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DJ-President Trump has a choice between yet another major war or de-escalation. In my opinion de-escalation would show responsibility.
The attack on the Saudi oil installation may have been an (Israeli /US ?) false flag. Aramco may sell shares to China-bringing Saudi oil industry in Chinese hands.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/u-s-locked-and-loaded-to-proceed-over-saudi-oil-refinery-attack

https://www.rt.com/news/468857-iran-us-drone-attack/and
https://www.rt.com/news/468899-nuclear-war-strategic-weapons/

DJ-A major attack on Iran could trigger other conflicts;
https://www.rt.com/news/468888-india-pakistan-lose-kashmir/

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13544&start=40

https://www.debka.com/us-intel-suspects-iranian-cruise-missiles-hit-saudi-oil-facilities-from-iraq-base/
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DJ-I do not believe Iran was involved in any attack on Saudi oil installations. Iran needs good relations both with Russia and China-and both countries are also involved in investments in Saudi Arabia.

https://www.scmp.com/business/banking-finance/article/2115709/china-offers-buy-5-cent-aramco-directly-giving-it and https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/16/new-security-fears-jeopardize-saudi-aramcos-public-stock-offering.html

China would like to get more control over Saudi energy-an Iran attack would frustrate China's interest.

Saudi Arabia is spending billions per month on the Yemen war-Saudi needs a "better price" for oil and gas. Both KSA and Israel fear Iran but know they can not win from Iran in a war without US/NATO support.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/17/saudi-arabia-has-to-explain-how-its-oil-assets-in-abqaiq-were-attacked-says-ex-us-diplomat.html After the US and China Saudi is spending the most on weapons. How was it possible that the saterday attack could take place ????

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/damage-at-saudi-oil-plant-points-to-well-targeted-swarm-attack.html;
The hits were extremely precise. The Yemeni armed forces claimed it attacked the facility with 10 drones (or cruise missiles). But the hits on these targets look like neither. A total of 17 hits with such precise targeting lets me assume that these were some kind of drones or missiles with man-in-the-loop control. They may have been launched from within Saudi Arabia.

https://theduran.com/war-with-iran-only-likely-in-2nd-presidential-term/;
The drone attacks on the Aramco oil refinery at Abqaiq and Khurais oil field is – in my opinion – one of the best carried out operations in decades. It’s so open to interpretation, and it serves the hegemon’s narrative so well. If the Houthis have such tactical and strategic capabilities, why didn’t they deploy them sooner against Saudi Arabia? Something must have changed. They must have received better equipment, training or specialists, plus intel. Or maybe the Saudis deliberately let their guard down? The whole thing doesn’t smell right. If it was indeed carried out by Iran via proxy, then it’s a hands down master stroke; the message being: that’s how strong we are, and we can inflict a lot worse if you invade us.

Putting that question aside, war with Iran, even if it would appease the Zionists and the Saud crime family, it would kill Trump’s chances of reelection. He can’t win simply with the hardcore republicans, he needs the moderate vote too. And even his loyalists, some of them at least, are deploring his hawkish policy toward Iran – because he vowed to keep the country out of another Middle Eastern quagmire.

Israeli propaganda claims; https://www.debka.com/exclusive-iran-shot-missiles-from-khuzestan-drones-from-w-iraq-at-saudi-oil-facilities/ fit in with an "anti-Trump" campain.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/468935-saudi-oil-field-drone-attack/
KSA has US weapons-do they do their job ? https://www.rt.com/news/468948-putin-saudi-arabia-missiles/;Russian President Vladimir Putin has suggested Saudi Arabia should buy Russian air defense systems to protect its oil facilities from drone attacks, pointing to Iran and Turkey, who operate S-300 and S-400 missiles, respectively.

https://www.rt.com/business/468985-oil-surge-100-saudi-attacks/
A US attack on Iran would "crash" the global economy.

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13544&start=60 Eventhough there is talk of US military action against Iran for the false flag/Yemen attacks on Saudi oil infrastructure-I (DJ)-do not see a major US action against Iran as very likely.

Not only one could question wether Iran was involved in this attack (maybe even the U.A.E.-now also in conflict with KSA played a role-by giving Yemen info), Russia and China will make very clear they will do all they can to "limit damage" from any US actions.

China, India, but also Turkey, Pakistan a.o. most likely even the EU "will not welcome further US actions" as a result from Trump breaking the Iran-deal (mostly because Obama made that deal).

In my opinion it would be wise when Trump went on a diplomatic offensive. For now-if you want peace in any region you go to Russia for diplomacy, China for investment-if you want war you go to the US.
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DJ-While the "western embedded media" keep spreading propaganda more and more indications show up that the attack on Saudi oil installations did NOT come from Iran.

-The US-made defenses of KSA are facing (with a 120 degree-not 360 degree radar) the Iran coast and would pick up the weapons coming from Iran. The US radar did thus miss the 240 degree radar did not cover when the drones etc. came from the west.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/how-russian-and-iran-beat-their-opponents-strategies.html

As https://southfront.org/gulf-war-report-u-s-saudi-sources-claim-attack-on-saudi-oil-was-launched-from-iran/ makes clear Saudi managed to also get in conflict with not only Iran and Yemen but also Qatar and U.A.E. (and the shia-minority in NE KSA).

