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Thanks for the information. They are on alert status for flu according to this:
I would think they would start to warn people about what is possibly in the future.
Have no idea why they havent already.
The media usually makes a point to leak things out and havent heard a peep from them!
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BabyGirl, I think this site is for what we are dealing with now (seasonal flu) and that is all. That has been bad here this year with young healthy people dying. There is no requirement that those cases be reported. But it's not H5N1. Good luck.
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pspiegel
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I beg to differ, somewhat. A building full of beds suggests an acknowledgment that a pandemic is inevitable, but not necessarily that it is "close". It's a fine point, but I believe it's valid. |
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Bozito...you sound like a very dedicated and intelligent person...but, why play with fire?...meaning that yes you could possibly learn, but in all learning we have set backs until we learn it correctly.....you wouldn't want to learn a mistake by causing a death I'm sure. Here is an almost sure bet to be safe(not 100%, but close to it).....isolation...complete (100%) ISOLATION. ISOLATION should be on top of all our lists!
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VTDoc....I completely dissagree with you. These people "pick" their words very carefully!!.....they have alot on the line....if it is nothing to worry about they would say so and with direct and affirming words...but on the other hand, if there is some kind of problem they would have to give the information in unclear terminology. When I read this piece, this word "clear" stuck out like a sore thumb to me.
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it is a fine point, but worthy of discussion. I would say a storage area with many beds in storage and a plan to put them someplace if needed is a long term plan. I took it to mean the beds were set up and usable in a building that is sitting not being used. That to me sounds more urgent. Unused space costs money. Why set them up ready for patients for something that may not happen for 10 years or more? Also, given the number of wounded from Irag, I would think a VA hospital woud need all the space they could get. However, if it was built during WW2, they may have extra buildings that they don't need. Hard to ell |
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Yes. people with info that they can't fully disclose choose words very carefully. however, since the WHO has admitted "probable" limited H2H transmission in family clusters in the past, he may have just been using the word 'clear' to indicate nothing has changed past 'probable', that there is no indication of expanding larger clusters outside the family. If that happened it would be a "clear" sign that the virus has mutated to be more efficient H2H transmission. |
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Bozito
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Oh, I could definitely learn, but you are right on both counts. Knowledge without practice on a live person is less than ideal and could result in losing the patient. But you have to figure that the patient would probably die anyway without a ventilator, so it might be worth the risk. But more importantly, you are right about isolation. It is the only way to prevent contracting the disease. Isolation takes a lot of planning and preparation though, and it is also hard to accept psychologically that it is necessary to do all that hard work. But it IS necessary. |
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Could this be Mobil, Alabama where there is a basic training camp for Military Police, women's training, and other training takes place? I would think a build up of beds would be in preparation for a military build-up and perhaps any civil disturbances that may occur due to terrorist attacks or say the pandemic flu. A secure military base would allow for a secured encampment, JMHO.
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You are so right! My pet cow’s UNBORN calf was breached! It’s dusk and I have a cow in emergency, a hoof and leg sticking out her rear. I have never seen a calf pulled but you’re so right Bozito, you can do what you can do and just do it. She followed me into the squeeze shoot. After trying hand pulling, a come-a-long was hooked to the dog choke chain on the calf’s leg and the pulling began. The calf was already dead and the cow was getting weak. Eventually the calf came out in pieces and the cow was still alive, exhausted and kept penned up. Two days later the cow is doing well and back with the herd this afternoon. She would have died. Your post gave me strength and courage. Thank you. |
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Congratulations on saving your cow! |
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Bozito
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And if you didn't believe me about Tamiflu, read this article that just appeared in the NYT:
http://*********/2007/01/18/world/africa/18flu.html?_r=1&oref=slogin |
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http://*********/2007/01/18/world/africa/18flu.html is censored?
Thats ridiculous! I can't think of any valid reason for us to be discouraged from visiting that site. Fill in the blanks with "n y time s" but leave out the extra spaces Here is the story:
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I heard about a Tamiflu resistance strain this morning. How exactly does this occur? Bird to human to bird? If this is true, then the implications of this are profound. I really don't believe it at the moment. I need some input.
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