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    Posted: March 30 2006 at 3:32am
    Yet another report predicting what is essentially an economic crash should a pandemic occur.
As we are so reliant now, more than AT any other time in history, on the smoothish running of our knife edge economies, a pandemic Would crash the economy permanently, so question is, who pays for the vaccine work then?

Do food outlets (Wal Mart/Asda etc) ever have food delivered/sell food again?

Where do we get the gas from for our cars, heat for our homes, who pays for that when the economy has crashed?

We have no national industry now, it's all corporate shareholders and when those businesses have gone, they've gone.
If there is an econmomic crash and IF it is recoverable one day, how long? 1 year, 10 years?

Here's a bloody good tip. Sell ALL of your stocks and shares NOW and convert to cash as cash may still have a value of sorts
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withdraw all cash from the bank NOW as when an economy crashes, the banks by definition crash to and all your money/barter is lost forever. Get it NOW before word gets around.

And learn about self sufficiency, sooner than later, because things really may never be the same again.


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    also atBird Flu Could Cause Global Economic Catastrophe

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"Osterholm outlined the following scenario in the event of a global flu pandemic:

      The U.S. healthcare system will be overwhelmed almost immediately;
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Government services such as garbage collection, police protection, and even some local water supplies, are likely to be disrupted.
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The global economy would grind to a standstill as many employees do not show up for work, borders are closed and the transportation system shuts down.

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KEV, thanks for the links.

Interesting side note:  I've been preaching the avian flu threat for some time with an old friend who is a sucessful day trader. He has been skeptical all along.  Yesterday, HE sent me a pandemic effects on the economy warning!

The herd is begining to spook.  Slow pokes will get trampled.


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The European Joint Research Centre Avian Flu Page has an excellent website at the following....


http://disasters.jrc.it/AvianFlu/index.asp?news=true
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    great site!
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I agree that the herd is starting to be spooked.  The precious metals markets are skyrocketing.  Gold and silver are at or near decades-long highs and not showing signs of slowing.  Precious metals are the typical "safe haven" during uncertain economic times.
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Here is a link to see what the Gold market is doing. BiteMe 3M is quite right....take a look.
 
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This is what one site claimed in November 2005:

"If bird flu were to cause a human pandemic through mutation, would eventually drive gold prices higher. Why? An irrefutable and ongoing international crisis such as one that might occur in a rolling pandemic killing millions erodes belief in central government; absent a belief in central government, the value of paper or "fiat" money becomes questionable, then fungible, then worthless.

People in the West, having never for the most part (in this generation, anyway) been exposed to a crisis of survival, do not understand how truly fundamental is the human affinity for gold or silver. Money metals evolved in a fierce competition over 20,000 years - their value is literally "hard-wired" into the human psyche. Should a real crisis loom, the price of metals might well rise in concert with its REALITY (as opposed to HYPE about an impending reality). Throughout the millennia it has been an accurate gauge of panic. Is everyone so sure that the bird flu pandemic is destined to wipe out millions? The price of real money, gold and silver, should tell us so."


http://goldprice.org/news/2005/11/bird-flu-and-gold-price.html

Also contained this balancing article:

So how should a gold investor approach a potential bird flu or other widespread health crisis? First, by not panicking or being too hasty to draw conclusions based on a possibility that is still relatively remote. Buying or selling an investment vehicle based solely on fear is a sure recipe for failure in the financial markets. Investment decisions must be based upon one's discipline, whether technically or fundamentally based, which negates the possibility of emotion getting in the way of the buying and selling process.

That said, the fear of a major bird flu outbreak -- even if the chances of an actual pandemic are remote -- will be among the factors supporting the gold price in the next few years. Gold is a major barometer of fear and does tend to rise in value with an increase in public fear and pessimism. Now that we're only eight years away from the bottoming of the K-wave/120-year cycle we've entered the "fear stage" of this long wave cycle. The gold price tends to outperform other investments at two points along the K-wave: the first during the peak inflationary phase (a' la the 1970s). The next during the deflationary phase such as we're now in.

With the "hard down" phase of the 120-year cycle comes an increase in warfare, natural disasters and even pestilential outbreaks (the previous 120-year cycle bottom saw major epidemics of smallpox and cholera). But equally important is the widespread lingering fear that the final few years of the 120-year cycle engenders. This fear, though unwelcome to some, is actually a bolster to the price of many hard assets, including gold and silver. The "Wall of Worry" that is essential to keeping the long-term upward trend of prices intact is kept alive by fear, including fear (whether grounded in reality or not) of various pandemic threats. Gold's longer-term uptrend will most likely continue to be bolstered by such fears.
    
