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Dutch Josh
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Posted: November 24 2023 at 12:29am |
DJ From Chinese sources; [url]https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202311/1302400.shtml[/url] or https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202311/1302400.shtml ; China's health authorities advised medical institutes to implement hierarchical medical diagnosis mechanisms to relieve medical pressure in major hospitals amidst a spike in respiratory diseases and pneumonia across the country, especially among children. It may be China has to find out what is happening themselves...More still learning than hiding.... [url]https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/11/who-statement-on-reports-of-clusters-of.html[/url] or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/11/who-statement-on-reports-of-clusters-of.html ; A little over 24 hours ago ProMed published an RFI (Request for Information) after posting a report from a Taiwan media source on a surge in `Undiagnosed pneumonia' - primarily in children - hospitalized in Beijing and Liaoning Provinces in China.
The `official' Chinese explanation has been `Mycoplasma pneumonia', but this time of year it is more likely to be a mixture of respiratory viruses (flu, RSV, COVID, etc.) on top of any CAP (Community Acquired Pneumonia).
Overnight the World Health Organization posted the following statement on Twitter/X. I'll return with a postscript after the break.
While this may be nothing more than a post-COVID surge in already-known seasonal respiratory illnesses, China often treats bad news as a national security issue - and with reports of their economy faltering, and growing dissent in the population - they may well be downplaying a more serious situation.
But China is far from alone in strategically dispensing disease outbreak information (see Flying Blind In The Viral Storm). Much of the world has dismantled their COVID surveillance and reporting apparatus, and surveillance and reporting on other emerging infectious diseases (like like novel flu & MERS-CoV) have serious gaps as well.
It's simply a matter of time. DJ...we all should know lots of diseases may become a growing risk... |
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pcusick provided the [url]https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/undiagnosed-pneumonia-outbreak-china-puts-pressure-pediatric-hospitals-prompts-questions[/url] or https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/undiagnosed-pneumonia-outbreak-china-puts-pressure-pediatric-hospitals-prompts-questions link; An undetermined pneumonia outbreak in China is hitting children hard, with media reports describing overwhelmed children's hospitals in multiple locations, according a post on ProMED Mail, the online reporting system of the International Society for Infectious Diseases. So far, there is no indication that the infections are deadly. But reports of a spike in pneumonia cases in China are eerily similar to early reports of a mystery pneumonia outbreak in late 2019 in Wuhan, which heralded the emergence of COVID-19. DJ, What info needs to be made public when ? Most (western) countries have given up on (CoViD) testing, sequencing, reporting...so to claim "China is hiding info" in my view is a bit far fetched...Lots of countries will keep disease spread in the military "less open"... Another question is how much time does a country need to get a "picture of unfolding events"....Is it better to be open when you are still in the dark on unfolding events ? Is avoiding panic wise ? Some observers speculate the outbreak could be caused by Mycoplasma pneumoniae, commonly known as "walking pneumonia." FluTrackers, an infectious disease news message board, has been tracking reports of overwhelmed pediatric hospitals and clinics and Mycoplasma pneumonia since the beginning of summer. Speculations can do a lot of damage...good open info can avoid part of the damage... [url]https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2023/11/articles/animals/dogs/mystery-dog-respiratory-disease-or-not-and-antibiotics-or-not/[/url] or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2023/11/articles/animals/dogs/mystery-dog-respiratory-disease-or-not-and-antibiotics-or-not/ Despite lots of media attention and associated fear, we’re still not sure what’s going on with all these coughing dogs, or even if there’s really a story at all. DJ...US dogs also see a "mysterious respitory disease"...Lots of countries do see "more respitory problems in children"....So RSV may explain part of the story...there is also flu, CoViD... Dr. Eric Ding -among many others- trying to "get a view" on Chinese "events"....Maybe because of US thanksgiving he did not have new