With that limited "proof" claiming Iran "did it" is insane.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-liwaa-al-quds-send-reinforcements-to-sdf-front-lines-in-deir-ezzor/ US forces in South Syria have gotten into conflict with Iraqi-militia (in a Kurdish held area) so now the Syrian Army is moving in to "limit the damage".

At the same time https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/erdogan-proposes-creation-of-refugee-city-at-syria-peace-talks/ Turkey want to put Syrian refugees in-until recent-Kurdish held area's. Turkey and the US are creating a safe zone-in the same time Turkey and Iran are working on anti-Kurdish plans. (With Russia trying to provide some safety for the Kurds-and the Kurds not willing to compromise with the Assad government for now.)
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29874/the-strike-on-saudi-oil-facilities-was-unprecedented-and-it-underscores-far-greater-issues
The angle of impact is not an indication of were the weapons came from.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/covert-intel-u-s-military-orders-unprecedented-activations-not-seen-since-iraq-war DJ-Hal Turner hints that the US is preparing military action.
A possible scenario could be an attack on Yemen targets (that claim the attack).

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13553

https://sputniknews.com/world/201909181076831302-zarif-on-us-blaming-iran-for-saudi-aramco-attack-washington-should-look-at-realities-in-region/

https://theduran.com/oil-at-100-per-barrel-attack-on-saudi-refineries-could-shake-oil-market-further/

DJ-Yemen has warned there will be more attacks on Saudi oil installations. A US/western attack on Iran will crash the global economy. Even when Russia and China stay out of the fighting the time for diplomacy is gone. We may find ourself in a "colder war" than we can imagine.

AS a result "free press" (including internet) will become a thing of the past. A modern form of totalitarian "democracy" (run by big companies) will be "normal".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Perfect_Day, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four may be to optimistic.

A de facto global war in combination with climate collapse may bring the end.
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DJ-Eventhough there is no real proof Iran was behind the attack on Saudi oil installations, there is no international support for a war against Iran, still the US seems to be moving towards such an insane war.

When you look at the Afghan-war since 2001, Iraq-war 2003, Syria-war 2011, Libya-war, Yemen-war what does Trump expect ?

The EU, Merkel does want the US to again join the Iran-deal, Macron wants an independent investigation on the attacks. China just made a major investmentprogram with Iran-the US is attacking two main oil suppliers of China; Venezuela and now Iran-China has every reason to consider this move as an indirect decleration of war by the US against China (and will act in such a way).

What to expect when the US would be crazy enough to start a war with Iran ?

-1 The war would explode all over the Middle East. Pro-Iran groups are in Iraq, Syria, Yemen. US-goals in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan will become frontlines.
-2 Yet another attack by the US on a Muslim-country will be seen as an attack on Islam by many.
-3 In the US giving support to the main sponsor of IS, a corrupt "royal family" claiming to own all of the country and going for a major war in defense of that "royal criminal gang" will further divide the already not so United States. (If BoJo is that stupid to put the UK in such a war chaos in Brexit-UK will become even larger. The UK has to pay the EU billions for breaking up all kind of agreements-the UK will go broke.)
-4 There is no point in trying to talk with the US for Russia, China (etc) the only outcome is that the US only want their goals-no compromises.
-5 Most likely such a war would bring NATO close to its ending. Turkey is-more or less- an ally of Iran. The EU does want an Iran-deal and did not forget the US/Trump sabotaged it. Another refugee-crisis is "not welcome".
-6 The Yemen-war is already more and more fought in Saudi Arabia, Yemen forces will keep attacking Saudi oil installations. The Gulf-region, more likely a wider region-will stop exporting oil/gas. Bringing the global economy in a major crisis.
-7 Most likely Saudi Arabia will become the main battle field-not Iran.
-8 Israel most likely will not stay out of the chaos. A "limited war" may be the best they can hope for-when Israel attacks Iran there are that many weapons Israel may "come to an end".
-9 Already cholera was a major issue in Yemen. A major war will become a very major-global-healthcrisis.
-10 Since a war with Iran will be another "never ending war" western media will get even more censored, the end of free internet etc. Increase of (false flag) terrorism etc.

Some links;

https://www.rt.com/news/469114-iran-missile-saudi-yemen-oil/
KSA has no proof of Iran-link
https://twitter.com/Brasco_Aad/status/1174393677474664454;
Japan: We will under NO circumstance will send troops to the Persian Gulf region. We will only offer our diplomatic means to try to resolve this issue.
https://southfront.org/gulf-war-report-u-s-starts-preparations-for-war-with-iran/
https://southfront.org/houthis-reveal-new-details-about-2019-abqaiq-khurais-attack/
https://southfront.org/air-defense-systems-fail-all-the-time-pompeos-visit-to-saudi-arabia-turned-into-theater-of-absurd/
https://southfront.org/iran-and-china-to-start-25-year-strategic-partnership-with-400-billion-in-investments/ (DJ-Iran is also a major partner for both India and Pakistan, with Turkey expected to become SCO member, Iran is the cornerstone for the New Silk Road China is working on. Again-a US attack on Iran is an attack on China and Russia. )
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/who-really-benefits-iran-attacked-saudi-arabia-narrative:
US involvement in the Middle East thus far has led to nothing but disaster. While total financial costs are often debated, general estimates of the combined costs of US involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Pakistan are in the area of $5 trillion (a conservative estimate in my opinion). The civilian body count from the Iraq war alone stands at around 208,000 people according to Iraqbodycount.org. US, Israeli and Saudi Arabian covert agencies involved in Libya and Syria trained, funded and armed the same militants that would eventually give rise to ISIS under a program called Timber Sycamore. And, though we continually hear about Trump's intentions to pull US troops out of the region, tens of thousands of soldiers and private contractors remain in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria to this day.

