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Terri
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Oops- I goofed! In reference to the WHO site I quoted above, beginning on page 58 of this report they provide tables with headings of 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 1.0 each with footnotes. The footnotes describe 0.1 with the same terminology as their Threat Level 1, 0.2 as their Level 2 and 0.3 as their Level 3. The 1.0 seems to me to correspond to Level 4. I interpret this to imply that at this point there is not anything else to say. It is out of control. I encourage all to read this report. i was shocked at the candid presentation and analysis WHO has provided. Seems to be NO sugar coating!!!!!!!
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NEJM Info for MD's
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Excellent reference for MD's who minimize / deny Avian Pandemic Flu concerns, from the New England Journal of Medicine
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/353/131/1374 |
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search nejm site for
Avian Influenza A (h5n1) Infection in Humans It is a free article. |
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Falcon
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well theres goes the neighbor hood
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I look at the stars and wonder what it would be like to touch them.
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NEJM Info for MD's
Hi and thanks for the post. I cant make the link connect will you please re post it? thank you - kevin
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saw the correction in the post...thanks
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THank you for posting this!! WHAT AN OUTSTANDING ARTICLE!!!! Sorry for screaming..... good research which supports what I think to be true evokes an uncharacteristic reaction. -Kevin |
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Possible Human to HumanCambodia's latest bird flu outbreak a 'serious' problem - WHOPHNOM PENH (AFX) - The World Health Organization expressed "great concern" over Cambodia's latest bird flu outbreak after three more suspected cases were hospitalised following last week's death of a child from H5N1. "It's a great concern, it's a serious problem ... we have to take this as seriously as possible," WHO representative Michael O'Leary told Agence France-Presse. Three people -- one adult and two children -- are being treated for fever and respiratory problems at a hospital in the capital Phnom Penh, health officials said. The suspected cases come from a village neighboring that of three-year-old Mon Vuthy, who died Tuesday after falling ill with the H5N1 strain of the virus. She was the first bird flu death in Cambodia this year and the fifth since 2003. Five other people who had contact with the suspected cases are also being tested, said Ly Sovann, head of the health ministry's department of infectious diseases. It is unknown how the three might have become infected with the deadly virus, he said. Agriculture ministry officials said tests are being done on poultry in the area, but no traces of H5N1 have been found so far in any birds, despite the deaths of hundreds in the area earlier this month. This is particularly troubling, O'Leary said, because if the three people are found to have bird flu it would mean they had some exposure to birds that "we are not aware of". Seven other villagers thought to have caught bird flu after the girl died tested negative for the virus, Ly Sovann said Saturday. "All the seven suspected patients are negative ... all of them are better," he said. The seven, all from the girl's village, fell ill with fevers around the same time that the girl died. Officials think the toddler became infected after playing with sick chickens in Phum Prich village in Kompong Speu province, 45 kilometers west of the capital. Cambodia's last outbreak of bird flu in humans occurred in early 2005, while the virus has been found in ducks in eastern Kompong Cham province twice since February, triggering the slaughter of hundreds of birds. rit/sdm/tha/tr |
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Whom is behind the world ahead. There are many paths to tread. Through shadow, to the edge of night. Until the stars are all alight. Mist and shadow, cloud and shade. All shall fade, all shall fade.
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Ella Fitzgerald
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This is disturbing news......
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Pandemics Happen!
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It is unknown how the three might have become infected with the deadly
virus, he said.(quote) hmmmmmmmmmmmm..... could be......ummmmmm H2H
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Falcon
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I think they're afraid to admit that situation is slowly becoming out of controll |
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I look at the stars and wonder what it would be like to touch them.
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more than 70 per cent of this year's H5N1 cases (30 out of 42) have died.
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I'm concerned. Too many coincidences.
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No evidence that bird flu death woman in Shanghai had contact with poultry -- officials
SHANGHAI, China -- No evidence has been found suggesting that a migrant worker who died in Shanghai from bird flu on March 21 had any direct contact with poultry, city authorities told Interfax today. The Ministry of Health confirmed on March 24 that bird flu caused the death of the 29-year-old woman. Shanghai municipal Department of Health had initially said she developed symptoms of ?gcoughing and fever" and died of unexplained pneumonia. Director of the information office at Shanghai municipal Department of Health said there was insufficient evidence to prove the woman had direct contact with poultry, and that the cause of her infection remains under investigation. "No abnormal condition has been found among the people who had close contact with the woman," he added. The health administration in Shanghai says it has taken appropriate measures according to the city's bird flu response plan and people who have had close contact with the woman have been put under clinical observation in isolation. The death toll of bird flu human infections in China now stands at 11, and the number to have contracted the infection 15.Dai Ping from the Shanghai Agricultural Commission said there was no bird flu epidemic among poultry in the municipality. (Interfax-China) http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/business/int/news/20060327p2g00m0bu026000c.html |
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Falcon
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ohhhhhh thats no good at all
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I look at the stars and wonder what it would be like to touch them.
