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    Posted: February 28 2006 at 9:14am
Flamingo deaths spark bird flu probe in Bahamas


28 Feb 2006 16:03:36 GMT
Source: Reuters

By John Marquis

NASSAU, Bahamas, Feb 28 (Reuters) - Health experts were dispatched on
Tuesday to the southern Bahamas island of Inagua to find out if an
unexplained spate of bird deaths was linked to a deadly bird flu virus that
is spreading around the globe.

Over the past two days, 15 of the island's famed flamingos, five roseate
spoonbills and one cormorant have been found dead with no external
injuries on the island just north of Haiti, officials said.

Scientists from the Bahamas Ministry of Agriculture and the Department
of Environmental Health will gather samples from the birds and then
submit them for laboratory analysis.

"Anything is possible in nature. You have birds that fly around the world,"
said Minister of Agriculture and Marine Resources Leslie Miller, declining
to rule out the H5N1 bird flu strain that has killed at least 93 people and
spread to 20 new countries in the past month alone.

"But let's hope to God that that is not the case here in the Bahamas,"
Miller said.

The H5N1 virus is endemic in birds across parts of Asia but has since
spread to Europe and Africa. Experts fear it could mutate into a form
more easily passed between humans and trigger a pandemic in which
millions could die.

Bahamas National Trust president Glenn Bannister said he had never
known such a large number of bird deaths in the Bahamas at one time.

"This is a very large number of birds to be found dead at Inagua. This is
highly unusual," he said.

Inagua is the second largest breeding ground for flamingos outside of
Africa.

Although the three species affected on the island are not migratory birds,
Bannister said they come into contact with geese and ducks that migrate
to Inagua during the winter.

"Migrating birds are in Inagua all the time," he said. "Every winter they
mix right in with the other birds in the ponds. If this is West Nile or bird
flu, it will not be good for our bird population."

Inagua is the southernmost island of the Bahamas chain, lying about 60
miles (100 km) from the northern coast of Haiti. It is a large sparsely
populated island known primarily for sea salt production
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Sorry; couldn't resist.

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I received a call from my older brother in San Juan , Puerto Rico last night very upset because there was a very sick pelican in his back yard !!! he lives very close to the beach , soooooo ?????????? I wonder if it is getting closer ! 

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Pola:  My sister lives by the beach in the San Juan area, and has told me she has heard news of sick birds in quite a few islands in or around the CAribbean,?? 
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Maybe now, people believe me about South and Central America?

Columbia got Flu from the Ocean
It came across in Chinese cargo ships.
But now they claim it's in remission,
Yet, no one in their right mind believes it
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The Bahamas are dead center on a migratory route that goes from Canada to South America. This route passes very close to the U.S., and it shouldn't be more than one to two months before we finally recognize BF here (probably already here, but not discovered yet).
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Originally posted by Tansau Tansau wrote:



Sorry; couldn't resist.


    

They look more like hurricane than bird flu victims.

Flu me once, shame on you......
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joe - I have always believed you on southern america, i was watching that area myself when i first joined this site..

 

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Joe I too have always believed you on South and Central America...we just could not be THAT lucky to miss the bullet!

Tansau!

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Joe has a really good point and I want to expand it a bit...all those ships going back and forth and all that bird poop on the decks..and sailor gets flu and touches said poop and then comes home to love ones for a bit...amazing how one sentence can make you understand how many mores ways this could explode...
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June 2005.

http://www.le.ac.uk/ua/pr/press/backpackingflamingos.html
http://www.defra.gov.uk/news//2003/030324a.htm


* Do I detect a pattern?
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well i'll give you the preliminary report:  It's not bird flu.

Now i'll give you the final report (which comes out in 3 weeks): It is bird flu

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Originally posted by JoeNeubarth JoeNeubarth wrote:

Maybe now, people believe me about South and Central America?

Pfffft!  Oh, c'mon, it's clearly Newcastle's disease.
I had a little bird,
his name was Enza;
I opened the window,
and influenza.
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Thats to close for comfort now. I better finish my preps. My problem is I'm in a cast I will be in it for another month or so. My luck is its on my leg. Insert dirty words here(....................................................... ..........).

 I could see me..."honey would you go to the store for me? I need 20 jars of peanut butter. "

 

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Make some Pemican (sp?) instead, keeps as long and no trans-fats.
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Originally posted by fafhrd fafhrd wrote:


Originally posted by JoeNeubarth JoeNeubarth wrote:

Maybe now, people believe me about South and
Central America?

Pfffft!  Oh, c'mon, it's clearly Newcastle's disease.




I found her outside my bedroom window recently, guess it's
NewCastle's, public health wasn't interested. First time in 20-years, also the
warmest winter in 20-years, lots of bird feeders around. Go figure!
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Yeah, that's quite disturbing.  How did you dispose of the corpse?  What did the health department say exactly, if you don't mind? 
I had a little bird,
his name was Enza;
I opened the window,
and influenza.
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They said I would have to find a lab and pay for the PCR
analysis myself. They were only interested in West Nile Virus and not until
the Spring. The first-world imitates the third-world.


In light of recent events and prouncements, I felt there was nothing further
to be accomplished and that I could use my time and money better by
preparing for what might happen in within 18-months, according the the
world's leading virologists.

I have her double-bagged on ice in the garage. I'll give her a decent burial,
once the ground thaws.
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What a pack of fools.  You'd probably have better luck getting it tested if you were in the 3rd world.  It just boggles the mind that some are taking this so lightly.  Great way to encourage civic responsibility as well.  
I had a little bird,
his name was Enza;
I opened the window,
and influenza.
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 WHO Report....