No person in their right mind could claim that US foreign policy in the Middle East has been successful. In fact, the US has lost considerable face and economic stability during these conflicts, which have been perpetuated by BOTH Republican and Democratic administrations. And now, the potential for a war in Iran is rising; a war that could devastate the US economy once and for all.
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DJ-Of course attacking Iran for the Houthi/Yemen attack on Saudi oil installations (a military target, Saudi-main IS sponsor-is in a genocide-war with Yemen (with US/UK a.o. help) is pretty insane.

Still a lot of US "politicians" think it is a good idea. Trump goes back to his election promise of getting the US out of never ending wars-at least by not starting another even worse war (with Iran-indirect with China wich plans to put over 5000 security personal to protect Chinese investments in Iran. China may have done something like that in Venezuela-also under US attack).

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/triumph-candidate-trumps-foreign-policy-backing-war-iran

DJ-When there is no end to those wars the next crisis is around the corner. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/the-crisis-over-the-attack-on-saudi-oil-infrastructure-is-over-we-now-wait-for-the-next-one.html

https://southfront.org/u-s-deploys-advanced-electronic-warfare-plane-in-middle-east/

DJ-The only way out is in words not in bombs. The "Iran-deal" may not be Trump wanted but could be-for the moment-an opening for talks.

A lot of damage is already the result of a US foreign policy best described as "bizar". Get rid of Saudi wahabist extremists that sponsor IS terrorists that are out of CIA control. A way to do so is talks with Russia, China on these kind of wahabist countries that get in power by selling oil. "We"have to stop doing anything with "them", should not enrich our fundamental enemies.

(Moderate muslims are the majority-the west did attack them, and orthodox christians-in Iraq, Syria-stupid !)
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DJ-For the moment no war between the US and Iran. But many steps are needed to de-escalate.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/cia-celebrates-18-years-of-war-in-afghanistan.html

DJ-A major problem is the way the US thinks they can "rule the world".

https://theduran.com/tulsi-gabbard-shoots-straight-on-the-middle-east-like-a-soldier-should/ DJ-I "love" the way Tulsi Gabbard makes clear the Saudi's have to stop financing alquaida (and IS).

https://theduran.com/attack-on-saudi-aramco-facilities-exposes-mbs-weakness-as-flotation-to-save-kingdom-jeopardized-video/
DJ-I do NOT agree Iran did play a (major) role in the attacks on Saudi oil installation. WHEN Iran would be behind that it would not damage it 50% but 100%. There is no proof for the Iran-claim.

Still;

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-spy-plane-operated-drones-that-attacked-hmeymim-base-in-syria-russia/,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/new-reports-of-airstrikes-on-syrian-border-city-of-albukamal/,(DJ-Saudi attacking pro-Iran Iraqi militia in Iraq/Syria border area)
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-air-force-blocks-israeli-airstrikes-in-syria-media/

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/president-trump-orders-u-s-troops-missiles-sent-to-saudi-arabia,
https://www.rt.com/news/469277-troops-air-defenses-saudi-uae/

DJ-Further escalation is just around the corner. Even when the US returned to the Iran-deal it also needs to review its partners.
The US. NATO or Israel should not choose to do any bussiness with main supporters of wahabist extremism/terrorism. KSA and other gulf states are doing so-spreading a backward version of Islam from Nigeria to Kashmir, Jawa-Indonesia and even Europe and US.

Oil, fossil fuel, is outdated-killing us all. By giving oil the major role "we" did in the 20th century "we" gave power to people that were not ready for that.
By using wahabism-as the US did-to create chaos in Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iran you create terrorism instead of fight it.

"The war on terror" is bringing us a totalitarian state-only in name a democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia%E2%80%93United_Arab_Emirates_relations and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_relations

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trumps-real-war-deep-state-not-iran
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/europe-cracks-are-beginning-show, https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/thinking-unthinkable-saying-unsayable

DJ-The EU-in different steps-is moving towards "working with Asia". From northstream1+2, turkstream to railroad connections with China European investments in Asian countries the "western dominance" of the world is coming to an end.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/us-ships-more-air-defense-systems-that-do-not-work-to-saudi-arabia.html

The US (in some ways maybe with UK) will not be able to stop Asia as the dominant market (with over 50% of the global population).