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Great article, Harpmandoodle.
I need to re-evaluate my portfolio. 
 
Say, for those in the know...would it be wise to take a small loss today & purchase physical gold & silver bars as a future asset?      
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What about buying some jewelry for use as barter items (when it's safe to come out of quarantine, of course)?  Jewelry is small and portable, and if you can afford a few gold pieces, I'd think it would be a good item to buy.  Plus, you can always sell it later if nothing happens.
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What is eerie is we are like the titanic and the musicians who played till the end .  I feel things will go along as usual right till the end .   We are a mixed lot we are used to our life style and I think alot of people have been lolled in to quiet based on the hard to transmit the virus talk .  it wont be till the deaths in the States and Canada that we will take notice in measurable numbers.
 
 
Don't forget we are used to hearing about deaths from Africa and Vietnam
famine Ebola it not new till it hits our shores
then Kaboom
 
P.S I too have money in gold stocks and I am waiting til it hits here to sell.
Red Lake area.  I am not trying to get people to put there money in gold .
I have just enough that I can afford to lose FUN MONEY
 
gold is hot hot hot
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It's still a bit early for complete divestment.

For example, European markets are booming while in the midst of the spread of the disease inside the borders of the biggest economies. It's true that gold is trading at a 25 year high today, but the volatility of that market is huge. To convert massive amounts of one's holdings to gold at this point is a real risk. One should always have about 5% of assets in cash anyway, but to do anything in panic mode is a sure hedge against making money. It's just too soon. Today, CNBC was touting the "players in the flu sector." This mindset will continue until the traders are dropping dead on the floor of the exchange.

That said, it would be wise to have some cash in hand. And perhaps Amethyst's idea of jewelry for barter is a good one. A more sought-after commodity for barter could be alcohol, for drinking, anaesthesia, disinfection, etc. People will pay dearly in trade for a bottle of Jack Daniels in hard times, to assuage their fears and their sorrows. Those tiny airline bottles could come in handy. I wonder what the exchange rate will work out to be?

All I'm saying is try to look at financial moves as rationally as possible. These are the backstops for the rest of your existence. Markets are fickle, as are viruses. Continue your preps. Liquidate assets LAST.

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Alcohol would probably be a good trade item too.  Not to mention, empty wine boxes can be always used to carry preps. 

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Note that this possible pandemic is not the only threat to your lifestyle. Note also that the gradual slide of the developed nations is virtually inevitable, as is the coming worldwide shortage of food, water and land. 
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Tobacco products would be a great product for barter!  Take it from a hypnotist.  I see people everyday who think they need them!!!  Especially during stressful times.

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We are in the most vulnerable economic position in our country’s history. With the national debt at record levels, any economic crisis will spell disaster. The depression occurred at a time when the country was still an agrarian society; there was a food surplus in production. Now, the exact opposite is true, we will have high unemployment with no food surplus. Nasty combination when combined with massive debt.
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The nations that own our debt know that it would be suicide for them to liquidate all their dollar-denominated foreign exchange assets at once. This does not preclude, however, their gradually moving into a less one-dimensional stance by reallocating to Euros, Yen, etc., thereby weakening our economic position without torpedoing their own economies. These moves are already taking place. Syria, China, and Japan have already taken quiet steps in this direction.

The new Iranian oil bourse will open trading in euros, NOT dollars.

The key for the average person is to not panic and wreck your finances. Sure, we are in a precarious position, but the world's stability depends in large part on the stability of the US economy, regardless of how shabbily it is being run at the moment. Other coutries know this. They would much rather dance around the bull in the china shop, than piss it off and get themselves wrecked in the process.

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What this news should mean in ways that are usuable to us  is that you need to protect your starkist  health
If the healthcare  system and finacial stability is going to colapse then the only thing you will own is your health Paper money gold liquior gone maybe 
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Men get your prostate checked women pap smears and mamagrams.
get your blood sugar checked high blood presure .
 
i hate doing these tests but for the sake of my child I will now not later.
 
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Very true red.

