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inconvenient truth for you crabby

Hillary was the peoples real choice in this election

she won the popular vote

MORE people wanted her in the White House

unfortunately the electoral college system deprived the citizens of this country their REAL choice

Trump took advantage of the "RIGGED SYSTEM" to scheme his way into the White House
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Donald Trump did not "scheme" his way into the white house. He simply ran for president like all the other candidates and nothing more. Unless they do away with the electoral college we're stuck with it, like it or not. You cannot pick and choose which elections to complain about it.

I blame Hillary Clinton for the gutter sniping that she did throughout her campaign by trying to convince the "uneducated" that Donald Trump shouldn't have his finger on the "button". That's utter nonsense and meant to create fear in some people. I hope that Hillary crawls right back under whatever rock she came out of and that her communist influence peddling is over. In fact I think that Hillary would be happiest living in places like China, Cuba, or North Korea. Then she wouldn't have to try so hard to create Communism here.

I was not happy with the selection of Obama as our president for the past 8 years, but I lived with it, so Hillary's follower's will simply have to do the same, assuming that their adult enough to live with that decision. If they choose to move to Canada, then hopefully they'll stay there and not vote in our next election. Good riddance!

Research Saul Alinsky so you can find out who the real Hillary Clinton is. The first thing they want to do is to control healthcare (DONE!). Then they try to increase poverty (DONE!), then increase the national debt (DONE!), bring in gun control (which she's openly spoken of doing), among other things such as influencing the education of our children (IN PROGRESS). Another agenda item is the removal of God from education. Obama has had great influence on the military in trying to remove the word "God" and "Christmas".

If anyone here truly believes that having a Communist as our president then I invite them to move to a communist country instead of trying to change ours.

I noticed that some people here are from Scotland, Australia, and New Zealand. They have communist parties in every one of those countries also, so beware of some peoples' opinions here.

Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama are cut from the same communist thinking of Saul Alinsky. They truly did want to CHANGE AMERICA to communism. Hillary interviewed Saul Alinsky for her master's thesis and Obama followed Alinsky's methods in his early days as a Chicago community organizer. I sincerely hope that we're done with the two of them, but I suspect that they'll both be a thorn in our side for years to come.
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Crabby, I agree with you 100%! I Thank God and the American People for electing Trump President and keeping Hillary out of the White House!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=404bfK3SUF4 20% of clinton-campain funding came from Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The US-link with IS-funding countries is a major global problem, maybe Trump will end that. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipw3PpIX-SY Trump is the outcome of a proces, just like in Europe, large groups of people do not feel represented. Democracy has to renew itself in the internet-era; the other side of the coin is a "totalitarian democracy" in wich people are government traced 24/7 via the internet. 
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CRS,PhD, What do you think that the FBI would have found on the website of a sexual predictor that would concern the  Clinton s and their visits to an island where the owner is known to keep under age girls for sex.? They have both visited there many times. Could they both be guilty of child abuse? Johnray1
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Russia Was in Contact With Trump’s People During the Campaign

well my my my
ain't thsi something?


for months Trump himself has STRONGLY denied any connections or even contact with any Russians
seems it ain't so

Russia Was in Contact With Trump’s People During the Campaign

http://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2016/11/10/russia-contact-trumps-people-campaign/

seems the deception has started and he's not even picked out the carpet for the Oval Office yet

ever heard that saying

"meet the new boss SAME as the old boss"

Trump is learning politics REAL fast
he better drain the swamp as he has said
before he becomes one of the swamp dwellers himself

I'd like to give him a chance
but its not looking good is it?


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Tom Brady Says Gisele Bundchen Told Him To Shut Up About Politics


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tom-brady-gisele-b%C3%BCndchen-politics_us_58244a64e4b0e80b02cedd9c


good advice

I'm going to take it


now I'm off to the mountains to enjoy the fall foliage for a week or soHug


everyone have a great week endThumbs Up


my final word on politics

God bless President Trump

I truly and sincerely hope that is the change that we so desperately need


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Without delving into my personal opinion of Trump, one of my biggest concerns is that he makes good on his promise to either pull out of NATO, or refuses to help a NATO country that hasn't contributed their full 2%. Potentially Putin could well view statements like that as an open invitation to walk across neighboring borders unchallenged, knowing the US military will sit back and let it happen based on one person's skewed business ethics. In much the same way he'd stiff a contractor working on one of his casinos, he'd let an entire country be swallowed up by Russia on purely economic grounds - ironic for a man who's based his empire on not paying his share.
Dubya worried me, but this guy has political Tourettes syndrome, little or no understanding of the world at large, and a worsening case of megalomania. And we just gave him control of the entire US military and the launch codes...


