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Oisanatta
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Thank you, medclinician. There is a fine line (sometimes) between questioning the facts and being an alarmist. I like that latter term, but all too often there are alarmist posts. So at times I do the same as with a tv or radio station, and turn away from the posts for a mental health break. Fortunately we have freedom of speech, but sometimes it gets a bit hairy with the alarmist stuff. Great commentary, medclinician. |
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The only thing worse than a brutal lie is the brutal truth. (M Twain) I waited patiently for the LORD; He turned to me and heard my cry. He lifted me out of the pit; He set my feet on a rock. Psalm40
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Oisanatta
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Cygnet, thank you for your calm level-headedness. The comments I posted for medclinician are appropriate for what you are saying also. Thank you again! |
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The only thing worse than a brutal lie is the brutal truth. (M Twain) I waited patiently for the LORD; He turned to me and heard my cry. He lifted me out of the pit; He set my feet on a rock. Psalm40
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Should Avian test positive in the secondary labs where the Alaskan samples have been sent, there is already in place a protocol for action to be taken, including forwarding of information to Homeland Security, movement of key personnel to specific locations, and a rather extensive set of preparations, movement of Tamiflu stocks, assignment of key innoculation locations, transfer (security sensitive) of materials to sites before disclosing location of sites, and an effort to implement a coordinated release of information to the American people, set up massive net sources of information as well as media releases. Some preparations for biopreparedness have been in place for more than three years and special protocols and action plans have existed. Beginning in the early part of 2006, heads of state (governors) have drawn many specific action plans for Avian. One is in place for West Virginia. http://www.wvflu.org/summit_summary.asp To the best of our ability, West Virginia, is prepared and ready for an Avian Infuenza Pandemic. For more information search for local health departments in Charleston, main counties in WV. There is a special group of health professionals now available and on call for community and state response. |
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medclinician - ditto for me on saying thanks for the level-headed post. There's a difference between asking hard questions and already deciding what the answer is. Nonetheless, I'm suspicious in this case and others where there hasn't been full disclosure. I don't necessarily suspect that they are hiding a case of high-path H5N1 - but I do suspect that they are putting out alot of spin instead of giving us the only thing we'd really like: the facts. I can understand the confusion on cases coming out of Indonesia. I didn't expect it from Canada. Likewise, if I see comments like this from US experts, it would disturb me. If they blew the test, fine. If they don't have a good enough sample, no problem. But they didn't stop there - first they said the samples may have degraded and then later added that if it were H5N1, it wouldn't have degraded because it has "a relatively long life span." They also say that it was "probably a low-path" virus (which kills overnight with organ damage?) and there was probably just a LITTLE of the virus (hence a slight H5 reading). And they tell us that it couldn't be H5N1 because the chickens weren't dead. I just can't imagine any intelligent person thinking "Oh, OK, that's good enough for me." These are our scientific experts - so where's the science?
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it will get to the americas eventually but the people in Nth america dont live in close proximity to fowl like the asians and africans etc so dont sweat it
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A person I know works for a "Health Care Giant", hospitals, clinics, pharmacies, transplant facilities, etc. And is an important part of their operations. This persons sister is a Health Care Provider with the same Organization. So far there is not a plan. Supposedly this Org. is working closely with the CDC for the detection of H2H transmission. I don't know...either it should be comforting or even more scary?? Personally I think one of them would be being told to start gearing up if it was close or imminent. But it seems to be business as usual. Who knows?
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Best idea here Becky is to start a new thread with some links and information which I wll do this morning. Thank you for your comments though and I understand and follow your line of thinking. |
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Albert, she is refering to a lie by omission. Jo
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I have been told by a friend who lives in the U.S., his home is less than 100 miles from the island, such an announcement would be catastrophic. No doubt an H5N1 infection confirmation here, would place it in North America, and near enough to the border, to assume it likely to be in the U.S. as well. It is quite clear how badly this would effect the stock market. Even an announcement of a Level 4 - anywhere - would have severe effects on the poultry market and stocks. When the stakes are this high, and data becomes delayed and nebulous, then it is difficult to ascertain how accurate the data being released is or how much is suppressed. What is the most disturbing is how specimens sent for final confirmation so often test completely opposite of those at the primary infection site. |
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....grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference...
....prep, stay cool, prep some more, do a dry run (wear a mask, try some prep food, etc), prep some more, keep tuned to the news, do not become an alarmist but find that middle ground to educate with facts without overwhelming the listener, and just sit back and wait it out.... |
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The only thing worse than a brutal lie is the brutal truth. (M Twain) I waited patiently for the LORD; He turned to me and heard my cry. He lifted me out of the pit; He set my feet on a rock. Psalm40
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Hahahahahah.. that's so funny.. the visual in my mind.
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Speaking from experience... never laugh at the beach while looking up!
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Oisanatta
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And never take your eyes off of your french fries while walking the boardwalk.
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The only thing worse than a brutal lie is the brutal truth. (M Twain) I waited patiently for the LORD; He turned to me and heard my cry. He lifted me out of the pit; He set my feet on a rock. Psalm40
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