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Peaches:
 
Joseph's cat, Tiger, is still sick.  He is on the mend but he seems to be taking a long time to get over this.  He hasn't been getting around much, until the last couple of days.  He is now eatting and drinking on his own.  We forced him to take liguids a couple of times.  Opened up some tuna fish for him..so he could smell it..  I know that cats won't eat if they cannot smell what they are eatting..and with his nose all plungged and gross..he wasn't wanting to eat just regular cat food....but the tuna did it and he began to eat a little bit at a time..now much better...but not 100% yet, but likely soon will be. 
 
Joseph's other two cats caught slight colds..sneezing..but not much else.  Tiget is the one that brought the blue jays to Joseph.  Makes a person wonder.  Then my daughter and I got sick..and we tried really hard not to freak out, you know.  LOL.  I thought..great..we get to be the first people in the US with Bird Flu..  Of course, that's not the case.  We are both feeling much better now..just a sinus thing..with fever..aches and pains...fatique....probably picked it up and the beauty parole last week. 
 
I told Tiger to stay away from those birds from now on..I doubt that he will listen though since I don't speak cat and he doesn't speak Human.  LOL.
 
Take care. 
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I am not surprised by the posts here... however I find them quite disturbing.  Recombics is reporting the following.  I can not find the post now... however somewhere on the site they reported finding H5N1 in Canada last August before the sothern migration.  It is only common sense to test for its apperance.  I am afraid that it is here and they are doing everthing they can to not test.  In my opinion to protect the poultry industy. 

http://www.recombinomics.com/PR/030306.html

"PITTSBURGH, Mar. 3 /PRNewswire/ -- Recombinomics is issuing a warning based on the identification of American sequences in the Qinghai strain of H5N1 isolated in Astrakhan, Russia.  The presence of the America sequences in recent isolates in Astrakhan indicates H5N1 has already migrated to North America.  The levels of H5N1 in indigenous species will be supplemented by new sequences migrating into North America in the upcoming months.

Recombinomics uses its patent pending technology to trace the movement of informative sequences in influenza.  This approach has identified H9N2 sequences that have migrated from Asia into British Columbia in Canada and California in the United States to recombine with H5N2.  Similarly North American sequences from a wide range of sero-types have been found in Astrakhan H5N1 sequences.  These data indicate H5N1 is currently expanding its geographical reach into the Americas.  Surveillance by Canada and the United States is lacking, as neither country has detected any H5N1 infections... "

 

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It is the exact same pattern all over the world. 

Government denial.

Government refusal to test (The Rain caused all the animals to stop eating and they all starved to death.)  If you believe that......

The WHO trained the SEA governments in ways to test to ensure false negatives.  Take blood samples early, before the patient has developed immunity characteristics.  AND take mouth swabs late after the virus has manifested itself in the lungs and is killing the patient. The mouth swabs will almost always be negative even though the patient is dying in front of you.

Indonesia, Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, Vietnam, ALL have been able to keep their numbers of dead far lower than the actual number by faulty testing.

If you don't want to test, you can just label it as Yellow Fever, Dengue, CCHF, Malaria and so on......

AND remember, if you don't test the dead birds (because you have annouced that it is cholera, or poisoning or....) then you don't have to worry because you have never detected H5N1 in your country.
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http://www.recombinomics.com/News/02190603/H5N1_North_America.html

H5N1 Bird Flu in North America?
Recombinomics Commentary
February 19, 2006
 
"...Many countries reported Newcastle disease outbreaks, which are frequently cited in countries that subsequently become H5N1 positive.  This linkage goes back to H5N1 in Indonesia and China in 2003 and 2004 and continues to the present.  Many countries in the Middle East have also reported recent Newcastle Disease outbreaks, as has India.

The failure of these countries to detect H5N1 is cause for concern.  The widespread reporting of H5N1 in Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and India suggest surveillance in all of the recently reporting countries is poor.  However, reporting in neighboring countries that have yet to confirm H5N1 is beyond poor...

The surveillance shortcomings likely extend to North America

If H5N1 was present in northern Siberia in the summer, it was probably also present in North America because of the connection via the East Atlantic Flyway. 

Canada did widespread testing on young ducks captured in August of 2005.  The ducks were swabbed as part of the banding experiments and H5 was detected in all reporting Provinces.  Although H5N1, H5N2, H5N3, and H5N9 were detected, all reported characterizations were of LPAI. 

Since the collection were limit to young ducks in the south in August, H5N1 positive birds in the north may have been missed.  However, these birds in the north as well as those banded in the south should have migrated into the United States as the temperature in Canada dropped, yet the United States has not reported H5 this season. 

These negative data raise serious questions about the surveillance systems in North America.

As the H5N1 positive birds in the East Atlantic Fly migrate north in the upcoming months, they will once again head for western Europe and eastern North America.

An evaluation of detection and reporting in western Europe and North America would be useful."

http://www.fao.org/ag/againfo/subjects/en/health/diseases-cards/migrationmap.html

 

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Kathy,
 
More info for your so called expert's... I have become distrustful and suspect they have ties to the poultry industry. 
 
 
Prior studies, including the OIE Mission Report indicated about two dozen species shot out of the sky in southern Siberia, carried H5N1 asymptomatically
 
These data, couple with the widespread detection of H5N1 in dead birds throughout western Europe suggest H5N1 was present in northern Siberia in the summer of 2005 and migrated to western Europe in the fall.

The number of reported die-offs were large (see December map), yet none of the EU countries detected H5N1 until very recently (see February map).  Many reported Newcastle disease outbreaks, which are frequently cited in countries that subsequently become H5N1 positive.

 
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This is a first for me (posting that is)..  Just wondering if you read the article on this forum about the sea birds... don't remember their name.... being washed up on the Oregan and Northern Calf. coast this past week.  It was stated that they probably died from a storm at sea.  PLEASE....... I live in central Illinois and have a pond near me, believe me when I say that the pond gets checked regularly for dead birds.  The geese and ducks are returning now and we have crows all over the place.  Also interesting is that a man I work with took his wife ot the hospital Monday with a headache and 105 fever, and congestion.  VIRAL PNEMONIA.. She is still hopsitalised as is their son, who by the way is a truck driver over the road.   To many coincidences for me.  I'll continue prepping and read the forum daily .  Will be checking the pond daily also and let you know what is up here in central Illinois.Clap  
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What an abundance of information!   I have not yet clicked on any of the links yet, but will do so after writing this note.
 
I was up until 3:00AM studying on the Internet, and I also ran across most of the info talked about above.   But I also ran across something else, and I will have to find it in my "History" folder because I did not add the link to my "Favorites."
 