DJ-In my opinion the US "may change positions", dump the EU to compete with the EU in Asia. Problem for a UNITED states is that working with a not very united Europe may be easier, also landroutes make a difference.

https://southfront.org/russian-defense-minister-on-power-balance-and-current-military-and-political-situation-on-global-scene/,
https://southfront.org/the-saker-crises-the-middle-east-and-a-few-hopefully-useful-pointers/
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DJ-Turkey preparing major anti-Kurdish operation in SDF-East Syria. Turkey will face US (and UK, France ???) forces.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/erdogan-sunday-set-turkeys-incursion-ne-syria-pentagon-waffles-kurdish-proxies,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/sdf-warns-of-all-out-war-if-turkey-invades-northern-syria/ (DJ-PKK and several other Kurdish groups are allied-the US does not seem to be able to get that point. A Turkish attack on the SDF could mean SDF and PKK (etc) forming one front.)
https://www.rt.com/news/470294-turkey-syriam-border-reinforcements/

DJ-Both in Hong Kong and Iraq violent anti-government protests. Both can be seen as a CIA supported attempt to stop China from becoming the dominant economic power.
The wars in Syria and Iraq would do 3 things;
1-Iran-Lebanon land route giving Iran more room to "deal" with US (insane) sanctions
2-Russia-Mediterranean (and via Iran Indian Ocean) landroute
3-China-EU "New Silk Road" (DJ-China may deal with Iraq unrest by investing in infrastructure for trade with EU and in Iraq oil industry. Also Iraq is a main distribution point for oil/gas from the Middle East to China, EU)
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-attempting-to-block-new-syrian-iraqi-crossing-from-opening-russian-media/

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/how-an-ever-sanctioning-superpower-is-losing-its-status.html

https://www.facebook.com/pepe.escobar.77377

https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-october-4-2019-iran-foils-attempt-to-assasinate-commander-of-qods-force/

https://southfront.org/saudi-arabia-halts-airstrikes-on-yemen-al-mayadeen/ DJ-With more and more the "Yemen-war" moving into Saudi Arabia, pressure from Pakistan, Iraq, for talks-and in the background both Russia (leading OPEC+) and China (main global investor in oil/gas) Saudi Arabia may consider talks on Yemen (and even talk with Iran).

DJ-The US may try to use IS again as a weapon in Iraq, Syria (etc-IS is also in Yemen, Afghanistan, Libya-everywere the US goes IS goes). It may not work that much longer.
-Turkey did support IS in 2011, EU countries did allow thousends of EU citizens to join IS in those days. Both changed.
-Russia and China realize IS is a US weapon against them (DJ-the nazi's were a western creation against Stalin, the Soviet Union-history based on lies and propaganda is fake-history. Divide-and-rule-strategies are very old.) Both Russia, Iran, China will not allow IS to become a major factor.
-Israel did support the Kurds and IS (etc) against Assad/Iran. Israel may not be in a position to do much. Russia is in air control over Syria. To much support from Israel (Netanyahu) may damage relations with Russia and China (Gantz could be the next Israeli PM and may not like the US-Saudi-Israel secret wars any longer).
-Saudi Arabia, Gulf States supported IS, alquaida etc. (KSA was behind 9-11-2001-the US needed Saudi oil). With the US becoming the #1 in oil production Saudi Arabia/Gulf States need better relations with both Russia and China. (Above that Saudi Arabia is as good as bankrupt by fighting expensive wars, is in conflict with several other Arab neighbours (from Syria, Iraq, Yemen to Qatar, UAE). Saudi Arabia and Turkey were allies in 2011-now they to are in conflict.

DJ-By further creating chaos, hijacking protests in Iraq, Hong Kong the US-CIA wants to put pressure on China and force Trump to keep forces in the Middle East. (Or even start a war with Iran).

The EU is not waiting for another influx of refugees. The world is not waiting for exploding energy-prices.

Support for barbarism via groups like IS (HTS etc in Idlib) is "very limted" in the M.E. area. Many people wondering why IS was so pro-Israel. Why IS was using US weapons and driving around in Japanese pick-ups, IS selling oil to western/Israeli oil companies at very low prices.

The chaos in the Middle East mirrors the chaos in the US "politics" with "democrats" fighting for corrupt scum like biden, even h.clinton thinking of entering the presidential race. Are these "democrats" willing to start world war 3 to win the US election ? (DJ-I am not a fan of Trump but the insanity of US (and UK) "politics" is shocking. Tulsi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard and a few others are signs of hope in a dark desert.

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DJ-Allthough there is no doubt some reality in the Russian claim of US support for IS to block the Iraq-Syria border https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-carries-out-attack-against-syrian-troops-in-deir-ezzor/- I (DJ) also think https://www.debka.com/the-hidden-hand-stirring-up-unrest-in-iraq-at-cost-of-100-lives-4000-injured-sadr-at-tehrans-behest/ may be close to reality.

From the article;
This government was finally established as a weak compromise after a long stalemate following Iraq’s general election last year. It has never been stable enough to pursue a clear and consistent policy on any issue, least of all the country’s profound security and economic woes.

The protesters’ grievances are convincing. Unemployment runs at 7.9pc – up to 20pc among young men – while a quarter of the population of 40 million lives in abject poverty with an average income of $2 a day.

