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Medclinician2013
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http://www.ktvu.com/ap/ap/california/nurses-to-march-on-vegas-strip-about-ebola-prep/nhS5t/
LAS VEGAS — U.S. hospitals aren't ready for an Ebola outbreak, according to nurses who staged a "die-in" Wednesday outside a Las Vegas Strip resort where they were holding a union convention. Many protesters in the crowd of about 1,000 who attended the Planet Nurse convention wore bright red T-shirts and suits resembling hazardous-materials gear as they streamed through the Planet Hollywood casino floor before crossing Las Vegas Boulevard to the Bellagio resort. Ebola "can easily come to our shores, and we're not ready," said Julia Scott, a registered nurse from Largo Medical Center in Florida who was attending the California Nurses Association and National Nurses United convention. At the sound of a gong, Scott and dozens of other protesters dropped to the sidewalk in front of the iconic Bellagio fountain, where others used chalk to outline their "dead" bodies, writing the hashtag #StopEbolaRNRN inside the tracings. It was followed by a moment of silence for international health workers who have died while caring for Ebola patients in West Africa. "It's not acceptable that these people are dying," RoseAnn DeMoro, executive director of National Nurses United, told her fellow protestors. U.S. policymakers are in denial, DeMoro said. "It is going to come here," she said. Union representatives called the protest a "die-in." They pointed to a recent case of a patient tested for Ebola at a northern California hospital. In that case, the Kaiser Permanente South Sacramento Medical Center ruled out the Ebola virus. Union nurses complained the patient was in contact with health workers in a public waiting area for about a half-hour. Medclinician |
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Dead accurate, Med!
Thank god it is not here yet and we have time to prep. |
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/25/obama-urges-world-to-do-more-to-tackle-ebola/?intcmp=latestnews
President Barack Obama, in a chilling assessment of international efforts to stem a deadly Ebola outbreak, said the world has not done enough to respond to a health crisis that poses a growing threat to regional and global security. "There is still a significant gap between where we are and where we need to be," Obama said Thursday in remarks to a high-level United Nations meeting on Ebola. The crisis in West Africa is the largest ever outbreak of Ebola, with more than 6,200 people believed to have been sickened, almost half of whom have died. U.S. health officials have warned that the number of infected people could explode to at least 1.4 million by mid-January, though they have also cautioned that the totals could peak well below that if efforts to control the outbreak are ramped up. Margaret Chan, director of the World Health Organization, addressed the Ebola meeting ahead of Obama and warned that the outbreak will likely get worse before it gets better. The virus, she said, is "still running ahead, jumping over everything we put in place to slow it down." Obama has dispatched 3,000 U.S. troops to Liberia to set up facilities and form training teams to help the Africans treat Ebola victims. On Thursday, top lawmakers in Congress also approved the use of leftover Afghanistan war money to begin funding Obama's $1 billion request to help fight the outbreak. While Obama touted U.S. contributions, he warned other nations that the U.S. does not have the capacity to fight the epidemic on its own. "Everybody's got to move fast in order for us to make a difference," he said. "If we do, we'll save hundreds of thousands of lives." U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon also urged world leaders to "step up" efforts to fight Ebola. comment: Something needs to be done internally in America to prepare us for an outbreak here. Laws need to be passed to set in place stricter safety precautions for those displaying symptoms which are likely to be infected with Ebola and take those individuals out of the common waiting areas at the Emergency Rooms. ER restrooms can areas of contamination and infection and if it reaches a point of limited airborne spread, the hospital Emergeny Rooms can spread this in the U.S. Medclinician |
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The problem with this suggestion is that, like with many other Category A bioterror agents, Ebola presents exactly as an influenza-like illness (ILI) in its early stages! Fever, headache, malaise etc. We already monitor for ILI, so it will require hospitals to really step up to the plate. If a single case lands on US soil, the alarm bells will go off and the medical community will get damned serious in a hurry. However, this won't happen until the first case shows up. It won't be pretty.
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My question what do we need to get over and above gloves and masks? Can someone from our medical community here make a list of what we need? I have been looking but really don't know.
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Excellent point, FluMom - and one that's getting put on the backburner while we discuss other modes of transmission. Despite all the discussions about whether or not it's airborne, what we do know for certain is that it's primarily spread by contact with infected bodily fluids, so gloves and hand sanitizer would be my first choice. It's an enveloped virus so anything with an alcohol content of 60% and up should kill it. They're using bleach solution in Africa for handwashing (probably because it's cheap and still readily available) but I'm not certain of the concentration. I remember reading somewhere that's it's as high as 10%, but I just did a search and nothing showed up. That's strong enough to make your eyes sting just from the fumes - I'm not sure I'd want to be using that on a regular basis.
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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10 is what they taught us in college micro.
