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Posted: July 11 2014 at 2:46pm |
US lab mixed up potent flu strainViles in a laboratory wait to be tested in College Park, Maryland on September 15, 2011 (AFP Photo/Saul Loeb) Washington (AFP) - A US government laboratory mistakenly mixed a common flu strain with a dangerous and deadly type of bird flu and shipped it to another lab, the Centers for Disease Control said Friday. The discovery came to light in recent days, and followed concerning reports about mishandled anthrax and forgotten smallpox vials at separate US government labs. No one was exposed to the mixed flu strain, said CDC director Tom Frieden. "These events should never have happened," said Frieden at a press briefing. He said the incidents raise "serious and troubling questions," and added: "Frankly, I'm angry about it." Frieden said he has issued a moratorium on the transfer of any biological samples, including infectious agents, within or outside the CDC until an investigation is complete. He also called for appropriate disciplinary action for any staff members who knowingly violated protocol or failed to report a lab incident. The CDC said it learned of the flu mix-up while it was finalizing a report about what happened with an anthrax incident on June 5, which it concluded was very unlikely to have exposed workers to dangers, though some 80 workers were initially considered vulnerable. "Earlier this year a culture of non-pathogenic avian influenza was unintentionally cross-contaminated at the CDC influenza laboratory with the highly pathogenic H5N1 strain of influenza and shipped to a BSL-3 select-agent laboratory operated by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA)," the CDC said in a statement. "There were no exposures as a result of that incident." The lab is closed until better safety measures can be put in place, and an investigation is under way. "For me personally, this is the most distressing," said Frieden, who said he learned of it 48 hours ago, though the mix-up happened six weeks ago. The H5N1 bird flu is highly contagious and has killed about 60 percent of humans who been sickened by it. It first infected humans in 1997 during a poultry outbreak in Hong Kong, and became widespread in 2003 and 2004. |
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what is the CDC hiding ??? CDC increases regulations after anthrax, smallpox scares |
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you REALLY do need to read this Threatened pandemics and laboratory escapes: Self-fulfilling prophecies |
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I can't believe how this is unraveling at the CDC! This is a great article:
"It's fortunate that these have not posed a real safety risk to either laboratory workers or the general public, but they could have," says Ron Atlas, who is with the American Society for Microbiology and is a professor at the University of Louisville. He says it's a stark reminder to lab workers everywhere that you can get lulled into a sense of complacency, even when working with dangerous materials. Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiologist at the Harvard School of Public Health, takes that concern one step further. "I don't think this is a CDC problem โ I think the CDC is being open about what has happened in several instances there," Lipsitch says. "But their own prior research has shown that around the country in high-containment laboratories there are errors on almost a weekly basis." Those apparently haven't ended up causing big problems, he says, in part because most of the microbes in question don't spread very easily. "The problem is that now people are starting do experiments with much more contagious pathogens, particularly making novel contagious strains of flu, and the human error factor can't be reduced," Lipsitch says. As a result, he and other scientists are calling for this type of research to be reined in. |
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Thanks, this is powerful stuff!! |
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CDC safety lapses shut 2 labs, stop shipments
Published July 11, 2014 Associated Press Facebook33 Twitter194 The Centers for Disease Control sign is seen at its main facility in Atlanta, Georgia June 20, 2014. (REUTERS/Tami Chappell) Citing a recurring problem with safety, U.S. officials have suspended the shipment of potentially dangerous germs from government laboratories in Atlanta to other labs. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention also shut down two of its laboratories where the recent safety lapses took place. One of the closed labs was involved an incident last month that could have accidentally exposed workers in three labs to anthrax. No one was reported ill. In an incident earlier this year, the CDC said another of its labs accidentally contaminated a sample of conventional flu virus with a deadly bird flu germ. That sample was then sent to another government lab. CDC Director Dr. Tom Frieden announced the actions Friday. |
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"And then there were none."