Their plight is all the more painful in a country that holds around a quarter of the world’s oil reserves and exports 5 million barrels day (roughly half of the Saudi output). Iraq could be one of the wealthiest countries of the Middle East if only its earnings did not vanish inside a convoluted web of corruption.

The wave of disaffection gives Iran fertile soil for its plan to dominate Baghdad; and it gained an extra fillip from the removal of a major obstacle from its path.
In the second half of September, the prime minister sparked the first demonstrations by the removal of the popular Gen. Abdul Wahhab al-Saadi as commander of the Iraqi Counter-Terrorism Service to a post in the defense ministry. This service is the only effective operational branch of Iraq’s armed services. The general was acclaimed as a national hero for leading the operation that routed the Islamic State and drove the jihadists from the roughly 50 percent of the country’s territory they had seized. Al-Saadi is also admired as that rare bird, an honest official. Tehran and its satellite Iraqi Shiite militias found in the popular general a major impediment to their plans to gain control of Baghdad and the national army.
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DEBKAfile’s sources recall that the Shiite cleric Muqtada Sadr, head of the largest bloc in the Iraqi parliament, paid an unexpected visit to Tehran on Sept. 11. This visit caused much surprise because Sadr was reputed to be a leading opponent of Iran’s presence in Baghdad. Yet, all of a sudden, he appeared in a photo together with Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and its Middle East commander, the Al-Qods chief Gen. Qassem Soleimani. The content of their conversation in the ayatollah’s private office was never revealed. But it is self-evident that Soleimani’s participation could only mean that religion was not their main topic.

On Saturday, Oct. 5, when Prime Minister Abdel-Mahdi lifted the curfew over Baghdad, Muqtadr called for a new general election in Iraq. It may be assumed that, acting on the deal he reached during his Tehran visit, he is aiming for an election to grant his own faction plus the pro-Iranian militias’ political groups a parliamentary majority. They will then have the power to annul the prime minister’s decrees in recent weeks to disband those militias and integrate them in Iraqi army units. The door would then be open for Tehran to gain a solid foothold in Baghdad.

https://www.rt.com/news/470289-saudi-kurdish-tv-stormed-baghdad/ DJ-may also indicate shia-militia.

The US-Saudi-Israel (USI) against Russia-Iran-China (RIC) conflict is also https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/05/607891/Philippines-Duterte-Russia-ties-Sochi-US-criticism

DJ-China's strategy in Hong Kong looks like;
1 contain it to Hong Kong avoid further spread
2 make Hong Kong suffer for the protests (less tourism, companies moving to Shanghai, economic damage)
3 put in more and more police, security forces etc. to break down protest but avoid as much as possible a major crack down.
For China Hong Kong is a local problem, keeping the economy going, in the middle of a pork-crisis, means getting more control on oil/gas around the globe.

China is buying agriculture products from eastern Russia, air defense also from Russia. The plan to send over 5000 "security staff" to protect Chinese investments in Iran is also part of the struggle.
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/china-launches-hd-satellite-monitor-belt-and-road-projects The New Silk Road is essential for China's plan to become a major world player.
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https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/the-us-led-coup-attempt-in-iraq-may-further-weaken-that-country.html and https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-iran-silent-war-suddenly-transformed-iraq-uprising:
The critical economic situation is making the Middle East vulnerable to unrest. Most countries are suffering due to the US sanctions on Iran and the monstrous financial expenditure on US weapons. US President Donald Trump is trying hard to empty Arab leaders’ pockets and keep Iran as the main scarecrow to drain Gulf finances. The Saudi war on Yemen is also another destabilizing factor in the Middle East, allowing plenty of room for tension and confrontation.

Iraq seems headed for instability as one aspect of the multidimensional US war on Iran; the US is demanding support and solidarity from Gulf and Arab countries to stand behind its plans. Iraq is not conforming to all US demands. The Iraqi parliament and political parties represent the majority of the population; regime change is therefore unlikely, but neighboring countries and the US will continue to exploit domestic grievances. It is not clear whether Abdel Mahdi will manage to keep Iraq stable. What is clear is that US-Iran tensions are not sparing any country in the Middle East.

DJ-Iraq is between Iran and Saudi Arabia (R.I.C. and U.S.I.). Looking at the region the US is NOT in a position to get Iraq under control, Iran is.

By increasing pressure on Iran's neighbours the US may find they will further lose ground.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/7-october-kurdish-sources-are-reporting-the-withdrawal-of and https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-military-increases-presence-in-northern-aleppo-to-block-potential-turkish-army-operation-video/

DJ-A Turkish invasion of Kurdish held parts of Syria must be part of talks in the Astana-group between Turkey, Iran and Russia. In my (DJ) opinion such a Turkish invasion may be used to force Kurdish groups to make up their mind. Do they want to be under Assad or Ankara ? (The chances for a Kurdish state are zero).
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/major-policy-shift-us-pulls-out-syria-ahead-imminent-turkish-invasion;
In a major policy shift that abandons nearly a decade of American policy in Syria, the White House announced late Sunday night that US forces in northern Syria would step aside to allow a planned Turkish offensive. The decision follows late-night haggling between President Trump and President Erdogan, who had threatened a "land and air" offensive "as soon as today or tomorrow."