However, there are frightening first steps taking place. The UAE is divesting themselves of central bank dollar reserves, China is threatening the same if we impose sanctions regarding the trade imbalance. All it would take is two or three central banks divesting in dollar reserves to cause a possible cascading effect against the dollar. I have to agree with you about the global economy tied to the dollar, but for how long considering the Euro's strength compared to the relative weakness of the dollar? Of course, the average investor has absolutely no control over fiscal policy other than hedging against the dollar.
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Deanna,

You're absolutely right. In the event, economic collapse (short or long) is a given. There is so much more to survival than money alone.

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I've been debating back and forth about buying some gold coins, but its looking like perhaps we should go ahead & do it with what's left in our savings.
 
 
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Post WW1 cash in Germany had no value. One loaf of bread was priceless. Commodies had value. IMO.
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MissRx, you're money will have less purchasing power as time goes on, whether we have BF or not, simply because the govt. is printing too much. Gold is not really an investment device in the sense that you make money, it protect your purchasing power!! Always has, always will! Get the highest grade gold, don't buy numismatic (collectible) coins, because the premium is too high. Also get some silver.
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Silver is also an easily recognizable form of barter wealth that has an easy to establish value, and yet is more easily used for barter due to its lower overall value. (As compared to gold). Pre-1964 90% silver coins are known by almost everyone, and are certainly known for their value by anyone who would be dealing in black market goods.

After all, if you are talking about bartering, then you are saying you have not turned over your wealth to the government, and as such any bartering at that point would likely be black market. (I/E, Illegal)
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I like gold coins plus silver and liquior and cigs for trade and seeds.
  But  only after you got your health checked out  after all it still your biggest asset. 
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Greetings!  Is anyone collecting gemstones and jewelry?
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The Canadian Mapleleaf is the eaiest to buy and purest quality - purer than the American Eagle. You could buy 1 oz coins over the phone, last I checked (which was a while ago). Probably can buy them online by now.

Lou Rukyser used to say that gold was a hedge against making money. I don't own any right now, but it is starting to itch in the back of my mind. Barter-able commodities will be in great demand, if and when the axe falls. Pharmacists may prefer alcohol or grains to paper money, in payment for meds. Think of all the sheeple who are not prepping, and what they will need. It boggles the mind how individually unprepared we are.

The stock market won't crash until people literally stop coming to the trading floor. It may go like this: when the first poultry cases are ID'd in the US, the market will correct a bit, but most traders will see that as a buying opportunity, just as they did after 911. Shares of poultry producers like Tyson will crash further than they already have. When the first human cases are ID'd, another swoon, but it will come right back over the course of a week. Shares of companies that are "flu players" will trade furiously. Much money will be made in a very short time. It will take announced quarantines in several areas at once to really stagger the markets. When the transport system for just-in-time stocking fails, then the bottom will drop out. I know these people. They will risk their lives to cash in on ANY trade. I plan to be out much sooner than that.

CitizenBlue, you are correct about central banks moving to currency strength, but it is being done out of the public eye, in small increments that can be absorbed by the system - for now. It was this exact situation that forced me to move 20% of my assets overseas a couple of years ago. How many stories have you seen on CNN about dollar weakness and Chinese foreign exchange holdings? Zero. But you can be sure that those in this country who hold large positions in US Treasuries are doing the same - moving out of them in a slow steady fashion. If they did it in full view, it would cancel their profits instantly.

So, I agree that it will happen, but it may be in slow motion to prevent a meltdown that is no one's interest. If you want to see a frighteningly accurate portrayal of how this might occur as a panic, rent the movie "Rollover," with Kris Kristoferson and Jane Fonda - if you can find it. Most copies were removed from shelves at the behest of the Arabs. It was too real for them.
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Can anyone post up a link to  a place where
 I can purchase gold & Silver coins? We have
$$$ that I Would like to be put into gold
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!!

I appreciate any help!
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You might try the Royal Canadian Mint:

www.mint.ca

Look in the "shopping" section. They have a 1/25 oz coin for $70 Canadian.
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Does the currency exchange matter when buying gold in Canada
from the U.S.? As far as getting more for your money, etc?
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Originally posted by MissRX MissRX wrote:

Does the currency exchange matter when buying gold in Canada
from the U.S.? As far as getting more for your money, etc?
 
You can purchase gold bullion via the internet.  Here is a source in CA.  I would recommend 1/4 ounce or 1/10 ounce American Eagles to start with.  While it is true that Maple Leafs have a slightly higher gold purity, the American Eagle is the most popular gold bullion in the US and is likely to be easier to use as a new form of currency IMO.  Good luck!
 
