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www.drudge.com

Reliable word that Bank of America branch managers just received a message via the U.S. Federal Reserve Wire system from the US Fed instructing them to "perhaps be ready for a one-week universal shut-down of the banking system", including access to checking accounts, savings accounts and credit cards and ATM's.

(visit the link for the full news article)
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Here is the entire article.. Could be bogus-I don't know???***




FLASH TRAFFIC ** EXTREMELY URGENT ***
Reliable word that Bank of America branch managers just received a message via the U.S. Federal Reserve Wire system from the US Fed instructing them to "perhaps be ready for a one-week universal shut-down of the banking system", including access to checking accounts, savings accounts and credit cards and ATM's.

Reliable word has it that BofA bank branches received a shipment of signs last week, reading "We're sorry, but due to circumstances beyond our control, we cannot be open at this time."

This raises the likelihood of a ONE WEEK LONG bank holiday coming soon. It would be wise to have some cash around because checks, credit cards, CDs don't work when the banks are closed. If you have CDs it might be worthwhile to cash them even though there is a penalty.

Additional word as of 8:08 PM EDT is that a silent run is taking place on many U.S. Banks with customers withdrawing huge amounts from all banks almost everyday. My source says that unless Congress comes through with a plan which will stop the silent run, Banks will be forced to close to stop the run.

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This is a serious piece of news. Are you sure of it's source? I've found that Drudge can be biased, have to take reporting with a grain. Having said that, is this bank holiday to apply to all banks? D
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My apologies if this isn't a reliable source..Just not sure.
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I went to drudge.com - it is Drudge Retort. I am there now and don't see any reference to this article. I went to Drudge Report and it isn't there either. Do you have to sign in to see the article on Drudge Retort? What's up? D
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This guy posted it on some blog i guess..so take it with a grain of salt, unless we hear something more.. Again sorry, probably should not have posted it.
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That's okay, this is just too serious not to follow up. Where exactly did you get your post and the information on AsianCapitalist? What website or blog? I'll go there. Thanks, D
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Thanks evergreen for your support.. Found original article at abovetopsecret.com
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I did a search for the phrase "one-week universal shut-down of the banking system and I found below on The Surfing The Apocalypse Network

FLASH - FED TO ORDER 1 WEEK UNIVERSAL BANK SHUT-DOWN?

Posted By: Il_Bagattel
Date: Wednesday, 1 October 2008, 5:22 p.m.




Looks like W, Paulson and Bernanke are going to close up shop for a few days to see how you like it. Then perhaps you'll stop pestering your representatives and messing up their plans to finish off looting the country.

This is in tonight's Le Metropole Cafe. Jim Willie is a very respected and well connected precious metals analyst and investor:


Jim Willie, who will be joining the GATA gang for dinner in Toronto on Friday Night, is reporting the following, which has been confirmed:

LAST MINUTE MESSAGE: Reliable word that Bank of America branch managers just received a letter or memo from the USFed instructing them to perhaps be ready for a one-week universal shut-down of the banking system, including access to checking accounts, savings accounts and credit cards. Reliable word has it that BofA bank branches received a shipment of signs last week, reading

"We're sorry, but due to circumstances beyond our control, we cannot be open at this time."
(Bag here):I might suggest that all of you living in the states get at least a weeks worth of cash on hand NOW! Your checks and plastic will be worthless.


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Jeesh..thanks Evergreen! Maybe It's true..Yikes. What do ya think?
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Roubini Sees `Silent' Run on Banks, Urges `Triage': Audio

Sept. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Nouriel Roubini, chairman of Roubini Global Economics and an economics professor at New York University's Stern School of Business, talks with Bloomberg's Ken Prewitt and Tom Keene about the government's $700 billion plan to revive the credit markets, the state of the banking system and the outlook for the economy and financial markets. (Source: Bloomberg)

00:00 "Complete breakdown" of interbank lending
01:09 Treasury's rescue plan "completely flawed"
03:04 "Good thing" that House rejected plan
05:50 "Silent" run on banks, need for "triage"
07:53 "The recession is going to be severe."
08:50 Temporary "blanket guarantee" on deposits
12:21 Lehman's collapse; bank crisis; hedge funds
16:43 European banks; credit-default swap market
20:57 Outlook for congressional action on rescue
22:53 "At this point, anybody can collapse."
24:22 Need for "massive consolidation" among banks
26:03 Effects of bank crisis; market regulation
32:59 Mortgage rates; household debt; inflation
36:00 Bush's remarks on financial rescue
38:14 Need to "rethink" financial system
39:26 Investment strategy; European banks
41:20 Banks' exposure to Fannie, Freddie
42:16 Central bank monetary policy

