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http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=360653&comments=1#comments

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Originally posted by debracanice debracanice wrote:

There is no way I can ever see the Amercans getting universal care
One there are too many arguments and sad stories from either side

too amny died from not getting treatment because of prexisting conditions

or no coverage at all

In the end the doctors and the insurarance companies will flood the media witve died fh their side.

How many died because of the lack of any insurance .

Truthfully the Canandain system could use more  cash

I would go after welfare fraud , that rambant everywhere .,

especailly Cananda 

  


No problem in Canada's death cult. The limo socialists head to the US to get competent health care when the Candian government tries to kill them for the good of the collective!
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Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

And he also got 2 standing ovations which you conveniently left out.
 


You are right. The socialist got a standing ovation when he pleaded that he would lose this opportunity to wreck our health care system if he could not gain the agreement of America's doctors to become government employees.

All hail the failure of Obamamessiah to socialize anymore of America's private industry and wrack up more oppression, deficits and interest payments!
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The Truest Take We'll Get On President Obama.
email | 6/15/2009 | Dr. Sam Vaknin

Dr. Vaknin states "I must confess I was impressed by Sen.Barack Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident - a wholesome presidential package.

I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history.. Never a politician in this land had such quasi "religious" impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects."

Barack Obama is a narcissist.

Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the Malignant Self Love believes "Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist." Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism everyone listens. Vaknin says that Obama's language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves. Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of People's Temple, the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao,Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life. They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom. When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don't know it until it is too late. One determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse.

"Obama's early life was decidedly chaotic and replete with traumatic and mentally bruising dislocations," says Vaknin. "Mixed-race marriages were even less common then. His parents went through a divorce when he was an infant (two years old). Obama saw his father only once again, before he died in a car accident. Then his mother re-married and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia , a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father. At the age of ten, he was whisked off to live with his maternal (white) grandparents. He saw his mother only intermittently in the following few years and then she vanished from his life in 1979. She died of cancer in 1995".

One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them.. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service. The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents. Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and does not deserve their attention. If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it. The "present" vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him. Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations.

The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father.

Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self.. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself? Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless. As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama's lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month.

A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who has raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power.

A narcissist cares for no one but himself.. This election is like no other in the history of America . The issues are insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world? I hate to sound alarmist, but one is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are narcissists. They pose no threat to others...They are simply self serving and selfish.

Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example. To him reality and fantasy are intertwined. This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw. Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous.

Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple. The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites. The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama's detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites.

The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960's.

Obama will set the clock back decades... America is the bastion of freedom. The peace of the world depends on the strength of America , and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations.

It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castrists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House. America is on the verge of destruction. There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president.
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ABC's Obama Health Care Infomercial
Drudge has a story that is so unbelievable that I am almost left speechless. On the 24th of June, they will host a primetime special entitled "'Prescription for America". They will report from the East Room of the White House. They will host a townhall meeting. The entire day will feature news stories on Good Morning America, WORLD NEWS, NIGHTLINE, and on their web site about President Obama's health care plan. At the same time, they have rejected the RNC's request to be included in the special to voice an alternative view.

In totalitarian regimes, the media becomes nothing more than a propaganda arm of the regime. A great example of this is Pravda in Russia. Our democracy is dependent on a vigorous press that acts as a watchdog on the government. It relies on a free press that maintains its independence and strives at all times to present all sides of a story. Whenever our free press limits its vigourous pursuit of these goals, our democracy is threatened.

This ABC special is an example of rank propaganda. I don't necessarily have a problem with rank propaganda as long as it is identified as such. Daily Kos makes no bones about which politician it supports. Yet, the worst part about what ABC is doing is that they are claiming to be balanced and objective all the while allowing propaganda. Here is how ABC's VP Kerry Smith characterized the special.


ABCNEWS prides itself on covering all sides of important issues and asking direct questions of all newsmakers -- of all political persuasions -- even when others have taken a more partisan approach and even in the face of criticism from extremes on both ends of the political spectrum.

ABCNEWS is looking for the most thoughtful and diverse voices on this issue. "ABCNEWS alone will select those who will be in the audience asking questions of the president. Like any programs we broadcast, ABC News will have complete editorial control. To suggest otherwise is quite unfair to both our journalists and our audience."



Propaganda only works when the audience thinks they are getting fair and objective reporting. For ABC to turn the 24th of June into an Obama health care infomercial is bad enough. For ABC to deny it is downright dangerous.
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Don't ya just love the way the Federal government has taken care of our social security retirement funds? They will do even better taking care of your health care dollars!
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Senate sources say the latest cost estimates for health care legislation are around $1.6 trillion over 10 years. Two Senate staffers, one Democratic and one Republican, said Congressional Budget Office estimates put the cost of the Finance Committee version of the bill at around $1.6 trillion.

