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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

What's the latest - Interview by phone with Henry Niman - 2/6/2016 8:00 a.m.

Dr Niman: I have 11 in New York - 14 in Florida - 11 in Texas




He gave this answer yesterday?  There are 51 cases in 9 states.   He is way off his game with this one.

He is also claiming no mutation without doing sequencing.   No samples are available. 

He also needs to understand that a pandemic is not solely based on the number of cases in the U.S., but on worldwide scale.  So although we could have a pandemic by definition, it does not necessarily  mean an event that hits the U.S. hard.   

Like I said, with influenza he's the best, at times.  He's big into vaccines on a business level, and recombination.  If the the virus can't recombine or no reasortment, or if there is no vaccine in play, he probably has no interest.  His answers and lack of knowledge in the interview shows it in my opinion.





This is not what was posted. You need to reread the interview.  There are numbers only from 3 states which were mentioned. This is not all the cases he knew about in the United States.

It is not that the cases are based on the U.S. The statement was that it would be difficult to sustain numbers in colder climates. This would make this more a tropical disease than one that is in the majority of countries.

I think Dr Niman is very informed and highly aware of gene sequences which he has been tracking for decades. I worked with him early on and even after my training in genetics at Stanford University, I still learned a great deal from him as we went through the SARS epidemic and Swine Flu Pandemic.

Some of us have been in the medical profession and acting treating patients for decades.
Seeing patients who have these diseases as did Dr. John Ray my friend and dealing with this in our families through the Pandemic has made us acutely aware and also informed.

There are no financial considerations in this. It is primarily a scholastic interests as well as a human caring and concern for those who suffer and endure these diseases. In this age of exploding technology and also information, no one can keep up to date for new things are constantly emerging daily.

Over and over I continue to stress that a Pandemic is a Pandemic. It is all over. A sweep of a disease through Latin American countries and tropical areas with only one person to person transmission in the United States is not a Pandemic.

I, as I think many of us here on, are watching this one closely.

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I like niman and we go back a decade on certain issues.   He's been fairly insulting over the years, but we both call them the way we see them.    I still attribute him to seeing the swine flu pandemic emerge before anyone else, so he knows what he's talking about in a lot of cases.   He has also been wrong in areas, but no sense in getting into that.  

Still glad that you took the extra step for the interview and it's always good to get his perspective. 

Keep up the good work.

Now - back on track.  
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Okay I am not going to interpret this. Just post it. It appears Zika has mutated.

http://www.kait8.com/story/31063879/zika-gene-replikin-count-at-highest-level-observed


SOURCE Replikins Ltd.

Replikins Ltd. To Begin Testing Zika Synthetic Vaccine

BOSTON, Jan. 26, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Replikins, Ltd. announced today that sequences in the Zika gene have been found to be at the highest levels observed since 1947. Retrospective genomic analysis of the Zika gene shows marked changes in the Zika genome over the past year. 

Previous outbreaks of Zika, in Africa and the Pacific, recorded on PubMed since 1947, never had Replikin counts greater than 9.6.  Zika counts in Brazil this year have reached 13.6.  Furthermore, 75% of the current Zika gene counts are greater than 4.0, the count in the recent Easter Island outbreak in 2014.

Replikins has completed discovery on a synthetic genomic-based peptide vaccine-blocker for Zika virus based on the conserved Replikin sequences in the Zika genome. The company will soon begin testing the efficacy of the Zika synthetic vaccine.

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Zika virus now infecting the U.S. blood supply?

The dreaded Zika virus may have already infected the emergency blood supply in the United States, warn health authorities.

This means Zika is now a much larger potential risk than what we’ve envisioned

http://investmentwatchblog.com/zika-virus-now-infecting-the-u-s-blood-supply/

If this is confirmed then that's big trouble for the American Public, was this the reason the CDC went to level 1 ?

 
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The CDC seems to be fairly quiet on a lot of issues.  There were dozens of suspected cases with pending test results, and the results are not being released.    New York alone is probably sitting at around 30 imported cases is my guess with travel.    With the Chikungunya imported cases in 2014, New York doubled Florida in cases, and it was on Florida's door step.  NY is a huge travel hub.    

Infecting the blood supply is very bad news.   I think there are a few reasons why they quietly went to level 1 with no official announcement.  I think quite of bit of news is about to trickle out.  