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Thanks, this is the after-action report by CDC, powerful stuff: While finalizing this report, CDC leadership was made aware that earlier this year a culture of non-pathogenic avian influenza was unintentionally cross-contaminated at the CDC influenza laboratory with the highly pathogenic H5N1 strain of influenza and shipped to a BSL-3 select-agent laboratory operated by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). There were no exposures as a result of that incident. The CDC influenza laboratory is now closed and will not reopen until adequate procedures are put in place. Further investigation, review, and action is underway. As a result of these two incidents, CDC is issuing, effective immediately, a moratorium on the movement (i.e., transfer inside or outside the agency) of biological materials (i.e., infectious agents, active or inactivated specimens) from BSL3 or BSL-4 facilities. The moratorium will remain in place pending review by an advisory committee. |
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"Unintentionally cross-contaminated" my arse! How do you do that without knowing exactly what you're doing? Probebly more like someone did some unauthorized experimenting and got caught. Which of course would be much more frightful.
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Ahhh ....takes me back to 2009 when Baxter Corp 'unintentionally' spiked the seasonal flu vaccine with live bird flu.
With this latest fiasco and the recent unethical behaviour of Professor Yoshihiro Kawaoka I do believe we are entering the final phase of demise for the human race ... our complacency and acceptance of dangerous practices will eventually kill us all. |
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rickster,
EXACTLY my thoughts. until folks grasp Agenda 21 and how the UN and Elite define their favorite term "sustainability", they will never understand what is really going on. The 'population bomb' is the biggest threat to the Elite control of the planet. These demographics are the MAIN reasons for all of the wars- not vice versa that because of wars there are less people afterwards. Resources and humans cant be controlled until there is 90% reduction of them |
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rickster58,there are some fringe groups that want the human race to be gone so everything can go back to Native Mother Earth. I wonder if any of these groups could be involved? I have watched them on talk shows a few times in the past and just thought that they were crazy and I still think that. But what if one of these groups are involved. I think that all of these groups are headquartered on the west of the US.but there are probably some people like this in other countries.Johnray1
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hobo,if they develop a vaccine or treatment for this and only the Elite get the vaccine or the treatment,then it will escape the lab.But they really missed with H5N1 and with H1N1. Although H1N1 did kill a few,both of these viruses failed in what they were designed for. This one might fall on its face also.Johnray1
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Charles Manson was, of course, accused and convicted of being the leader of one of these such west-coast groups -albeit by the district attorney who secured his conviction and then got rich off his book about it. Remember the 144,000 offspring of his followers to come out of the ground to rule the black world? Look where that went... Of course though Manson did influence and maybe even spawn folks such as Bill Ayers who are in the watch-pocket of the President. Maybe there is more to this than first meets the minds eye....
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I've been getting that feeling a lot lately. |
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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Are you really so naive? I said the UNITED NATIONS. AGENDA 21 and the RIO EARTH SUMMIT are merely the very recent implementations (meaning only the last 25 years' of updates). The Plan is a fully detailed NATO-EU-WHO pandemic coming our way. Via LONG TERM PLANNING--I mean DECADES-- going back to before the Club of Rome documents. In reality, the THREE WORLD WARS were first signed off on in 1871. Yes you heard that correctly. 150 years ago. So you can wee we are nearing the End Game (or End Times as the nutters like to say) The reduction of 90% requires GLOBAL coordination and agreement. Btw- there are no real 'mistakes'. Unless you still believe the non-existent WMDs was a 'mistake'. Brought to you by the same sponsors...
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Nothing is ever lost with the OverLords. Perhaps delayed. They learn from it all as a test case, and omit mistakes made in prior trial runs. They usually launch eventually, till they get it right.