A third staffer, a Finance Committee Democratic aide, indicated committee members are working to lower the cost to less than $1 trillion over 10 years, a level preferred by the Obama administration.

The staffers spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of negotiations over the legislation.

Cost problems have slowed work on the sweeping legislation.

Comment: I see now that Obama will save us money by taking over the health care industry. The trillion he is going to save from Medicare is called killing the old people who have paid into the socialized medical system for their whole lives.

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How many of you have Insurance?i just wonder if you would were without it if you would feel the sameway!!?? 
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Originally posted by DANNYKELLEY DANNYKELLEY wrote:

How many of you have Insurance?i just wonder if you would were without it if you would feel the sameway!!?? 


We currently have health care for the poor and unemployed.

We don't have health care for illegals unless they show up at an ER and then Mexico and other Nations get free health care for their citizens, too.

Many of the young/part time workers choose not to pay for health care as they don't see themselves needing it; risk caculation wise. It is wrong not to carry minimal cost catastrophic health care - which is available to all - cheap.

College students are covered by their parents until they get jobs.

The eldery are covered - at least they were until the socialist doubled our National debt.

What are you talking about? Who, What, When and Where and does it justify all of us losing our health care system and freedom to serve this population?
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Our income has dropped 70% over the last 2 yrs,Our health insurance has jumped 300% over the last 4 yrs" $1200.00 per month"We had to drop our insurance and get a very major medical policy. .Where the hell can a family of 7 find afordable insurance.I dont think you people have any ideal how many can not find a job that offers insurance. WE have owned a small diner for 25yrs and have never been without insurance until now.If the  Gov. can make it a  more afordable for those without I am all for it.

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Question for all of you ,Where do you work and what is your out of pocket cost for your health insurance .knowing this info would let me no exactly where you are coming from.
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I have lived both in the US as well as in France, Canada and Asia. I'm currently living and working in a developing nation in the South Pacific. I've seen just about every medical system available. Socialized Medicine is not the demon that many people here believe. While I'm not a huge fan of anything the Obama campaign believes in, I do think that many people in our country have been fed misinformation by the insurance companies media system. Everytime this issue rears its head, these companies throw MILLIONS into the media to spread biased misinformation. Case in point, when Hillary (at least she didn't become Prez, thats something there at least) was pushing her socialized medicine hype in 1996, the insurance companies spent 100 MILLION in an ad campaign to garner public disfavor! (source:  "Who killed health care reform? Answer: Everyone," News & Observer, June 19, 1996.)
 
Here are some FACTS about health care.
1. The United States is ranked #37 as a health system by the World Health Organization.
 
2.There are four times as many health care lobbyists as there are members of Congress.
 
3. Canada, France, England AND CUBA all have a form of socialized medicine. And all of these countries, INCLUDING CUBA!!!, live LONGER lives than we do. The 2006 United Nations Human Development Report's human development index states the life expectancy in the United States is 77.5, 77.6 in Cuba, the United Kingdom is 78.5, France is 79.6, and Canada is 80.2.
 
4. A baby born in El Salvador has a better chance of surviving than a baby born in Detroit.
According to the United Nations Statistics Division, Population and Vital Statistics Report, the rate of infant deaths per thousand in El Salvador is 10.5. According to the Michigan Department of Community Health, the rate of infant deaths for Detroit is 15.9 per thousand.
 
Feel free to respond to these FACTS with some carefully CITED facts of your own.
 
Also, to the post above mine; You say that if you didn't have insurance that you would just find a way to get some. Its not always that easy when the insurance company is focused on profits, not people. I started my own business in my early 20s and went out to get my own insurance. I was a healthy, non smoker, 180 lbs, 5'11 and I worked out regularly. I was shocked though when I was labeled as being "uninsurable". I had had a severe back injury a few years before that had healed due to intensive physical therapy. But I was still denied by Blue Shield and another company I applied for. I went without insurance for 4 years. Luckily now I have coverage through my employer. But just know that many, many people who want insurance cannot get it - and not because they are not working, but because they are not considered a good economic investment but the insurance companies.
 
I'm not arguing for socialized medicine, I'm just arguing against the campaign of misinformation that has been spread by the corporate machine for to long. Many of you here are always talking about conspiracies and things of that nature (like someone who was theorizing that the banks had started the swine flu to distract from the economic downturn), while missing the largest danger to our nation - the corporations.
Our founding fathers wisely understood the extreme dangers that corporations pose to democaracy; they saw first hand the evil perpetuated by the Corporation called the "east india company". They were so against corporations that fictitous business entities were illegal when the country was founded. - if you are unaware of this then please educate yourself. Even the Boston Tea Party, which many view as being a response against the English Government, was truely aimed at rejecting the Tyrancial control of the East India Company - a corporation.
 
