What�s your survival time frame?

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   I'm now expecting it ti be "H2H" plus 36 months at least before things are back to anywhere near normal.  Restart and repair of the damage done to the system is going to be as dangerous as the AF it's self and in many ways harder on us.  I see lots of food plans and some survivalist stuff but I'd like to see more people looking and talking about keeping life going and bring back civilization.  Water and power seem to be two things that get short term planing where long term planing is needed.  Can't see storing enough water for 3 years nor having enough batteries to run anything but flash lights for that long.  Thinking renewable and creatable resources is something we need to do! 

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corky52 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: January 20 2006 Status: Offline Points: 168	Post Options Post Reply Quote corky52 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: What�s your survival time frame? Posted: February 10 2006 at 8:21pm
	I'm now expecting it ti be "H2H" plus 36 months at least before things are back to anywhere near normal. Restart and repair of the damage done to the system is going to be as dangerous as the AF it's self and in many ways harder on us. I see lots of food plans and some survivalist stuff but I'd like to see more people looking and talking about keeping life going and bring back civilization. Water and power seem to be two things that get short term planing where long term planing is needed. Can't see storing enough water for 3 years nor having enough batteries to run anything but flash lights for that long. Thinking renewable and creatable resources is something we need to do! Edited by corky52

elbows Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: February 06 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 339	Post Options Post Reply Quote elbows Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2006 at 8:30pm
	I cant bring myself to estimate until we know what the actual infection & death rate turns out to be, how many waves, age ranges most affected etc. Im in no position to get enough supplies etc to last years, I doubt I can even seal myself off for the length of a wave that may last a few months. Most of my preparation has been mental, and educational. Im not going to go out of my way to get flu but I am not antipicating that I can dodge it. Even if I upped preparations to the maximum, my location means that my future during and after the pandemic is massively linked to the other people around me, how the UK government responds etc. Thats how it is for me anyway, Im not recommending this for anyone else. Though looking on the bright side if I get pandemic flu and survive, I guess I'll have some immunity, the basic H5N1 will be known to by body, so even if it drifts then it wont be such a shock to the system the 2nd time around. If that is actually how this stuff works, then I would be free to try to help other people after I recovered, without so much fear over personal health? Edited by elbows

corky52 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: January 20 2006 Status: Offline Points: 168	Post Options Post Reply Quote corky52 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2006 at 8:39pm
	elbows, Well said! My point is that many of us will be without and by looking now may be able to make changes that will work for us in the long term and might even allow the helping of others. Simple insight as an example. I've gotten a long extension cord that I plan to run to a post in the front yard near the sidewalk, It will allow the less well equipped neighbors to charge things up. I opted for a solar system just because it will keep working after gas is hard to get, I got it over sized for my needs because the extra cost was small, I'll try to share and help others because that's what people should do.

elbows Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: February 06 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 339	Post Options Post Reply Quote elbows Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2006 at 8:51pm
	Cool :) My practical skills are largely restricted to computer nerd stuff, so Ive been wondering what use that can be. An obvious one is to help my place of work to enable some more people to work from home, in case that option is needed. But its a relatively small company and I cant get them to take the issue very seriously, so its not gonna end up happening before a pandemic emerges. It may then be that my superiors decide they would like me to set some stuff up, and I will have to take a personal risk that could have been avoided, traveling to various locations and/or interacting with many people. I do wonder if, in the wider concept of the survivalist mentality, there is actually a sort of positive side that people can get sort of romantic and excited about.Maybe the world has got more claustrophobic since all the frontiers of the planet were gone, so anybody who loves the idea of sort of starting again has only got very gloomy scenarios to look to to provide a launching platform for this rebirth. Can you tell I dont spend my time in threads about looting? ;) I suppose its a distinct possibility those 'every man for himself' scenarios will happen in some places, but the one thing more horrific to me than a pandemic itself is mankind behaving at its worst, so I choose to focus my positive side on what good humans will do for eachother to support eachother through grim times.