info... [url]https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/new-rsv-strain-in-china-infecting-children-with-existing-sars-cov-2-impaired-innate-immunity,-paving-the-way-for-opportunistic-mycoplasma-pneumoniae[/url] or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/new-rsv-strain-in-china-infecting-children-with-existing-sars-cov-2-impaired-innate-immunity,-paving-the-way-for-opportunistic-mycoplasma-pneumoniae A new RSV virus in children with decreased immunity after CoViD would explain the China healthstory... May also be a factor in lots of other countries...But "China" would be the starter for CoViD/SARS-2... DJ, Very likely [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games ; The 2019 Military World Games (Chinese: 2019年世界军人运动会; pinyin: nián shìjiè jūnrén yùndònghuì), officially known as the 7th CISM Military World Games, (Chinese: 第七届世界军人运动会; pinyin: dì qī jiè shìjiè jūnrén yùndònghuì) and commonly known as Wuhan 2019, was held from October 18–27, 2019 in Wuhan, Hubei, China.[2][3] did play a role in the start of global spread of CoViD....[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_COVID-19[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_COVID-19 ; Available evidence suggests that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was originally harbored by bats, and spread to humans from infected wild animals, functioning as an intermediate host, at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan, Hubei, China, in December 2019. DJ...so if the Wuhan military games were a factor spread of CoViD started earlier than december 2019... [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_COVID-19#Mojiang_mine_incident[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_COVID-19#Mojiang_mine_incident ; Another proposed origin scenario relates to a 2012 incident involving six miners in an abandoned mining cave near the town of Tongguan in Mojiang county, Yunnan, China. Six miners cleaning bat feces fell ill, three of whom died from fatal pneumonia.[89] Out of concerns that the miner's cases could represent a novel disease,[90] serum samples collected from the miners were sent to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and tested by Shi Zhengli and her group for various fatal viruses including Ebola virus, Nipah virus, and SARS-related coronaviruses DJ, SARS-1 in 2003 was Hong Kong China linked [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-1#Origin_and_evolutionary_history[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-1#Origin_and_evolutionary_history ; In March 2003, WHO established a global network of leading laboratories to collaborate in the identification of the causative agent of SARS. Early on, labs in the network narrowed the search to members of the paramyxovirus and coronavirus families. Early findings shared by the labs pointed to coronaviruses with increasing consistency. On 21 March, scientists from the University of Hong Kong announced the isolation of a new virus that was strongly suspected to be the causative agent of SARS.[16] DJ, In time action and good border checks, but also less travel (from Hong Kong) limited SARS-1...Both SARS-1 and SARS-2 are linked to China (and travel-foe economy reasons that aspect is ignored). In my view-based on earlier samples being detected in 2019 outside China-SARS-2 could even have been imported into Wuhan...[url]https://www.coronaheadsup.com/science/origins/sars-cov-2-in-angola-from-23rd-september-2019/[/url] or https://www.coronaheadsup.com/science/origins/sars-cov-2-in-angola-from-23rd-september-2019/ ...blood/sewage samples go back even further in several countries... So-yes-it is good to keep an eye on China...could there even be a SARS-3 ??? But we should not forget lots of other countries/regions-with much less healthcare/monitoring may be even higher risk... My country-NL-is the fifth largest food exporter in the world. Second largest agri-culture exporter after the US (due to Dutch flowers...). From blue-tongue virus to H5N1...NL has a lot of animal diseases...Even very good science/monitoring is NOT 100% perfect... So-an over focus on China may miss lots of other (much higher) risks... |
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Now it has spread to #Shanghai. It's rumored that as many as 400 K people were infected in Shanghai in just one day, and it's expected that there will be 1 million new infections daily by next week. All 100 medical staff in the emergency department of Shanghai Zhongshan Hospital (中山医院) have been infected. P1: #Pediatric Hospital of #FudanUniversity
P2: Shanghai #Children's Hospital
P3: Nighttime medicine dispensary window at Shanghai Children's Hospital
P4: Shanghai Children's Hospital is overwhelmed with patients. - #COVID Returns, Never Left, or a New #Virus Emerges?