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http://www.interaksyon.com/article/96085/us-hospitals-unprepared-to-handle-ebola-waste
CHICAGO - US hospitals may be unprepared to safely dispose of the infectious waste generated by any Ebola virus disease patient to arrive unannounced in the country, potentially putting the wider community at risk, biosafety experts said. Waste management companies are refusing to haul away the soiled sheets and virus-spattered protective gear associated with treating the disease, citing federal guidelines that require Ebola-related waste to be handled in special packaging by people with hazardous materials training, infectious disease and biosafety experts told Reuters. Many US hospitals are unaware of the regulatory snafu, which experts say could threaten their ability to treat any person who develops Ebola in the US after coming from an infected region. It can take as long as 21 days to develop Ebola symptoms after exposure. The issue created problems for Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, the first institution to care for Ebola patients here. As Emory was treating two US missionaries who were evacuated from West Africa in August, their waste hauler, Stericycle, initially refused to handle it. Stericycle declined commentMedclinician |
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I don't even know what to say about this except its just ANOTHER example of government not being prepared and GROSS incompetence http://survivalblog.com/letter-re-jwrs-ebola-comment/ Letter Re: JWR’s Ebola Comment |
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Med,if the CDC had already sterilized these peoples apartment or moved them to a quarantine area,I would say that the CDC was ready. But they have not done either one of these things yet. We are only talking about 4 people. The CDC has not even given them clean sheets for the bed that this Ebola patient slept in. They are still sleeping on the same sheets that he did.It looks like they could have gotten them clean sheet by now. I think that some one finally started delivering food after 2 days.
Again we are only talking about 4 people.Johnray1 |
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Our country can't even handle the one case in Dallas appropriately. That family of the man with Ebola is living in Ebolaville.
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Where is the info source on microwave decontamination?
I've been wondering about that scenario.
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Actually - all we know for certain is that apparently Texas can't handle one patient. Apparently they were napping when they went through the CDC's Ebola training program. |
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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It makes sense - I know a lot of hazardous waste is disinfected by passing it by multiple microwave generators on conveyor belts before being shredded. |
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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good God isn't that the truth ? one mistake after another after another and all the time they keep telling us what a great job they are doing "your doing a heck of a job Brownie" |
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At least they have someone dealing with the bedding now. And when that guy catches it, all they need to do is pick up another copy of the Pennysaver and find his number again.
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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you've got to be kidding ? well Dr Frieden what ya got to say about this ???????????? Why America's Not Ready For An Ebola Outbreak (In 1 Photo) |
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The Handling of this Ebola Crisis Is Like a Bad Horror Film |
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Medclinician2013
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Well, DrJohn, certainly with our massive resources and protective gear, we should have taken care of this. While airborne is still debated, contact spread is very possible and demonstrated by Ebola even in the original strain. Is there a reason no one wants to go into this area? Medclinician |
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Hello Satori - so far I don't think this is a banned link http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-handling-of-this-ebola-crisis-is-like-a-bad-horror-film_102014 We hate to be the one to state the obvious (again), but how much more like a bad pandemic movie is this so-called “Ebola crisis” going to be allowed to get? Yes. “Allowed.” The word was chosen carefully here. Why? Let’s start back at in oh, let’s go with June, back when Ebola first began murdering people in Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone. Somewhere between 300 and 400 people had died, and the news was still fit for little more than the ticker tape at the bottom of the screen on most 24/7 networks. Barely anyone was even paying attention. People shrugged it off with little fanfare and the apathetic attitude of, “Well, that’s just what happens in Africa sometimes…” The death toll continued to rise. Ebola continued to openly spread. No travel restrictions between borders were put in place. No air travel bans were instituted. No nothing. Finally officials had to call it — this Ebola outbreak was the deadliest in known human history. So what did that change? Not much. The World Health Organization (WHO) declared the situation was “totally out of control” and “one of the most challenging Ebola outbreaks ever.” So challenging in fact, that they rushed to action by…calling a meeting. Meanwhile, more people died. The virus continued to spread. The healthcare system in these African nations was finally — not surprisingly — overwhelmed. No one in the mainstream press bothered to mention the fact that biowarfare researchers from Tulane University and the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, Fort Detrick had just so happened to have been over in the Ebola hot zone countries, propagating cultures of different types of Ebola viruses (and Marburg virus and Lassa virus and Dengue virus and West Nile virus and yellow fever virus and chikungunya virus) in labs in the years leading up to this outbreak. Here’s one of the scholarly articles published from that research just this past July in the CDC’s journal Emerging Infectious Diseases. In it, the researchers conclude, “PRNT is the laboratory standard for immunologic assays… In the ebolavirus PRNTs, we did not include the newest discovered ebolavirus, Bundibugyo virus, which cross-reacts with EBOV [Ebola virus] in immunoassays. Ebolavirus infections in Sierra Leone might be the result of Bundibugyo virus or an ebolavirus genetic variant and not EBOV.” - See more at: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-handling-of-this-ebola-crisis-is-like-a-bad-horror-film_102014#sthash.Trka6YyU.dpuf |
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Apparently the lady who spoke to Anderson Cooper had more sense than to continue using Duncan's bed and has been sleeping on the couch. Certainly doesn't give the authorities in Texas a pass though.