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Sure does. Canadian dollar is at $1.1597US, as of 5 minutes ago.
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Sorry. Backwards AGAIN. US$ is worth 1.1597CAN.
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Cigs, Alchohol, Ammo, peanut butter, hard tack,anything somebody else wants, I think bartering is a great way to trade now, start practicing bartering skills, sounds country, is country, but it is a great way to trade and survive. 
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Purchasing gold coins is not wise, unless you are specifically collecting coins.

Otherise, it's akin to buying mountain ranges because they contain precious metals.

That analogy is not perfect, but I'm trying to impress upon people that coins do not equal gold, in terms of value, ounce for ounce. Coins are less valuable than the 99.9% pure, troy ounce of gold, which is currently trading (by speculators) at around $580 per ounce on the futures market.

At any rate, our world economy is no longer tied to a gold standard, for better or worse, as we are in the 'fiat age.' The rules are arranged in such a manner that speculating on gold is probably statistically more risky than speculating on major foreign currencies (this is just my humble opinion, so take it for what it's worth - it's free).

Powerful forces have colluded to cause war, inflation, rampant speculation and utter confusion among the masses.

Welcome to the era of shadow networks, global commerce, and shadow governments, all having ideological and far-reaching implications for all of us 'huddled masses.'

If you want to have a semblance of what the invisible hand is that drives commerce, politics, and the common people, read this:
 
The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve
 
By: G. Edward Griffin
 
 
 

Where does money come from? Where does it go? Who makes it? The money magicians' secrets are unveiled. We get a close look at their mirrors and smoke machines, their pulleys, cogs, and wheels that create the grand illusion called money. A dry and boring subject? Just wait! You'll be hooked in five minutes. Reads like a detective story — which it really is. But it's all true. This book is about the most blatant scam of all history. It's all here: the cause of wars, boom-bust cycles, inflation, depression, prosperity. Creature from Jekyll Island will change the way you view the world, politics, and money. Your world view will definitely change. You'll never trust a politician again — or a banker.

Has it ever occurred to you that the federal government has no need of taxes for revenue? Are you aware that banks prefer lending to governments because governments seldom repay loans? Do you realize that if all debts, both public and private, were paid, there would be no money at all in circulation?

These are only a few of the startling facts that fill the pages of this illuminating expose of the Insider scam called the Federal Reserve System (Fed). Although author G. Edward Griffin admits to having wondered if another book on the Federal Reserve is necessary (his six pages of bibliography suggest that the subject may have previously attracted attention), it is unlikely that any book has ranged across 2,000 years of money and banking from Diocletian to the Rothschilds to Alan Greenspan -- and tied it into the new world order -- as thoroughly as The Creature From Jekyll Island.

Griffin cuts through the obscurities about the Fed that are intentionally meant to mystify and disarm its victims (all of us). Convinced that the subject of money and banking is too arcane and complicated to understand, we victims are trapped in a world view that utterly fails to jibe with reality. The money manipulators, says Griffin, are exploiting our ignorance for the advancement of their own appalling plans; the urgency of awakening us to our danger has driven Griffin to write this extraordinary book.

Although Griffin has never held an academic position, he is a top-notch teacher. Making this little-understood subject simple by splendid organization, his account is divided into six sections with varying numbers of chapters; each section and chapter is introduced by a concise paragraph while each chapter is also summarized. Thus the reader is kept in touch with where he has been and where he is going, an ingenious and helpful device considering the enormous scope of Griffin's narrative.

His explanations and definitions are meticulously worded; one can sense the care with which each word was chosen, leaving no room for confusion.Griffin continually draws documentation from primary sources, quoting letters, speeches, and published works that both enlighten and horrify. His own writing is difficult to quote; it is so trenchant that nearly every sentence entices.

Yet at the same time Griffin has mastered the art of speaking personally to the reader, who never loses the feeling of being directly addressed. All this adds up to a superbly clear, engrossing book that, once started, is impossible to put down.

 

Setting the Stage

In order to help us fully understand our present predicament, Mr. Griffin ranges far afield in explaining the historical, economic, and political antecedents of today's money system. We are given a crash course on the nature of money; the origin of banks and the concept of fractiorial reserves; how this led to the seductive idea of using the same money over and over; how this inevitably led to economic disaster wherever and whenever tried. We are instructed about the Rothschild formula, which perfected the art of making enormous profits from loans to governments, especially for wars; how this led to preventing any one nation from becoming strong enough to establish peace (the famous balance of power); how those who could instigate wars or revolutions were financed (including the Bolsheviks in 1917); how we Americans were sucked into World War I in order to save J.P. Morgan's loans to England; how environmentalism is now the weapon of choice replacing war.