Running time 43:51
Last Updated: September 30, 2008 11:37 EDT
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I also found the article at this site: http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/2008/10/flash-trafffic-extremely-urgent.html

Coyote, I'm not sure what to think. I, like others, are always skeptical of Drudge but in light of the last post, it's possible. Here's how I'm going to play it. I have "zero'd" my 401k contribution until Christmas. I have moved funds to safest offered by employment package. And I will immediately withdraw money from my bank savings account as a "just in case" measure. If it turns out to be nothing, I have lost nothing. If it turns out to be something, I have monies to get through and have saved it from being kept out of my reach.

I also wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing is a ploy by the Fed to shake up the people and House legislators to get them to pass the bailout bill. Call me cautious, I don't trust the bunch of them. D
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This topic  is also discussed on  another similar site
I am just passing this along don't know anything about it just saw it from the other site

http://www.321gold.com/editorials/willie/willie100208.html


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July - This is the same guy I posted about on page 1 this thread. There is also a lot of chatter about him on several blogs and whether he is on the level. Thanks for your link. I think it is wise to follow this through to source. Here's what he says. D

Breakdown Approaches Climax
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Pardon the brief and jumpy style, laced with more emotion than usual. The events of the last few days have been remarkable, alarming, chaotic, and surreal. Gonna attend the Toronto gold show hosted by the Cambridge House this weekend. If you are there, grab my arm and say hello. Let me know your perspective on the brewing crisis.

HEART ATTACKS & BANK HOLIDAYS

The banking system breakdown is very far along, but still early. Remember USFed Chairman Bernanke stated over a year ago that the mortgage problem was contained. Try not to laugh. The bond crisis is absolute, broad, deep, and all-inclusive, enough to kill the USTreasurys after it kills the US banking system. The heart attack signals are with the LIBOR spreads over USTreasurys, the money market, the TED spread (Treasury versus EuroDollar), and short-term USTreasurys. Charts resemble heart attacks and EKG electro-cardiogram monitors. Many details appear in the October Hat Trick Letter report just posted. The bank runs have begun in earnest. Nevermind the big banks for a moment. The smaller ones are entering seizures. The small and medium sized cities are also entering seizures. Here are two stories, one about a city and another about the bank holiday coming.

This from a friend in Seattle: "I was talking to my neighbor last night. He is in finance in the county government, King County (Seattle). He said there are some very secretive budget talks being held, very hush, hush. Apparently, the county has lost around $200 million of taxpayer money in toxic paper investments, with huge implications on the budget. He says he is not privy to the details, but he is taking a 10-day vacation starting today, because he has nothing to do since everything is in flux."

This from a friend in Atlanta with strong banking connections: "Reliable word that Bank of America branch managers just received a letter or memo from the USFed instructing them to perhaps be ready for a one-week universal shut-down of the banking system, including access to checking accounts, savings accounts and credit cards. Reliable word has it that BofA bank branches received a shipment of signs last week, reading "WE'RE SORRY, BUT DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND OUR CONTROL, WE CANNOT BE OPEN AT THIS TIME."

So the banks are in need of a respite, a break, a holiday. They need to shore up their positions. Economists and bankers avoid revealing the consequences of extended absence of short-term credit supply. Imagine all the supply chain DELIVERY routes being interrupted for lack of short-term credit, certain to interrupt the supply of food, gasoline, building materials, basic household wares, simple hardware, and more. The short-term credit would certainly also disrupt payroll streams for companies, inventory supply for retail chains, durable goods purchases by consumers (like washing machines & refrigerators), the maintenance of basic machinery (like cars, trucks, computer, communications), even cash dispensed at ATMachines.