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Iggi,you are 100% correct,but these guys who want to kill most of us,keep screwing it up.-----This latest virus that they made might do it,but they may turn it loose and it may not do anything.They are not very good at trying to kill us.They even sent what was suppose to be sterile vials of medium to Hungry,probably thinking the the Hungarians would not check to see if the vials were contaminated,but the Hungarian did check and found living H5N1 in all of the vials. If they had used the vials they would given thousands of people H5N1 and that would have probably been enough people for it to mutate a little and go human to human easily and I think that is what we had planned,but the top people screwed up again.Let's hope and pray that the people who are trying execute Agenda 21,keep screwing it up every time. Johnray1
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Maybe we can hope the coming pandemic will wipe out the idiots and leave the rest of us intact.
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Wishful thinking.... I know.
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Saskabush,I do not think that is wishful thinking. With the resources that the Elite have access to and they have already tried 2or 3 times that we know of and they failed each time. It would not surprise me if they did them selves in. I really do not have much respect for them as professional killers.------ There is some else that I have heard wispered from time to time and that is that AIDS was suppose to go aerosol and it never did and I did not believe that until I saw a picture of where the original HIV was supposedly isolated. The facility was in Africa,but what did not fit for me was that the US,the British and the French flags were flying over this compound and the compound did not look like a research facility,it looked like a combat base. The had 4 levels of physical security that any one would have had to go through to get into the facility including armed guards at each level. This level of security is only used at top secret bases.I do not know if they isolated HIV there or if they made HIV there. Johnray1
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Ok Johnray1
If that is what you believe. It is unlikely that anything anyone says will change your mind. If you run into problems there are people and organizations that can help if you reach out to them. All the best. |
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Saskabush,I think that you may need the help. I would still like to see any University complex that has the best people in every field in one place.Johnray1
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JohnRay, Saskabush is right that this University complex exists, he's just wrong about the location -- it's just north of you in Da Burgh!
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ViQueen24,thank you.Johnray1
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Nah, we're just dealing with narcissistic University research scientists who like to play God. You can think of it as the "Doctor Frankenstein complex." This Kawaoa guy is just in love with himself and his brilliance, and the CDC guys just screwed up. There is no global plot. There HAVE been some doomsday cult attacks, but those guys don't tend to do much large scale damage. Well, not yet, anyway! |
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CRS,DrPH,I believe everything that you said. But what if one of these groups broke into this University and stole this flu. They know where it is now.------ Also,since we have done this,I am sure that there are other countries that want to duplicate it.Johnray1
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look at that Sarin gas attack in Japan a few years ago.....
it just takes one NUTTER in a lab without the proper checks to well.... 12 MONKEYS, its as easy as that , we must prepare for a outbreak no matter what the source....... otherwise... you gone............ |
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some things are "accidental" some on purpose From 2004: โArmy Test in 1950 May Have Changed Microbial Ecologyโ |
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Stealing select agents or other materials is always a concern, and Universities are notoriously easy to get into & out of. Plus, you can always subvert a graduate student to work for you. The House Sub-Committee on Investigations is holding a hearing on the "Labs that couldn't shoot straight," here's an updated announcement (pretty amazing!) Also, the hearing is going to be webcast, you might just hear my "name" brought up regarding Prof. Kawaoka (I've been complaining to people in high places): |
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US anthrax investigation reveals bird flu mishap