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Reality 12:15 p.m. EST U.S.
Sharing this with you - my friends.  The President Barack Obama and President Elect Donald Trump have been meeting for almost 2 hours.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx_aRBy9L8s


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Originally posted by Johnray1 Johnray1 wrote:

CRS,PhD, What do you think that the FBI would have found on the website of a sexual predictor that would concern the  Clinton s and their visits to an island where the owner is known to keep under age girls for sex.? They have both visited there many times. Could they both be guilty of child abuse? Johnray1

Thanks, Johnray1!  You mean the "Lolita express" issue?


Both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump were implicated in this.  Hillary, not so much.


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after Mr Trump has a meeting with Mr Obama and the secret service, and he finds out all there is to know,

NOTHING WILL CHANGE,for the poor and middle classes,

he will be sucked into the "establishment" anyone who thinks otherwise is very NAIVE,

i think in America you are still suffering the OUTRAGE of the 

GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS

which was bought about by GREEDY  REAL ESTATE AGENTS AND BANKERS.....

these people ROBBED the American people  of  BILLIONS and caused Great hardship world wide 

now you have elected a Estate Agent as your "LEADER"

 i hope for all our sakes you GOT IT RIGHT

for now you MUST ALL pull together,

the proof of the Pudding......

PS Crabby ,pls dont go on about certain races you dont know what race i am or my wife or my Kids in law are, i will say our family is Mixed race , and we have good friends that are  LGBTQI, a fact of which makes me ...

PROUD TO BE AUSTRALIAN....and not a Bigot....




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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

after Mr Trump has a meeting with Mr Obama and the secret service, and he finds out all there is to know,

NOTHING WILL CHANGE,for the poor and middle classes,

he will be sucked into the "establishment" anyone who thinks otherwise is very NAIVE,

i think in America you are still suffering the OUTRAGE of the 

GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS

which was bought about by GREEDY  REAL ESTATE AGENTS AND BANKERS.....

these people ROBBED the American people  of  BILLIONS and caused Great hardship world wide 

now you have elected a Estate Agent as your "LEADER"

 i hope for all our sakes you GOT IT RIGHT

for now you MUST ALL pull together,

the proof of the Pudding......

PS Crabby ,pls dont go on about certain races you dont know what race i am or my wife or my Kids in law are, i will say our family is Mixed race , and we have good friends that are  LGBTQI, a fact of which makes me ...

PROUD TO BE AUSTRALIAN....and not a Bigot....



I think something will change.  By having someone in office who is not part of the inner circle and has been there for decades, perhaps even other world leaders will try to deal with this on a real level and finally there will be better agreements and a much less chance of a nuclear war.  The focus is not on the LGBT when in terms of America we have huge economic, energy, and immigration issues which will effect all of us and could threaten the survival of our country.

I am proud to be an American and looking forward with a positive attitude and anticipating a change for the better. 

If we strengthen our industry and bring manufacturing home to the U.S. instead of taking all the jobs to other countries, it will benefit the poor and the middle class. All of us, independent of sexual preference, race, or wealth deserve equal treatment and opportunity. No group should be singled out for special treatment.

A person should not be elected to political office based on gender or race. The current policies and leadership have proved to be ineffective in solving our problems. It was time for a change and now there has been.   

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It's interesting that with both the Brexit vote (in Britain) and the US election, the people have spoken out against the status quo. I think it's been a real shock to the establishment who just hadn't fully realised the level of disillusionment that the working classes felt. 

It's long been noted that the financial middle classes are being eroded, and more and more decent, hardworking people are finding themselves getting closer to the poverty line through no fault of their own. 

Perhaps Trump will change that. At the very least we can agree that Clinton wouldn't even have tried to change that as she very much represented the established system. 