We are taken to the supe-secret meeting of Insider financiers and Rothschild agent Paul Warburg on Jekyll Island in 1910 where the basic plan for what became the Federal Reserve Act was formulated; we learn that these plotters were already affiliated with the conspiratorial British one-world Round Table group which preceded the Council on Foreign Relations (our secret government); we are astounded by the brazen deception of Congress that pushed through this unconstitutional act creating the Insiders' fundamental tool -- a central bank with the ability to inflate. We are told how this same tool has been expanded internationally through the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank in order to create worldwide inflation, pay enormous sums of perpetual interest on never paid-up loans to Insider banks, and socialize the Third World, all courtesy of us unsuspecting taxpayers. Lastly, Griffin foretells our dismaying fate if our course is not altered; then he lays out a step-by-step procedure of how to alter it, inviting us to join with him in doing so.

Griffin looks the Fed "creature" straight in the eye and tells us it is not federal, it has no reserves, and it is not a bank. It is, in fact, a pernicious cartel operating against the public interest.

The widespread belief that the Federal Reserve exists to "stabilize the economy" is hogwash; the real reason -for its existence is the making of money -- not out of "thin air" as is commonly supposed, but, more accurately, out of debt Griffin explains that it is the act of borrowing by the federal government that causes money to spring into existence.

Griffin takes us through the Open Market steps by which Treasury IOUs (bonds) are inverted by the Federal Reserve into money through the issuance of Federal Reserve checks with no money in existence to cover them; anyone else doing this would go to jail.

Congress has made this legal for the Fed, however, because this hidden process allows our congressmen to enjoy unlimited revenue without having to visibly raise taxes. Without this service, says Griffin, the monetary/political ·partnership would dissolve, and Congress would abolish the Fed.

 

Money Multiplied

Griffin explains that these Federal Reserve checks are endorsed by the government, deposited in a Federal Reserve bank, and used to pay government expenses by checks which create the first wave of fiat (unbacked paper) money that floods into. the economy.

Recipients deposit these checks into commercial banks that are part of the Fed system. Here is where the real inflationary action is. (The Federal Reserve holds "only" seven percent of the national debt of almost $5 trillion. The 12 percent held by foreigners and the 56 percent held by Americans are not inflationary because the money used for purchase already existed.)

Commercial banks, like the Federal Reserve, also create money out of nothing -- and collect interest on it -- by multiplying every dollar deposited nine times. This amazing feat is accomplished through the device of fractional reserves, whereby the Fed allows 90 percent of deposits to be loaned out. As deposits become loans and loans become deposits, this process repeats with smaller numbers each time around. For instance, $1 million in government money (first wave) gives birth to $900,000 (second wave), which gives birth to $810,000 (third wave), etc., until the process plays itself out. Thus, the banking cartel creates an amount of money that is nine times the amount of the original government debt that made the process possible.

Griffin shows that when the original debt is added in, the Federal Reserve and the commercial banks together have created approximately ten times the amount of the underlying government debt. Since this newly created money causes the purchasing power of all money to decline, the resulting rise in prices is, in reality, a hidden tax. As Griffin puts it:

Without realizing it, Americans have paid over the years, in addition to their federal income taxes and excise taxes, a completely hidden tax equal to approximately ten times the national debt!

Griffin is atonished at the public's indiference to this fleecing; he blames it on ignorance based on disinformation.

Nothing could prove him more right than the current deception that inflation is higher prices caused by full employment-and a strong economy; therefore, letting the "steam" out of the economy and slowing growth (and thereby employment) is "good." This talk is madness. Alan Greenspan, chairman of the Federal Reserve (who has the temerity to say he is "worried about inflation"), is repeating this claptrap as he pretends to control inflation by increasing interest rates that merely devastated the bond market, clobbered the stock market, and helped only the bankers. Thus the Insiders are perfectly protected and the scam rolls on.

There are many more threads to Griffin's discourse on the operations of the banking cartel that should not be missed, such as:

How holders of Treasury bonds can be paid off only by the creation of an identical bond out of nothing.

Why the U.S. has to be, must be, in debt.

How the Discount Window (Fed loans to banks) creates more phony money.

How the federal government could operate without levying any taxes whatsoever.