It was an article that said once H5N1 gets well established in the  UK, and that is only a matter of time since just about all of Continental Europe has it, it will transmit to our Eastern States first because that is the shortest route.   This is assuming it is not here already, and I think it is.  
 
It would be IMPOSSIBLE for Canada and Siberia, and we know for an absolute fact that Siberia has H5N1, for it to have not traveled here.
 
Now this flys in the face (no pun intended) of absolutely everything the Government has prepared for.   The download site for their document is in one of my postings; I don't know which one or I would list the link here.  
 
The US Government is 100% sure that H5N1 will come from Siberia; no other scenario planned for.   In fact, they are 100% sure that Alaska will be the first State to report H5N1 due to the FALL migration pattern.
 
Has Alaska, Iceland, Greenland, Norway, Sweden, Siberia, et al, ever been the first to report a flu strain originating in China years ago?   Of course not!!!   They are for the most part frozen stiff up there.   Yes, I do realize that there are mild climate zones for anyone in Northern Regions reading this.   I don't mean to insult you!
 
My mind is blurred with too much information, but I think the recent strain, or a version of it,  was detected in China in the 1990's (?????) in the Pekin Duck population.   It may have been before then.
 
I really think that the only reason my crows are being accepted for testing is because I sent each original posting I did to literally hundreds of media people, State and Federal people.   Oregon was forced to test.   And I am also sure that the test will come back negative, even though it has been proven time and again that crows are the "canary" of this damn thing.
 
I take them down to the ODFW on Monday for shipping to Corvallis.
 
I realize that there is no vaccine yet; that is common knowledge.   But what I don't understand is that if H5N1 has been around for so long, why isn't there one?   It can take anywhere from one to three years to develop a vaccine, so why hasn't it been done?
 
The answer that the Government gives is because the strain could mutate and no longer be H5N1.   Well of course it could mutate, but wouldn't "something be better than nothing?"
 
There was another article I read last night that said it could take up to three generations of "die-offs" in the USA before a vaccine for whatever strain we get can be developed.   That's a really nice thought, isn't it?
 
I realize that the CDC is working on developing and testing many different vaccines, but it seems long ovedue to me.   Why wasn't this started years ago when the H5N1 virus first appeared?   China certainly has the knowledge to develop vaccines.   What is going on here?   It does not add up in my mind.
 
Plus, the Internet is crammed with "test kits" for the H5N1 virus.   I know, it takes a lot of work to set up a lab to test communicable diseases, (I never send this through spell check!) but are the labs being set up in our States?   I know for a fact they aren't in Oregon.
 
Some other states seem to have a good grip on the situation, and have web sites set up from the State Health Department for its citizens.   You are lucky to live in that State if you do.   There are clear instructions of what to do, where to go, listings of hospitals, etc.   It is just a shame that all states have not done that.
 
Anyway, I'm done rambling.   I am going to send an e-mail to all my neighbors asking them to tell me if they find any dead crows.   I will do it in a non-alarmist way.   No, then they might pick them up!   I'll figure out something....

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Thanks so much Racer 53.   Those sea birds (Auklets) only washed up on the Oregon Coastline, and not in Washington or California.   The media article stated that it was so strange that only Oregon got hit, since the offshore bird population in both WA and CA seemed to be fine.   Absolutely no mention of Avian Flu was made, nor any plans to test the birds for it.
 
The same thing has happened in Oregon many times in the past year.   Flocks of birds falling from the sky, both over land, and over lakes, with no explaination.
 
Maybe one has to land on someone's head and kill them before the Oregon State takes notice?
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This is in Michigan---
Dead crows cause concern for the county
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Several Battle Creek residents have raised concern over about 10 dead crows found in the parking lot of the Columbia Plaza Shopping Center on 20th Street in front of the Big Lots store Sunday evening.

Mary Dressel of Battle Creek said she was driving on 20th Street with her husband when she noticed the crows.

 

 

"With the West Nile virus found in crows, we couldn't help but wonder if these crows were sick, or if anyone checked into it," Dressel said. Calhoun County epidemiologist Amy Latham doubted the crows died of West Nile. But she said once information was received about the crows it was forwarded onto the environmental health division.

 

Ted Havens, director of environmental health at the county health department, said the West Nile virus program coordinator was unable to collect the bird specimens before the parking lot maintenance staff at Columbia Plaza disposed of the birds Monday.

Havens said the West Nile virus typically is transmitted by mosquitoes during the spring and summer months. He also said crows and blue jays have been infected by the virus more than other bird species.

He said the environmental health division will keep an eye out for other cases like this.

Kim Signs, a disease epidemiologist with the Michigaan Department of Community Health, said only one dead bird case was reported by the county health department last year.

The specimen was not tested at state health department facilities, she said, so the results were unknown.

Anthony Martinez Beven covers health and features. He can be reached at 966-0684 or abeven@battlecr.gannett.com.

Originally published March 7, 2006

 Why couldn't they find out where they were disposed at. Most likely in one of the many dumpsters that are behind the Plaza. I saw these dead crows also, it was very disturbing. I thought maybe some kids had shot them with a pellet gun because the birds were all lying around a light pole but there was no arm on the pole that the birds could have been sitting on besides the fact if someone was shooting I'm sure the rest would fly away. I just seem to me there are alot of reports about dead birds in different parts of the United States. Makes me wonder what is really going on. Is the bird flu here already and they just don't want use to know yet?

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 Kathy,
I find your sitiation troubling.The whole testing saga now becomes
deliciously ambiguous. Perhaps you could obtain an evidence bag from local law enforcement to put SOME but not all the birds in, since the birds are still in your possesion, sign and date the bag on the lines provided. Tell them it is evidence in a potential future case, the other birds may be sent to an independant lab (per advice of your attorny, wink) that way any scewed results compared to the independant lab will be considered evidence tampering.
 
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WOW HOW COME I FEEL HTAT BY THE TIME THEY DO AN ANNOUNCEMENT IT WILL BE TOO LATE????
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Crows also have their admirers
Lack of regular visit prompts question

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - Bangor Daily News

Through responses to this column, I've come to know that members of the corvid family - especially crows - are the subject of much interest and attention for many people.

Although the appearance of West Nile Virus has brought them farther into the spotlight, they have been noticed for their cunning, intelligence and mischief-making for decades. As the "Birds of North America" states, "Everybody knows crows. It is a mistake to underestimate a crow's ability. Most people have opinions about crows that run the gamut from outright hatred to bemused admiration."

A few people - obvious admirers - have told me they put food out for crows, as they put seed out for other birds. Recently I received an e-mail from Joanne Currier of Salisbury Cove, who had a question about a group of crows she had been feeding for more than three years.

"They used to visit our yard almost daily, year round, in groups of three to five birds. Last winter, we had two groups of four. Things were fine this year until after breeding season. ...