Day by day Zika is starting to cause a bigger mess in areas. 



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Once more the voice of reason amidst chaos... people are panicking and as things are currently, there is no reason to.

We are seeing cases in more countries because people are going to Latin America where the disease is spreading and catching it. We still are seeing almost no spread of it in America or Europe sexually or even by touch. As I went over on my post, the 4000 cases in Brazil which were the alarm for this outbreak were not verified. Only 400 or so cases actually were truly confirmed and only 17 of these had the virus in their system.

It now appears it mutated in 2015 and could be more communicable. But it is still not more deadly. Only 20% have symptoms and most recover in less than a week.

It is truly sad to see year after year as we have only very small clusters or infections of a handful of people for a whole state or country, people getting stressed.  Yes, there is an outbreak in Brazil, but still we  have no numbers to sustained spread outside of the infected Latin American countries.

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Zika is China

http://www.ibtimes.com/zika-virus-china-34-year-old-man-who-traveled-venezuela-quarantined-2301274


China reported its first case of Zika virus infection, state media Xinhua News reported Tuesday, citing the National Health and Family Planning Commission (NHFPC). However, health authorities said the risk of the virus spreading was low because of the winter cold.

A 34-year-old man who recently traveled to Venezuela showed symptoms of fever, headache and dizziness, Xinhua reported. The man, who hails from Ganxian county of Jiangxi province, has been quarantined at a local hospital since Feb. 6, the report added.

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http://www.globalpost.com/article/6729199/2016/02/04/zika-venezuela-worse-brazil

The actual outbreak of Zika may be far worse in Venezuela.

LIMA, Peru — The world’s attention may be focused on the Zika outbreak in Brazil, but there’s a chance the spread of the disease could be even more intense in neighboring Venezuela.

That is the conclusion of doctors in the crisis-hit South American nation, whose response to the virus has been hampered by a collapsing health system and the government’s failure to release reliable numbers about the spread of the mosquito-borne disease.

Last week, Venezuela’s Health Minister Luisana Melo said the country had 4,700 suspected cases of Zika. 

Doctors in Brazil fear the virus is responsible for a spike in cases of microcephaly, babies born with unusually small heads and potential brain damage. The worst affected state is Pernambuco, in the Brazilian northeast, near Venezuela. Zika has also been associated with the rare and debilitating Guillain-Barre syndrome in adults.

comment: We are getting reports of disease now spreading to other countries from Venezuela
Julio Castro, a professor of tropical epidemiology at the Central University of Venezuela, told GlobalPost he believed between 250,000 and 400,000 people had been infected with Zika in Venezuela.

He calculated those numbers by feeding the government’s limited official data and other reports of unexplained fever cases into epidemiological and mathematical models, he said.

comment: This is still not a Pandemic. There are only two countries which have large numbers of cases and very small numbers in the rest of the world. This Spring and Summer as mosquitoes wake up in colder climate countries Zika could set up reservoirs of infection and we may see it spread more in the United States and Europe.

What I am a little concerned about is the lack of tracking of other diseases such as the Flu in the U.S. - MRSA and other recent mutated pathogens. The Zika crisis is flooding the media.

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Is this hype or was it true, as I initially posted that only 17 cases had the virus present from the tests done in Brazil?

http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2987137/argentine_and_brazilian_doctors_suspect_mosquito_insecticide_as_cause_of_microcephaly.html

There is possibility that this, not Zika has been the cause of the outbreaks in Brazil and Venezuela.

The New York Times also reported on 3rd February on the outcome of analyses by Brazil's Health Ministry: "Of the cases examined so far, 404 have been confirmed as having microcephaly. Only 17 of them tested positive for the Zika virus. But the government and many researchers say that number may be largely irrelevant, because their tests would find the presence of the virus in only a tiny percentage of cases."

And last weekend, the most powerful indicator yet that the microcephaly may have another cause altogether was announced by Colombia's president, Juan Manuel Santos, as reported by the Washington Post. Colombian public health officials, stated Santos, have so far diagnosed 3,177 pregnant women with the Zika virus- but in no case had microcephaly been observed in the foetus.

comment: I have been saying this for a week.