The flamongos in this photo died from

 lack of legs which led to starvation.

They do not have the plastic bird flu.

Speculation is the only tool we have with a threat that can circle the globe in 30 days. Test results&news is slow.Factor in human conditions,politics, money&bingo!The truth!Facts come after the fact.
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I'm laughing so hard right now I can't stand it!!!!
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Quote The flamongos in this photo died from.......


Uh, wouldn't those be flumongos?
Flu me once, shame on you......
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Originally posted by Tansau Tansau wrote:

Sorry; couldn’t resist.

 

For just a second there...  I thought it was real.  What a shock!

You should be ashamed of yourself,  Tansau.  

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oh man this could be very bad news
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Yes, very  bad news indeed.

I am going to cruise the neighborhood with my 

 12 gage sawed off pump and start culling plastic flamingos.

It could spread to other lawn ornaments!  Who's with me?

I'm bring my Gnome in side!

Speculation is the only tool we have with a threat that can circle the globe in 30 days. Test results&news is slow.Factor in human conditions,politics, money&bingo!The truth!Facts come after the fact.
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Originally posted by Corn Corn wrote:

Yes, very  bad news indeed.

I am going to cruise the neighborhood with my 

 12 gage sawed off pump and start culling plastic flamingos.

It could spread to other lawn ornaments!  Who's with me?

I'm bring my Gnome in side!

 

 

I'm with yeah, grabs her nine millimeter

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Corn,the members  only ,TIKI ROOM would love to invite you and your GNOME to our PARTY !!!!!!!

For more information :

Visit us at,members only ,TIKI ROOM .

 

                                    PS:

                                    NO,plastic flamingos

                                     aloud,please!

 

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 nice to see humor come out of all of this.

hangs up sign reading no plastic flamingos please or will be slaughtered on attempted entry

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Originally posted by Corn Corn wrote:

Yes, very  bad news indeed.........

...It could spread to other lawn ornaments!  Who's with me?





Be very careful!    We all know what happens when gnomes go bad.




Flu me once, shame on you......
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Oh I love humor due to panic, nothing is better. thanks everyone, I tuned in worried and concerned of what todays news of the flu-flumingoes was going to be. And I find myself laughing my @#$% off.
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You know I'm gonna have to move this entire thread to OT don't ya.

We should be ashamed of ourselves (not).

But seriously, we have trashed two threads.  I can see we need major stress diversion around here.

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I hate to mess up your humor but I have an intersting thought. I am a big fan of hummingbirds and track their migrations religously every year on a map (hummingbird migrations) and usually by this time of year they are half way up the gulf coast states (Alabama, Mississippi) Just checked my map and not ONE bird sited as of this dated. The web site owner cannot explain this. I think I can.............They are comming from south america. An area that has been very quiet on the avian flu front. Please I would like to hear your opinions
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Carman, that's not good news.

Please keep us posted on anything you find out.

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Originally posted by carmannurse carmannurse wrote:

...... and usually by this time of year they are half
way up the gulf coast states (Alabama, Mississippi).....   

That doesn't sound good. Have they ever been late before?

Flu me once, shame on you......
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No flu, I have never seen the map at this time of year with NO sitings. The hair on the back of my neck is starting to stand on end!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh dear. Are there any reports where they were last seen? Have any been
reported in South America or do birdwatchers even track them there?
Have there been any storms which could have gotten them off course?
This is worrisome.




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that is so sad. I love the hummingbirds
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FACTBOX-WHO figures for bird flu cases in humans
01 Mar 2006 17:05:28 GMT
Source: Reuters
March 1 (Reuters) - The World Health Organisation (WHO) confirmed on Wednesday that bird flu was the cause of death of a 39-year-old man who died in Iraq in January. This brings the number of laboratory-confirmed cases in Iraq to two. Both cases were fatal.

The total number of deaths from the H5N1 bird flu virus stands at 94 since it re-emerged in late 2003.

Following is a list of confirmed human cases of H5N1 from the WHO in Geneva. Total cases includes survivors.

Deaths Total cases CAMBODIA 4 4 CHINA 8 14 INDONESIA 20 27 IRAQ 2 2 THAILAND 14 22 TURKEY 4 12 VIETNAM 42 93 ------------------------------------------------- TOTAL 94 174 -------------------------------------------------

Initial testing usually takes a day or two to confirm if someone has H5N1. More detailed testing by government laboratories or those affiliated with the WHO can take a week or more.

The H5N1 virus remains mainly a virus of birds, but experts fear it could change into a form easily transmitted from person to person and sweep the world, killing millions within weeks or months.

So far, most human cases can be traced to direct or indirect contact with infected birds.
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carmannurse

We have humming birds every year in front of our living room window.  Too early where I live to see them (North of Birmingham, AL).  I will let you know if I start to see them late March, early April.  There are some posters from South AL on this board that might could offer a sighting.  They could be here - it's just that I don't have flowers yet and that is when they start to show up to a point that I see them.

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Bama, I am just south (30 miles) of b'ham. I track my birds with a migration map on the internet. Just look up "hummingbird Migration map" and you should find the site i am referring to. the latest I have ever seen the birds in my yard was march 14...............
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Given the state of southern Alabama & Mississippi after the long hurricane
season, it's possible that the habitat is not available at this time for the
hummingbirds. Give it a few more weeks and see if they are sighted further
inland where the devistation from the storms wasn't so bad and they have
habitat to "hang-out" in.
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eduk8or, hi good to meet you, good advice, we shall be waiting.  "Holler" if you need anything.

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