"Suddenly, they stopped visiting our yard. I hear crows around, and they land in trees nearby, but they do not land in our yard for food...one thing I have observed, though, is that since 'our' crows stopped visiting our yard, I don't see as many crows around the island either. Could something have happened to the entire crow population in our area?"

Paramount in Joanne's mind was West Nile Virus. She had commented she hadn't heard or read anything about it this year. I did some researching on the Web, but did not come up with anything conclusive.

I visited Audubon's site on WNV and read what's become common knowledge since the virus first appeared: corvids seem to be particularly susceptible to it, dying within one to two weeks of contracting it; tens of thousands of dead crows studied have been found to have died of this disease.

I then checked out the Maine Bureau of Health Web site. Its avian testing results for 2005, as of Aug. 31, listed four crows testing positive, all collected in York County. Of course, this only takes into account the birds that were found and brought in to be tested; it would be impossible to say how many might have gone undetected, if any.

I next wondered if Joanne knew, for sure, that it was indeed the same family of crows she had been observing year after year. A breeding pair with young will often be accompanied by offspring from previous years, which help their parents feed and care for the newbies. These small family groups will stay together until winter, when they join large roosts of crows that have come from many different locations. The crows in these roosts will often travel miles in search of food. It's possible the crows that had visited Joanne's yard in winter were strangers - transients. Short of banding the birds (which can only be done by someone who has a permit and a license), there is no way to tell for sure.

It's also plausible the crows have found an abundant food source elsewhere, and just aren't congregating nearby as much as they had in the past. That's not to say that WNV couldn't have had something to do their disappearance. But my thought is this: crows are common and fairly obvious, and Mount Desert Island is a well-known travel destination for many visitors. If a large population of crows there had died, someone, somewhere, would have noticed some dead birds.

In the absence of data so far on the presence of WNV in local crow populations, I would hazard to guess that they have either dispersed to other locations, or, possibly, are undergoing a natural population fluctuation due to other factors.

I'm not aware of any detailed studies of the crow population on Mount Desert Island, so this is only an educated guess. Thank you for that thought-provoking question, Joanne!

NEWS bird columnist Chris Corio can be reached at bdnsports@bangordailynews.net

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Your local health department can get kits here.
 
Synbiotics Corporation launches FLU DETECT™ Antigen Capture Test Strips
March 16, 2005- Synbiotics Corporation, the preferred resource for animal owners and professionals dedicated to the health and well-being of animals is pleased to announce the launch of FLU DETECT™ Antigen Capture Test Strip Kit which was uniquely designed for veterinary use. The product, launched at VIV Asia, Bangkok, Thailand, detects all 15 H sub-types of Type A Flu. The product can be used farm side or in the laboratory for the detection of Type A Flu including H5N1, with higher sensitivity and specificity than similar products; most of which have been developed for human use.

The FLU DETECT™ Antigen Capture Test Strip Kit is an in vitro rapid assay for the surveillance of Avian Influenza Virus. This test utilizes immunochromatographic technology. A positive test result appears within 15 minutes.

Bird flu has caused severe economic losses to the Southeast Asia poultry industry. This technology helps farmers, veterinarians, public health workers and government officials to rapidly implement proper control measures, manage disease, and ultimately reduce the economic loss associated with this disease.

SYNBIOTICS Corporation will market this in certain Asian and European countries immediately and will make the product available globally once the respective government approvals are granted including in the United States upon USDA licensure.

SYNBIOTICS Corporation develops, manufactures and markets veterinary diagnostics, instrumentation and related products for the companion animal, large animal and poultry markets worldwide. For more information on SYNBIOTICS Corporation and its products, visit the company website at www.synbiotics.com.
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Sorry I copied it from a web page and the font did not show up.
 
Here it is again
 
Your local health department can get kits here.
 
http://www.synbiotics.com/News/Press_Releases.html
Synbiotics Corporation launches FLU DETECT™ Antigen Capture Test Strips 
 March 16, 2005- Synbiotics Corporation, the preferred resource for animal owners and professionals dedicated to the health and well-being of animals is pleased to announce the launch of FLU DETECT™ Antigen Capture Test Strip Kit which was uniquely designed for veterinary use. The product, launched at VIV Asia, Bangkok, Thailand, detects all 15 H sub-types of Type A Flu. The product can be used farm side or in the laboratory for the detection of Type A Flu including H5N1, with higher sensitivity and specificity than similar products; most of which have been developed for human use.
The FLU DETECT™ Antigen Capture Test Strip Kit is an in vitro rapid assay for the surveillance of Avian Influenza Virus. This test utilizes immunochromatographic technology. A positive test result appears within 15 minutes.
Bird flu has caused severe economic losses to the Southeast Asia poultry industry. This technology helps farmers, veterinarians, public health workers and government officials to rapidly implement proper control measures, manage disease, and ultimately reduce the economic loss associated with this disease.
SYNBIOTICS Corporation will market this in certain Asian and European countries immediately and will make the product available globally once the respective government approvals are granted including in the United States upon USDA licensure.
SYNBIOTICS Corporation develops, manufactures and markets veterinary diagnostics, instrumentation and related products for the companion animal, large animal and poultry markets worldwide. For more information on SYNBIOTICS Corporation and its products, visit the company website at www.synbiotics.com.
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Tel : +1 858 451 3771 (ext 1101)
Email: louisv@synbiotics.com
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Is this for real?  I thought that it took days to get results.  ???
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The more I read, and the more I study, the more positive I become that the USA is at a minimum, 6 months behind on "discovery."   But why?   If we all figured it out, there is a whole slew of scientists that know.   Yes, scientists come in slews.   What good does it do to not report it?   Or is it possible that everyone is just as STUPID as all the state employees I ran into in Oregon?
 
As you already know, the US Government released to all states its "plan of attack."   That plan of attack is based on their knowledge that the Pacific Coast states will be hit first, with Alaska leading the pack.   There are four "flyway zones" and the Atlantic states will be hit last.
 
Please look at this map that Jhetta posted:
http://www.fao.org/ag/againfo/subjects/en/health/diseases-cards/migrationmap.html and notice the flight pattern around Alaska.   Does it look like we will be getting much reporting out of that state? 
 
Also, although Jhetta typed out the key issues in this article, it has much more impact when you read it on line:
 
My crow population is down to about one dozen.   They used to sit in a oak tree of mine, all cawing at once, and there were hundreds.   I just sent an e-mail to all of my neighbors asking that they phone me if they find any dead crows.   I said to not touch them and don't let their dogs or cats eat them.   I also mentioned to not let their children play where there is bird feces.
 
It's so sad.   Do you realize that the days are gone when we used to all pick up a wild bird that had been hurt and try to nurse it back to health?
 