The big problem comes with the fundamental laws of economics, which even Trump can't alter. The bottom line is that all business systems were based on exponential growth, and that no longer happens. All debt is based on the promise of future earnings and since growth as slowed to a snails pace, those earnings will never materialise. 

The only possible solution to helping out the impoverished members of a society is to pay them more per hours BUT NOT put up the cost of living. At the same time, you have to tax them less. This will put more money in their pockets, and make things more affordable. 

If you do this, there will be a huge shortfall in the tax revenue the government collects, so at the same time you have to tax the rich more. It's as simple as that. 

Can anyone seriously imagine Trump (or Clinton) agreeing to increase taxes for the rich? Not in a million years. So no matter what smoke and mirrors they use, the system will not change, and the poor and middle classes will get poorer and the rich richer. 
Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

PS Crabby ,pls dont go on about certain races you dont know what race i am or my wife or my Kids in law are, i will say our family is Mixed race , and we have good friends that are LGBTQI, a fact of which makes me ...

PROUD TO BE AUSTRALIAN....and not a Bigot....






I don't care about your race or your sexual orientation just as long as you don't throw your attitude in my face regarding any chip that you might have on your shoulder because you're unhappy with who you are as a person. I can deal with just about anyone as long as they don't come at me with preconceived ideas based on their own prejudicial biases. I've admitted the fact that I've become biased ONLY because I've dealt with other peoples' bias related attitudes for too long. (Pavlov's dog)

Regarding LGBTQ, I don't understand it or want to understand it. I'm tired of Hollywood cramming their lifestyle down our throats. There are only about 3.8% of people (possibly slightly higher) who identify as LGBTQ in the U.S. As long as people keep their sex lives private I'm good with that.

With regards to our recent election, it is what it is, so move on if you don't agree with the results.
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Trump tries to drain the swamp, but the swamp fights back....


His bromance with Putin isn't helping him....
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I have no doubt that Donald Trump will be able to fill any vacancy that he's hiring for. After all, it is the "presidency" and people trip over themselves and screw other people all the time just to get a promotion in corporate America. That's a BS article.
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Thanks for sharing, Chuck. Interesting article.


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Trump won because he is King of Achievers. He won because the only thing he is terrible at is loosing. It was his destiny all along. This is not to say he is not without faults... He is not a God of Flawlessness. But he is the Houdini of Success. There is an apt purpose behind everything he does. To proudly place his youngest prominently beside himself during victory speech is telling to winning the future long after he is gone. America loves Dynasties. He won because he deserved to win. He won because he earned it. He won because he knew he could not loose and he won because I, and NCgirl and FluMom and others here and tens of millions of other Americans knew this as well. Like him or not, he has already made America a little Greater. -Oneflu
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Originally posted by Crabby Crabby wrote:

I have no doubt that Donald Trump will be able to fill any vacancy that he's hiring for. After all, it is the "presidency" and people trip over themselves and screw other people all the time just to get a promotion in corporate America. That's a BS article.

Background....I've served as an advisor to one Republican Congressman, one Republican Governor, one Republican Senator and worked on one Republican Presidential campaign.  I am presently a subject matter expert on bioterrorism to the FBI. 

Trump made a lot of enemies, and he is not trusted by the US intelligence agencies.  

He will easily be able to fill positions with sycophants, unqualified applicants and others.  I don't believe that keeps us safe. 

Remember, he praised Putin as a "stronger leader" than Obama.  Russia's hacking of the US government and industry is costing the economy billions, and putting our military in harm's way all over the world.  

The guy is a disaster.  After he takes office, he will be challenged by Russia, China, North Korea, Iran and other military powers.  I would not be surprised to see the Russians move into Ukraine with military forces (thank you, Manafort), Iran move forcefully against Israel etc.  It's happened before, and Trump will be clueless how to respond.  

Maybe Ivanka will be Sec Defense and make things right. 
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CRS, DrPH said - Maybe Ivanka will be Sec Defense and make things right.

Buy more ammo!
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Thanks for the insight, Chuck.

Oneflu - Trump won because he's King of the self-promoters. Now we get to see if he can follow through on the promises he finally settled on (after repeated about-faces on the campaign trail).

