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    Posted: May 15 2020 at 6:30pm
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Well they let Carnival go on now they are paint for it.  Sad.

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Sound familiar......

Quote A skeptical president. Millions refusing to socially isolate themselves. An overburdened healthcare system.


Brazil has a long way to go. Their mortality rate is above 60 deaths / million population. USA is at 260 deaths / million.    Given the mess Brazil is in they probably will catch up with the US rates soon (unless US shoots ahead as lock downs are lifted).

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The article states "Brazil is not close to its peak yet." 

This concept of a "peak" is ridiculous - when 100% of the population is vulnerable to a novel virus, there is no vaccine, and countries do NOT enforce super-draconian isolation/testing/contact tracing, you will have a "series of peaks," i.e. mountain range or sawtooth. 

Eventually, everyone either catches the novel virus and survives or perishes.  Halfway measures only free up hospital space, but the total mortality rate is the same over time. 

https://khn.org/news/its-not-over-until-its-over-5-things-to-know-about-hitting-the-covid-19-peak/

The Peak Does Not Mean The Pandemic Is Nearly Over

Lowering the number of new cases is important, but it doesn’t mean the virus is disappearing. It suggests instead that social distancing has slowed the spread of the disease and elongated the course of the pandemic, said Pia MacDonald, an infectious disease expert at RTI International, a nonprofit research institute in North Carolina. The “flatten the curve” strategy was designed to help lessen the surge of patients so the health care system would have more time to build capacity, discover better treatments and eventually come up with a vaccine.

Getting past peak is important, Chernak said, but only if it leads to a relatively low number of new cases.

“This absolutely does not mean the pandemic is nearing an end,” MacDonald said. “Once you get past the peak, it’s not over until it’s over. It’s just the starting time for the rest of the response.”

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Woops.....

 there goes the another Chump theory that Heat and sun kill it...... 

The annual average temperature in the region is 22 to 26 °C (72 to 79 °F), with not much variation between the warmest and the coldest months. The hottest part of Brazil is the northeast, where temperatures of more than 38 °C (100 °F) are frequently recorded during the dry season between May and November.

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That's ok, Carbon.  As the GOO tells us: A quick dose of fish-tank cleaner and a syringe full of lysol will shift the virus.  Curing the patient by killing them only looks extreme.  After all, the virus dies with them.   

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As I am not the infallable leader of thye free world, I must point out I was joking - that last post was sarcasm  Donald.

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Said by Oscar Wilde to be the highest form of intelligence but the lowest form of wit, the word sarcasm comes from the Greek and Latin for "to tear flesh". But, new research by Harvard, has found that sarcasm's bite is mostly benign.Aug 31, 2015

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Sunbeds kill it I hear...!!!!!!

But always remember the eye protection.....😉

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Hospitals in Brazil's São Paulo 'near collapse'

Originally posted by "BBC" "BBC" wrote:

The mayor of Brazil's largest city, São Paulo, has said its health system could collapse as demand grows for emergency beds to deal with coronavirus cases.

Bruno Covas said the city's public hospitals had reached 90% and could run out of space in about two weeks.

São Paulo is one of the country's worst-hit regions, with almost 3,000 deaths so far. 

On Saturday, Brazil overtook Spain and Italy to become the nation with the fourth largest number of infections. 

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São Paulo has the population of about 12 million, and official figures show that the majority of residents have been flouting social distancing rules.

 


I guess there were collapses in Iran's hospital system but they were kept quiet, so this might be the first collapsing system we have news of.

Again we have the refrain of flouting social distancing rules.

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Well Bill Gates will get his wish in reducing the population of the world by 10%.  Wonder if Gates helped start this pandemic.  

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Maybe Gates, China, And the whole of the medical experts of America,came up with WUflu, just to Get rid of Chump,

I think you need to get out more Flumom.....lol

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I get out plenty Carbon enough to know you are just a HATEFUL PERSON.  I feel sorry for you.  You must be a very unhappy person to have so much hate for America, President Trump and most everyone on this forum.  Maybe  you need to go spew your hate somewhere else!  I would love to see you leave. I will not comment on anything you have to say from now on.  

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I don't hate anyone, most Americans I have met I like, work with one, cousins married to one, 

I can't stand Chump he's just a fool,

Just because I disagree with you and your Hate filled NON life,you have, 

you seem a very bitter woman,Blaming everyone

I see your mate Pompeo is back tracking on his China theory......odd that.....

We not under a lockdown,

why?

Because our leaders showed some leadership,

Unlike your Orange faced clown that you keep trying hard to defend ,heavens knows why, 

He and he alone has caused 90,000 American Deaths, because he called it FAKE NEWS..... 

INSTEAD  of protecting the American people ,a thing he has Sworn to do, 

But no he just sacks people and blames everyone else for His Failure....

  1. THE BUCK STOPS WHERE?


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Now now! Children! Behave!

FluMom, please try not to get personal.  Carbon is entitled to his opinion.

Carbon, I agree with you, but you did start this one.  

Say what you like about politicians, but please be nice to each other!

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