Argentine doctors: it's the insecticide

Now a new report has been published by the Argentine doctors' organisation, Physicians in the Crop-Sprayed Towns (PCST), [1] which not only challenges the theory that the Zika virus epidemic in Brazil is the cause of the increase in microcephaly among newborns, but proposes an alternative explanation.

According to PCST, the Ministry failed to recognise that in the area where most sick people live, a chemical larvicide that produces malformations in mosquitoes was introduced into the drinking water supply in 2014.

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I still believe the most important factor in determining a pandemic, or the future thereof, is whether or not Zika can spread via sexual transmission in asymptomatic cases.  The CDC is uncertain of this and they are not ruling it out, but by virtue of 1.5 mill cases in Brazil in a matter of months, I think the answer is obvious.



Anyway, CDC can't rule out spread by asymptomatic carriers:

In all three cases, the men developed symptomatic illness. Whether infected men who never develop symptoms can transmit Zika virus to their sex partners is unknown. Sexual transmission of Zika virus from infected women to their sex partners has not been reported. Sexual transmission of many infections, including those caused by other viruses, is reduced by consistent and correct use of latex condoms.

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Memorandum from CDC - excerpt:
http://www.cdc.gov/zika/pdfs/denvchikvzikv-testing-algorithm.pdf

IgM antibodies typically persist for approximately 2-12 weeks. In patients with a compatible clinical syndrome, serum collected as early as 4 days after illness onset can be tested by Zika, chikungunya, and dengue virus-specific IgM ELISA and positive results confirmed by testing for neutralizing antibodies (Figure 1).
Due to serological cross-reactivity between flaviviruses, current IgM antibody assays cannot reliably distinguish between Zika and dengue virus infections. Therefore, an IgM positive result in a dengue or Zika IgM ELISA test should be considered indicative of a recent flavivirus infection. Plaque-reduction neutralization tests (PRNT) can be performed to measure virus-specific neutralizing antibodies and may be able to determine the cause of primary flavivirus infection. In patients who have received yellow fever or Japanese encephalitis vaccination or infected with another flavivirus in the past, cross-reactive antibodies in both the IgM and neutralizing antibody assays may make it difficult to identify which flavivirus is causing the patient’s current illness.
Serologic testing for Zika virus infection may be performed on serum specimens from asymptomatic pregnant women (Figure 2). Serologic test interpretation is complex; a positive IgM result can be difficult to interpret since cross-reactivity can occur with related flaviviruses. PRNT may be able to discriminate between cross-reacting antibodies in primary flavivirus infections. In addition, a negative Zika IgM result obtained 2 to 12 weeks after travel suggests that infection did not occur. Based on experience with other flaviviruses, we expect that antibodies will be present at least 2 weeks after virus exposure and persist for at least 12 weeks. Information about the performance of serologic testing of asymptomatic individuals is limited.
As with any diagnostic test, while a negative Zika IgM or RT-PCR test would suggest that an infection has not occurred, a negative Zika IgM or RT-PCR test result does not rule out infection with Zika virus.
For additional information, please see Update: Interim Guidelines for Health Care Providers Caring for Pregnant Women and Women of Reproductive Age with Possible Zika Virus Exposure — United States, 2016 (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm6505e2er.htm).

comment: From what I've seen so far and people I have talked to the PCR tests which can be done in several hours might be more accurate.

Criteria for Dengue testing is here:
http://www.cdc.gov/dengue/clinicalLab/laboratory.html

comment: There can be false positive as well as mix-ups between those with Dengue and those with Zika.

http://www.cdc.gov/zika/hc-providers/diagnostic.html

During the first week after onset of symptoms, Zika virus disease can often be diagnosed by performing reverse transcriptase-polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) on serum. Virus-specific IgM and neutralizing antibodies typically develop toward the end of the first week of illness; cross-reaction with related flaviviruses (e.g., dengue and yellow fever viruses) is common and may be difficult to discern. Plaque-reduction neutralization testing can be performed to measure virus-specific neutralizing antibodies and discriminate between cross-reacting antibodies in primary flavivirus infections.

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http://beta.www.cbsnews.com/news/guillain-barre-syndrome-paralysis-rises-along-with-zika-cases/

The U.N. health body in Geneva said in a weekly report that Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS), which can cause temporary paralysis, has been reported in Brazil, Colombia, El Salvador, Suriname and Venezuela.