BAILOUT BILL PASSAGE

The Senate passed the Wall Street bailout bill, by a 3:1 majority. Some sweeteners like tax cuts and raising the limit to $250k on individual accounts for bank depositors helped. Some people might think that finally the banking system can at last receive some meaningful fixes. Call me a killjoy, but this will accomplish next to nothing as a banking system remedy. It is more a paper seal to Wall Street corruption than to ANY solution. If passed by the House, as is likely, it puts an epitaph on the American badge of legitimacy. A decade of fraud has been underwritten, sanctioned, and sealed. Even foreigners might smile at the new & improved bill. Their impaired bonds can participate in the redemption process. The only trouble is they might have to accept hot shiny USTreasury Bonds in return, of certain questionable value.

Still the bill must be viewed as a giant paper net to catch a giant locomotive train, one that derailed and then went over the mountainside cliff 500 meters above and is hurtling downward with acceleration. Gravity is a bitch, and so is momentum! One should not doubt for a second that it will do much to halt the downward trajectory. One should remember that debt solutions accomplish nothing in providing remedy for debt abuse and damage inflicted by broken debt contraptions. Nothing is fixed, only accounts have been shifted and names have been changed. THE BANKING SYSTEM PROCEEDS ALONG ITS OWN CLEARLY DEFINED PATHOGENESIS, with great momentum and power, which no human devices can interrupt. The next shock will be why the bill has not fixed the banking system as Mini-Fuhrer Paulson claimed it would. The other next shock is why Wall Street will need another $700 billion within a year. The other other next shock is how much the AIG and Fannie Mae "INVESTMENTS" a la nationalization will each cost the USGovt conglomerate an unexpected extra $trillion. The bailout yesterday enables Wall Street executives to retire more comfortably, even as some seek asylum or face exile.

The irony of the lifted depositor insurance is that big financial conglomerates can now raid the private accounts worth over $100k now, with government coverage in the bankruptcy courts. The October Hat Trick Letter contains some multi-sided evidence of USFed open license to use subsidiary accounts toward the aid of liquidity strains. What constantly leaves me shaking my head is how intelligent people continue to attribute fair spirited motives to the system, when it resembles a crime syndicate more each year. The reason why it resembles one is that it IS a crime syndicate operating under the USGovt roof. There are three crime syndicates operating under the USGovt roof, the others identified in the report this month. Each has had a profound financial effect on the nation, as in killing its host.

One can make a fine balanced and credible argument that the Fannie Mae bailout package represented an aggregate parallel of the simple Trenton New Jersey home loan fraud. The parallels are argued, with conclusion being the USGovt bailout was tantamount to abandonment by the mafia gangsters, who walked away from the $250k loan on the $50 crack house dilapidated property. Parallels are disturbing, as Wall Street and USGovt players fill out the example carried to the aggregate. The other Fannie Mae fraud is the simple bond certificate counterfeit, just plain paper printing without bother of Wall Street involvement. That fraud helped to run up the total Fannie Mae fraud past the $1 trillion mark. Given the sleazy guys who ran Fannie Mae, and all the protection run for it by politicians averse to reform, the fraud was quite easy. Who would want to question a shiny Fannie bond, a device which powered the great housing boom?

FDIC AS NEW I-BANK RAIDER

A new role seems to have come to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. They are the newest brokers on Wall Street, the new investment bankers, raiders true to the name. They do not protect depositors any more than Christopher Cox at the SEC protects stock investors. The FDIC has minimal funds, most likely co-mingled with the USTreasury anyway, just like the Social Security Trust Fund. The measly $45 billion lying around in the FDIC fund would not cover more than one or two decent sized banks, or one Washington Mutual or one Wachovia. So what does Sheila Bair do in response? She defends Wall Street, avoids liquidation by dead banks, and steers them to the JPMorgan chop shop and slaughterhouse. A great arbitrage results, as JPMorgan obtains bond assets for nothing, and can sell them to a stupid captive customer, us taxpayers.

In doing so, several things happen:

1) JPMorgan obtains the entire corporate asset kit & kaboodle for next to nothing

2) deposits are used to help the JPM asset ratios

3) bond assets can be sold to the USGovt bailout fund

4) senior bond holders for the dead banks are screwed, receiving a pittance

5) dangerous credit derivatives are placed in the JPM Garbage Can

6) the Wall Street Consolidation Plan continues.