The reason that more dead birds are not found is because they usually get eaten by other wildlife.   I was lucky to find the three I did, but I could tell they had died that day.   They would not have lasted overnight with all the raccoons, opossum, fox, skunk, coyote, etc. that this area has.
 
Someone asked how I feel.   I think all my "aches" are just due to hard work, and all my other flu symptoms are just imagined!   If I start getting severe stomach cramping (I have had it slightly) I am going to the emergency room quickly...

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Kathy,
 
I have also noticed a lack of crows in our area.  Bonney Lake, WA.  They usually just drive my dogs nuts..flying over and playing games.  Making noise.  Haven't noticed this is so long, and see crows rarely these days it seems.  Too strange.  I haven't found any dead crows, however, but I have been watching for them.  Take care.
 
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Kathy,

The UN seems to think that crows are at risk for H5N1...

"The experts voiced special concern over threatened species in biodiversity “hot spot” areas like Viet Nam which are also big poultry producers, one of the disease’s main vectors. Over 80 per cent of known bird species, both migratory and non-migratory, may also be at risk, with members of the crow family and vultures of particular concern."

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Now I don't see any crows this morning, and this is the first time that has ever happened.   It is not due to lack of food since they eat the leftover grain that my llamas get each morning, plus the duck and geese food.
 
I just noticed "Twiggley's" posting.   I just wanted to make he or she aware that West Nile virus is not a concern yet in Oregon.   Yes, we do have it here, but it does not emerge until the end of spring or early summer.   It is still too cold for mosquitos to hatch.
 
Even the head State Vet agrees that the crows are not dying from WNV.   It could be poison, but I doubt it.   Large numbers of birds are dying all over the state.   They strangely wash up on shore, drop in flocks from the sky, get discovered floating in lakes and ponds, and/or just disappear!
 
The reason that more are not found, at least in Oregon, is because they get eaten quickly by predators, which brings up the whole question of cross contamination.....

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Watch for dead cats, dogs, raccoons, and other animals.

Fromt he posts that I have seen here and elsewhere, I am now convinced that WHATEVER it was coming up from Central America, IT IS HERE!
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?????Central America?????

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Originally posted by kathylynndean kathylynndean wrote:

This is my first time posting, and I have not read any of the other postings yet.   In doing research, I came across this site.

I thought you might find it interesting that I sent the pasted e-mail below to my county via all means, to the CDC via all means, to PBR, ABC, and numerous Avian Flu centers and reporters.   I only did the later when the county never got back to me.

Absolutely no one has returned my calls, e-mails or faxes.

In doing research, I realized that crows can be one of the first indications of the Avian Flu.   In 1999, I believe it was the Chicago Zoo that found numerous dead crows that tested to "only" have "West Nile Virus."   ONLY?

I do have a large pond that draws many bird species.   I have four domestic ducks, and a pair of nesting Canadian Geese.   Approximately 3 dozen wild turkey visit my property daily, and the male goose attacks the turkeys due to the nesting female.   My point being that all species come in contact with one another, including the crow population that steals the duck and geese food.   I also have four pair of wood ducks (aix sponsa) that visit daily, along with the normal Great Blue Heron and Kingfisher because I have goldfish.   The goose is nesting on my island in the middle of the pond.   They are wild geese.

Please read my e-mail pasted below, and realize I live in Oregon, a coastal state and migratory flight path for geese and many other species of bird:

From: Kathy L. Dean [mailto:kathylynndean@MYDOMAIN.com]
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:16 AM
To: 'publichealth@co.josephine.or.us'
Subject: Potential Bird Flu...
Importance: High

IMPORTANT...Faxed to (541) 474-5353

 
Monday, 20 March 2006
 
Kathy L. Dean
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Public Health Department
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715 NW Dimmick Street
Grants Pass, OR 97526
Phone: (541) 474-5325
Fax: (541) 474-5353
 
 
Subject:  Potential Bird Flu
 
To Whom it May Concern:
 
Sunday, 19 March 2006, I found two dead crows on my property.   The day prior, Saturday, 18 March 2006, I found one dead crow for a total of three.   I picked them up with gloves, and have all three in a plastic bag for testing.
 
In researching "Crows and Bird Flu" on the web, it seems that crows are a major carrier of the bird flu.   Japan, Kenya and many other countries detected bird flu due to finding several dead crows.   None of the findings were all in one area though.   The birds were in some cases miles apart.   I found all three in different spots on my approximately six acres, and none seemed to be injured in any way.   I believe they died on the days I found them because rigormortis had not set in.   Also, had they been left overnight, stray cats, raccoons, opossum, coyote or fox would have eaten them.
 
The only reason I spotted them is because I keep my property so clean.   All six acres is raked of leaves and debris, so spotting something like that is easy.   I totally cleaned my property for fire safety and beautification this past year.   Had they died on anyone else's property in Williams, I doubt if they would have even been seen.
 
I realize that if the bird flu comes to the USA, it will probably be via a Coastal State.   Please send someone to my property to pick up the dead crows for testing.
 
Thank you, and let's all hope it is not what I think it is.
 
Sincerely,
 
 
Kathy L. Dean
 
Sent via fax and e-mail and phone
 
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Kathy, You win the hero award this week for all the verbal obstacle abuse courses you had to traverse in full speed. Thanks for sharing all your hard-won data on which agencies are supposed to be monitoring the wave of incoming infected birds. We bird watchers need to contact people quickly regarding "birdland". The lifeless birds on the land....

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I'm concerned and await your next post on the crow results. Thank you.

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State Summits

·                     March 27 Boise, ID

·                     March 27 Austin, TX

·                     March 28 Albuquerque, NM

·                     March 29 Oklahoma City, OK

·                     March 30 Portland, OR

·                     March 30 Los Angeles, CA

·                     April 10 Nashville, TN

·                     April 13 Anchorage, AK

·                     April 14 Tacoma, WA

"Worldwide, there are many strains of avian influenza virus that can be spread by migratory fowl. These viruses can cause varying degrees of illness in poultry."

"The spread of a highly pathogenic avian H5N1 virus across eastern Asia and into Europe represents a significant threat, with health professionals concerned about a potential human pandemic. This virus has passed from infected poultry to humans and other mammals, and has had devastating impacts on poultry farming in several nations."

·                     Avian Influenza (PDF) (409KB) (U.S. Geological Survey)
Find in-depth information on avian influenza in the USGS Field Manual of Wildlife Diseases.

http://pandemicflu.gov/issues/

Under Birds and Animal Issues

 

I can’t make Austin, TX hope you can make Portland, OR

I find it interesting they don’t post any location or registration information? I’ll keep looking, dial-up is SLOW!

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Originally posted by kathylynndean kathylynndean wrote:

?????Central America?????