However,

the health agency said "the cause of the increase in GBS incidence ... remains unknown, especially as dengue, chikungunya and Zika virus have all been circulating simultaneously in the Americas."

While "no scientific evidence to date confirms a link between Zika virus and microcephaly or GBS," the agency pointed out that GBS was also observed during the 2013-14 Zika virus outbreak in French Polynesia.

comment: there needs to be more than just a rise in cases in these areas of GBS. As was reported and posted elsewhere there also has been a massive use of pesticide which may very likely be causing these deformities for almost two years at least.

https://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2016/02/15/latin-american-scientists-say-zika-pesticide-causes-microcephaly/

While the link between the mosquito-borne virus and microcephaly has yet to be scientifically proven, Argentinian and Brazilian doctors have suggested an alternate culprit: pesticides.

The report, written by the Argentine group Physicians in the Crop-Sprayed Towns (PCST), suspects that pyriproxyfen—a larvicide added to drinking water to stop the development of mosquito larvae in drinking water tanks—has caused the birth defects.

The authors said that the pesticide, known by its commercial name SumiLarv, is manufactured by Sumitomo Chemical, a Japanese subsidiary of Monsanto.

According to PCST, in 2014, the Brazilian Ministry of Health introduced pyriproxyfen to drinking-water reservoirs in the state of Pernambuco, where the proliferation of the Zika-carrying Aedes aegypti mosquito is very high.

“Malformations detected in thousands of children from pregnant women living in areas where the Brazilian state added pyriproxyfen to drinking water is not a coincidence, even though the Ministry of Health places a direct blame on Zika virus for this damage, while trying to ignore its responsibility and ruling out the hypothesis of direct and cumulative chemical damage caused by years of endocrine and immunological disruption of the a acted population,” PCST said.

As it happens, the northeast state has registered the largest number of cases of microcephaly. Pernambuco, the first state to detect the problem, has roughly 35 percent of the total microcephaly cases across Brazil.

The reality is that it may take as long for them to get their act together and establish a "scientifically proven" link as it does for them to make a vaccine... years. Perhaps the old phrase primum nil nocere - First do no harm- might apply here.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/greekmedicine/f/HippocraticOath.htm

In attempting to stop the mosquito carrying Zika virus, they are causing many birth defects in children - the cure or prevention of the virus may be worse than the disease.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyriproxyfen

On February 13, the Brazilian state of Rio Grande do Sul suspended pyriproxyfen's use, citing both Abrasco and PCST positions.[13][14]

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The Bible does not condone spells says they are of the Devil.
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My cousin had HIV and that was just at the time they had developed the "cocktail" which saved his life. There are still effective drugs which can be used to halt or stop HIV in the body.  Before I would resort to the other - perhaps just some basic medicine that works would be a lot safer. Of course anyone who heals from anything is a plus, and like in Voodoo - sometimes it is the faith in the cure or healer far more than the holy man. Jesus said
"It is your faith that hath made you well."

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51And answering him, Jesus said, "What do you want Me to do for you?" And the blind man said to Him, "Rabboni, I want to regain my sight!" 52And Jesus said to him, "Go; your faith has made you well." Immediately he regained his sight and began following Him on the road.

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2 Chronicles 33King James Version (KJV)

33 Manasseh was twelve years old when he began to reign, and he reigned fifty and five years in Jerusalem:

But did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord, like unto the abominations of the heathen, whom the Lord had cast out before the children of Israel.

For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.

Also he built altars in the house of the Lord, whereof the Lord had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.

And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the Lord.

And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger.

And he set a carved image, the idol which he had made, in the house of God, of which God had said to David and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen before all the tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever:

Neither will I any more remove the foot of Israel from out of the land which I have appointed for your fathers; so that they will take heed to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.

So Manasseh made Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to err, and to do worse than the heathen, whom the Lord had destroyed before the children of Israel.

10 And the Lord spake to Manasseh, and to his people: but they would not hearken.

11 Wherefore the Lord brought upon them the captains of the host of the king of Assyria, which took Manasseh among the thorns, and bound him with fetters, and carried him to Babylon.

12 And when he was in affliction, he besought the Lord his God, and humbled himself greatly before the God of his fathers,

13 And prayed unto him: and he was intreated of him, and heard his supplication, and brought him again to Jerusalem into his kingdom. Then Manasseh knew that the Lord he was God.

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