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"The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, and more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces as public enemies, all who question it's methods or throw light upon it's crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the Bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe.. corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money powers of the country will endeavor to prolong it's reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed.   Abraham Lincoln

 

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Thank you sunburn!!Clap
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After rereading my post, I thought that perhaps my infant death statistic might be misleading. That high rate is only in Detroit.
Our rate is not that bad as a country. HOWEVER, we are still ranked 44th out of the entire world.
Countries that have a lower infant mortality rate than us include:
Slovania
Taiwan
South Korea
Czech Republic
And of course, all 4 of the countries mentioned in my earlier post as having socialized medicine: Canada, France, UK and CUBA.
 
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Oh, come on Sunburn! You have the nerve or ignorance to mention Cuba's wonderful socialized health care system? Man, learn to read! If you can not afford a book, the internet is full of photo evidence of the health care conditions imposed on those poor, abused people by the Cuban government.

It may be terrorism to even threaten Americans with that kind of oppression and poison!

I have traveled and lived in European Nations, too. Americans abroad who I know, go to the USA for important health care procedures when needed. So do the rich of France, Britan, Canada, etc.

Mexico's socialized system served them to dandy deaths during the swine flu episode. What was their death rate compared to ours?

You think Americans were born yesterday?
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I cited my information. Where is your citation?
I never said that Cuba had a better system than us. I just pointed out that statistically they live longer and have healtier babies than we do.

And who mentioned Mexico? Of course they have a horrible system.
 
And no, I don't htink Americans were born yesterday. I am an American.
 
And as to your friends living abroad, every American who lives in my area goes to either the Philippines or India when they need medical treatment. They have very affordable treatment there and the doctors are highly skilled.
 
And aren't you being just a little close minded to respond to a call for open discussion by throwing around the "terrorism" word?
 
And finally, if you actually read my post - I am not for either this administration nor what they are pushing. What I AM FOR is people seeing beyond the corporate sponsered misinformation.
 
So instead of a small minded, uncited and aggressive personal attack ("learn to read"..."if you cannot afford a book"), why don't you elevate yourself to a place where you can have an intellectual debate where facts and logical points are exchanged - rather than insults.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/galleries/cubahealth/pages/page13.html

Here you go, Sunburn. This article talks about the beauty of Cubans living with a shortage of common medicines in Utopia.

   

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noflu4u - yes, I did get insurance.
I am lucky enough to have the resources and training that makes me attractive to companies that offer health care options.
 
Are you suggesting that the 54 million uninsured Americans are just lazy?
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Sara123:
 
That questionable article (the media is just the voice box of corporate america) does not refute any of the facts I presented.
 
Try again please.
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My point in mentioning CUBA, sara123, was that they have a HORRIBLE HEALTHCARE system. But they've still managed to live longer than us and have healthier babies.
 
I never said that they have a good system or that its better than ours.
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LOLThats what I call putting someone in there place. 

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"A society is judged by how it treats the least among them.”
- Ghandi
 
"The moral test of a government is how it treats those who are at the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the aged; and those who are in the shadow of life, the sick and the needy, and the handicapped." - Hubert Humphrey
 
"Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members -- the last, the least, the littlest."
~Cardinal Roger Mahony, In a 1998 letter, Creating a Culture of Life
 
"A society will be judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members and among the most vulnerable are surely the unborn and the dying,"
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Matthew, Chapter 25:
Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the world's foundation:
25:35 for I hungered, and ye gave me to eat; I thirsted, and ye gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me in;
25:36 naked, and ye clothed me; I was ill, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came to me.
25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungering, and nourished thee; or thirsting, and gave thee to drink?
25:38 and when saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in; or naked, and clothed thee?
25:39 and when saw we thee ill, or in prison, and came to thee?
25:40 And the King answering shall say to them, Verily, I say to you, Inasmuch as ye have done it to one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it to me.
 