Read this string first.
http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1469

Then read this.

http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=954
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I am going to try to find out more information on the Portland meeting via Google.   Thanks so much Annie.

This is a listing of all "State Contacts" that are supposed to know what is going on.   In Oregon's case, the contacts listed knew nothing.   I know that for a fact since I talked to them last week.

http://pandemicflu.gov/state/statecontacts.html

It is very frustarting to me to read so many Govt. documents and there is never a mention of crows.   In fact, in the PDF document listed by Annie, "Raptors" are listed as the least likely to carry H5N1.   The Govt is making it sound like only water fowl carry the disease.   I have not been able to find one Govt paper that mentions crows, or other "non-water fowl" species of birds.   How is this possible?
 
I just printed out the forms I have to submit along with the birds tomorrow.   I will keep you posted.   Thank you so much for the compliments; I don't deserve them.   I think anyone would have done the same thing after having to deal with SYLVIA!  Dead
 
She should be sent to each state just to upset the citizens so much that they do the same things I did...
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Joe, Central America makes a lot more sense to me than Alaska!   So does Brazil  and South America due to its close proximity to Africa.   I never could understand why there did not seem to be a "concern" other that the fact the US Govt talked about H5N1 spreading south from the US.
 
Why was there never concern about birds following boats, or being transported via boats either out of South Africa, or traveling around the cape?   I realize that the western African nations do not have luxury cruise liners, but cruise ships do travel up and down the coastline, and over to South America, Central America and North America.   So do birds.
Almost all diseases (AIDS) start in places close to the Equator and/or with poor sanitory conditions such as China.   They sleep, eat and coexist with their livestock as you know.   So it does make a lot more sense to me that H5N1 would travel north rather than south.   I love Mexico, and have been there many times, but H5N1 could travel up the Baja Peninsula and no one would even notice!
 
It would explain San Diego and LA reports of bird die-offs, too.   But it makes no sense to me that the USA would not have tested for H5N1 and reported it.   Are they lying until a vaccine is developed?   I don't get it...

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A short article telling about a "mysterious disease" which is killing off swine in some areas of India, along with peacocks. They don't detail what the disease is, and leave an apparent inaccuracy in the report where they quote officials as saying pigs can't give diseases to humans. I read a hunter saftey report that advised that dogs can not get H5N1.  However there is a conformation of a dog dieing of it on the news feed http://www.newsnow.co.uk/newsfeed/?name=Bird+Flu 

I am starting to become more concerned by the day. Hopefully I am just getting paranoid from reading to much.

I got the flu 2 months ago in Southern California.  I am still having
significant trouble... my heart is not doing that well, every time I climb the stairs I have trouble... The slightest exertion exhausts me and my chest tightens up. I have been to the doctor multiple times with the diagnosis of pneumonia and now bronchitis.  My kidneys have been hurting for over two months.
 
Last week my mother in Colorado was hospitalized after suffering with the flu for weeks.  Her heart started acting up and her lovely doctor sent her home with the right side of her heart not functioning correctly and her lungs filling up with fluid.  (Her doctor was leaving for a two week vacation in CA) After my brother and I forced her to return to another doctor they admitted her to the hospital and discovered after many test that she has blood clot in her lungs.

Today my mother informed me that my sister in law developed the flu in another Colorado town and has developed problems with her kidney function... her ankles are swelling so badly that she is afraid the skin will split.

I have not been able to find much information regarding H5N1 symptoms... this is the best I have found to date.

http://www.vetpathology.org/cgi/content/full/40/3/304

"Infection with influenza A (H5N1) virus, which has not been associated with respiratory disease in humans previously, caused clinical signs of acute respiratory distress syndrome and multiple-organ dysfunction syndrome with high mortality in humans in Hong Kong in 1997. To study the pathogenesis of this disease, we infected four cynomolgus monkeys (Macaca fascicularis) with 2.5 x 104 median tissue culture infectious dose (TCID50) of influenza virus A/Hong Kong/156/97 (H5N1)...The main lesion was a necrotizing broncho-interstitial pneumonia (4/4) similar to those found in primary influenza virus pneumonia in humans, with desquamation of respiratory epithelium (4/4), intra-alveolar hemorrhage (4/4), hyaline membrane formation (2/4), and infiltration with neutrophils and macrophages (4/4). Lesions in other organs consisted of a suppurative tonsillitis (2/4) and necrosis in lymphoid organs (1/4), kidney (1/4), and liver (1/4). By immunohistochemistry, influenza virus antigen was limited to pulmonary tissue (4/4) and tonsils (2/4). Based on these results, we suggest that the cynomolgus monkey is a suitable animal model for studying the pathogenesis of human H5N1 virus infection and that multiple-organ dysfunction syndrome in this disease may be caused by diffuse alveolar damage from virus replication in the lungs alone. "

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I found this somewhat older posting today saying crow to crow transmission of H5N1 was suspected by Japanese scientists.
 
I wonder if those suspicious were ever confirmed?
 
Is there any website a health department staff member could refer to, independently, for a definitive list of all animal types known or suspected to be carrying/transmitting H5N1, such as crows?
 
Since they are busy, and many callers may sound hysterical or underinformed, these people will need a way to prioritize which calls to act on. If they could be referred to a "non-hysterical" independent source on the Net, which shows the best known info for each animal type and the sources of info leading up to that conclusion, they may act more often and share that list with their colleagues independently.
 
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Mutation of Bird Flu virus into a new strain is possible warn Japanese scientists
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=7367
Monday, March 27, 2006 3:23:07 PM GMT-8
In Kyoto Prefecture, it was confirmed that the virus had spread to crows in the first of such reports worldwide. Infected crows continued to be found even after chickens had been buried, and the route of infection remains unknown.
Toshihiro Ito, a professor at Tottori University's agricultural department who has researched the subject, said the virus was likely to have been transmitted from crow to crow. "There seems to be a chain of infections among crows," Ito said.
Therefore, it is possible that the virus could evade eradication for some time, according to Ito. "I can't deny the possibility that another outbreak could occur," he said.
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Kathy,
    The above link has info about testing in our state and basically they said they would have results for you in a matter of hours.  I don't do any of the out of state testings or not.    I put the above link, to show my source, but I will paste the information in here as well:
If avian flu strikes humans in the United States, the effects could be devastating. Officials in Washington estimate the economic impact alone could reach $600 billion, not to mention the two million American deaths an outbreak could cause.

Scientists say the current outbreak of avian influenza is the most severe on record. Unprecedented numbers of birds have died from the disease in several countries around the world. So far, there is no evidence that the most deadly of bird flu strains, known as H5N1, has entered the United States. But officials are still planning for when, and if, that happens.

Four-hundred South Dakota leaders gathered at a pandemic flu summit in Sioux Falls earlier this month. The main message at the conference was clear. Hope is not a strategy of defense, and preparation must begin at the local level.