How the Fed causes booms and busts.

How, since 1913, our money has depreciated by over 1,000 percent.

How a gold standard automatically stabilizes prices.

How the Fed can now monetize the debts of foreign governments!

Without the extensive knowledge offered by Griffin, no American can fully understand the financial reality of our time.

 

Undestanding the Game

Also critical to our reality check is an understanding of how the Fed protects and enriches the banking brotherhood in the international arena. The game our Insiders are playing makes the Rothschilds look like novices. Here it is in a nutshell: The game starts with a mammoth loan (created out of nothing through the magic of fractional reserves) from one of our megabanks (Citicorp, Chase Manhattan, Bank of America, etc.) to a Third World country with scant means of servicing the debt much less ever repaying the principle.

Are these top bankers stupid? Hardly; Griffin explains that this is the kind of loan these bankers love, since they make their money from interest on the loan, not on repayment of the loan. They prefer the loan never to be repaid. They know they can't lose because the Federal Reserve guarantees that massive loans that go into default will not be allowed to seriously affect the issuing bank (too big to fail) because this would "disrupt the entire economy."

So, says Griffin, "since the System makes it profitable for banks to make large, unsound loans, that is the kind of loans banks will make. Furthermore, it is predictable that most unsound loans will go into default." Sure enough; pretty soon default threatens. The bank creates additional money out of nothing and lends that so its interest stream continues on both the original loan plus the new loan (the "roll-over" play). At the next crisis, the bank creates still more money out of nothing to cover the interest on both loans plus an additional amount for the borrower to spend freely (the "up-the-ante" play). Finally the bank agrees to a lower interest rate and a longer period for repayment (the "rescheduling" play). Eventually it is time for the "Final Maneuver." Congress agrees to guarantee future payments and the wbole mess is shifted to the backs of U.S. taxpayers while the borrower is trapped into an IMF "austerity" program that makes an "end run" around his sovereignty.

Now money moves through various foreign-aid channels to the deadbeat borrower, who continues to pay perpetual interest to the bank. Almost all of this money is generated by the Federal Reserve; as it moves out into the economy it dilutes the value of the money already there. The American people, says Griffin, have no idea they are footing the bill to enrich the Insider bankers.

 

Founders' Fears Realized

Readers may be surprised to learn that the Federal Reserve is the fourth central bank the United States has had, the previous three having crashed in inevitable raging inflation and widespread economic disaster. So clearly did our Founders understand and fear worthless paper money forced on the public by legal tender laws (precisely what we now have) that they filled the proceedings of the Constitutional Convention with statements of their horror of it. We Americans today, deprived of hearing such truth, need to listen to their words:

George Mason of Virginia: "I have a mortal hatred of paper money."

John Langdon of New Hampshire:"I would rather reject the whole [Constitution] than grant the new government the right to issue fiat money."

George Reed of Delaware: "The right to issue fiat money would be as alarming as the mark of the beast in Revelation."

Thomas Paine: "The punishment of a member of Congress who should move for such a law ought to be death."

Griffin does not stop with presenting the known picture, but projects today's reality into the future. His first projection is a doomsday scenario; his second is a realistic plan for saving our country and ourselves. These chapters might, after all, be the most important ones in the book.

Griffin sees doomsday as an engineered financial debacle the severity of which will cause panicked Americans to welcome a World Bank "rescue" with a world currency. The IMF/World Bank is already functioning -- in conjunction with the Federal Reserve -- as a world central bank. A world currency is already designed. awaiting a crisis to justify its introduction. From this point on, writes Griffin, there will be no escape from the new world order. At present the U.S. is being deliberately weakened by seemingly insane spending both at home and abroad: As just one more dismaying example, during President Clinton's recent trip to Europe he blithely promised more billions of dollars to Poland, Ukraine, and the Baltic countries. The name of the game is to spend -- on anything, anywhere. The object is to bring down the system.

 

Life in the New World Order

What will life be like in the Insiders' new world order? Griffin spells it out from the words of the Insiders themselves. One source is the 1966 secret Hudson Institute study commissioned by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, entitled Report from Iron Mountain.

This study cold-bloodedly discusses various means by which government might control the populace and perpetuate intself in power in the absence of war (UN peace).

Griffin's review (with extensive quotes) of this truly diabolical Insider study is masterful; he takes it apart and shows us its consummate evil. The study's premise is that historically the only means by which a government has ever been able to "secure the subordination of citizens to the state" is war. Only war has been able to provide the external threat without which no government can accumulate power. War is used to make the masses put up with all kinds of privation, taxation, and controls without complaint. No amount of sacrifice in the name of victory is rejected. Resistance is viewed as treason.