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
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If we cannot treat a single patient and demonstrate the ability of our medical system in the U.S. to do so, how could be hope to deal with an Ebola epidemic? The handling of the isolation, the diagnosis, releasing him back into the general population, and ignoring the fact he clearly stated he was from a part of West Africa hard hit by Ebola, will go down in history much like FEMA's response to Katrina.
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/nation/2014/10/06/Ebola-patient-struggling/stories/201410060090 DALLAS — The first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States was fighting for his life at a Dallas hospital Sunday and appeared to be receiving none of the experimental medicines for the virus, a top U.S. health official said. Thomas Eric Duncan became ill after arriving in the Texas city from Liberia two weeks ago, heightening concerns that the worst Ebola epidemic on record could spread from West Africa, where it began in March. The hemorrhagic fever has killed at least 3,400 people out of the nearly 7,500 probable, suspected and confirmed cases. “The man in Dallas, who is fighting for his life, is the only patient to develop Ebola in the United States,” Thomas Frieden, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, or CDC, said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” In a media briefing with reporters Sunday, Dr. Frieden said he was scheduled to brief President Barack Obama today. Dr. Frieden said doses of the experimental medicine ZMapp were “all gone” and that the drug, produced by San Diego-based Mapp Biopharmaceutical, is “not going to be available anytime soon.” Asked about a second experimental drug, made by Canada’s Tekmira Pharmaceuticals Corp, he said it “can be quite difficult for patients to take.” Dr. Frieden said the doctor and the patient’s family would decide whether to use the drug, but if “they wanted to, they would have access to it.” “As far as we understand, experimental medicine is not being used,” Dr. Frieden said. “It’s really up to his treating physicians, himself, his family what treatment to take.” Mr. Duncan remained in critical condition, Wendell Watson, spokesman for Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, said Sunday. Earlier on Sunday, health officials said they were also seeking a “low-risk” homeless man who was one of 38 people who had potentially had contact with Mr. Duncan. Later on Sunday, a spokeswoman for Dallas County’s top political official, Judge Clay Jenkins, said the man had been found and was being monitored. At Wilshire Baptist Church in Dallas, parishioners prayed for Mr. Duncan, congregation member Louise Troh — who is quarantined because of her close contact with Mr. Duncan — and both of their families. “Although this disease has become personal to us, we realize we’re not the first to know its devastation, and we are not the ones most desperately affected,” associate pastor Mark Wingfeld told the church audience. He encouraged parishioners to focus not only on the Dallas family but also on those in West Africa stricken with Ebola. In Nebraska, another hospital was preparing for the arrival of an Ebola patient who contracted the virus in Liberia, a spokesman said Sunday. Taylor Wilson, Nebraska Medical Center spokesman, would only identify the patient as a male U.S. citizen expected to arrive today. But the father of Ashoka Mukpo, a freelance cameraman working for NBC News who contracted Ebola in Liberia, told Reuters on Friday that his son was going to Nebraska for treatment. The Nebraska hospital last month also treated and released, Rick Sacra, an American missionary who also contracted Ebola in Liberia. Dr. Sacra was admitted to UMass Memorial Medical Center in Worcester, Mass., on Saturday for a likely respiratory infection that is not believed to be a recurrence of the disease, hospital officials said. Mr. Duncan’s case has highlighted problems that American public health officials are trying furiously to address: The Dallas hospital that admitted him initially did not recognize the deadly disease and sent him home with antibiotics, only for him to return two days later in an ambulance. “The issue of the missed diagnosis initially is concerning,” Dr. Frieden said, adding that public health officials had redoubled their efforts to raise awareness of the disease. “We’re seeing more people calling us, considering the possibility of Ebola — that’s what we want to see,” he said on CNN. “We don’t want people not to be diagnosed.” Dr. Frieden said he was confident the disease would not spread widely within the United States. U.S. officials are also scaling up their response in West Africa, where Ebola presents an enormous challenge, he added. “But it’s going to take time,” Dr. Frieden said. “The virus is spreading so fast that it’s hard to keep up.” When asked Sunday if the United States should suspend flights to and from affected countries or impose a visa ban on travelers from those countries, Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said “absolutely not.” “When you start closing off countries like that, there is a real danger of making things worse,” Mr. Fauci said on “Fox News Sunday.” “You can cause unrest in the country,” he said. “It’s conceivable that governments could fall if you just isolate them completely.” The CDC has identified 10 people who had direct contact with Mr. Duncan as being at greatest risk of infection. Another 38 were being monitored as potential contacts, out of 114 people initially evaluated for exposure risks. None from either group has shown symptoms, health officials said. Ebola — which can cause fever, vomiting and diarrhea — spreads through contact with bodily fluids such as blood or saliva. comment: These are certainly not examples of the medical system's finest in dealing with what could be a possible epidemic of this in the U.S. Actions speak louder than words, and despite of all the hype we are so able to deal with this, these cases are not a demonstration of that.For those of us watching the unfolding of this- there is much soul searching as we try to sort out the written in stone statements we are not at risk. We should certainly pray they are right and our system is not put to the test because so far- it's not cutting it. Medclinician |
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The American medical system is not ready for what may be an upcoming Ebola Pandemic.