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What concerned me.... THEY ADMITTED IT.
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John
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This is the reason i have bought four birdflu stocks praying that at least one wil come up with a solution that will cure people,fowls and animals.This is a very serious problem and we need a cure for it. |
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John I am not a savy tech on stocks can you explain a bit about 4 birdflu stocks...
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John
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These are the ticker symbols i have bought and all are working on a bird flu cure.NVAX,HEB,SVA a china biotech co. and GNBT.Nvax is the best i think.You need to go to yahoo finance and scroll down to where it gives stock reports on every stock that trades,Click it and it will carry you to a place where you can put the stock symbols in.You have to put a comma after each symbol and then click go and it will pull up all the symbols with the price of stocks and all the info on what they are doing to come up with a cure or a vacanation or spray that will cure after a person has got the bird flu.i bought these four because i belive they have the most potential.Hope this helps!!
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John
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Muskrat the US Goverment has approved 3.8 billion dollars to fight the bird flu and will soon grant this money to biotech companys who they think have the best chance of a cure.Im not only in these stocks for the money but most of all a cure for mandkind.
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I LIKE SCARY RIDES
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So i guess the Iraq,s are more important then the citizens of the USA..hummm.would I invest in the stock...and if I am wrong please pm me John I don,t understand....
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i agree with you that it is happening now. another interesting point is that i tryed to log onto another site similar to this one. And it is either down or you figure it out...................but i find it odd that it is not available...is anyone aware of what has happen to that site...it is very informative to the public....i wonder if they think its to informative and have taken the site down?????? replies please
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I think they are upgrading there server/Forum.
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NO NEWS IS WHO NEWS
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The Wiki may have taken too many simultaneous hits and crashed the server, or they may have picked up a bug that crashed it. If it doesn't come back up tonight, check Effect Measure, the Reveres' blog tomorrow to see if they say something about it there. |
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In a hundred years, we will all be bald.
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thanks for the info
phew i thought something funny was going on
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can anyone tell me about a site that gives a clear hand washing technique
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A clear hand washing technique.....???? I have seen such, but don't remember where!!
I have seen suggestions for children to teach them to make a "glove" with the soap bubbles and sing a child's song ( don't remember that one either) while sudsing up.
May I ask if you have a target audience???
The main thing is, Palms, fingers, and the tops of the hands as well. Many who wash, only wash the palms.
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Up the forearms as well, remove rings, watches,
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my name is laura and i started writing a script and storyboarding a short video infoproduct to sell at the 7-11 about personal and familial pre-paredness. I challenge you all to do the same because we the people are the frontline defence. when the hospital turns you away because it is closed.Who will you turn to to ensure the survival of you and yours? civil defence will be busy with martial law and instituting enforced curfews , quarantine and burials. I intend to be sure and i believe there isnt nearly enough of that sort of info out there meant for joe blow from windy city, do any of you? please lets organize this well and be proud of it later ok
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Actually, there have already been a couple of H2H2H examples, and one involved 1-2 HCWs. One case was about a year ago in Thai Bihn. The index case was a 21 year old who ended up recovering, but holds the record for days in the hospital (something like 85 days). His 14 year old sister subsequently was infected after caring for him. She was the first documented case of Tamiflu resistance. Next the nurse who treated the index case was infected, followed by another nurse with symptoms. |
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Actually, there have already been a couple of H2H2H examples, and one involved 1-2 HCWs. One case was about a year ago in Thai Bihn. The index case was a 21 year old who ended up recovering, but holds the record for days in the hospital (something like 85 days). His 14 year old sister subsequently was infected after caring for him. She was the first documented case of Tamiflu resistance. Next the nurse who treated the index case was infected, followed by another nurse with symptoms. |