The United States Government has pressed France, Germany, and other European nations, from which many captured ISIS fighters came, to take them back, but they did not want them and refused. The United States will not hold them for what could be many years and great cost to the United States taxpayer. Turkey will now be responsible for all ISIS fighters in the area captured ove the past two years in the wake of the defeat of the territorial "Caliphate" by the United States."
(DJ-https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/7-october-turkish-media-14-000-fsa-fighters-to-participate Those IS fighters will most likely be used as pro-Turkish fighters against the Kurds. Maybe Russia will "stop" this-bomb them away.)

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-us-forces-allegedly-withdraw-from-turkish-border/;
According to the Syrian Democratic Forces, this Turkish military operation will cause a resurgence of the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL/IS, Daesh) in the regions they control.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-special-forces-open-new-euphrates-crossing-between-sdf-saa-lines-photos/ and https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/7-october-the-first-consequences-of-the-us-withdrawal--failure
SAA and Russian forces take over (some) US positions (working with the Kurds ???) https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/07/608055/US-gives-green-light-Turkish-offensive-Syria

https://www.rt.com/news/470330-europe-new-refugee-crisis-seehofer/

https://sputniknews.com/military/201910071076978054-russia-to-implement-contracts-for-delivering-weapons-to-iraq/, https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/07/608053/Iraq-protests-evidence-paid-snipers,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israel-to-begin-new-air-defense-project-focused-on-cruise-missile-attack-from-iraq-media/

DJ-Is the US moving out of the Middle East or escalating the (many) conflicts in the area-or both ?

With US forces pulling out in some Kurdish held parts of Syria Kurdish groups may start working-on some conditions-with pro-Assad, Russian forces (?)

The "unrest" in Iraq seems to be another cia-job. It is related to events in Syria and meant to stop Iran, but also to stop Russia and China. Most likely this US operation will fail but can bring a lot of more damage.

The EU is not happy with;
-1 higher energy prices
-2 The US punishing Iraq for a electricity contract with a German company in stead of a US company
-3 Another refugee-crisis, more (US made) wars
-4 The US still making any Iran-deal impossible (even with Macron, Merkel pushing for US-Iran talks)

The gap between the EU and the US is only getting wider.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/saudi-crown-princes-final-option;
Open support for MBS will be in place very soon, with Russian president Vladimir Putin expected to head to Riyadh very soon. In stark contrast to the waning Trump-MBS friendship, Putin is openly a big supporter of the crown prince’s strategy and dreams. Russian sovereign wealth fund RDIF and others are flocking to Riyadh’s hotels as further evidence of Russian support. Moscow appears set to capitalize on Washington’s weak response to the recent attacks in Saudi Arabia, and MBS will be eager to take advantage. A closer Saudi-Russian relationship may end up helping to restrain Iran, as the Islamic Republic is heavily dependent on Moscow’s support.

(DJ-Saudi Arabia moving away from the US would again bring an end to the US-petro-$ closer. Yet another indication for the total failure of US foreign policy.
Turkey moving into Syria-if it happens-would do a lot of damage to NATO.)
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https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/syria-trump-gives-green-light-for-another-turkish-invasion.html

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/7-october-a-turkish-armed-forces-convoy-is-making-entrance

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/turkey-commences-syria-attack-u-s-expels-turkey-from-joint-air-operations-center-cuts-off-intel-and-recon

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/10000-isis-unleashed-syrian-kurds-warn-mass-prison-break-amid-turkish-invasion

https://www.rt.com/news/470397-turkey-bombs-kurds-syria/

DJ-Some scenario's;

-The Kurds have to make a decision on what to do with the many thousends of IS-POW's. Since IS has no problem with genocide on Kurds the outlook for those POW's is "not good".

-Turkey moving into Kurdish held parts of Syria may start a regional Turkish-Kurdish war in Syria, Iraq, Turkey (and most likely all around the globe).

-The US breaking much of the communications with Turkey is the US giving up its main bases for operations in the Middle East.

In the past Turkey and Iran did fight Kurdish groups in Iraq. Iran may think twice on how to deal with the situation in Syria. Kurds there also control Arab parts-wich may be taken over by the SAA (and Iran ?).

Russia does want to limit a Turkish-Kurdish conflict. War is not a bases for Chinese investments. (DJ- I think also Turkey can not afford a very expensive endless war-may seek Russian, Iran mediation.)
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/full-turkish-assault-ne-syria-coming-next-24-hours-kurds-make-late-night-appeal and https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/syrian-kurds-say-partnership-assad-or-russia-considered-if-turkey-invades

DJ-"Shadowdancing" on the eve of a Turkish invasion that may not come (at least not as a major operation).

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-deploys-large-number-of-soldiers-to-deir-ezzor-for-potential-euphrates-offensive/,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-military-spotted-south-of-afrin-city-photo/

DJ-The Kurds/SDF are pulling reserve forces north-so SE Syria is "open".
The Kurds may allow pro-Assad forces there to avoid IS like groups becoming a problem for the SDF facing the Turks.
Also in the already under (pro) Turkish controlled NW Syria Turkey is loking for "rebels" to fight the Kurds. That area may also get less defensed-giving the SAA (etc) room to move north.