The Big 3 Banks are JPMorgan, Citigroup, and Bank of America. Just how on earth can Citigroup even consider acquiring Wachovia? Buy it with what? Citigroup is insolvent. That does not stop the Wall Street firms from spreading their cancer. Besides, King Cox has a plan, to remove 'Mark to Market' asset accounting rules. Poof! The US banks are solvent again. Only trouble is they become Walking Zombies. Couple this desperate policy change with short stock restrictions, and the Third World Finances label fits even better, from lack of credibility. The new Wall Street I-Bank is on the scene. The modern FDIC might make Michael Milken proud, the junk bond king from Drexel Burnham. By the way, he only served two of his ten years in prison. Wall Street does have its privilege. The Wall Street investment bank model is dead & buried, with the door slamming shut by Goldman Sachs changing its coat to read bank holding company.

The group likely to initiate lawsuits is the senior bond holders to the broken banks. They should have entered an orderly procedure led by the FDIC. They face ruin when they should salvage something. The FDIC sets up banks to be raped. The label of pimp is too generous and connotes too much respect. To think that Sheila Bair at the FDIC is being praised for her leadership lately is enough to make a bond holder vomit. These mergers are nothing but disguised 'Chop Shop' rapes. At least the FDIC receives fees. JPMorgan donated $1.9 billion to the FDIC cause. By the time the dust clears after the locomotive crashes, three giant hollow monoliths were be standing, a tribute to Manhattan, in the Big 3 Banks. Their glass and aluminum fittings might be in much better shape than the World Trade Center though. It is doubtful that they possess any gold bullion in basement vaults. Let's hope the third of these buildings does not suffer a structural sympathy, only to collapse.

LOOMING TIME BOMBS

Clearly they are AIG with its raft of Credit Default Swaps, and Fannie Mae with its raft of mortgages and their bonds. Fannie also has a scad of Interest Rate Swaps. As explained in past Hat Trick Letter reports, the quarterly bills payable to JMPorgan and Goldman Sachs might be considerable on these swaps. The USGovt swallowed two really big ugly hairy hungry tapeworms, that will possibly each cost an extra $1 trillion in unplanned expenses. Actually, my guess is the figure might be conservative. A year ago, when clowns like Bernanke and harlots on Wall Street were estimating the entire mortgage fiasco would result in $100 to $200 billion losses, my figure was $1.5 to $2.0 trillion. As the time bombs go off, they will do so in dribs & drabs, actually giant dribs & giant drabs. The costs will take esteemed senators in the august body of the USCongress off guard.

An interesting thought came to me tonight as the Senate Bailout Bill was written. Actually, more sinister than interesting. The Fannie bill, the AIG bill, and the Wall Street omnibus bill might have been greased by private bribes. Imagine the hefty $138 billion paid to JPMorgan by the USFed, ostensibly from counterfeit Dept of Treasury hotmoney, during the Lehman Brothers failure and confusion, approved by Bankruptcy Court judge James Peck in Manhattan, all executed in pre-dawn during the weekend. Sorry, wanted to paint the background accurately but succinctly. If the 74 senators were each given $2 million in a basic traditional bribe, located safely in a Cayman Island account, then the total cost to JPMorgan would only be $148 million, in the neighborhood of 1 part in 1000 on that disgusting under-the-table handout of $138 billion. It makes good business sense in a day and age when rules mean nothing, when preserving the system is paramount, especially when BS bylines can be spouted about helping the common man.

RUN ON BANKS, RUN ON BONDS

Those talking perpetual campaign managers known as USCongressional members, they like to talk about "the fact of the matter" a lot, as thought they have some innate ability to recognize facts. Here are some facts. A broad and deep run is occurring on US banks, small, medium, large. Banks rely upon deposits and bank equity (stocks and bonds) to supply themselves with capital. The bank runs strip banks from their ability to continue operations, at a time when their stocks have cratered. Stock price declines of over 70% and 80% are common, the norm, not the exception. Insolvency plus illiquidity means bankruptcy, without benefit of time extensions. As Meredith Whitney (the intrepid bank analyst from Oppenheimer) said in a recent interview, "There are a ton of regional banks that also face a similar predicament." She correctly forecasted much bank distress, and expects a flood of FDIC activity to deal with failing banks.