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LGBTQI.....

about 40 years ago i read an atricle in a science magazine about the aligators/fish in the USA that

 becauseof pollution from chemicals they did not develop in the correct way ,

they were neither one gender or the other.....

sound Familiar........

reap what you sow.......


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Stevie Wonder You Haven't Done Nothin' YouTube...............

Steve got it right many many years ago.......they still wont do what they say 

because when they get the full picture they  cant change it.....

CLIMATE CHANGE is changing the planet 

NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME AS IT WAS ......


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I didn't like the outcome of the last 2 elections when the Muslim in Chief got elected, but I never went on like the lot of you guys. OMG! One would think that the end is near.

You're all a bunch of spoiled little babies who didn't get your way in this election.

It is what it is at this point and we have to at least give Mr. Trump a chance. He might surprise all of us. On the other hand I might even be disappointed in him. It is way to early for all this moaning and groaning.

Some of you on this forum are too full of yourselves. Grow up!

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Originally posted by Crabby Crabby wrote:

I didn't like the outcome of the last 2 elections when the Muslim in Chief got elected, but I never went on like the lot of you guys. OMG! One would think that the end is near.

You're all a bunch of spoiled little babies who didn't get your way in this election.

It is what it is at this point and we have to at least give Mr. Trump a chance. He might surprise all of us. On the other hand I might even be disappointed in him. It is way to early for all this moaning and groaning.

Some of you on this forum are too full of yourselves. Grow up!


Take a hike.  I was working on bioterrorism agents back in the Soviet Union days, and I have been to numerous Communist countries (including Romania under Ceausescu, Czechoslovakia under Husak, and Ukraine under Breznev), so I know a bit about how government security works. 

Trump is in far over his head, wait and see.  Putin will own him.  And I doubt that Sec Defense Ivanka will do much good.  http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-team-rivals-231277


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Watching from outside America the propaganda is different: not less just different.  So I watch Russia today, Al Jazeera, Sky, CNN, Fox and my country's own news channel the BBC.  Hopefully that gives me a slightly more balanced view.  At least I have a fuller set of information to chose from.

There is certainly corruption on the Democrat side.
Calm down Trumpets, its on the Republican side too.
In fact it is so entrenched everywhere (over here also) that you could say it is adopted as a necessity/balance by either side.

I am certain that Hilary's team would have done nothing substantial to help the working man.  The purpose of the campaign was to get into power.
For all his promises, and the fact that his hands are less tied with Republicans controlling all three houses, Trump's proposed plans are hopelessly impossible as well.  In fact his figures do not add up at all.  So either he was naive or dishonest.  

Unemployment, trade deficit, medical costs, wages, and the economics of the country will change a soupcon, so which side won is almost irrelevant.

As regards Syria, from their viewpoint, Trump is probably very good news.  He will not oppose Russia, which means Assad's forces will win.  Assad may be a monster, but he is still better than the alternative.  Frankly, it is most important of all that someone, ANYONE, wins so the conflict will end.  (Now, Russia only backed Assad to play chicken with the US.  Putin sees everything is terms of who has the stronger approach - its all about being seen to be the boss - which keeps him in power.  He will see this as capitulation and think he is the boss across your side of the pond now.  But it is still very good news for the oppressed Syrians - now the end of the bombings is in sight.)

BUT, AND IT IS A BIG BUT, Trump's grasp of science is rudimentary, his understanding of the mechanics of politics and international relations is sketchy at best and he has a belligerent approach to opponents which will make no international friends.  The intelligent and educated politicians in the countries he deals with will also remember when he changes his story.  Just watch the fireworks start!!!

God help us that this man's hand is on the nuclear button!  You just loaded the loose cannon, and with all three houses in his pocket, you doubled the gunpowder charge too.



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His lips or pen are moving.
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Look, I and conservatives were not happy when Obama became president but NO one created a riot or blocked traffic on highways. We have liberals who can not graciously accept President elect Trump as conservatives did in 2008 or 2012.

As a person in education (mostly liberals) we have taught our children that they will never lose. All get ribbons or trophies even if they lose at any contest. These mostly young people protesting do not know how to lose a contest so they think that if they stomp their feet they will get what they want. Life does not work that way!