The only realistic scenario left for the SDF is https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/sdf-considering-partnership-with-assad-to-fight-off-turkish-invasion/. When the Kurds fail to work with Assad Afrin-scenario is next for other parts of Syria.

https://iraq.liveuamap.com/ DJ-Increase of tensions in North (Kurdish) Iraq.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/08/608204/Russia-warns-actions-that-could-stall-peace-process-in-Syria

DJ-Russia wants to speed up talks in Syria to get out of the war. The outcome could be (I speculate) Russian observers on the Syria-Turkey border ?
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https://www.rt.com/news/470532-erdogan-syria-operation-start/,
https://syria.liveuamap.com/

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/09/608250/Iran-Army-surprise-drills-Turkey-border

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/turkish-troops-commenced-invasion-of-syria-en-mass-at-5-30-edt-today;
Turkish troops have started crossing into Syria to force Kurdish militants away from its border. 50,000 troops, 500 tanks. Advance halted 3 kilometers inside border. Aircraft are bombing the Turkish convoys. No word if Syrian or Russian aircraft.

Turkish jets started bombing the Syrian border on Monday night ahead of the ground invasion.

DJ-No further confirmation of air attacks on Turkish forces-the Kurds do not have aircraft. There is some cross-border shelling into Turkey.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/09/608266/Turkey-launches-military-invasion-into-northeastern-Syria-against-YPG-forces-;
Syria vows to confront Turkish operation

Earlier, the Syrian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Expatriates had condemned the Turkish planned military offensive on Kurdish positions in northeastern Syria, stressing the Damascus government's determination to confront the “Turkish aggression by all means.”

The ministry said in a statement released on Wednesday that the Syrian government condemns the “aggressive intentions of the Turkish regime” as well as the Turkish military build-up near the Syrian border, which it said constitutes a “blatant violation to the international law.”

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/09/608269/Kurds-view-dialogue-with-Syria-positively DJ-When the Kurds want pro-Assad forces protection they should not wait that long.

The most likely goal is a Turkish safety zone 30km/20 miles deep south of the Turkish border-but this "plan" will not survive the fighting.

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13601
From here-Turkey airforce operating deep inside Kurdish held Syria a.o. bombing drinking water installations for two million people. https://twitter.com/ELINTNews, https://twitter.com/IntelCrab,

DJ-Syria will not accept this invasion and send most likely troops to help Kurdish fighters. Russia wants Turkey to respect Syria as a country. There was an IS escape, increase of IS activity (coordinated by the CIA ?)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-turkish-troops-tanks-travel-syria-us-backs-away

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/syria-turkey-again-invades.html
The stupidity of the Kurds to (again) allow a Turkish invasion in their areas when there is the clear alternative of submitting the rightful Syrian government is amazing. One of the YPG leaders said yesterday they were "considering" that move. Isn't it a bit late for that?

The YPG Kurds still have not recognized that they were simply used a mercenaries by the U.S. and that their usefulness expired. They still beg those who betrayed them for help: (A no-fly zone ? By the US that is in Syria against international law ??? Or by NATO-Turkey ????)
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Chump has Blood on his hands now.....

I wonder what the Fool will do next...



12 Monkeys...............
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Here we go again round And round

On this infinite madness.....

Best bring on the "slate wiper"....

End it once and for all......
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carbon20, I think Trump is correct in saying the US should get out of the Middle East(ern conflicts). The endless wars in Afghanistan (since 2001), Iraq (2003), Syria (2011) Libya, Yemen etc. are not in the long-term US interests (only when you make weapons, protect oil interests).

Syria, Russia, Iran have told Turkey the Turkish invasion is unacceptable. They are in a position to stop Turkey. (Russia and China can stop bussiness with Turkey on tourism, new Silk Road etc. Turkey would like to be the link between Asia and the EU-but is making that option impossible now.)

There is a powerstruggle in the US with "democrats" trying to get rid of Trump (and get clinton and biden to run the US-not realy an improvement in my opinion). The CIA seems to be working against the pentagon, IS and alquada are US proxy armies.

When Trump pulls out US forces out of Iraq, Afghanistan there will be (some) chaos-hopefully others can fill the vacuüm.

The US problem goes much further than Trump-the US politics is a shame for the leading western nation.

There are some politicians in the US that understand you can not sanction almost every country in the world and expect friendly relations.

For the Kurds it would be wise when they start working with Russia to at least have some protection in Syria. The faillure to do so is a Kurdish (repeated) mistake (they made that mistake also during the Afrin-operations).

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-eyes-oil-fields-across-euphrates-as-turkey-begins-northern-syria-operation/
DJ-A further lack of realism from the Kurdish side may be the end of any Kurdish dream of a Kurdish State.
With most Kurds fighting Turkey, little contol of IS POW's and unprotected oil-fields Syria (and Iran, Russia) will not let IS get in control of oilfields again.
Further Kurdish insanity may give the Kurds Turkish soldiers north of them and Syrian, Russian, Iran military in their back.

