil, my father bought three barrels of #2 fuel oil for use in our garage heater. I found that this stuff is exactly diesel fuel and can be put in his diesel truck with little risk. I understand that this is considered to be tax evasion, but in an emergency like a pandemic, I don't think anyone's going to be coming to toss me in jail for putting it in a vehicle.

I *DO* like that whole castle doctrine law they've put into practice in Florida. I wish they'd institute it on a national level.
    
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Originally posted by Turboguy1 Turboguy1 wrote:

I've put some money in crude oil. Give me one hurricane or terrorist attack and my investment of money at nearly $65/barrel will make profit. It's easier money than I got when I bought property.

Speaking of oil, my father bought three barrels of #2 fuel oil for use in our garage heater. I found that this stuff is exactly diesel fuel and can be put in his diesel truck with little risk. I understand that this is considered to be tax evasion, but in an emergency like a pandemic, I don't think anyone's going to be coming to toss me in jail for putting it in a vehicle.

I *DO* like that whole castle doctrine law they've put into practice in Florida. I wish they'd institute it on a national level.
    
 
Yeah...it makes those "No Trespassing" signs a little more worth abiding by (kidding). In all honesty, it's a great policy. If someone came on my property with a weapon, trying to harm my family...it would be hard not to shoot them. Concealed carry laws, and the Castle doctrine are what help to keep our violent crime rates low. Down here, there's still the fear of tresspassing on the wrong dude's property, and getting shot.
Instituting it on a national level would be tough. There are all of these anti-gun (and anti-everything else, for that matter) zealots who think that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens will only lead to more crime (as if the gun grows legs, runs off, and shoots someone itself)...even to protect your home.
My fiance's mother is one of those people who seems to think nothing bad will ever happen to her, and if it does she'd rather "be shot than shoot someone else". *rolls eyes*. It's a lot of dramatic, self-righteous nonsense...but, I don't much care as long as it doesn't affect my right to tote a gun. If you outlaw guns, then only outlaws will carry them...so then, damnit...I'll be an outlaw.
 
And, the oil thing is funny. Down here they dye the industrial/farming diesel red, and occasionally (just every once in a while), you'll see a cop pulled over with a dipstick down in someone's tank, busting them for using it without paying road tax on it. That's what that #2 fuel reminds me of. The red diesel's like 1.50 a gallon, and many people would die to get fuel that cheap. And, really the only people who can get away with it are people who own industrial equipment companies, farms, etc. But, I've run into a few that run it.
But, turbo, you know you can use vegetable oil in a diesel, right? You'd have to flush the engine out first, but, if you add methoxide (methanol and lye) to it, and remove most of the glycerine, wash it, remove all of the water from it, and syphon it in, it will make your diesel purr. : ) In an emergency, it would be possible to use straight vegetable oil, but make sure the truck is running HOT before you put it in, otherwise the glycerine in the veggie oil will clog the engine.
It gets about the same MPG as regular petro diesel, and farmers/trucking industry has been using it for decades...
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Originally posted by floriduhgirl floriduhgirl wrote:

Yeah...it makes those "No Trespassing" signs a little more worth abiding by (kidding). In all honesty, it's a great policy. If someone came on my property with a weapon, trying to harm my family...it would be hard not to shoot them. Concealed carry laws, and the Castle doctrine are what help to keep our violent crime rates low. Down here, there's still the fear of tresspassing on the wrong dude's property, and getting shot.
Instituting it on a national level would be tough. There are all of these anti-gun (and anti-everything else, for that matter) zealots who think that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens will only lead to more crime (as if the gun grows legs, runs off, and shoots someone itself)...even to protect your home.
My fiance's mother is one of those people who seems to think nothing bad will ever happen to her, and if it does she'd rather "be shot than shoot someone else". *rolls eyes*. It's a lot of dramatic, self-righteous nonsense...but, I don't much care as long as it doesn't affect my right to tote a gun. If you outlaw guns, then only outlaws will carry them...so then, damnit...I'll be an outlaw.