Julie Steenhuysen in ChicagoA US government laboratory mistakenly mixed a common flu strain with a dangerous and deadly type of bird flu and shipped it to another lab, the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention says. The mistake came to light as federal health officials investigated the potential exposure of researchers to live anthrax bacteria. The centre said an internal investigation found multiple failures by individual scientists and a lack of agency-wide safety policies led to the potential exposure of more than 80 lab workers to live anthrax at its Atlanta campus last month. Researchers in a high-security bioterror lab sent samples of what they thought were inactivated bacteria to colleagues in a lower-security lab with fewer protections. Investigators also discovered the previously unreported incident: Workers at a separate high-security influenza lab sent samples containing a dangerous strain of bird flu to counterparts at the US Department of Agriculture in March. Mishandling avian flu could have far graver consequences than anthrax does, though no one has been found to have been infected in either case. The two incidents represent the latest in a series of breaches at the centre in the last decade that are drawing fresh scrutiny from Congress, including questions about the agency's ability to oversee potentially dangerous research. The centre said its findings provide a "wake-up call" to overhaul the standards governing experiments with deadly pathogens nationwide. Biosecurity has focused on "how to keep bad guys out of the lab," Michael Osterholm of the University of Minnesota and a member of the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity, which advises the federal government, said. "One of the critical issues we need to focus on is the good guys who just forget to do it safely." The Centres for Disease Control's director Dr Thomas Frieden called the bird flu incident "the most distressing," in part because it occurred six weeks ago but was not reported to senior agency leadership. "We need to look at our culture of safety throughout all of our laboratories," Dr Frieden said. "I'm upset, I'm angry. I've lost sleep over it and I'm doing everything I can to make sure it doesn't happen again." Outside experts agreed that shipping what the centre's scientists believed were samples of a fairly benign form of influenza but which were mixed with the highly pathogenic H5N1 bird flu was even more alarming than the anthrax incident. "The last place you want to be mixing up samples is in influenza," Mr Osterholm said. "The ability for that to jump from the lab bench to the community is substantially greater." H5N1, although highly lethal, is not easily transmitted from one infected person to another, which would limit its spread in case of a lab-acquired infection or an escape from a lab. Other scientists raised alarm over the the centre's disclosure that the same lab responsible for the anthrax incident had a similar lapse in 2006, when researchers transferred what they thought was inactivated bacteria to another facility. Reuters Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-anthrax-investigation-reveals-bird-flu-mishap-20140712-zt5gb.html#ixzz37jHPjNRC |
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U.S. CDC says it 'may never know' how bird flu mishap occurredCHICAGO (Reuters) - The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention "may never know" how a fairly harmless form of bird flu was cross-contaminated with a dangerous bird flu strain before it was sent to a laboratory outside of the CDC, an agency spokesman said on Monday. That's because most of the materials used in the experiment to culture the virus were discarded shortly after they were used by the scientists performing the work, which occurred in March, CDC spokesman Tom Skinner told Reuters. The CDC disclosed the bird flu incident as part of an internal investigation into the agency's mishandling of live anthrax in June, potentially exposing dozens of its own lab workers to the pathogen. While no humans fell ill as a result of the bird flu breach, CDC Director Dr Thomas Frieden has called it โthe most distressing" in a series of safety breaches at the agency because of the public risk posed by the virus. Researchers at a high-security CDC influenza lab learned of their mistake in May. The contaminated bird flu samples had been sent to poultry researchers at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, who noticed their chickens all died. It took another six weeks before the incident was reported to top brass at the CDC in early July, triggering an outside inspection of CDC labs that concluded on Friday. Federal investigators are trying to piece together how it was that the laboratory never reported the incident up the chain of command. Skinner said a key regulatory violation occurred when the CDC failed to properly document what it sent to the high-security biocontainment lab at the USDA. "We thought we were sending H9N2," a far less dangerous form of bird flu, Skinner said. "We didn't know it was cross-contaminated." Skinner said cross-contamination often can occur if improperly disinfected instruments come in contact with a growth medium, the material used to grow up the organisms, or if infected growth medium is inadvertently used. "The mediums and all of the materials that were used to grow up this particular virus - all of that material likely has been discarded. We may never know exactly how cross contamination occurred," he said. Skinner said outside investigators from the USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) concluded its investigation into the bird flu mishap on Friday. Frieden has pledged to make sweeping changes to improve safety measures at CDC labs handling dangerous bacteria and viruses. It has shut down the two labs involved in the anthrax and bird flu incidents and has suspended the transfer of samples from high-security labs until their safety procedures are reviewed. The agency is also assembling a group of outside experts to advise on biosafety. That panel could be announced later this week, Skinner said. (Reporting by Julie Steenhuysen; Editin |
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