But, says Griffin, Report From Iron Mountain explains that the war system may have to be replaced because "it may now be possible to create a world government in which all nations will be disarmed and disciplined by a world army, a condition which we will call peace." In this case, what could be a substitute for war?

Here, explains Griffin, is the origin of the stratagem to promote ecological doom as the new enemy that threatens the entire world. The threat need not be real, provided the masses can be convinced it is real. Credibility is the key, not reality. Griffin writes that Report From Iron Mountain explains the avalanche of phony scientific claims ·are uncritically publicized by the Insider-controlled media, as well as the funding of environmental "crazies" by corporations and businesses that would appear to have the most to lose. He sees the plan as being brilliantly successful.

The barrage of propaganda has had a phenomenal result. Politicians are now being elected on nothing but "concern for the environment and a promise to clamp down on nasty industries," with no one caring about the damage done to the economy or our freedoms. Just as no sacrifice is too great in time of war, what happens to the economy or our freedom is of no consequence "when the very planet on which we live is sick and dying."

Griffin introduces us to multi-millionaire Maurice Strong, the powerful UN environmental czar, who gives us the whole line: The U.S. is committing environmental aggression against the rest of the world. Current lifestyles of the affluent middle class -- high meat intake, frozen and convenience foods, electric household appliances, cars, air conditioning, suburban housing -- all this has to go. The world's ecosystems can be preserved only by lowering our standard of living by rationing, taxation, and political domination by world government.

Reading this section will forever change the way in which you view government. Yet, says Griffin, this perverted, power-mad Insider fix need not prevail. None of these dreadful things needs to happen. He outlines a procedure by which the Federal Reserve can be abolished, the national debt paid, and the country returned to a sound monetary system based on silver and gold.

All that is needed are the efforts of concerned and caring Americans. Griffin invites us to join him in freeing ourselves from the one-world conspirators.

It can be done.

- JANE H. INGRAHAM

(The New American / September 5, 1994)

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I wonder if its best to purchase gold coins in person with a
vendor, rather than on the internet...


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Miss Rx, if you really want to have a barterable form of wealth, you might want to check out what has happened, and is likely to continue to happen for the forseeable future, to Silver.

It can be purchased online, on e-bay, etc. I have posted a link below for a reputable company, that by the way, also takes credit cards, and operates on a very small margin.

http://www.bulliondirect.com/index.jsp
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MissRx, any decent sized coin shop will have gold or silver coins for sale.  American Eagles or Canadian Mapleleafs are both good. Junk Silver, pre-1964 silver coins with no value beyond the silver content, can also be bought.

Minted gold coins are easier to sell than jewelry or ingots because they are recognizable for what they are, and will not require testing to determine quality. 

Everyone is right. Gold is volitile.  It is not an investment. It's a hedge against inflation.  But as a gold/silver bug for several years now, I've seen its value double.

Expect to pay a premium over the spot gold price when you buy (about 5%). If you sell, expect to get a little under spot.  This gap is how gold traders make their money.




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Redcloud, the Silver American Eagle is pretty well recognized anywhere in the world. As is the Canadian Maple Leaf. But how is it that the Maple Leaf is more pure silver than the American Eagle?

How does it get better than 99.999% silver?
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Sorry, I was speaking of the GOLD Mapleleaf. It is purer than it's US cousin, but not by a lot. It mattered to me when I was looking into it a while back.

The Eagle may be more recognizable to a regular US citizen, if there is an economic armageddon, but it still may not buy you Tamiflu or beans or gas when the person you are dealing with is starving.

I just like things with maple leaves on them, even though I'm from Tennessee.
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Originally posted by Fla_Medic Fla_Medic wrote:

MissRx, any decent sized coin shop will have gold or silver coins for sale.  American Eagles or Canadian Mapleleafs are both good. Junk Silver, pre-1964 silver coins with no value beyond the silver content, can also be bought.

Minted gold coins are easier to sell than jewelry or ingots because they are recognizable for what they are, and will not require testing to determine quality. 

Everyone is right. Gold is volitile.  It is not an investment. It's a hedge against inflation.  But as a gold/silver bug for several years now, I've seen its value double.

Expect to pay a premium over the spot gold price when you buy (about 5%). If you sell, expect to get a little under spot.  This gap is how gold traders make their money.

