Will Stock Markets Crash in Fall-Winter-2016

As I turn on CNN and prepare for the U.S. presidential debate, it would be unrealistic to believe the debate will not have an effect on the U.S., the future, and especially the stock market.  So, as I watch them go over what will happen, is it true if Donald Trump wins the debate -the U.S. stock market and maybe many around the world - will tank?

Having watched the DOW for years and been posting here things on Wall Street were shaky today. I have been observing to see if it goes below 18,000 again and if the price of oil goes below $40 a barrel.


That is not a reflection of a comfortable world.

I have posted before I feel like I am watching Rocky - a sporting event - the Olympics - wondering if Trump will raise and arm and say "Yo, Adrian!"

No football time-outs. No going back to your corner to get patched up. No applause.

What really will be a victory for us the citizens of America?  More jobs, a safer America, a stronger military and strength and unity or more of the same.  Are there security issues here? I would think so.

The media... how powerful is it?  Despite statements that a debate cannot turn the tide of the votors or this election?  One thing is for certain- given the divide in loyalties on these candidates - millions of Americans in January will not approve of who is elected - not if - but when.

Medclinician  CWN

EdwinSm, wrote: According to the live news on BBC the markets reacted positively which indicate that they at least thought Clinton won the debate. Reading your title from a British-English background it seems you are saying "Will the Stock Market Crash or Fall this coming Winter" rather than what I am sure you mean "Will the Stock Markets Crash this coming Autumn or Winter"  The united language that divides us!

Thanks Edwin. I am dealing with the length of a title I can post. What I meant Will the Global and U.S. Stock Markets fall this Fall or Winter. Plagued by the double term "fall" as opposed to season and crash. People are saying we are headed for a dismal stock crash.

Just because Hillary is in bed with Wall Street and all the crooks will be able to continue to operate without having any change is not a plus for an already hugely corrupt system. The same Yahoos who have been in and criminals for decades- who should be in jail - won't have to worry about a shakedown if she is elected. They will just watch it all just collapse.

Other powerful nations like Japan support and encourage their industries and back them. To bring jobs back and strengthen America we need to start a trade war. Nobody in place who is making millions selling cheap foreign imports which are destroying our industry and jobs wants Trump. The NAFTA agreement is a disaster and the democrats put that in place.
http://historycentral.com/documents/Clinton/SigningNaFTA.html
Huge plants and industry migrated to Mexico as well as jobs. As certain propaganda machines worry about what woman was called fat or insulted, thousands of jobs are being lost by Americans in our United States which we supposedly love as people sit down during the national anthem and racial divisions, attacks on police, and rioting spread throughout the country.

We are on the verge of a complete economic collapse in the U.S. While Hillary is so religious about the minorities and alternate life styles, Americans in general are losing jobs. Hillary will kill the oil and coal producing industry, ruin places like West Virigina, and by not controlling immigration our health care system will collapse. We cannot afford to take care of non-American immigrants and reward them to for coming here.

If you take the cheese away - stopping allowing illegal criminals who are shooting people to stay in the U.S. and start controlling our borders, the goverment will not run out of money like it is near to doing. Even now they must pass something or the goverment will shut down in October - last I heard.

What is the real situation? How bad is it? It's bad.

Wall Street can Mickey Mouse around with the numbers but the economic growth in the U.S. is pathetic. There are not more people employed. They change the formulas to make it appear so. Given the real numbers, as used before counting people who have quit trying to look for jobs or the total percentange of able-bodied people who could work or even all people in general, we could be looking at numbers close to those during the Great Depression. It's all fixed. The economy in the U.S. and the world is bad. China is on the verge of collapse - Japan's is due for a huge meltdown- and U.K. is up for grabs after they left the European Union.

Some real data -

Several noted economists and distinguished investors are warning of a 50% stock market crash.

Mark Faber, Dr. Doom himself, recently told CNBC that “investors are on the Titanic” and stocks are about to “endure a gut-wrenching drop that would rival the greatest crashes in stock market history.”

Jim Rogers, who founded the Quantum Fund with George Soros, went apocalyptic when he said, “A $68 trillion ‘Biblical’ collapse is poised to wipe out millions of Americans.”

Unfortunately, these warnings are tame compared to their peers.

“U.S. stocks are now about 80% overvalued,” says Andrew Smithers, the chairman of Smithers & Co. He backs up his prediction using a ratio which proves that the only time in history stocks were this risky was 1929 and 1999. And we all know what happened next. Stocks fell by 89% and 50%, respectively.

Even the Royal Bank of Scotland says the markets are flashing stress alerts akin to the 2008 crisis. They told their clients to “Sell Everything” because “in a crowded hall, the exit doors are small.”

Blue chip stocks like Apple, Microsoft, and IBM will plunge.

But there is one distinct warning that should send chills down your spine … that of James Dale Davidson.