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Bird flu virus survives for days in droppings -WHO 20 Jan 2006 23:55:16 GMT By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent WASHINGTON, Jan 20 (Reuters) - The H5N1 avian influenza virus can survive for more than a month in bird droppings in cold weather and for nearly a week even in hot summer temperatures, the World Health Organization said on Friday. When people become infected with bird flu, they get a high fever and pneumonia very quickly, according to an updated factsheet from the WHO, posted on the Internet at http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/avianinfluenza_factsheetJan2006/en/index.html. The new factsheet incorporates the most recent findings on the avian flu virus, which WHO says is causing by far the worst outbreak among both birds and people ever recorded... ..."For example, the highly pathogenic H5N1 virus can survive in bird feces for at least 35 days at low temperature (4 degrees C or 39 degrees F)," the WHO site reads. "At a much higher temperature (37 degrees C or 98.6 degrees F), H5N1 viruses have been shown to survive, in fecal samples, for six days..." ...H5N1 has different qualities from seasonal flu, the WHO said. LONG INCUBATION PERIOD "The incubation period for H5N1 avian influenza may be longer than that for normal seasonal influenza, which is around 2 to 3 days. Current data for H5N1 infection indicate an incubation period ranging from 2 to 8 days and possibly as long as 17 days," it said... "Initial symptoms include a high fever, usually with a temperature higher than 38 degrees C (100.4 degrees F), and influenza-like symptoms. Diarrhea, vomiting, abdominal pain, chest pain, and bleeding from the nose and gums have also been reported as early symptoms in some patients." And with H5N1 infection, all patients have developed pneumonia, and usually very early on the the illness, the WHO said. "On present evidence, difficulty in breathing develops around five days following the first symptoms. Respiratory distress, a hoarse voice, and a crackling sound when inhaling are commonly seen." There is bloody sputum, it said. "Another common feature is multiorgan dysfunction, notably involving the kidney and heart," WHO said. The WHO recommends using Tamiflu, Roche AG's flu drug known generically as oseltamivir, as soon as possible to treat bird flu. WHO stresses that H5N1 remains mostly a disease of birds, with tens of millions infected in two years. "Also lacking is an explanation for the puzzling concentration of cases in previously healthy children and young adults." (excerpts) http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N20130277.htm
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I took this excerpt from CIDRAP update dated March 22nd: Human cases of H5N1 influenza have been reported in Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia, China, Turkey, Iraq, Azerbaijan, and Egypt. WHO has officially recognized more than 180 cases (see References: WHO: Cumulative number of confirmed human cases of avian influenza), with a case-fatality rate of approximately 50%. To date, sustained person-to-person transmission has not been recognized, although probable person-to-person spread was identified in Thailand involving transmission from an ill child to her mother and aunt (see References: Ungchusak 2005) and several other familial clusters have been recognized (see References: Olsen 2005). To read full article: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/biofacts/panflu.html#_Lessons_from_Past_Pandemics Also note, the references in these cases are dated 2005!!! Susan T |
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some how my post was sent to the wrong place.......
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If I recall correctly, Tai Bihn was still very weak a year after being discharged, but his sister recovered quickly with no ill effects. |
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by the way seems to me that preppers are now starting to flood the stores. Costco , bjs, and small stores are cleaning their shelfs off of things like water, paper goods, can food. bleach etc......but its really funny everyone shopping just looks at everyone else funny...like ummm are they prepping too. or do they look at me thinking they must think im nuts...anyway im happy America has woken up to the fact that the BIG GIANT IS OUT THERE WAITING TO STOMP ON US... and being prepared is the best thing to do.........GOOD JOB TO ALL THE PEPS IN THIS ROOM ...LOOKS like the word is out....I found a nice wind up flash light that never needs batteries,,,and also I notice that they are coming out with little backpack resioviors that holds water....Odd stuff to be on the shelfs...but I guess the stores are up on the needs of the preppers...good luck everyone stay safe.........................................................Prepping for the big one!!!!!
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I started prepping acouple of weeks ago.(I am a sterotypical surfer) When I was in line this guy said preparing for a hurricaine?(wise a$s) I said no H5N1. He said whats that. I said BF. I swear anyone that was within ear shot turned pale.
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NO NEWS IS WHO NEWS
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The ******.com site is still unavailable. Did it crash? get censored? Does anyone know?
thanks...
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They are moving to a new server.
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has this been posted? Excuse if it has...
This is the first really big spread I have seen from the media in print.
Now the other agency's will follow I imagine.
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There may have been H2H transmission cases, but it does not necessarily
mean a pandemic has started. As in the case of the 1918 flu, it
had to go through several transmissions between humans before it
mutated into the killer flu. If a case gets transmitted from one
human to another, and that second human dies, that strain dies with
them. They would need to pass it on to another, then another,
then another, and so forth, before it could become a pandemic virus.
Also, as in the 1918 flu again, it can mutate into a rather benign form first and sweep the world. This may already be happening, and no one may know it. |
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