Europeans have also lost respect for the US financial leadership, public statements having been made by the German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrueck to the effect that the United States has lost its geopolitical leadership mantle. A powerful reversal in investment flow endangers the US bond markets. Private flow of money resulted in the movement of $92.9 billion out of the US in July, after $46.8 billion entered the nation in June. A profound new trend is in place, whereby the three major continents of North America, Europe, and Asia are bringing home money. With a US budget deficit easily eclipsing the $1 trillion mark this coming year, demands for USTreasury sales will be left wanting, as USTBonds will be left on the table. The money printing machines will be the main recourse, as US$ monetary inflation will enter at least one and maybe two new gears in higher usage.

THE RISK LIES WITH HIGHER USTBOND YIELDS OFFERED, OR LOWER USDOLLAR EXCHANGE RATES FORCED. Either way, foreign US$-based bondholders face big losses. The nationalization demands will quickly force the issue of USTreasury Bond default. Bear in mind that now 52.7% of USTreasury debt is held by foreigners, and that proportion is fast rising. At yearend 2007, a hefty $9.4 trillion in US$-based securities were in foreign hands, as in liquid assets, easily divested. Risk to foreigner reserve accounts grows. They recognize their risk of becoming bagholders of greatly damaged debt paper. Amidst this pressure and isolation, the US Federal Reserve might simply resign its contractor position with the USCongress. After all, their balance sheet is decimated. It is not unlimited. It does have creditors.

The gold price will respond, as the USDollar faces a trashing. On the other side of this storm, characterized paradoxically as a USDollar rally at a time of truly devastated fundamentals, the USDollar will get trashed. To this end, a shocking admission came from New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg. He is a bit of a maverick, speaking his mind. He actually stated, "The next cause for concern in the battered US economy is whether there will be buyers abroad for the nation's billions in debt."

USDOLLAR AT RISK, USFED RATE CUTS SOON

The USDollar is at extreme high risk. Since its bounce in July, behavior is erratic, volatile, and fully dependent upon central banks and market rule changes. The US$ money supply had been steadily growing at a 15% growth rate, give or take. Expect it to surpass 20% soon, and the US$ to reflect the debased currency from a flood of supply. The United States will be the first nation to cut interest rates, from desperation financially and economically. Other nations will eventually follow, but not right away. The effect few talk about regarding the mammoth nationalization and bailouts underway is the powerful jump in price inflation, along with currency debasement. Both are inevitable, sure to lift the gold price in powerful steps. The isolation of the US in geopolitical circles, the utter shock at failed leadership witnessed the world over, the widely perceived national bankruptcy will translate into shunned USTreasury auctions and outright divestment of US$-based assets. The only buyers will be central banks. The USDollar is at very very very high risk of serious declines, exactly like the US stock markets.


A trump factor has entered the room. THE USDOLLAR & GOLD WILL SOON RESPOND TO THE FAILURE OF THE US FINANCIAL SYSTEM, WHICH COULD QUICKLY RESULT IN NATIONAL EMERGENCY, BANK HOLIDAY CLOSURES, AND TOTAL FRUSTRATION BY BANK LEADERS, AS NOTHING SUCCEEDS. The Wall Street bailout bill fixes nothing in bank system structure and integrity and function, as problems remain intact tragically. The United States controls the world reserve currency in the USDollar. In Hat Trick This late summer, my analysis stated that gold must make a difficult transition from an anti-US$ trade to a hedge against monetary inflation, a hedge against realized price inflation, and a hedge against geopolitical risk, even a national US banking collapse. Some movement has been made on the transition from the tunnel vision anti-US$ trade. One should keep focus on how the US official lending rate at 2.0% is more than 3% below the current suppressed Consumer Price Inflation rate. So money is actually free for those who can access that rate.

The USDollar increasingly is being defended by market interference mechanisms of the worst and most egregiously shameful order, such as a) restrictions to short financial stocks, even though they are insolvent and more illiquid by the week, b) calls to eliminate 'Mark to Market' accounting of bank assets, and c) the trusty Plunge Protection Team devices used to prop up stocks, bonds, and the US$ itself. The major currencies are all at risk actually. One contact with international connections recently wrote me, "The US$ will drop to 2.00 against the EUR not before long. And then the EUR will crash shortly thereafter." Many fine analysts expect the USDollar to suffer a severe markdown as the recent US nationalizations and bailouts are fully digested. Their forecasts would coincide with the notion that the USTreasury Bond suffers a severe market interruption like a suspension or possible default, but then later the euro is victimized by new global gold-backed currencies. This is a very possible scenario.