Look Trump has children and grand children he is not going to press the nuclear button you are all hysterical for no reason!

Give Trump the same respect and chance conservatives gave to Obama.
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CRS, DrPH, Alas poor Eisenhower I knew him well (appologies Bard).  I am in Britain a middle Conservative.  If I was in America I would be a Republican and would have voted for Trump, in spite of the fact that he is an ill-bred, ill-mannered buffoon whom I would not wish to be seen with at the local hunt ball.   Having said that, there is no way I would vote for Hillary Clinton as I am a firm believer in a written constitution that is inviolate and the right to bear arms.

In America you used to have the right to free speech until Europe started the craze for political correctness. Maybe, as much as I dislike the comments and language used by Trump, when he is president, the changes he will bring to America will give more freedom of expression and crush the ever growing menace of political correctness that is stifling Europe and Britain as this was the reason I voted for Brexit.  

With regards to the FBI, we need and FBI in Britain.  Ok, so I am a little prejudiced, as they charged and imprisoned the perpertrators of a postal magazine swindle and sent myself, and my friends, our money back. If you have got a few spare FBI agents please send them over to train our agencies.  Apart from the above comments I agree with FluMom and yourself absolutely.

Of course, I still think  that America should do the decent thing and vote in a Native American, annex Britain and make us the 51st state.





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FluMom, I do not think Trump will deliberately spark a nuclear war. I just think that things are delicately balanced and he does not "get it" which makes his chances of making fatal mistakes greater.  Both Truman and Roosevelt were family men, yet down came the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

However, that aside, you are absolutely correct. Democracy has to be the line-in-the-sand which is inviolate.  Complaints are part of free speech:  riots are evidence of spoilt-brat-ism.  I may shudder at what he claims he will do, but he has won the democratic right to do so and I absolutely defend that.

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Ps.  Did anyone notice that Medclinician predicted the riots?  Awesome!
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I've done my fair share of marching and placard waving in my time, and the people who come along on the chance that it might escalate were ever present. They were never there when you needed people to hand out leaflets or collect signatures, and much of the time you'd never even seen them before - but they'd show up to cause mayhem for the sake of it despite your best efforts to rein them in, and oftentimes it was for a cause they clearly had little interest in. It was the drama and adrenaline that brought them out.

That said, some of the things that Trump is now proposing have an awfully familiar ring to them. He was quoted on Thursday as saying that all Muslims within the US will be required to register, and when challenged by reporters on how that compared to Jews being required to do the same by the the Nazis, his reply was "You tell me".

I'm not so naive that I don't realize we have enemies within Islam, but I fail to see the logic in giving more Muslims a reason to radicalize by alienating them further. Declaring war on all members of a particular faith within our borders seems like sheer folly to me, but doesn't surprise me given Trump's lack of experience and temperament.

In that respect, I'm sure Ben Carson's comparison of Syrian refugees to rabid dogs running around your neighborhood isn't exactly winning over any hearts and minds either...



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As regards Syria, from their viewpoint, Trump is probably very good news.  He will not oppose Russia, which means Assad's forces will win.  Assad may be a monster, but he is still better than the alternative.  Frankly, it is most important of all that someone, ANYONE, wins so the conflict will end.  (Now, Russia only backed Assad to play chicken with the US.  Putin sees everything is terms of who has the stronger approach - its all about being seen to be the boss - which keeps him in power.  He will see this as capitulation and think he is the boss across your side of the pond now.  But it is still very good news for the oppressed Syrians - now the end of the bombings is in sight.)


Reality check in order....Syria's Assad had manufactured, with Russian help, TONS of sarin and VX nerve gas agent.  Tons.  

It only takes a small droplet to kill a person.  


Obama was foolish to declare "a red line" and not follow up on it by carpet bombing Assad's military assets instantly.  Screw the Russians, at that point they would not have retaliated. 

Now they are emboldened, Trump is clueless.  Like a puppy, he seeks attention and treats, and Putin will gladly stroke his ego.  The knife comes later, and it will be a long, sharp knife aimed at the USA and free countries of the world. 

p.s. don't forget about China, who are also posturing in the background.  