“The time to prepare is now, that preparedness really pays off, and that preparedness is not a spectator sport and it really takes the participation of everyone in the community to result in the kind of seamless reaction that we need,” said Dr. Julie Gerberding, head of the Centers For Disease Control, at the summit.

So, the front line in the battle against bird flu has wound up at a local institution of higher education: South Dakota State University. If a dangerous strain of avian influenza makes its way to South Dakota, researchers there will be the first to know.

“Within the state, as far as avian influenza on birds, we would be the only ones doing that testing,” said Jane Christopher-Hennings with SDSU.

Researchers at SDSU take swabs of genetic material from birds, and examine them to see if there's any trace of H5N1. It's a several-step process that involves making tiny copies of genetic structures.

“Basically what that is, is an enzymatic reaction that will take the DNA, or in this case RNA, and amplify it so it could be detected,” Christopher-Hennings said.

The tests can be completed in a matter of hours, and that's something State Veterinarian Sam Holland says gives South Dakota an edge in detecting the disease.

“Right now, we've got avian influenza, not in the United States but in certain parts of the globe, H5N1 influenza in birds that has rarely transmitted to people,” Holland said.

Holland says the danger lies in the possibility that the bird virus could mutate more, so it could be passed from human to human. And because humans won't have any immunity to the disease, it could spark a world-wide outbreak. “We want to do surveillance and find it day one, and nip it in the bud, if it's a serious virus involving poultry,” Holland said.

“We don't know that it will be passed from person to person, but like any influenza it is what we call, genetically-mobile, meaning it can change quite a bit with its genetics,” Christopher-Hennings said.

Many of SDSU’s samples are provided by Game Fish and Parks offices across South Dakota. Department Secretary John Cooper says having a local testing site that's watching for the most dangerous strain of avian flu is crucial. “This is like handling evidence, really. The more people who handle the birds, the more chances there are for mistakes. By being able to go directly from Game, Fish and Parks over to the lab in Brookings, we eliminate the chances for problems and mistakes,” Cooper said.

All of the test results are stored on a computer and carefully monitored. Any trace of H5N1 would be immediately reported to state officials and the Centers for Disease Control so quick action could be taken to stop it from spreading.

“There's no reason to panic, it’s about being prepared in case something would happen,” Cooper said.

And SDSU is playing an important role in that process, by being a local line of defense in a growing, global concern.

Here are several websites with more information:

South Dakota State University

Centers For Disease Control

United States Department of Agriculture

South Dakota Department of Health Pandemic Flu Plan

Preparing Your Family For A Pandemic




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Monday, March 27
PESHAWAR: [Pakistan] Residents of the provincial capital and the areas adjacent to it, have been scared by reports of bird flu after hundreds of crows and kites (cheel) have mysteriously died in the area in the three days following confirmation of bird flu in two NWFP districts.

 
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Information on Pandemic Planning for United States
 
I visted California and Oregon and it seems the planning is in Process 
 
http://www.pandemicflu.gov/plan/states/oregon.html
The state of Oregon, HHS and other federal agencies will hold a pandemic planning summit on March 30, 2006, with public health and emergency management and response leaders within the state. 

http://www.dhs.ca.gov/home/PanFluSummit/
California-Los Angeles Joint Pandemic Influenza Preparedness Summit
March 30, 2006
2:30 p.m. to 6:00 p.m.
Los Angeles
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I will try to write more later this evening.   I took my frozen crows, along with fecal samples from all animals on my property (llama, Nubian goat, wild turkey, domestic duck, Canadian geese, crow and last but not least, my 19 year old cat, to the Fish and Wildlife Department this afternoon.   I also included a sample of my pond water.
 
Mark Vargas of ODFW will hand carry all of the above to a meeting in Salem tomorrow, then hand it all off to someone going to Corvallis.   The whole operation made me a bit nervous.   Vargas confirmed that this will be the FIRST H5N1 test for Oregon.   Absolutely ridiculous.
 
I am glad to hear that South Dakota has a handle on things.   I have not yet looked at the links.   I had read a very recent article last week that said both Japan and Kenya found out that H5N1 was present in certain districts due to the testing of crows.   They seem to carry the virus PRIOR to poultry contamination, and it upsets me so much to keep reading US Govt articles that only refer to "Waterfowl."
 
I have the complete list that the US Govt put out, re: All birds expected to carry H5N1 once it hits the USA.   I will post it later; have to unpack groceries!   I hate it when chores get in the way of birds!!!
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The response to bird flu: Too much or not enough?
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/03/27/news/worrier.php

 
By Donald G. McNeil Jr. The New York Times
 
TUESDAY, MARCH 28, 2006
 
 
NEW YORK: Dr. David Nabarro, chief avian flu coordinator for the United Nations, has become gun-shy about making predictions - in particular, about if and when the H5N1 virus, now devastating bird populations around the world, will do the same to humans.
 
But Nabarro describes himself as "quite scared," especially since the disease has broken out of Eastern Asia and reached birds in Africa, Europe and India much faster than he expected it to.
 
"That rampant, explosive spread," he said, "and the dramatic way it's killing poultry so rapidly suggests that we've got a very beastly virus in our midst."
 
Nabarro, the former chief of crisis response for the World Health Organization, admits that he has been accused before of being an alarmist.
 
On his first day in his current job, he was quoted as saying that the avian flu could kill 150 million people.
 
In December 2004, when he was in charge of the health organization's response to the Indian Ocean tsunami, he warned that if help did not arrive quickly, cholera and malaria could kill twice as many people as the waves had just swept away.
 
In Darfur the same year, he said that 10,000 people a month were dying in refugee camps because the Sudanese government was rebuffing aid.
 
Earlier in 2004, he warned that Israeli roadblocks were endangering Palestinians who needed drugs for diabetes and high blood pressure.
 
Asked to reflect on those warnings, he answers: About Darfur, he was dead right; on the Palestinians, he was also right, but massive infusions of aid kept death rates down; and on the tsunami, he said, he made his dire forecast when only 40,000 people were believed dead, and the world's abundant generosity paid for the clean water and mosquito control that prevented the worst from coming true.
 
On avian flu, he notes, he predicted a range of 5 million to 150 million deaths - the same range the World Bank was using - but headline writers quoted only the higher figure. And how many does Nabarro now say could die? "I don't know," he said. "Nobody knows."
 
But he repeatedly said that he is more scared than he was when he took the job in September. In October, he predicted that the virus would reach Africa, where surveillance is so poor that deaths of chickens or humans could easily go undiagnosed for weeks. Last month, he was proved right.
 
