when the shtf and the bad guys come, what is your

Yes you are right some will kill for the sake of it ,as it has been expressed by many here in a worst case scenario this will be a nightmare situation,the only thing i happened to come across to avoid this situation will be to make escape routes via hidden exits, 1,Make a hole in the wall going into your neighbors house make it

tigger1, I don't have all the right answers but if you have solar lights outside (where there is an entry point) and your house is dark inside you can see out but the invader can't see in. Security systems won't be much good without power. As a matter of fact they may be an invitation because they will know that's a joke. Who would come to the rescue anyway? My dogs will let me know if a person comes up. The UPS man throws packages at my house. I hope he lives far away and doesn't get real hungry.  We plan on blocking off drives. I also through about getting some yellow crime tape and putting it up around the front. Just a thought. Put official looking Quarantine Signs on doors. Sorry but I still think you would be safer inside than out because they don't know what is on the other side of that door. In your case I think I'd instruct my mom and brother to stay in bed and act real sick. I'm serious. That alone might convince them. Maybe it's like with hobo's. They will spread the word?
What purpose is there in setting a house on fire knowing it might run the people out but would also burn up what they are after? I may be wrong but I think that kind of crime is like retaliation stuff and just haven't heard of anyone setting a house on fire and then robbing it. If they try it here they best make the first shot count.
Good luck.

Tigger

thank yall for your comments. a bug out plan would be perfect if i were by myself. i have my mother and my brother. this is why i will be outside. like i said, i know my land.

I have a big dog and a bigger gun!Good people well go bad fast when thay dont have food are water!I think we well be ok for two to three weeks .Then peoples food well run out!Then I think it well get very ugly very fast.I just hope the feds have there poop in a group and can help!But depend on them NO WAY!!!!

Not to be flip, but if things get real bad, what can anyone really do but try to survive against the odds? Kick, bite, stab, shoot, hide, run, whatever works is probably what you'll do. The people of Iraq have been living this horror now for years...not knowing what the next day will bring. Most will survive but many, many, will die. That's life.

I was thinking about putting it under my dinette table, with a small rug on top. That would give me the widest field of fire, and not a place someone would step. I would be hard to see to be able to target in the dark, except for the flash of my gun fire, and I could choose my time to engage. Plus I would be a very small target where they would be a big target.

also,......if the badguys are coming to burn your house down,

i believe that a/the pandemic is mother natures way of rebalancing the world.

It would be hard to count how many times it has been posted ("Prepare for the Worst, and Hope for the Best"). I don't know anybody that plans on (shoot first then ask questions later). Nobody has a crystal ball to know how this is going to pan out. The use of Deadly Force is just like anything else (being prepared for the worst) and not that it is going to be used.

with the petrol thing, some people are just unbalanced, after the shtf many will be much more unbalanced.  never base your whole defence on forced compliance, it doesn't always work. 

  no one, no matter how well trained can defend a fixed position from a sufficiently motivated force of people.  You have to assume that by the time they get to you they probably already have some experience in taking down isolated family groups.  This means that you need to be proactive in your defense.  especially in rural settings, good commo and aggressive patrols at a reasonable distance.  the further away you identify a threat the more buffer you have to use to hurt and dissuade them.  If they're already on your front porch, it's WAY too late.

  the best thing to do is organize, this is what humans do second best, tools are first [unless you count screwing each other over, and i think that comes under organization as well]  an organized front is the best dissuader of all. most of the marauder groups we are thinking about here are goping to be operating under certain principles geared toward survival, your strategy is to prepare  etc.  , theirs is to utilize the resources of an area [you] and then move on to another area [like most classic herd animals, crossed with predatory tendencies]  if your group can demonstrate to them that you are a tough target and they may actually lessen their survival chances, they will probably [PROBABLY] move on to greener pastures.  Just like street criminals they will want to maximize their chance and minimize their risks.  Which is better $100 and a gunshot wound, or $100 bucks?

  pat

We installed motion lights with video, that shows on a TV in the supply room. This is at the rear of the property.  The rest is block fence.  The most vulnerable is large front windows, so I planted sharp, pointed cactus to discourage entry. Its called aloe plant, also known a "medicine plant" and uses little water. I don't know what else to come up with.  Oh yes, we have 3 BIG dogs. Chow, Ger.Shep., and Lab...they help me feel better.

hi tigger,im not suggesting "talking" to an angry,starving mob.

I am not a rambo ... but there are a few in the neighborhood.  So I think we will be ok.

i agree tigger,and it will be a sad day when that happens.

OK, well, I'm glad you started this thread because I need to know if any of you can translate something into Spanish for me.  (I'm not being mean, not making any comments in a negative fashion on Hispanics, please trust me.)  I've saved some of the large, weatherproof local politician signs that I use as yard sale signs (when we do that twice a year) and I'm intending to write on the back of them in large permanent ink:

 

"Transpassers will be SHOT on sight. 

NO QUESTIONS. 

nzpreper, First I would like to say I like the douse 'em with fuel idea.  I may experiment with a garden sprayer or some other device to see if I can douse a few at a time.  I like having multiple weapon possibilities.

 

I hadn't really thought of fire fighting equipment, to combat retaliation but will start planning around that possibility, thanks for bringing it up.  I would assume it's likely for the hoards to attempt to burn me out or set my house ablaze to distract me or in retaliation for perceived transgressions.  After all they set LA on fire for no tactical reason after the Rodney King incident and most riots I see on TV involve the burning of vehicles and businesses.

 

 

hi there,,,am totally ignorant about guns,,i live in the dc suburbs.  do you just go in a gun store and buy a shotgun?  i checked out state laws in maryland and shotguns i believe are legal to buy. 

Gun stores - sporting goods stores - Wal-mart (do they still carry rifles/shotguns?)  are all good places to go.....

for smaller people a good 20 guage would be a little easier to handle

mom24kids wrote: hi there,,,am totally ignorant about guns,,i live in the dc suburbs.  do you just go in a gun store and buy a shotgun?  i checked out state laws in maryland and shotguns i believe are legal to buy.  then of course, i would take a class to learn how to use it,, any advice would be appreciated!