There are lots of updates etc. https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910091076998735-live-updates-turkeys-offensive-peace-spring-in-northeastern-syria-begins/,
https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13601&sid=54ef239b0c64f32138f389115c2c8492&start=20,
https://syria.liveuamap.com/

But the situation is complex and a lot of propaganda and false claims make the news. Basicly-the Kurds have no air force, Turkey has the second largest NATO army and thousends of proxy fighters. The Kurds do not have a realistic chance to keep positions very long.
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DJ-Main developments on the Turkish invasion in NE Syria will most likely be diplomatic. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-exit-putin-planning-deal-century-between-syria-turkey

The Turks with help from https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/former-us-backed-rebel-leader-now-leading-invasion-against-us-backed-syrian-kurds (and https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/covert-intel-chemical-weapons-reportedly-left-idlib-for-kurdish-turk-war-zone) will get their safetyzone. May get genocidal on the Kurds.

Problem is that the Kurds have created the illusion of their own state without being able to have a proper defense. Since the Kurds do not want to accept Assad government the SAA may be limited in what they can do. (When they would join the Kurds the Kurds want to tell the Syrians what to do-while Syria/Assad wants to tell the Kurds what to do.)

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-govt-rules-out-peace-talks-with-kurdish-forces/ and https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/erdogan-claims-assad-killed-1-million-people-calls-sisi-a-murderer/
DJ-These headlines indicate Russia faces hard negotiations-and most likely (with Iran help-Iran has good relations with both Turkey and Assad-Russia also long term good relations with the Kurds) there may be some "pressure" needed to end the conflicts in Syria.
https://southfront.org/bulgaria-constructs-turk-stream-compressor-stations-before-even-1-km-of-pipeline-is-built/

Russia has several pipelines for oil/gas to the EU. When Turkey is not working good enough with Russia and Iran Russia-Iran-China can stop investments.

Other news;

https://southfront.org/supposed-missile-attack-hits-iranian-oil-tanker-near-saudi-shores/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-just-announce-end-us-primacy-pacific

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-exit-cold-war-era-open-skies-treaty-banning-russian-recon-flights-over-us

DJ-The US foreign policy the last decades made many countries move away from the US. One may even claim that the Yugoslavia-wars caused Russia and China not to trust the "west" (with NATO moving much further east than agreed by the end of the Soviet Union etc.)

Using and dumping the Kurds in Syria remind me of US troops leaving Saigon-South Viet Nam after "vietnamizing" the basicly colonial war the US took over from the French in the sixties.

Without respect you can not have global stability. The powerstruggle in the US https://www.zerohedge.com/political/americas-political-implosion, https://www.zerohedge.com/political/most-voters-agree-trumps-withdrawal-endless-wars may even see the US trying to get a new grip on Syria (with a US no-fly zone from US bases in Iraq, Syria-or maybe even a Russian-US cooperation in such a no fly zone ?).
But for the US the damage is done.

One can not blame Trump for starting the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen. Pulling back US interference may bring an end to those wars closer. (It was a war crime to start these wars-former US presidents-but also other western leaders should face trial).

It is unrealistic to think the US can stay "superpower #1" much longer. For that matter Trump needs to talk with Russia, India, China, the EU etc. not more tradewars and sanctions that-at the end-damage the US most.
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DJ-First images of mass murders by pro-Turkish forces in NE Syria (the same forces the west supported in Idlib as "moderate rebels" eventhough they are linked with alquaida, IS etc. Saudi sponsored terrorists).

https://southfront.org/turkish-backed-forces-execute-head-of-pro-sdf-syrian-political-party/
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/horror-turk-troops-pull-unarmed-civilians-from-cars-and-shoot-them-all-in-syria

DJ-Ofcourse western "media" keeps this out of the news as well;

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/us-and-french-soldiers-injured-by-turkish-artillery-hits-on-their-base-in-syria,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkey-bombed-us-special-forces-by-mistake-in-northern-syria-newsweek/ (Newsweek left out there were US soldiers killed by Turkey-a NATO partner), https://southfront.org/turkish-artillery-accidentally-shelled-us-forces-deployed-in-northern-syria/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/putin-casts-doubt-in-turkeys-ability-to-contain-isis-threat-in-syria/

DJ-There are also reports the US shared info on Kurdish positions with the Turkish Army. https://www.businessinsider.nl/us-shared-intelligence-turkey-may-have-aided-attack-on-kurds-2019-10?international=true&r=US

DJ Afrin gets repeated, the Kurds hang on to an illusion. https://southfront.org/kurdish-led-sdf-cries-foul-over-rapid-turkish-advance-in-northern-syria/

DJ-If there are indeed talks between Turkey and Syria-under Russian/Iran supervision those talks better bring results soon. Syria can not accept the Kurdish NE part of Syria being overrun by pro-Turkish (and IS linked) extremists. Syria can not deal with Turkey on its own.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/trump-brings-troops-back-home-to-saudi-arabia.html
DJ-The "west"keeps doing deals with the main IS sponsor Saudi Arabia. Of course the goal is to control oil and gas. The less people that are around the better. IS has shown to be very good in de-population.
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