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Elver
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Posted: May 28 2013 at 2:36pm |
This report by "Eurosurveillance" shows that if you've had your H1N1 vaccine in 2008, that you may be more susceptible to serious infection or death from H7N9.
Here's the article from Natural News explaining this.
Here's the Eurosurveillance article.
"At this stage, we should also stay open to the possibility that pre-existing cross-reactive antibodies may actually facilitate the viral infection process..."
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jacksdad
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Thanks for posting this, Elver - it makes for very interesting reading. So lifetime exposure to avian viruses could be the reason for elderly men being more susceptible to H7N9 because of pre-existing antibodies working against them? Interesting theory, and it would explain the demographic we've been seeing. I wonder if this will hold true if the virus becomes more efficiently H2H and begins to infect people with less poultry contact who've previously been vaccinated to seasonal flu and H1N1. It hasn't yet made it out of China and Taiwan to populations with limited exposure to live or freshly killed poultry, so it'll be interesting to see if it changes it's behavior should it move into different socio-economic areas like western Europe and the US.
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This the transcript of the first article Elver provided a link to,
"Hundreds of people infected with H7N9 as virus continues to spread - Is a real flu pandemic on the horizon?by Jonathan Benson, staff writer(NaturalNews) The ongoing spread of H7N9 avian flu across Asia could be much more serious than the mainstream media is currently leading on, as some reports now suggest that the actual number of infections and deaths may be at least double what is being reported. Researchers from the University of Hong Kong (UHK) say there could already be as many as 120 adults with H7N9 that are flying under the radar due to milder infections that have not yet been detected. As of last month, the World Health Organization (WHO) is reporting 109 confirmed cases of H7N9 infection and 22 deaths from the disease. The majority of infections have thus far emerged in Zhejiang, Shanghai, and Jiangsu, but the first confirmed case of H7N9 outside of China was recently identified in nearby Taiwan. And according to reports, the condition is striking primarily elderly males, with younger populations less susceptible to infection. But if you add another 120 mild cases of H7N9 to the mix, the overall number of infected individuals more than doubles to 229 cases. According to Benjamin Cowling, an associate professor at UHK's Public Health Research Center, this figure is likely more accurate than the official one, and there could even potentially be many more infections that have yet to emerge and be reported. "One thing that is very striking is the age distribution of the cases," says Cowling, as quoted by Bloomberg.com. "They're very different from the confirmed infections of H5N1," he adds, noting that H5N1 has mostly afflicted younger people in their 20s and 30s. You can monitor the spread of H7N9 using Bloomberg's graphic tracking module: http://www.bloomberg.com/infographics/2013-04-18/h7n9-bird-flu.html People vaccinated with seasonal, H1N1 flu vaccines more susceptible to serious H7N9 infectionWith a current mortality rate of about 20 percent, H7N9 appears to be a particularly virulent flu that many health experts are concerned may lead to a pandemic. The infamous 1918 Spanish Flu, according to The New Yorker, is estimated to have killed as many as 100 million people worldwide in three deadly waves, and it only had a roughly two-percent mortality rate."It could be that hundreds of other people have mild infections" with H7N9, says Tom Frieden, Director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), confirmed the UHK researchers' assessment of the situation. But what is even more disturbing is the fact that people who have already been vaccinated for seasonal flu or H1N1 swine flu may be more susceptible to serious infection or death from H7N9, should they contract it, compared to those who have not been vaccinated. A paper recently published in the journal Eurosurveillance explains that flu vaccines can prevent neutralizing antibodies from recognizing new pathogens, resulting in weakened immunity and higher susceptibility to more serious infection. "Sometimes - and for reasons that aren't well understood - an earlier viral infection can set the host up for a more serious infection when exposed at a later date to a similar virus," explains the paper. "The problem usually comes later, when a person is infected with a different serotype," it adds, referring to closely-related, yet distinct, viruses that can cause more serious infection down the road. What this means, of course, is that all those people who rushed to their local flu clinics to get jabbed for H1N1 swine flu back in 2008 and following could be the ones most seriously affected by H7N9, should it spread globally." |
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WildKarma
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So basically, it isn't specific to the H1N1 vaccine but whether an accumulated exposure to flu viruses poses an increased risk. In theory, repetitive flu vaccinations would do that because you are guaranteed to be exposed to more than if you just chanced it without. Interesting and I do wonder the same as Jacksdad...what will happen if H7N9 moves into populations that do not have the same exposure to avian influenzas
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Turboguy
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Wouldn't this work the same way if you'd gotten the *ACTUAL* flu these times too?
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jacksdad
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Reads that way to me.
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Sam237
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I didn't get vaccinated as I was infected prior to the release of the vaccine.
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There was another article Elver posted stating that if you had the actual h1n1 flu you had a type of super immunity to flues. It did not say if the vaccine would cause that these articles now seem to debunk that or maybe all three are speculative. I recall the great debate over whether or not to take that vaccine, many claimed it was going to set us up for even worse sickness like injecting a ticking time bomb of sorts. Sure hope those conspiracy theorists were not correct back then. Or the most vulnerable will have a rough time, as they gave the vaccine out at first based on certain criteria if you recall, then it was also part of the flu shot the following year. This will be important info, bc all those vaccinated before should in theory be vaccinated first then. However if taking one vaccine that was supposed to protect them ended up causing more death, I would imagine it may be a hard sell to get people to take yet another. Not good news but a good find, at least those of us who were vaccinated can try to protect ourselves in other ways.
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Jen147
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darned if you do, darned if you don't
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