OMFG! Marry me instead of him!!! You don't want to deal with his mom anyway! (Kidding)

Almost all line police officers are all for Castle doctrine laws. The politically appointed police chiefs may not be, but they've got to spout whatever liberal drivel their bosses want them to, to keep their jobs. When they instituted CCW in Florida the violent crime rate was halved. Then when they took those women and trained them all in the Dolphin's stadium in proper use of firearms and gave them all permit's to carry the rape rate was cut by two thirds. All police officers who are pro freedom know this one.

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And, the oil thing is funny. Down here they dye the industrial/farming diesel red, and occasionally (just every once in a while), you'll see a cop pulled over with a dipstick down in someone's tank, busting them for using it without paying road tax on it. That's what that #2 fuel reminds me of. The red diesel's like 1.50 a gallon, and many people would die to get fuel that cheap. And, really the only people who can get away with it are people who own industrial equipment companies, farms, etc. But, I've run into a few that run it.


It's all dyed red specifically because we'd all put that stuff in our diesel tanks if we got the chance. We're all supposed to look for it whenever we pull over a diesel vehicle, but I've only done it once when the driver of a big-rig was being a jerk. It's not my job to enforce the government's tax system.

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But, turbo, you know you can use vegetable oil in a diesel, right? You'd have to flush the engine out first, but, if you add methoxide (methanol and lye) to it, and remove most of the glycerine, wash it, remove all of the water from it, and syphon it in, it will make your diesel purr. : ) In an emergency, it would be possible to use straight vegetable oil, but make sure the truck is running HOT before you put it in, otherwise the glycerine in the veggie oil will clog the engine.
It gets about the same MPG as regular petro diesel, and farmers/trucking industry has been using it for decades...


I've seen some people doing that and thought it was pretty cool. It's funny when you pull over one of them because the car smells like French Fries. I'm always afraid that eventually someone will figure out how to Nitrate it into nitroglycerine, which is very easy to do.
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I went to Ireland and the accents are different every 5 miles but the Northern Ireland accent is the American accent - especially the Southern American accent.
 
Examples - Rang - for Ring. Far - for Fire. Fanger - for Finger. Then there are general expressions especially - That there and This here.
 
Hundreds of thousands of Northern Ireland Ulster Scots or Scotch Irish protestants went to Virginia, The Carolinas, Tennessee and Kentucky in the 1700s and it was these people who founded the United States and who gave you your accent and the music and Log Cabins.
 
The Ulster Scot of Northern Ireland and the Southern American are the same as far as I am concerned. So when I fell in love with Southern women I was falling in love with women from my own tribe that live in America.
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Kilt...

This is a bit extreme...


Topic: $US facing IMMINENT COLLAPSE


compared to this...


while the global economic outlook was quite positive,

large uncertainties surrounded it, Rob Vos, the Director of the Development Policy and Analysis Division of the Department of Economic and Social Affairs (DESA), told correspondents at a Headquarters press conference today.


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Robert Vos (Netherlands)

(He's no Einstein...)

Listen to him tell us what we already know... in UN Speak...Wacko

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Developing countries are catching up with the Industriialized world?

(he then goes on to contradict that)

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30 June 06

Press Conference: Mr. Rob Vos, Director for Policy and Analysis, Department of Economic and Social Affairs, will brief on "The World Economic and Social Survey"
[Webcast: Archived Video - 40 minutes]

http://www.un.org/webcast/pc2006.htm
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The UN is a ....club of sorts...

ps... try to find his educational credentials.

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Originally posted by Kilt Kilt wrote:

FloridaGurl
 
I went to Ireland and the accents are different every 5 miles but the Northern Ireland accent is the American accent - especially the Southern American accent.
 
Examples - Rang - for Ring. Far - for Fire. Fanger - for Finger. Then there are general expressions especially - That there and This here.
 
Hundreds of thousands of Northern Ireland Ulster Scots or Scotch Irish protestants went to Virginia, The Carolinas, Tennessee and Kentucky in the 1700s and it was these people who founded the United States and who gave you your accent and the music and Log Cabins.
 
The Ulster Scot of Northern Ireland and the Southern American are the same as far as I am concerned. So when I fell in love with Southern women I was falling in love with women from my own tribe that live in America.
Heh, I knew country music came from Irish music, for certain. And, now this whole bit makes a lot more sense.
Southern accents always had an uncanny similarity to Irish accents to me...
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