I didn't like Hillary and supported John Kasich in the primary, and would have gladly voted for Joe Biden if he ran.  As a Reagan Republican, I find Trump to be ignorant, unprincipled, and ultimately dangerous.  
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Originally posted by FluMom FluMom wrote:



As a person in education (mostly liberals) we have taught our children that they will never lose. All get ribbons or trophies even if they lose at any contest. These mostly young people protesting do not know how to lose a contest so they think that if they stomp their feet they will get what they want. Life does not work that way!


You are so right FluMom. Just look at Britain as an example. The people spoke there and voted for Brexit - to leave the European Union, and just listen to the uproar of the minority who voted to remain. On the front of the Daily Telegraph today it says 80 MPs want to force a second referendum because they don't like the results of the first one. Tough luck, is what I say. 

You can either have democracy in its flawed and imperfect state and say it's the best we have to offer, or you can have a dictatorship. You can't have both. In any election or referendum, the people speak. You can't choose to disregard the outcome just because you don't like it. 

I respect the majority. I might not have voted for the same outcome but I respect it. I tell my children all the time that when they get the vote they must use it. To not vote is to say "I don't care". 

The one thing that strikes me about Trumps win is that he can't possibly make good on all his election promises and that that will lead to further disillusionment and unrest in the people, who right now have high hopes for change. 

Cutting trading ties with overseas countries and banning/restriciting/levying higher taxes on imports will not create jobs in the USA it will simply increase prices and put further financial pressure on the poor. 
Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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Burning an American flag is treason and you won't see any support for these people from the military or soliders who fight to give them the freedom to protest. Calexit is an attempt for California to succeed from the United States and how patriotic is that?

When finally all the social programs are cut because the working people cannot afford to pay for illegal immigrants who have overwhelmed all government services in the state, then there will be chaos and anarchy.

This is sickening to others in the military who have lost people who died for America and now we have minority organizations and special interest groups trying to destroy the United States.

Why would they support a woman who is a criminal and has endangered the national security of our country? When their fathers and mothers and children die trying to sustain order in a police state which they have made to happen, no one is going to go on CNN and say - "Well I guess that was a mistake."

We were on the verge of a global nuclear war. If Hillary had declared a no-fly zone in Syria - that would have done it. If we do not solidify and unite and start rebuilding our country and our military, they will be arguing in the ashes. What kind of heritage will New York have then?

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Trump: Narcissist in the White House?
Sam Vaknin's thoughts on Donald Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HucsIsKdNa8

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I knew about the nerve gas, Chuck.  But I still think an end to the conflict, absolutely any end at all, is better than the continuing conflict.  If the war is over then he has no reason to gas his people anymore.  

If things go on as they are, there will not be anyone left to gas - except the rebels and Isil in their tunnels and bunkers with their western made gas masks, NBC suits and weaponry.

Make no mistake, Assad is a monster.  Russia only backs him to wind up the west.  Should Trump concede to Putin over this, then it will confirm to the Russian people that "Putin is the strong leader they want".  It will also make any further negotiations with Putin more problematic, as Putin will know that Trump is malleable (rather than just suspect it): - Bad news for America,  Bad news for the Western world in general, but still a final end to armageddon for the Syrians.  An awful end, but at least it will be an end.


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i was reading a book the othr day called"GREENMANTLE"by john bucan,Greenmantle is the second of five novels by John Buchan featuring the character of Richard Hannay, first published in 1916 by Hodder & Stoughton, London. Wikipedia
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 to read this book written in 1916,you would think that it was a News item TODAY,

MY POINT IS WE HAVENT MOVED VERY FAR IN 100 YEARS,

same world problems same people fighting ,

now we  the euopeans wainting to build up their armies,

SAME,SAME, SAME ,

the people have been DUMBED down ,

 most no nothing of history ,

and that history has lead the world to this  dangerous place,

if you look back into history at MAJOR WARS ,you will note somthing very interesting....

every 100 years or so guess what 

WE HAVE A MAJOR WAR........

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I have just been watching our news-media going into meltdown of Trump-policy speculation.

The tune of Nellie the Elephant sprang to mind.

Sadly America voted for Trump and started a media circus,
Off they went with a Trumpety Trump, Trump Trump Trump...................