The infection of millions more birds in many more countries "has led to an exponential increase of the load of virus in the world," he said. And influenza is a fast-mutating virus. Each infected bird and person is actually awash in minutely different strains, and it takes lengthy genetic testing to sequence each one - so if a pandemic strain were to appear, "it might be quite difficult for us to pick up that change when it happens."
 
To skeptics who doubt that the H5N1 strain will become a threat to humans because it has existed for 10 years without doing so, he counters that it had the same 10 years to move out of Southeast Asia, but it did not until last year, when it shot across half the globe.
 
The skepticism reminds him of his stint in East Africa in the 1980s. No one realized then how widespread the AIDS virus was, and it was unclear then whether it was transmitted by sex. Some experts argued that sex was such an inefficient method of disease transmission that it would never be much of a threat. It has now killed 20 million people and 40 million more are infected.
 
"We failed to give it the proper focus, right at the beginning," he said.
 
Like early AIDS, he said, avian flu has too many unanswered questions, like: Why did the disease, after years of smoldering in poultry, suddenly start hitchhiking in migratory birds? Why does the northern China strain - the one now spreading westward - cause so many false negatives in diagnostic tests? Why did so many people fall sick so quickly in Turkey?
 
"Bits of the puzzle are missing," he said. "In six months, will we be cursing ourselves for missing some key phenomena now?"

 
He said he fears that the virus will soon be endemic in birds everywhere, rendering containment fruitless and condemning the world to mounting a perpetual vigil for human outbreaks. Its movement into cats frightens him even more because humans routinely curl up with them.
 
Mutations making it less lethal to humans may, paradoxically, be bad news, he said. A disease that kills half of those it infects often burns out before it reaches new victims, while one that leaves 98 percent of its victims alive, as the 1918 flu did, rapidly reaches hundreds of millions because it has so many carriers.
 
As a public-health bureaucrat, the 56- year-old British doctor wants to come across as "honest, accurate, down-to- earth, someone who can translate complex facts in a way that makes emotional sense to those receiving them."
 
Still, there is something about his voice. Experience has made him wary of misquotation, so he chooses his words as carefully as a surgeon picks through his tray of instruments. But his enunciation is chilling - reminiscent of Basil Rathbone as Sherlock Holmes, describing with slow, awful precision how a body was mutilated.
 
Even his lighthearted similes come across that way. An Oxford graduate and son of a prominent doctor, he knows the value of a yard chicken because he has worked in Nepal, northern Iraq and East Africa fighting malaria and malnutrition.
 
Each bird that lays eggs until it ends up in the pot, he said, "is a short-term savings account with a high rate of growth and a yield that no bank can match."
 
Culling ruins Third World farmers the same way canceling Social Security would devastate the American working class. It forces the poor to hide their flocks and thus protect the virus.
 
Nabarro rejects the word "gloomy" as a description of his outlook, but if he were an oncologist, his patients would flee.
 
He works out of rented UN offices in the Chrysler Building in New York and spends much of his time traveling. But that will end abruptly if the disease starts spreading to humans. There will be, he predicted, a "period of wonderment," while the authorities figure out whether the first cases are real, then borders will close, airports will shut down and travelers everywhere will be stranded.
 
"Assuming I'm here, I'll just camp down, probably in the Secretariat, and stay there for 6 to 10 weeks," he said referring to the UN headquarters.
 
That means he will not be with his wife and five children, who are in Switzerland, where he was posted with the health organization, or in college in England. He has not stockpiled Tamiflu, the antivirus drug, for them or for himself, he said, although he does carry a box of it to show at meetings. They, too, will have to hunker down where they are.
 
"But they know the job I'm doing," he said. "They see me as I'm plotting the virus on maps."
 
The one aspect of his job that makes him more optimistic is that the world is waking up to the threat of bird flu. In January, Nabarro went to a summit in Beijing hoping to raise $1.2 billion for the fight. He got $1.9 billion. Still, that is just a beginning, he said.
 
"We spend billions to protect ourselves from threats that may not exist, from missiles, bombs and human combatants," he said. "But pathogens from the animal kingdom are something against which we are appallingly badly protected, and our investment in pandemic insurance is minute." 
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The United Nations just finished a major meeting in which crows and the range of birds that could be affected was discussed:
 
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Press Releases March 2006 - Avian Flu May Prove Big Threat to Biological Diversity - United Nations Environment Programme
http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multilingual/Default.asp?DocumentID=471&ArticleID=5235&l=en
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Species at Risk
The experts, including a team from the Centre for Ecology, Evolution and Conservation Wildlife Disease Group at the University of East Anglia in the UK, estimate that 13 orders of birds amounting to well over 80 per cent of all bird species may be at risk from H5N1.
These include storks, herons, parakeets, emus, owls, eagles, kites and vultures as well as the largest avian order, the Passeriformes.
This order, which contains 6,000 of the total 9,917 avian species, include scavengers like crows.
Meanwhile some 54 globally threatened or near threatened species are at risk from exposure including 80 per cent of sea and fish eagle species.
Mammals at risk may include domestic rabbits, primates, viverrids which include civets and genets, mustelids like polecats, stoats, weasels and wolverines and felids which include big cats.
The experts suspect that the highly refined olfactory systems of some mammals may make them particularly susceptible to infection by viruses like H5N1.
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ah, but if you see crows or ravens plummeting dead from the sky, remember west nile...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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BUZZARDS CONFIRMED WITH H5N1:
 
Buzzards are not crows, but they are both birds not widely known to carry H5N1, and thus may not be screened. And since they both eat just about anything, including droppings of other birds, that may be a shared modality of transmission, I guess. The Wall Street Journal mentions this short item about Buzzards being confirmed:
 
An EU lab confirmed that a buzzard found dead in southeastern Denmark two weeks ago was infected with H5N1, the Nordic country's first case of the disease.
An EU lab confirmed that a buzzard found dead in southeastern Denmark two weeks ago was infected with H5N1, the Nordic country's first case of the disease.
 
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I also found this elaboration of detail, which includes a little more source info in case anyone ever desires it:
 
 
A European Union reference laboratory has confirmed that a buzzard found dead in Denmark two weeks ago was infected with the deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu, authorities said Tuesday. The dead bird found near Naestved, southeastern Denmark , on March 14, was the Nordic country’s first case of the disease. The EU laboratory in Britain confirmed test results by the Danish Institute for Food and Veterinary Research showing the buzzard was infected with H5N1.
All EU members send samples to the EU laboratory in Weybridge , England , for final verification. The reference lab said the virus found in Denmark is identical to the one found in Germany and in Poland , the Danish Institute for Food and Veterinary Research said.
So far, 11 cases of the virus have been found in Denmark . Danish authorities have established protection zones around the different locations where the birds have been found.
 
