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Originally posted by 2ifbyC 2ifbyC wrote:

Originally posted by Deanna Deanna wrote:

jUST CURIOUS BUT WHAT DO THE MILITARY EAT ON MISSIONS . IM JUST LOOKING FOR IDEAS ON PREPPING
 
Ground forces are issued two MREs (Meal Ready to Eat) per day while on a mission. During hostile engagements, only one.
 

MRE have high caloric counts.

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I have a canning question: I canned my first lb. of groud beef rocks.  It was a trial run so I only used 1 lb.  That only 1/2 filled my jar.  It is currently in the refrigerator.  Can I cook more, reheat the 1st lb and add it all together in a new jar?? Or should I just start fresh? -k
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Aren't hambuger rocks like dried food?  I thought they did not have to be canned?  Or are you just wanting to seal them up in a vacuum jar after they are dried?
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I jarred 5 pints of Hamburger Rocks a few weeks ago and the lids sealed and remained sealed until we moved many of our preps to the garage a week ago to make room for a number of houseguests.

All of the seals are now broken - dent popped up and I'm unsure whether or not I should sling the whole mess.

Perhaps I could just use the jar attachment of the vacuum sealer and salvage them but I don't want to store something that may not be safe to eat.

Guess I'll just open a jar and smell, reconstitute and taste a bit of it.
    
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Originally posted by Ironstone Ironstone wrote:

Aren't hambuger rocks like dried food?  I thought they did not have to be canned?  Or are you just wanting to seal them up in a vacuum jar after they are dried?
Yes ... they are dehydrated ... all the fat/water removed through stove top and then oven for a few hours.  And yes ... putting them in vacuum jar after they are dried.  That's why I was thinking I could add to them and put it all in a freshly heated jar with newly boiled lids.  I'm thinking the answer may be 'yes' but I wanted to verify w/ someone who's done this before. -k
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Ready Mom...If i were to can them i would put the finished hamburger rocks into the oven pan to warm up with the rest of them about an hour before the others are finished.  That way you will be putting hot stuff in hot jars with hot lids and would have a better chance of getting a seal.
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Thanks Ironstone ... that's exactly what I thought I needed to do! -k
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Thought I'd mention SALES! Planning my shopping for the week, I realized that it was Cinco deMayo. (time is slipping by me, lately!) Anyway ... Beans,rice,oils,sauces and the like are all on sale this week for that celebration.  I took advantage of it and bought about 40 cans of various beans and 8 (1lb) pkgs of split peas and lentils.  Will be going back for the BIG jugs of oil.  As long as the flu holds out, we should (which I'm sure most of you already figured out - but those just starting might like a place to start) be taking advantage of seasonal sales.  Next should be cookout type stuff: matches,paper goods,condiments,outdoor cooking products,camping gear (sleep bags for no-heat in cold winter, camp stoves,lanterns, etc.) My BIG hole is canned fruit.  I've been trying to get everything I can on sale and have done really well (cans of veggies 5/$3, beans 5/$2, 2# coffee $2.99, actually found 2# summer sausage at a overstock store good till 2007 for $2.99!) but fruit is pretty expensive and I want lots of that.  My other option is to try canning, but I've never done it.   Anyway ... just thought I'd pass on the sale reminder! Keep shopping/prepping!
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Both Dollar Tree and Dollar General stores are good sources of canned fruit.  They also have metals cans and glass jars of juice sometimes which I think store better/longer than juice in plastic.
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Any tips on organizing or storing preps? I have been buying a little at a time.So far I have a mess with no clue as to how long what I do have will last....Help please do yall separate by the day,week...
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Originally posted by carolina kid carolina kid wrote:

Any tips on organizing or storing preps? I have been buying a little at a time.So far I have a mess with no clue as to how long what I do have will last....Help please do yall separate by the day,week...
 
The first step is to create a list of what  you have. My food list has the following headings:
 
- Description of item
- Food Group or Type (e.g. fruit, grains, condiments, soups)
- Location (i.e. where stored)
- Quantity
- Purchase Date
- Expiry Date if known (some items have expired dates stamped on them)
- Additional notes
 
Before I place any item in storage I mark the purchase date on the item. If I purchase more of the same item in a different month, I'll list them separately unless they show the same expiry date.
 
I generally group items in storage by food group e.g. all my canned vegetables are in one place.
 
I have my inventory list set up on my computer in Excel so I can easily sort by the different headings. For example, if I want to see if I have enough fruit, I'll sort by food group. If I want to see what may be expiring, I'll sort by expiry date and also by purchase date.
 
If you are maintaining an inventory list manually, you may want to have a separate list for each food group.
 
 
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Thank you Irene. Embarrassed
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Thank you Chrystle, for posting all those links.

I think its is okay to post the products and websites you have found and like, I see it done a lot. And it helped me!
It takes often a lot of time to research sites, and we benefit from the searching others have done.

P.S. I think it becomes a problem when people promote products they themselves are selling, trying to make money of the people here.
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Thanks for the info on the toothbrush - wow, sounds like you can catch some nasty stuff off of them. 
 
Good FYI from the buckskinners cookbook as well ... some people will be close enough to the "wilds" if it comes down to having to supplement some type of a meat for proteins!! 
 
Don't worry about posting ... I posted several times within minutes because I had so much to post when I first joined ...
 
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Chrystle the best advice I can give is dont bust its guts.Skinning and cutting will require a very sharp knife. Deer meat makes great stew and jerky.
 