As a renowned economist, best-selling author, and founder of Strategic Investment, Davidson makes the strongest case for a looming crisis — “Right now, there are three key economic indicators screaming SELL. They don’t imply that a 50% collapse is looming, it’s already at our doorstep.”

comment: let me close by saying this

A storm is coming - over 300 banks are poised to fail - Latin America will default on all their debts -and we could be buried trying to continue to pay money to far more people than earn it - and all the corruption and misreporting of the problems will not save America - not if but when

Medclinician

I would think it will fall/fail if Hillary wins the election.  Trump will fix alot of things.  He has no class and is crude and arrogant as heck but at least he has the people behind him who are sick and tired of the status quo being shoved down our throats.  We're sick of both excessive legal immigration and illegal immigration, sick of being told it's racist to expect voters to have a valid, legal picture id when it's required for anything else in life, sick of the crookiness in govt, sick of pay for play, sick of the MSM backing the libs, sick of political correctness, sick of the federal judicial system overriding states rights and voted on issues like gay marriage, etc. 

Less govt if best government!!!

No one should be above the law especially Hillary Clinton.

Sad thing is that they have already pretty much stopped using the constitution as the 'law of the land' and Hillary is on record as saying she wants all guns banned from the average person's use.  She will go after them.

She's also on record as saying that Christians will just have to learn to 'get over their religions views' on topics like abortion, gay marriage, etc because she intends to push forward more laws that will go against our religion and we'll just have to obey the laws or else.

I honestly can't figure out how she's got a chance to win this thing.  She should be in prison NOT still running for office and she should not be in contention with all that she's done and/or not done while serving us little deplorable people.  SMH

They are approaching that "magic number" I have been watching i.e. 18,000 for the Dow. Despite reassurances from all election camps, Americans and investors are getting edgy and insecure and it is reflected in the market.  One measure of this is the "Fear Factor".

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-market-fear-factor-rises-as-clinton-trump-race-tightens-2016-11-01

This is tangible and measurable, to a point, and we have not seen it so bad since U.K.'s vote for a proposed Brexit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/25/world/europe/britain-brexit-european-union-referendum.html?_r=0

The Fear Factor

Stock market volatility rose to levels last seen in June on Tuesday as the Federal Reserve’s two-day policy meeting got under way and the presidential race between Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and Republican rival Donald Trump tightened a week before Election Day. The CBOE Volatility Index VIX, +2.05%  has advanced over the past six trading sessions, and was up 13% at 19.32 on Tuesday after notching an intraday high of 20.43. The last time the so-called fear gauge closed at such an elevated level was June 27, days after the U.K.’s surprise vote to leave the European Union

Many might comment my bar of 18,000 for the Dow is rather arbitrary, but as the Dow rose above this and upwards it was evidence of greater hope and health for not only the U.S. economy but the global markets.  Now it appears as the U.S. presidential elections are approaching, that is changing.

11/2/16 10 a.m. EST New York

• Dow -0.09% 18,020.35  /  -16.75
• Nasdaq -0.06% 5,150.42  /  -3.16
• S & P -0.11% 2,109.34  /  -2.38
  

Stock futures plunge as presidential race tightens

Stock futures plunged and bonds rallied as the outcome of the presidential election remained much tighter than expected.

Investors moved into bonds and stocks cratered as traders questioned whether Democrat Hillary Clinton could win the race, as expected. The Mexican peso fell sharply against the U.S. dollar.

"I would say the market is a bit more cautious as it doesn't seem to be such a quick and decisive victory for Hillary as it seemed," said Ian Lyngen, head of U.S. rate strategy at BMO. "But it's not over yet."

Traders watched for an outcome from Florida, a state that is still considered too close to call by NBC. Florida's battle has been tense and was separated by only a single percentage point with 91 percent of the vote in, according to NBC.

comment: Reality is coming to Fox network. They can't control the election. They can project all they want.

Medclinician

While voting continues in the Western U.S., the markets reacted as if Trump was heading to victory after trading higher for two days on optimism that Clinton could win.

"I think this could be the second strike of populism if Trump wins and I think that it's probably a bigger surprise for international markets than it for the U.S.," said Jack Ablin, CIO at BMO Private Bank. "Right now it's just emotional. Everything from the last two days would get undone, and then we'd have to take it down. We could see a 600 point (Dow) reversal."

Nobody knows what Pres. Trump is likely to do!!  He's already back-pedalling furiously upon "building the wall" between USA and Mexico, completely dismantling Obama-care etc. 

Seems there's trouble in Paradise just before Christmas. What exactly is the stock market uphappy about. Does someone know something we don't.

I remember several decades ago we had an incredible crash  in the late 80s.

Stock Market Crash of 1987

This crash occurred on October 19, 1987, now called the Black Monday. On this day, the Dow Jones Industrial Average slipped more than 500 points, or 22% of its value. Other indices were also affected badly - the S&P500 lost 20% and the NASDAQ Composite fell 11%. Why NASDAQ didn't fall as much as the other two was probably because the underlying market making system failed and the system was totally deadlocked. So far, the 1987 stock market crash is the largest one-day decline in history.

Are the markets being effected as there is a looming trade war with China and the U.S.? 

For whatever reason - for the first time in a long time - the market is shaky -

• DOW  -0.25% 19,892.62  /  -49.34
• NASDAQ -0.63% 5,437.06  /  -34.37
• S&P -0.36% 2,257.08  /  -8.10

Medclinician

Trump starting a trade way ?

China "Shocked" By Navarro Appointment, As Trump Team Proposes 10% Import Tariff

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-1...-import-tariff

this won't create one job in the US
it will hit hardest the lower and middle classes
in effect just another tax increase for all practical purposes

shop at a big box store ?
get ready to have your pocket picked
thanks Trump