CountryGirl Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Valued Member Joined: February 03 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 30	Post Options Post Reply Quote CountryGirl Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2006 at 8:53pm
	Corky52, your comment just brightened my day from all the doom and gloom, thanks I love that idea. I am trying to prep for a year but I actually think it will be until a vaccine is made and in enough quantity to protect people. I have high hopes on the genetically engineered versions that can be much faster than the old way with eggs. I think I'll still wait a while to make sure of it's success rate before deciding it is over. I actually looked at the red cross site today to see if they were training for BF volunteers. I think there will be times between major outbreaks that would be semi-safe with proper PPE to help some. I still haven't decided, if it was just me I would in a heartbeat but I can't expose my kids. There wasn't anything listed in my area anyway.
	Country Girl

corky52 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: January 20 2006 Status: Offline Points: 168	Post Options Post Reply Quote corky52 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2006 at 9:33pm
	elbows, Maybe a WiFi Hub, some WiFi cards and USB WiFi stuff to give out to your neighbors, communications and information is IMPORTANT! If you get a little money ahead maybe a good investment for you might be a Sat Internet rig and sharing that service with others. Internet Sat service could be maintained with a small solar setup, a couple of batteries and a small inverter. Think of the look on the face of someone who has just managed to re-establish communications with lost family, that's worth doing!

stardust Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: January 21 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 224	Post Options Post Reply Quote stardust Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 11 2006 at 6:49am
	I believe that most people are decent, hardworking, caring individuals. I have to stay away from watching the news sometimes to give myself a reality check on that. What I have noticed is during a crisis, most people do have a tendency to want to help each other. This will be a time when people will be very resourceful. We won't have the usual distractions, for lack of a different word. With the fear factor alone people will want to be able to communicate with one another. The risk of infection will hamper that of course. I think that it will take a significant amount of time to recover on all levels yet our priorities will change drastically. There will be more of a focus on being able to obtain what we need. The wants will go by the wayside. Our salvation will rest on the majority of individuals coming together and helping anyway they can. Everyone has unique talents that they can bring. My concern right now is that not enough people will be prepared with just the basics. Hopefully that will change significantly as this moves closer.
	"Prepping is Power"!

stardust Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: January 21 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 224	Post Options Post Reply Quote stardust Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 11 2006 at 6:55am
	OOPS! I forgot to address the question? My survival time frame? Actually, I have no idea. I'm prepping for a years worth.
	"Prepping is Power"!

RicheeRich Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Valued Member Joined: February 08 2006 Status: Offline Points: 203	Post Options Post Reply Quote RicheeRich Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 11 2006 at 7:09am
	I think we could see a couple of years of bird-to-bird and bird-to-human. The human-to-human transmission will overlap and possibly extend longer, with a total of 3 years, or so for the whole thing. I don't think we need to home shelter for the entire event, mostly for human-to-human transmission in our areas. Eventually it will decrease, with survivors having an immunity to the particular strain. I am planning on watching for first BF in the U.S., which will trigger me to begin the next phase of my plan. The first case in my state, and I turn it up a notch, and the first case (bird or human) in any one of 6 particular counties, and I give my boss the bad news, thus beginning my first serious shelter period (never leaving the house) After that, I will have to play it by ear a bit, watch and see how the whole thing shakes out.

KOMET163 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: January 15 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 278	Post Options Post Reply Quote KOMET163 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 11 2006 at 10:02am
	WE will make it thru this as long as 90 - 120 days. we don't have a massive amount of money. we do have the willpower to live and the hope of a brighter future. We are going to have to go to sam's and buy some more rice and beans. we can buy the bags. asap and we will have fuel. so, it is really important to get more ammo. KOMet

Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 11 2006 at 10:05am
	Don't expect to see a Sichuan Sheet (The Killing Machine) pandemic until it mutates to easier human to human transmission. It is not there yet, but it is close. We are a few more months away.

cisco Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Valued Member Joined: February 06 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 57	Post Options Post Reply Quote cisco Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 11 2006 at 11:06am
	thanks, joe: more time to prepare! cisco
	let's hang tight, tough, and together!

Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 11 2006 at 11:32am
	I am planning on ten months of food plus seeds for gardening I have solar power . I am hoping this lasts no longer then ten months How long did 1918 last in total when did they realize it was over

Kumera Kid Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: February 11 2006 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 33	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kumera Kid Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 11 2006 at 11:35am
	Hi Guys I'm a lurker whose just come in from the cold and this is my first post. Corky52 is right on the button. hope will overcome dispare and good will overcome evil. At the end of this thing those of us who survive will still need to live with ourselves and the small things Corky is planning will have a significant impact on the lives of some others during what will probably be the the most terrible time of our age. I applaud Corke's attitude!

Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 11 2006 at 11:42am
	Welcome into the sunshine Kid! I look forward to your contributions. SZ

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	I still have little preps -why. I am a g8 believer in the stupidity of the british public. Whilst everyone else is trying to clear the shelves in wallmart and tesco`s of frozen pizza and burgers I believe i have ample time to get some sacks of potatoes from my local farm shop, sacks of flour and rice from the indian wholesale ext ext. Electricity wont be here for long so my freezer wont be much good, although I have a small generator. Logs for heating and cooking - Its back to basics, matches candles ext but to avoid the flu is pointless were all gone get it sooner or later so i shall not hide away. just observe good hygene were a mask and carry on as best we can. Ok if you hide for a year you could be lucky but then you will have no imunity and it will get you next flu sesson. the spannish flu circuled for years in some form or another. I think our best hope is limited exposure. Just my crazy opinon...

Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 11 2006 at 1:37pm
	PS. Water Avalible from most fresh water streams - see a map for your nearest water hole. Dont poison yourself with 6 month old stored water. whilst on the subject anyone have any ideas on distilling sea water to remove salt ext.. not sure how possible it is..

Kumera Kid Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: February 11 2006 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 33	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kumera Kid Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 11 2006 at 8:14pm
	Real easy using solar energy; but slow. have a look at some of the solar cooing sites on the web. All you need is some sun, a sheet of clear plastic, a rock, a container with a large surface area, a kid's paddling pool would be perfect, and a container to collect the distilled water in. Put your sea water in the pool say 150mm deep. Place your collection vessel in the middle of the pool, may need something heavy in it to stop it floating round.Cover the pool with the clear plastic and place the rock over the collection vessel so the condensation that forms will run down to the low point in the cover and drip into the collection vessel. Pure clean water is the end result. This will work with any water or vegitation, but it's slow.

Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 11 2006 at 8:24pm
	Kid.... that's wonderful!!!!! I did one with a fish tank, but I LOVE the kiddie pool. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. Debi

Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 12 2006 at 4:09am
	Southerngetuk, re: salt water There are two basic ways to make fresh water out of salt water. 1. Reverse osmosis. Boaters use this a lot, although it is expensive. Saltwater is forced thru a special membrane that allows water molecules to pass thru it, but not the salt. There are a number of these units available, and the prices range from $600 for a manual (hand crank) model up to thousands for battery or engine powered units. Katadyn-06 Manual Desalinator approx $600 produces roughtly 2 pints an hour Katadyn-36 manual Desalinator approx $1400 produces roughly 1.2 gals an hour Katadyn-40e electric (combo 12 volt/manual) Desalinator produces roughly 1.5 gals an hour drawing 4amps These units are used on small cruising boats and are often found in life rafts. Downsides. Expensive Low output. Filters do get clogged and are expensive to replace. Sediment found close to shore, in harbors, etc. tend to clog filters faster than water found in open ocean. More expensive engine run systems run thousands more, but can produce 20,40, 100 gals an hour. Big commerical ships can run even bigger units. Very big bucks, tho. 2. Boiling and capturing/condensing steam. Energy intensive, but easy to do. If you have a heat source, a containment vessel, and some copper tubing, you're in business. Added bonus, left over salt. Simplest method is a teakettle with a coil of copper tubing. Basically, a miniature still.