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The man behind the name Jim Willie has experience in three important fields of statistical practice in the 23 years following completion of a PhD in Statistics at Carnegie Mellon University. He spent time since 2001 in a private consulting firm in Pittsburgh, PA. His work included pharmaceutical and medical claim estimation, stratified sampling for consumer packaged goods market share, training seminars in advanced regression models, and consulting toward various other projects within the firm. In August of 2003, he became a low-cost solution at his firm, and since then has focused exclusively on the US and world economies, financial markets, currencies, and the commodity fields. Gold and energy have been a prime focus.

Jim spent five years at the corporate headquarters of Staples in suburban Boston in the last half of the 1990 decade. Work focused upon forecasting and sales analysis for their retail business, but also for the catalog and internet business. His retail floor labor scheduling program integrated several forecasts across the entire retail chain of over 1000 stores. Retail models, seasonality estimation, marketing effects, price elasticity analysis, all supported either the forecast process or profit margin enhancement. During his time at Staples, the company quadrupled in revenues and store count nationwide.

At Digital Equipment Corporation in suburban Boston, Jim worked for nine years in a unique zero-profit center within the company, one totally dedicated to marketing research on Digital products and the computer industry. Large strategic studies and smaller product studies were completed in the hundreds by a staff of 12. Strategic studies incorporated orthogonal fractional factorial designs, for evaluating various product feature combinations and industry directions. Product studies helped to enhance design and development. All datasets were analyzed exhaustively for useful information on perceptions, preferences, drivers, trends, usage, and demographics. However, extreme errors of judgment by senior executives resulted in the rapid decline in the company, departure of the best and brightest leaders, severe reduction in its workforce, and eventual acquisition by Compaq, then later by Hewlett Packard, which now manages his defined benefit pension. Sadly, many younger people have not even heard of the second largest computer mfg firm behind IBM in the 1980 and 1990 decades. HP took a large portion of Digital’s customer base.

Also at Digital, before the marketing research post, Jim worked for five years as a quality control consultant to the manufacturing organizations. He authored a DEC Engineering Specification which was integrated at all 28 mfg plants worldwide. It streamlined the stress testing of units from the assembly lines, with significant savings from reduced test time. Over a seven-year period, its implementation reduced mfg costs corporate-wide by between $250 and $300 million. Those were days of considerable fat in the US mfg arena, however. A few of his colleagues from Digital days remain trusted friends and analysts.

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I don't think they would do that.  Babies need formula...kids need to eat, it isn't practical...they had to shut the market for a day or so after 9-11 and that was a drastic step.

markets maybe...banks?  don't think so...unless it was on a thurs or friday.

If it was true the news would spread like wildfire...and I only see it on the-

We are all gonna die site.... and here :/
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The markets aren't showing anything dire at this point.
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in two areas,
Franklin County in Pennsylvania
and the Hagerstown, Md., region.




Allfirst, M&T merger may force branch offices to close




By Reardon, Dennis
Publication: Central Penn Business Journal
Date: Friday, October 4 2002


excerpt


Federal regulators might require Allfirst Financial Inc. and M&T Bank Corp. to close branch offices before a merger can be approved.

Regulators are concerned that the resulting bank could end up with too large of a market share - or even a monopoly - in two areas, Franklin County in Pennsylvania and the Hagerstown, Md., region.

In Franklin County, the banks would have a combined market share of 36.7 percent, according to SNL Financial, an industry research firm.



please read article here-

http://www.allbusiness.com/north-america/united-states-pennsylvania/1107761-1.html

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Originally posted by Mary08 Mary08 wrote:

I don't think they would do that.  Babies need formula...kids need to eat, it isn't practical...they had to shut the market for a day or so after 9-11 and that was a drastic step.

markets maybe...banks?  don't think so...unless it was on a thurs or friday.

If it was true the news would spread like wildfire...and I only see it on the-

We are all gonna die site.... and here :/
 
They would do it if they had no other choice, and if the alternative is worse.....
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There was a bank holiday back in the 30's, was suppose to last one week, some banks repoened after a week, most didn't, some never reopened.  If you have anything you need in a safe deposit box, now is the time to remove it.  You are better off to be safe then sorry.
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if so...might it happen...in areas?