 
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BUZZARD CONFIRMED WITH H5N1 IN GERMANY TOO:
 
Per Yahoo new on March 24:
 
BERLIN (AFP) -     Bird flu reached the German capital when it was confirmed that a dead buzzard found on the balcony of an apartment block was infected with the H5N1 form of the virus.
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The infected bird was found in the eastern Berlin district of Marzahn, authorities for the city state of Berlin said.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Wow, is this really a surprise to anyone though?  Good to have confirmation, however.  Thank you very much, James USA.  Take care.
 
 
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Capricornmonkey:
 
I had the impression from the overall gist of this topic that many health department and government officials don't realize crows and other birds are a likely vector, and that ideally they also should be monitored to learn when H5N1 is coming into America or X county.
 
I am also guessing that busy government workers are going to be more and more bombarded with half informed, gurgling callers worrying about everything relevant and not relevant. So in the end, the more we can deliver to them hard, credible sources of iinfo on what animals need monitoring in their area, or represent a real risk, the better.
 
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James USA:  Welcome...
 
You are correct in your impression/assumption...but, I for one, never understood why experts thought that crows and vultures could not contract it..they are birds, after all.   ???  I believe that a good number of us, probably had the same ideas..and wondered why crows and vultures were once thought not to be able to get it..but then again..they also thought that pigeons couldn't get it either..and they have..sooooooo. 
 
Lots of great information here.. It won't take you long to know everything that we know.  Take care.  Peace.   
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Sudden death of 700 chickens, hundreds of crows scare the inhabitants
Monday March 27, 2006

ABBOTTABAD, March 26 (Online): Bird flu killed more than 700 hens and hundreds of crows in Moza Mangaseel on the border of Punjab and NWFP while inhabitants of the region were desperately scared of mysterious wave of death among birds .

As per details the region is famous for large scale poultry industry where thousands of hens are being reared in different small scale to large scale poultry farms. Local health department has sealed the poultry farm where sudden death of hens occurred and a team of specialists from Peshawar and Rawalpindi has been given emergency call .

Local veterinary doctors fear that such large scale death of hens is the strong indicator of the presence of H5N1 virus which is feared to have spread in the area due to migration of birds to this region though they believe blood test of affected birds will resolve the mystery .

http://paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=138666
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I was just wondering if anyone else had seen this information. Birds tested last year in Alaska that carried H5N1? I consider myself pretty "up" on what's going on with bird flu, but this is the first I've heard about this. If true then I guess we don't have to wonder anymore when bird flu will show up here!!!!Shocked   http://www.fluplan.com/avian-flu-alerts/avian-flu-alerts-03272006.html
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I don't think this is correct--possibly taken out of context or mis-reported? I was at a talk several weeks ago by an Alaska university biologist, a PhD, and understood him to say the sampling to date had indicated some Alaskan birds carried a virus (not unusual) but it was not H5N1. I'm looking for my notes.
 
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I think this is where they got the "10%" number:
 
According to this article from the University of Alaska Fairbanks Newsroom entitled "Deadly bird flu not in Alaska, yet ": "Thirty of the 290 samples tested positive for various bird flu viruses, but none of the viral isolation and subtyping to date has detected H5N1."
 
It's sorta like that kid's game Post Office, but a little more frightening when we're talking bird flu.
 
Article is here:
 
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Originally posted by mommabear mommabear wrote:

I was just wondering if anyone else had seen this information. Birds tested last year in Alaska that carried H5N1? I consider myself pretty "up" on what's going on with bird flu, but this is the first I've heard about this. If true then I guess we don't have to wonder anymore when bird flu will show up here!!!!Shocked   http://www.fluplan.com/avian-flu-alerts/avian-flu-alerts-03272006.html
 
H5N1 in Canada has been confrimed by Recombinomics
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/02190603/H5N1_North_America.html
 
Recombinomics Commentary
February 19, 2006
59 samples from several species, including whooper (_Cygnus cygnus_) and mute swans (_Cygnus olor_), Canada geese (_Branta canadensis_), tufted ducks (_Aythya fuligula_) and a hawk (_Accipiter gentilis_).
Excessive viral loads indicated highly acute systemic infection. Sequencing of the HA proteolytical cleavage site showed a polybasic pattern (SPQGERRRKKR*GLF) indicative of highly pathogenic properties. Limited phylogenetic analysis of a 600 nt fragment of the HA gene revealed closest relationship with recent isolates from Romania, and, more distantly, with sequences from whooper swans of Lake Erkhul, Mongolia.
All positive cases are restricted to the island of Ruegen, where large numbers of migratory birds are wintering.
 
The above comments provide additional support for significant levels of the Qinghai strain of H5N1 in western Europe.  The above list is limited to dead birds on Germany's Ruegen Island.  Prior studies, including the OIE Mission Report indicated about two dozen species shot out of the sky in southern Siberia, carried H5N1 asymptomatically.  These data, couple with the widespread detection of H5N1 in dead birds throughout western Europe suggest H5N1 was present in northern Siberia in the summer of 2005 and migrated to western Europe in the fall.
 
The number of reported die-offs were large (see December map) http://www.recombinomics.com/H5N1_Map_2005_QinghaiL_December.html, yet none of the EU countries detected H5N1 until very recently (see February map) http://www.recombinomics.com/H5N1_Map_2005_QinghaiL.htmlMany reported Newcastle disease outbreaks, which are frequently cited in countries that subsequently become H5N1 positive.  This linkage goes back to H5N1 in Indonesia and China in 2003 and 2004 and continues to the present.  Many countries in the Middle East have also reported recent Newcastle Disease outbreaks, as has India.
 
The failure of these countries to detect H5N1 is cause for concern.  The widespread reporting of H5N1 in Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and India suggest surveillance in all of the recently reporting countries is poor.  However, reporting in neighboring countries that have yet to confirm H5N1 is beyond poor.
 
The surveillance shortcomings likely extend to North America. 
If H5N1 was present in northern Siberia in the summer, it was probably also present in North America because of the connection via the East Atlantic Flyway. 
 
Canada did widespread testing on young ducks capture in August of 2005.  The ducks were swabbed as part of the banding experiments and H5 was detected in all reporting Provinces.  Although H5N1, H5N2, H5N3, and H5N9 were detected, all reported characterizations were of LPAI. 
 
Since the collection were limit to young ducks in the south in August, H5N1 positive birds in the north may have been missed
 
However, these birds in the north as well as those banded in the south should have migrated into the United States as the temperature in Canada dropped, yet the United States has not reported H5 this season.  These negative data raise serious questions about the surveillance systems in North America.
 
As the H5N1 positive birds in the East Atlantic Fly migrate north in the upcoming months, they will once again head for western Europe and eastern North America.
An evaluation of detection and reporting in western Europe and North America would be useful.
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