Ps.Hang your deer in a tree off the ground it helps with cleaning.
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I have been pre-packaging a variety of potato, rice and pasta dishes and have had a very rude awakening. It takes soooo much more in spices, milk, buillion etc. than I ever imagined!! I am making it all with prep foods, trying to have as much as possible ready to go. I have three shelves full of spices, herbs etc. and would have sworn I had more than enough. Already OUT of some!!! I'm just posting this to give a heads up to everyone.
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This board now has a recipe forum:

http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_topics.asp?FID=13

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Originally posted by Chrystle Chrystle wrote:

  WOW, I'm posting too much so I'll take a break after this: Don't forget to add extra toothbrushes to your preps. Whenever anyone's ill, the toothbrush should be replaced when they improve. People might get sick from things other than BF if things get bad.   
 
     Good point about the toothbrushes Chrystle.  A good way to clean them if you don't have that ultraviolet light thingie is to rinse the bristle end with peroxide when you finish rinsing after brushing.  This is not a substitute for replacement but keeps the toothbrush cleaner between regular uses.     
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All,
 
I know this is kind of bad that I am admitting that I watched OPRAH, but here goes.
 
Today's Oprah was on the Avian Bird Flu and to be honest, it scared the CRAP out of me.
 
My wife and I felt very scared for our two little girls not only for the FLU but how it could affect their parents and leave them w/out parents.
 
On the show they talked a lot about having a Year Supply of Food Storage b/c of how the economy will be.
 
If you didn't watch the show, you should. I will put a link to it so you can all watch it.
 
 
There are also a lot of questions and answers that will be useful to all of us.
 
I know one of the things that kept my wife and I from having a year supply was what to get and where to get it if I need to store it for a long time.
 
My wife and I just last month found a web site that had products that are sold in the YEAR QUANTITIES, so it took a lot of the quess work out for us.
 
Anyway, if that was your problem, maybee this will be a good resource for you.
 
 
Good luck to all and GOD BLESS.
 
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Just another quick note that I found on that site. (Sorry my wife is now with me and felt that I should post this)
 
She said that if you find a site that beats their prices that they will beat it, you only have to email them b/c it is not posted on their site.
 
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Someone mentioned shelf stable bacon.  For y2k I bought lots, had them stashed all over the place.  Recently found one large box in the back of a cupboard.  It was dated 04-02.  Well you guessed it...they still smelled good, no mold and tasted really good.  I don't recommend keeping them that longm but it is nice to know they did not go bad.  Also opened a bucket of veggies I dehydrated around the same time.  Still good.  Packed them in vaccu seal bags in serving sizes and stored them in a 5 gal bucket.  Still tasted good.
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I found this Food Storage Guide interesting reading:

http://extension.usu.edu/files/foodpubs/fn502.pdf

It also has one of the most comprehensive lists (starting on page 13) I've seen of recommended storage times for various foods.

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Originally posted by Safety Lady Safety Lady wrote:

shelf stable bacon.  For y2k I bought lots
 
Do you remember the brand and where you bought it? TIA!
 
 
 
 
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I did an internet search of shelf-stable bacon and found that it is fully cooked bacon and it is produced by Schneiders among others:
 
 
According to the following article, pre-cooked bacon represents 70% of the U.S. bacon market so my guess is that it is readily available in the supermarket. I've never seen it, but I live in Canada.
 
 
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I found a place to buy salt cured ham, it does not need refridgration and can be hung for storage.
 
 
They also sell bacon, but I didn't ask about the shelf life of that. Ham is going to make beans taste a lot better! Jo
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Jo,  Do you know the shelf-life of the salt-cured hams?
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This is the email I sent them & their reply. Jo
 
 
Hi Jo Ellen,

Your mother is right!  We offer the salt and smoke cured hams
and they
will last indefinately if stored in a cool dry place.  We
recommend
hanging the hams if they are going to be stored for six months
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more.  Please let mw know if you have additional questions and
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> My mother told me if I get a salt cured ham, it can be stored without
> refrigeration for a long period. I browsed your store, but didn't see
> storage recomendations. Can you tell me which, if any of your
hams or bacon
> products meet this requirement? Thank you, Jo
 
 
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Thanks Jo...that's nice to know.  I may have to order a couple!!!Tongue
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  For  those who have an "Aldi's" groc. store. Today I found boxes of Irish Soda Bread ready to make in a box for 19 cents a box. Makes 15 servings @120 cal. per serving.  Regular price around $1.79/box. ! 

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Great post Irene, I was wondering about some of the ratios. Jo
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  Hi guys will can someone give me an idea on where in the house will you be storing the salt cured hams or are they best stored outside in a shed.  How do you keep mice and ect, from getting the meat.  Thanks a lot.
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Mississipp Mama,
 You hang the hams from the ceiling (used to be rafters,LOL) untill you want to use.If mold appears, just take a stiff brush and wash off. This is a natural occurance. Jo
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I cannot find where I saw it before, so I will ask here.
 
Can someone tell my why people are saying to buy your tuna in oil, not water?
 
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Originally posted by honeybee honeybee wrote:

I cannot find where I saw it before, so I will ask here.
 
Can someone tell my why people are saying to buy your tuna in oil, not water?
 
Thanks
honeybee, thats a good question. I would (and have been) purchase it in water because of being able to use the water in it (if we are rationing it would help) to help cook with. Jo
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I tried the canned cheese and it's very good.  It would work well for grating for tacos, etc. 
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