Recently, numerous cities across #China have seen children's hospitals overcrowded, with a widespread online circulation of news about mass infections among medical staff. There's been a surge in cases of children suffering from fever, common cold, #respiratory infections, and even cases of so-called ‘white lung' or reported deaths. What is happening? Watch to find out! #COVID19 #pandemic #CCPVirus #CCP - DJ-Source is anti-China "news"...still alarming... -[url]https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2023-DON494[/url] or https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2023-DON494 Is there a real crisis in China or is it a propaganda war ? |
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- - - --- - - ---- - - - DJ...France now also may be seeing a "China-like" health issue most in children ? Very likely linked to damage after CoViD infection.... [url]https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202311/1302474.shtml[/url] or https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202311/1302474.shtml ; The respiratory cases that are currently being reported by the country's monitoring and hospital systems were caused by already known infectious agents, China's National Health Commission (NHC) said on Friday, after the World Health Organization (WHO) expressed concern over the country's increasing respiratory illnesses and reported clusters of pneumonia in children. DJ...so "normal infections" resulting in abnormal reactions because of previous CoViD infection(s) damaging immunity... ------ [url]https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-medical-news-crisis-unfolding-new-feline-canine-coronavirus-hybrid-sparks-global-concern-among-scientist-despite-attempted-coverups[/url] or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-medical-news-crisis-unfolding-new-feline-canine-coronavirus-hybrid-sparks-global-concern-among-scientist-despite-attempted-coverups making matters more complex; Lots of other variants of CoViD and -possibly ???- a new CoViD form -first detected in cats in Cyprus- could be spreading... Another note; China at least is reporting this problem...lots of countries stopped testing/sequencing/monitoring so they may have the same kind of problem but are not even signaling it yet.... |
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[url]https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/11/26/bacterial-infection-causing-concern-in-china-detected-in-ireland/[/url] or https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/11/26/bacterial-infection-causing-concern-in-china-detected-in-ireland/ ; A bacterial infection implicated in a surge in respiratory illnesses in China is on the rise in the community in Ireland, authorities have confirmed. An outbreak of mycoplasma pneumoniae notified to the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC) last month was the first in “a number of years”, it said. A recent spike in respiratory illness and clusters of pneumonia in children in China led to an official request from the World Health Organisation last week for more information. It has also stoked unpleasant memories of the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic in the same country in late 2019. China says it has not detected any unusual or new diseases on this occasion and has attributed the rise in illnesses to Covid-19, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) and mycoplasma pneumoniae. DJ, After CoViD children may be more vulnerable for all kinds of other infections...Adults did see (more) CoViD vaccinations resulting in less CoVid caused decreased immunity... So not only China now also France, Ireland report the same kind of healthissues... Here in NL we do see an increase of all kinds of diseases in (most) children. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whooping_cough[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whooping_cough a problem in my region ( [url]https://www.gelderlander.nl/arnhem/kinkhoest-steekt-de-kop-op-gelderland-hotspot-gaat-vooral-om-jonge-kinderen~abb88e59/[/url] or https://www.gelderlander.nl/arnhem/kinkhoest-steekt-de-kop-op-gelderland-hotspot-gaat-vooral-om-jonge-kinderen~abb88e59/ ) In the first winter of the post-pandemic era, the cases of acute respiratory diseases, including influenza, rhinovirus and mycoplasma pneumonia, continue to rise across China with the superposition of multiple respiratory diseases, according to the national health authority on Sunday. - Influenza is a major respiratory disease in people of all ages. Additionally, rhinovirus infection is also predominant in people age 0-4, mycoplasma pneumonia and adenovirus infections are also predominant in people age 5-14, rhinovirus infection and COVID-19 are predominant in people age 15-59, while human metapneumovirus and common coronavirus infections are predominant in people age 60 and above, according to Wang. DJ...the story also comes up with "immunity gap" as part of the reasons why we see more diseases in children in China. However that idea maybe only explains immunity in very young-very protected children...Co-infection with several diseases (linked with less immunity after CoViD) could in part also explain more severe disease... Statistics on excess deaths indicate still higher number of deaths in less vaccinated age groups 0-44 y/o |
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[url]https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202311/1302731.shtml[/url] or https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202311/1302731.shtml ; From providing more beds for pneumonia treatment and allocating more manpower to extending working hours, hospitals across China are grappling with a surge in cases of respiratory illnesses in children, especially a spike in mycoplasma pneumonia. See also [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-pneumonia-respiratory-and-influenza-like-illnesses-ili/982359-china-pediatric-hospitals-full-with-seasonal-flu-mycoplasma-pneumonia-patients-guangzhou-guangdong-province-november-27-2023[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-pneumonia-respiratory-and-influenza-like-illnesses-ili/982359-china-pediatric-hospitals-full-with-seasonal-flu-mycoplasma-pneumonia-patients-guangzhou-guangdong-province-november-27-2023 ; In the clinic of Wu Zhu, head of the pediatric outpatient and emergency department of Zhujiang Hospital of Southern Medical University, the number of patients is also running at a high level. According to his recent observations, the number of children infected with Mycoplasma pneumoniae has declined, while influenza is on the rise, with influenza B being the dominant category. so no mention of any human H3N3-flu [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma_pneumoniae[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma_pneumoniae ; Mycoplasma pneumoniae is a very small bacterium in the class Mollicutes. It is a human pathogen that causes the disease mycoplasma pneumonia, a form of atypical bacterial pneumonia related to cold agglutinin disease. M. pneumoniae is characterized by the absence of a peptidoglycan cell wall and resulting resistance to many antibacterial agents. The persistence of M. pneumoniae infections even after treatment is associated with its ability to mimic host cell surface composition Soon will be a global problem... |
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