Federal regulators might require Allfirst Financial Inc. and M&T Bank Corp. to close branch offices before a merger can be approved.


Regulators are concerned that the resulting bank could end up with too large of a market share - or even a monopoly - in two areas


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Originally posted by LaRo LaRo wrote:

...........  If you have anything you need in a safe deposit box, now is the time to remove it.  You are better off to be safe then sorry.


Good point, LaRo. I'm taking your advice. If nothing happens, I will return it. If something does, I've gained. No harm, no foul. D
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I dont see this happening!!play it safe with a little extra cash on hand maybe!!But i would think that everyone here would be prepared enough to go a week or so without banks.Leave your safe deposites were they will be safe!!Everyone  should have a week or 2 of supplysConfused 
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If your bank is seized your safety deposit box is not safe!!! The FDIC will insure your money up to $100,000.00 but the boxes belong to the federal govt. I just talked to someone the other day and he said all I have is maybe $120,000.00...I asked him if he was willing to lose the 20 and do without the 100,000.00 for a while until the FDIC could get him a check and he looked at me like I was crazy...so....IM not saying another thing.
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I don't want you to worry about the extreme parts of that message.  If anything like it ever happened the most upheaval would be in a few large cities.  At this point the market is not pointing to such a dire situation.
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To All,I hope that they do close the banks for a week or longer.This whole mess that we are in right now was planned and allowed to happen by the government.When you loan millions and Billions of dollars to people who you know can not pay it back.That is called stealing.The peolpe who borrowed the money,never actually got the money,they got an over priced house instead,some else got the money.The politicians and Wall Street have stolen us blind.Now let them eat it.This is a planned melt down so that the government and the very rich can take more control of us.I also hope that Congress does not pass the bail out bill.That is just more money for them to steal and for us to pay back.Johnray1  
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Johnray1 I think you have something there in what you said. Very interesting.
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The way Bush was fear-mongering a couple of weeks when he was trying to pass the Bailout tells us that anything is possible.  I was in somewhat disbelief when Bush immediately took the issue to the media painting a very grim picture.  That's about the worst thing to do at this stage in the game when confidence is already very low.   Bush's press secretary is really quite inept to let that happen, and their attempt to scare the public into passing the Bailout did A LOT of damage to the market.  Having said that, this new rumor fits Bush's M.O. and I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. 
 
 
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I think you would all like to hear Elizabeth Warren...  the lady (Prof., Author) on the panel
tells how the Govt has the dog by the wrong end...

Another panel member says...."We have to rebuild the middle class."

Were we not begging for that 10 yrs ago?


ckick on the word "here"   and then ok on the real player.  You can slide the bar around if you want to skip the intros.  My Daughter was fascinated by what she learned from the Money='s Debt video.  An eye opener.


A Panel of Harvard Experts

 a discussion on

Understanding the Crisis in the Markets



before a full house in Sanders Theatre and a webcast audience.

A RealPlayer Presentation


(An archive of the webcast is available here.)

and click on ok...



http://harvardmagazine.com/web/breaking-news
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Sales of Safes on the Rise

A number of security stores report sales of safes are through the roof and experts say the reason is the economy.

Local security store owner Larry Jenkins says he's sold out of smaller home safes because a number of people are taking their money out of banks and keeping it in their homes. He thinks people just don't trust the banks anymore.

Since so many more people are keeping valuables and cash at home instead of at the bank, he suggests spending a little more money on a safe that you know is reliable.
Jenkins says, "I would recommend they maybe go a little bit bigger, and also something that can melt down to the floor. Some of these smaller safes, people could carry them off."

Jenkins says he's got a new shipment of smaller home safes coming in soon. He's just hoping he can keep up with the demand as the economy continues it's downward spiral. whsv.com
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Larger is better, and I would recommend that it's a good idea to frame it into a closet good and solid ...as it would take a while to rip out the lumber first :)
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If there is a bank holiday, it will be disastrous. As soon as the banks reopen (the ones that DO reopen) people will want all their money and bank runs will begin. My grandmother talked about her parents losing money when it happened during the Great Depression. Their bank never opened after the holiday closure. For that reason, she never kept money of any significance in the bank. It left a very deep impression on her.
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Originally posted by Mary08 Mary08 wrote:

Larger is better, and I would recommend that it's a good idea to frame it into a closet good and solid ...as it would take a while to rip out the lumber first :)
I have a large safe that I keep my guns and valuables in. It is bolted to the concrete slab and it would take a dump truck to get it out. Smile
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It is bolted to the concrete slab
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I'll have to file that idea.