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I knew about the nerve gas, Chuck.  But I still think an end to the conflict, absolutely any end at all, is better than the continuing conflict.  If the war is over then he has no reason to gas his people anymore.  

If things go on as they are, there will not be anyone left to gas - except the rebels and Isil in their tunnels and bunkers with their western made gas masks, NBC suits and weaponry.

Make no mistake, Assad is a monster.  Russia only backs him to wind up the west.  Should Trump concede to Putin over this, then it will confirm to the Russian people that "Putin is the strong leader they want".  It will also make any further negotiations with Putin more problematic, as Putin will know that Trump is malleable (rather than just suspect it): - Bad news for America,  Bad news for the Western world in general, but still a final end to armageddon for the Syrians.  An awful end, but at least it will be an end.



George W. Bush invaded the wrong country (Iraq) looking for WMD.  If anyone has access to nerve agents, these can be stolen, sold or smuggled out.  

The potency of agents such as VX is mind-boggling, and God only knows what else they've been working on (i.e. botulinum toxin).

There will be no end as long as Putin keeps trying to re-build the USSR.  
 


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Originally posted by Crabby Crabby wrote:


Some of you on this forum are too full of yourselves. Grow up!



Take a hike.  I was working on bioterrorism agents back in the Soviet Union days, and I have been to numerous Communist countries (including Romania under Ceausescu, Czechoslovakia under Husak, and Ukraine under Breznev), so I know a bit about how government security works. 

Trump is in far over his head, wait and see.  Putin will own him.  And I doubt that Sec Defense Ivanka will do much good.   http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-team-rivals-231277 - http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-team-rivals-231277






"Take a hike?" WOW! Like I said, some of you are too full of yourselves. I was in a couple of communist countries myself. I was in Czechoslovakia in 1971 and saw a couple of tanks in the streets, bullet holes in buildings, and nobody smiling. It took 4 hours to get through the border checkpoint and nothing to get out again. I slept with my passport under my pillow. I was also in China years later. Nobody cares.

The problem with people who have Dr. in their title is that they believe they are superior to everyone around them with their over-inflated egos. It's time you gave yours a rest, pal.
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Look, Obama was a community organizer, a Senator for 3 years and he became President with NO experience! Obama had NO experience in foreign matters.   Obama's one main asset was the fact he was the first black president.

At least Trump is a billionaire, who has built businesses (yes, some failures but when you are a billionaire you will have failures), he has negotiated both with foreign and domestic people on large contracts, employed thousands of people and knows how to fire the bureaucrats who do nothing in D.C.

I am less worried about Trump than the VERY inexperienced Obama and we are still alive today despite Obama's large inexperience when he became President.

Get real folks just because your candidate did not win is no reason to down the person who did win.

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Originally posted by CRS, DrPH CRS, DrPH wrote:

Originally posted by Crabby Crabby wrote:


Some of you on this forum are too full of yourselves. Grow up!



Take a hike.  I was working on bioterrorism agents back in the Soviet Union days, and I have been to numerous Communist countries (including Romania under Ceausescu, Czechoslovakia under Husak, and Ukraine under Breznev), so I know a bit about how government security works. 

Trump is in far over his head, wait and see.  Putin will own him.  And I doubt that Sec Defense Ivanka will do much good.   http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-team-rivals-231277 - http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-team-rivals-231277






"Take a hike?" WOW! Like I said, some of you are too full of yourselves. I was in a couple of communist countries myself. I was in Czechoslovakia in 1971 and saw a couple of tanks in the streets, bullet holes in buildings, and nobody smiling. It took 4 hours to get through the border checkpoint and nothing to get out again. I slept with my passport under my pillow. I was also in China years later. Nobody cares.

The problem with people who have Dr. in their title is that they believe they are superior to everyone around them with their over-inflated egos. It's time you gave yours a rest, pal.

It's so nice to have your pleasant personality and extensive experience with us, Crabby.  If you were in Czechoslovakia in 1971, you're pretty damn old, so you must have great wisdom. 
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Of you have ever watched Australian politics,you will know our politicians have developed the great art of the double backflip on any/all what they said in the run to an election,no wonder I am the biggest cinic ,

No point arguing amongst ourselves,what's done is done ,time to move on and hope for the "slate wiper".......
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