 
Fla_Medic - Thank you for your advice. I think I will buy
the coins in person, rather than over the internet.
 
Someone had said that I should maybe wait for the price
of gold to go down, but I'm wondering, with the progression of BF
is it possbile that the price of gold may continue going UP instead?
 
 
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Redcloud, thanks for the clarification. Actually, I do not know how the silver Maple Leaf is made, but the American Eagle is 1 troy oz. of pure silver, plus a tiny amount of copper for hardness in order to preserve its mint condition value. The coin itself is more than one exact troy ounce because of this, but it is so miniscule that it really does not matter. The bottom line is that they both contain 1 troy ounce, and therefore have an easily understandable value for bartering purposes.

Quite frankly, I have been considering adding Maple Leafs to our portfolio, Just due to their beauty.

But I still believe it would be easier to trade silver coin rather than gold. I will give an example.

Example:Example: A trader has 10 pounds of rice that you want to buy. He wants $100.00 US for it.

It’s all he has, and you are hungry and want it. Your kids are hungry too. However you have a one ounce Gold coin, worth $1200.00 US. (This is just an exercise in order to provide an example. If rice is worth $10.00 a pound at this point, I am also assuming an increase in the value of precious metals.)

So, how do you make the trade? He does not have $1200.00 worth of rice to sell, and you have no smaller precious coins to make the trade.

Either you buy the rice for $1200.00, or you go home without it.

I pray we will not speculate on any other possible outcomes as this is simply an example.    

    
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Originally posted by MissRX MissRX wrote:

Originally posted by Fla_Medic Fla_Medic wrote:

MissRx, any decent sized coin shop will have gold or silver coins for sale.  American Eagles or Canadian Mapleleafs are both good. Junk Silver, pre-1964 silver coins with no value beyond the silver content, can also be bought.

Minted gold coins are easier to sell than jewelry or ingots because they are recognizable for what they are, and will not require testing to determine quality. 

Everyone is right. Gold is volitile.  It is not an investment. It's a hedge against inflation.  But as a gold/silver bug for several years now, I've seen its value double.

Expect to pay a premium over the spot gold price when you buy (about 5%). If you sell, expect to get a little under spot.  This gap is how gold traders make their money.

 
Fla_Medic - Thank you for your advice. I think I will buy
the coins in person, rather than over the internet.
 
Someone had said that I should maybe wait for the price
of gold to go down, but I'm wondering, with the progression of BF
is it possbile that the price of gold may continue going UP instead?
 
 
 
MissRx:
 
If you know you want some gold, there really isn't much point to try timing the gold market.  It could go up or down day-to-day or week-to-week, but the pattern over the past year is that it is going up.  If BF becomes a widely accepted risk, I wouldn't be surprised to see gold go through the roof.  My suggestion is to take some of your available funds and buy some gold now.  Hold some money back and purchase more if the price goes down.  If, instead, it goes up, you can decide based on price movements at that time whether to jump in for more or settle for what you got.  At least what you bought earlier will have appreciated!
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Bumpman has it right in my opinion. You can't time this market.

MissRx, as I stated, the gold market is volitile.  So daily fluxuations are common.  In the past week, gold has been down to about $540 and now is pushing $590.

When I bought (at $420) I was worried about gold dropping. And it did, briefly.  But the trend, overall, has been higher.  As gold increases in value, certain investors will sell off, causing a drop in the price.  That's to be expected.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a $50 drop in a single day. 

The only advice I can give is, if you believe bad things are going to happen, then gold may preserve your assets.  You might even make money, over time, but that is a gamble.

My philosphy is to buy gold (or silver) and forget you have it. Don't check the prices each day. This isn't an investment . . .it's a hedge against the day it all crashes.  So don't put money you might need anytime soon into gold.

I wouldn't try to time the market.  You could sit back, wait for a drop, and find gold at $650 next week.  No way to know.  It could drop to $500, too. 

I have a small amount of junk silver, too.  Useful, as stated above by cv1632, for small transactions.

But there is always a risk. Particularly when you play the markets.  There are no guarantees that gold will continue to rise.

Remember, there were people in the early 1980's who were buying silver at $40 an ounce, convinced it would never drop (I sold mine @$40 Wink), a few days later, silver dropped to $4.  They lost a fortune.


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Thank you for all of your advice.
I will be purchasing some gold & silver coins asap :)
 
 
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