We have FDIC so we won't have a run on Banks like that now.  Most people have been warned about the rules and have put money in the correct spots.  I think going up to insure more funds by FDIC is a good plan.

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Yesterday I withdrew monies from my savings account. The teller asked if 50's were okay because she didn't have 100's. She went on to say that none of the tellers had 100's. I asked her why they were out of 100's. She said, "when large withdrawals are made, people want large bills". I just stood there in silence remembering this thread. D
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Congress approved an unprecedented $700 billion government bailout of the battered financial industry on Friday.
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The rich get richer and the poor get poorer!


Same hear Evergreen! We are doing the same thing today.. Playing it safe for a few weeks..


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Congress approved an unprecedented $700 billion government bailout of the battered financial industry on Friday.


HA!!! I thought the stock market would go up big time after this news! Instead it went down!   Hmmmm. Dow only up 144.pts.
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Let the short selling begin... after oct..17
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The problem is not with money markets, The problem is with US Jobs
Globalization completely wiped-out US job market If you don’t have a good job you can’t pay your mortgage not matter what the politicians or economist will say.
 The rich in order to get richer have been selling America for the past 30 years
Just think what we lost good steady jobs, health insurance, company pensions, and cheap college education
 Lets all go to welfare let rich pay for the poor 
 Time to pay the piper
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While reading this thread the thought just occured to me.......Has anyone checked with their bank to see if they have lowered the maximum withdrawal you can make in a day at an automated teller machine?

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A couple of things here folks. One get a decoy safe. A financial meltdown, is going to cause the same things we have talked about with BF. When people need to feed their family if they have no money or food, they will go hunting. Everyone has been told and knows to look for safes in the bedroom area of the home, master bedrooms. Keep a decoy safe there, with Jewery that looks expensive but is not real, costume jewelry but decent believable things, copy false papers that look real off the internet and put them in there, and then any other stuff you dont mind losing. Hide real valuebles in places that most would not suspect. False conduit hoses behind clothes dryers, light fixtures, put up fake return air vents, on the walls. Use your imagination, I dont want to print them all here, but you get the idea. Also, do NOT get all metals or bills in large increments, that is the worst thing to do, unless you want to pay a hundred bucks for a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread, you need smaller amounts, get one ounce of silver, get smaller bills. Change out large bills for smaller, especially if you only have a few hundred bucks. You will need to spread that out.  Top off your water, get your medicnes and last minute stuff. It will only add to what you have, you will use it. We know that it is not a waste. Leaave only the money in the banks to cover auto debits you dont want to get nailed with NDS hits.
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Originally posted by abcdefg abcdefg wrote:

A couple of things here folks. One get a decoy safe. A financial meltdown, is going to cause the same things we have talked about with BF. When people need to feed their family if they have no money or food, they will go hunting. Everyone has been told and knows to look for safes in the bedroom area of the home, master bedrooms. Keep a decoy safe there, with Jewery that looks expensive but is not real, costume jewelry but decent believable things, copy false papers that look real off the internet and put them in there, and then any other stuff you dont mind losing. Hide real valuebles in places that most would not suspect. False conduit hoses behind clothes dryers, light fixtures, put up fake return air vents, on the walls. Use your imagination, I dont want to print them all here, but you get the idea. Also, do NOT get all metals or bills in large increments, that is the worst thing to do, unless you want to pay a hundred bucks for a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread, you need smaller amounts, get one ounce of silver, get smaller bills. Change out large bills for smaller, especially if you only have a few hundred bucks. You will need to spread that out.  Top off your water, get your medicnes and last minute stuff. It will only add to what you have, you will use it. We know that it is not a waste. Leaave only the money in the banks to cover auto debits you dont want to get nailed with NDS hits.


Who are you? You've got to have been here over the years and have this new signon date or something. Your advice is too good for you not to be a seasoned AFT member. Thanks for all the good suggestions. I love the fake safe. Wish you could go into more locations for sneaky hiding places, the ones you listed are good. Thanks, D
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I am going to start a thread in members only on good hiding spots. 
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