This is an absolute statement of pure fact. We neither have the resources or protocols in place to deal with it. I will continue posting on this thread and despite the myriad of other posts and threads - we are not ready for what is coming. http://video.foxnews.com/v/3844015102001/the-ebola-factor/#sp=show-clips Medclnician 10-17-14 10:28 AM PST |
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The current response to Ebola in the United States has been a relentless series of mistakes and poor judgement calls. To actually put an Ebola patient with a fever on a plane exposing many passengers to demontrate Ebola is not contagious, is ludicrous. It is highly contagious and it was a mistake to expose a planeload of people to it. It is spreading in West Africa and has gone to the United States.
Soon, it will be in every country in the world. We are not ready for Ebola in the U.S. We may have been ready for an Ebola which spreads in villages and kills everyone but this is not the Zaire strain. It is more than 200 times removed from that. We are ill prepared in the U.S. to even handle D68 or a large number of outbreaks, much less an Ebola which could soon be very airborne. Medclinician |
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Daily we demonstrate we are neither ready nor are exhibiting proof of claims they are to the world. They are not, nor will they be in the near future. It is better to be honest and state that there are limitations and people need to prepare for in some situations, there will be no health care will be available.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/19/fauci-tries-to-calm-us-after-missteps-on-ebola-amid-concerns-americans-have/ Ebola by nature mutates. Seeing as West Africa continues to see it spreading and in a few months there may be millions of cases - airborne or not - in the new strain- it is more contagious and due to people traveling can spread to the rest of the world. Medclinician |
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Does Ebola mutate faster or more easily than Avian Influenza viruses or other influenza viruses?
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The Judge makes a lot of good points. Personally, I don't have much confidence in the federal government controlling this mess. They shouldn't have allowed Thomas Duncan in to begin with, or at the very least placed him in quarantine!
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It's the ones that mutate rapidly that are actually very dangerous and will eventually be the cause of the next pandemic. Here is your information. http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/08/28/dna_sequences_reveal_ebolas_spread_and_mutations.html Gire said his study shows that more than 300 mutations have occurred since Ebola began infecting people in Sierra Leone. Every time a virus passes from one person to another, it is likely some mutations will occur, though not all of them will be passed down. What researchers worry about, however, are mutations that could help the virus become more infectious. The study’s authors pinpointed eight specific mutations on a section of the genome thought likely to be crucial to the virus’ survival. Gire said only future studies can draw conclusions on what these mutations mean — and speculating at this point would be irresponsible, Kuhn said — but it underscores the urgency of stopping this outbreak quickly. “The biggest takeaway from this is that as time progresses from this outbreak, the virus is accumulating mutations,” Gire said. “You roll the dice more often, the more likely you’re going to hit something that matters.” Medclinician comment: other diseases may take decades to mutate. Also The new bird flu could be mutating up to eight times faster than an average flu virus around a protein that binds it to humans, a team of research scientists in Shenzhen says. Dr He Jiankui, an associate professor at South University of Science and Technology of China, said yesterday that the authorities should be alarmed by the results of their research and step up monitoring and control efforts to prevent a possible pandemic. With genetic code of the virus obtained from mainland authorities, the team scrutinised haemagglutinin, a protein that plays a crucial rule in the process of infection. The protein binds the virus to an animal cell, such as respiratory cells in humans, and bores a hole in the cell's membrane to allow entry by the virus. The researchers found dramatic mutation of haemagglutinin in one of the four flu strains released for study by the central government. Nine of the protein's 560 amino acids had changed. In a typical flu virus, only one or two amino acids could change in such a short period of time, He said. "It happened in just one or two weeks. The speed may not have caught up with the HIV, but it's quite unusual for a flu." comment: so every one or two weeks and we have had 300 mutations of Ebola The fast mutation makes the virus' evolutionary development very hard to predict. "We don't know whether it will evolve into something harmless or dangerous," He said. "Our samples are too limited. But the authorities should definitely be alarmed and get prepared for the worst-case scenario." |
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Much slower. Influenza is only beaten by HIV. |
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