And my favorite:
"Let's say that it was 24 hours before you were born, and a genie appeared and said, 'What I'm going to do is let you set the rules of the society into which you will be born. You can set the economic rules and the social rules, and whatever rules you set will apply during your lifetime and your children's lifetimes.' And you'll say, 'Well, that's nice, but what's the catch?' And the genie says, 'Here's the catch. You don't know if you're going to be born rich or poor, white or black, male or female, able-bodied or infirm, intelligent or retarded.'
- Warren Buffet
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Once more,what kind of out of pocket do you have to pay for insurance,what kind of work do you do.
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Union ,nonunion???free insurane at the cost of others??? 
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gov employeeBig%20smile
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Insurance executive???
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As long as CNN refers to the Canadain system as socialized you going to stay the staus quo .
Shame but you would think that your media is not biased and not controlled by the media
I love that our worst credic of the C anandian system is in your prison
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point is only the super rich can afford to drop it
How do you afford the coverage
What does the average person pay for insurance 
 
 
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Sunburn, stop trying to make Jesus into a socialist Messiah. You already have Obamamessiah. You can't have Jesus, too. The guy was not as crazy about Ceasar as you are. : )
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Healthcare dollars
The insurance comapanies make money at your expense
its a profit making business
What happens when  its not for profit what if that money was avaible for your cancer treatment, research
 
 
 
 
 
   
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To damn much!Around $12,000.00 a year for a family of 7 with a $2500.00 doller deductable per person!!!!!There are a few who get a good deal due to there employer so they say the hell with the others .there are alot of spoiled people here.
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Originally posted by Sara123 Sara123 wrote:

Sunburn, stop trying to make Jesus into a socialist Messiah. You already have Obamamessiah. You can't have Jesus, too. The guy was not as crazy about Ceasar as you are. : )

Wow Sara, everytime you open your mouth some misconstrued statement falls out onto the internet.
 
How exactly did I make Jesus into a socialist messiah? I simply quoted him, along with a collection of others (whom you've ignored), as a means to add to the conversation.
 
Further, I previously said that I am not a fan of Obama. I am not "crazy about Ceasar". I did not vote for him.
 
Finally, I can have Jesus too. Everyone can. Please don't represent that yourself as having an exclusive right to the saviour.
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Originally posted by DANNYKELLEY DANNYKELLEY wrote:

<FONT style=": #000000">Our income has dropped 70% over the last 2 yrs,Our health insurance has jumped 300% over the last 4 yrs" $1200.00 per month"We had to drop our insurance and get a very major medical policy. .Where the hell can a family of 7 find afordable insurance.I dont think you people have any ideal how many can not find a job that offers insurance. WE have owned a small diner for 25yrs and have never been without insurance until now.If the  Gov. can make it a  more afordable for those without I am all for it.



So, now the truth comes out. Dannykelly wants everyone in America to submit to socialized medical care and employment so he can get his family of seven covered for "free."

There you have, it folks. And the sacrifice of your freedom and life will be in the name of a socialist Jesus.

Can't someone point dannykelly to the nearest welfare office so he can get the government to pay the health care bills for his seven kids without wrecking the health care system and enslaving everyone else.

Can anyone help poor dannykelly get a damn job?
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I never heard the numbers before

  vrs nothing
and dont tell me I dont get quality medicare
My Doctor I can see is a week or a day depending on what i need
I know what care I get . I get what I need .The only decision is a imformed decision
 
 
Still the important Clap thing here is the exchange imforamation  
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Originally posted by debracanice debracanice wrote:

Healthcare dollars
The insurance comapanies make money at your expense
its a profit making business
What happens when  its not for profit what if that money was avaible for your cancer treatment, research
 
But those profits are used towards research. The high price of drugs and treatments in our country represent the enormous expenditures involved in researching and developing new treatments.
 
Without profits there would be no impetus for these companies to research new techniques and treatments.
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Originally posted by Sara123 Sara123 wrote:

 

So, now the truth comes out. Dannykelly wants everyone in America to submit to socialized medical care and employment so he can get his family of seven covered for "free."

There you have, it folks. And the sacrifice of your freedom and life will be in the name of a socialist Jesus.

Can't someone point dannykelly to the nearest welfare office so he can get the government to pay the health care bills for his seven kids without wrecking the health care system and enslaving everyone else.

Can anyone help poor dannykelly get a damn job?
 
Why do you feel the need to attack people who have different opinions? Your personal attacks only make yourself look bad. Perhaps you lack the ability to participate in a discussion without resorting to name calling and insults?
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freedom of life . are you kidding , some stupid socialist phrase and everyone runs scared
 
Cant afford , let me hear the numbers again was that         
vrs free our right to medical care
 
 
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canada does research and drugs are not all covered in any countries universal health care
So the research would go on .
And truthfully what percent of the profits is used for reasearch five percent less
 
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Please don't make just make up a fact. If you are going to claim that only 5% of profits go towards research and development then you are going to have to back it up.

Otherwise you are just full of *$#%.
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