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The news about Ukraine has finally hit drudgereport... I wonder if the populace will notice.
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Originally posted by Mary008 Mary008 wrote:

 
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An H1N1 co-infection with parainfluenza...    is a new strain?   hardly ...  
 
and declared by a community forum?     :/
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The post had already been posted earlier in the day, I merely posted that version because of the reference to the sister site www.swineflu.org.
 
Did you catch that?
 
Is that true?
 
Or is that some other site?
 
Just wondering, and yes the information coming from that region of the woirld has been quite (Questionable)
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We must always fear the wicked. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men.
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It's getting a little confusing - British understatement - about the conflicting reviews here. Is it Plague, Swine Flu, Parainfluenza etc etc? Is there any evidence of it jumping westwards/northwards i.e. Poland, Baltic States, Balkans. Someone said a few posts before that it won't be long before it hits N. America...
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hi... yes, one is enough... but we do have several more pandemics and we need to keep a level perspective on this one.   I understand the concern... last year there was terrible Flu in France... H3N2  many were ill.   enough is enough ...yes.
 
(my Family came from Perche area) )
 
here is some info from WHO...
 
 
 
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16 November 2009

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The World Health Organization said Friday that a "high to very high intensity of respiratory diseases" had been reported in Russia and Belarus but it was now less concerned about a big outbreak in Ukraine.
 
 
"The initial analysis of information from Ukraine indicates that the numbers of severe cases do not appear to be excessive when compared to the experience of other countries and do not represent any change in the transmission or virulence of the virus," the WHO said in a statement posted on its web site.
 
 
 
Ukraine, Belarus and some Russian cities have recently extended school breaks because of fears about the pandemic virus. WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl said school closures were among steps that could slow viral spread at the beginning of an outbreak, but had less usefulness once the flu had reached 5 percent of a given population.
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Originally posted by Mary008 Mary008 wrote:

 
Mahs...
 
An H1N1 co-infection with parainfluenza...    is a new strain?   hardly ...  
 
and declared by a community forum?     :/
The new virus is a reassortment with components of parainfluenza and H1N1 says Dr. Victor Bachinsky.  He has not seen a co-infection but the results of a "new" virus.
 
Quote Professor, you said earlier that the virus, from which many people have died – is a mixture of types of parainfluenza and influenza A/H1N1. How do you cure this disease?

The question of how to treat this virus is not up to me. I am a pathologist. I just found out what it is and made an exact diagnosis. It is important to provide the correct treatment based on diagnosis.

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No death rate!
Les gens ; que savent-ils?
Merci de m'informer sur les 3 ou 4 pandémies?
UNE SEULE est bien suffisante!
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People are not dropping in the streets...
 
Please stop hyping the death rate.    There are 3 or 4 more pandemics going round the world right now... causing more deaths than this.
 
 
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Up date!

Health Ministry: Flu, respiratory infections kill 315 people in Ukraine

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/52902/

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good news for UKRAINE
 
 
Ukraine flu epidemic slows
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 09 November 2009
 
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"In the last few days, the number of patients falling ill per day has fallen," Ukraine's deputy health minister, Vasyl Lazoryshynets, said at a news conference.
The number of new cases peaked on November 4 when more than 127,000 cases were registered. By Sunday, only 32,000 new cases were registered, Lazoryshynets said.
 
 
 
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Wait for "official"!
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Mahs...
 
An H1N1 co-infection with parainfluenza...    is a new strain?   hardly ...  
 
and declared by a community forum?     :/
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Sister site in the news
 
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New H1N1 Strain Identified in The Ukraine; Swine Flu.org Urges World Health


November 16, 2009 12:02 PM

LONG BEACH, CA -- (Marketwire) -- 11/16/09 -- Swine Flu.org, a community based website and discussion forum, has issued a warning regarding the potential emergence of a new H1N1 strain circulating in The Ukraine after a recent finding by Dr. Victor Bachinsky, M.D. and coroner in the Chernivtsi Region of the Ukraine. ''The virus is a Mixture of H1N1 and Parainfluenza,'' said Dr. Bachinksy, discounting earlier claims that the Ukraine H1N1 outbreak was related to pneumonic plague.

The World Health Organization arrived in The Ukraine on November 2nd to determine if the H1N1 virus had mutated by sequencing the genes. Although the results were due to be announced on November 4th, The World Health Organization has not yet released their findings. ''I'm sure the WHO can understand the urgency and importance of releasing this type of information as quickly as possible,'' said Ryan Evans, owner and founder of Swine Flu.org. ''An advanced notice that the virus has mutated is our best chance of dealing with the pandemic this winter,'' said Evans. ''A new and more virulent strain could result in a global disaster as there would be no vaccine available.''

Latest reports from The Ukraine indicate that over one million people have been infected by The Ukraine H1N1 in the last three weeks and experts fear that this enormous flu wave could be heading for North America.

For more information regarding this issue, and to see what people are saying about it online, please visit the website and online discussion forum located at www.swineflu.org.

Contact Information: Swine Flu.org P.O Box 1294 Stanton, CA 90680 714-381-1020

http://www.newspress.com/Top/Article/article.jsp?Section=LIFE&ID=565685886513512554
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Yes, we know!
Keep cool! Or be the first!
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Originally posted by A1&A2 A1&A2 wrote:

Just, please, update your informations!
We need news NOW!
Sorry; I'm in FRANCE, and UKRAINE IS ... border!

Ukraine Flu Outbreak: Virus Is a Mixture of H1N1 and Parainfluenza, Causes Cardiopulmonary Failure

Interview with Dr. Victor Bachinsky

by Anna Yashchenko

[Translated from Russian, first published in English by Infowars Ireland]


Based on autopsies, we have come to the conclusion: it’s not pneumonia, but cardiopulmonary insufficiency and cardiogenic shock... The virus enters directly into the lungs, there is bleeding... Antibiotics should not be used...

Why do we have such a high mortality rate in the country?

Because people are going to pharmacies to get medicine instead of going to their doctors to be treated... No it is not pneumonic plague. It’s all nonsense... antibiotics do not help... Those with strong immune systems will survive. People with weak immune systems will succumb to the illness... Face Masks provide 30% extra protection. Wearing glasses gives an additional 10% protection, that is 40%, because the virus penetrates the mucose membranes.

The Head of the Chernivtsi regional forensic bureau, Professor Victor Bachinsky M.D. makes a strong statement: all the victims of the virus in Bukovina (22 persons aged 20 to 40 years) died not from bilateral (double) pneumonia, as previously thought, but as a result of viral distress syndrome, i.e. the total destruction of the lungs. We caught up with Professor Bachinsky, to find out how he came to this conclusion, and how people can protect themselves from this disease.

Professor, you said earlier that the virus, from which many people have died – is a mixture of types of parainfluenza and influenza A/H1N1. How do you cure this disease?

The question of how to treat this virus is not up to me. I am a pathologist. I just found out what it is and made an exact diagnosis. It is important to provide the correct treatment based on diagnosis.

There are strict protocols and standards of treatment in medicine. If a doctor treats a patient who dies, their relatives can make a complaint that they were not treated properly (misdiagnosed). The Ministry of Health has set the protocols and standards of treatment for each diagnosis. If diagnosed correctly, the treatment should be correct...

In the Chernivtsi region 18 people have died. We studied all the history and evidence from this disease, preclinical, clinical, resuscitation. When we perform an autopsy organs and tissues have histological studies (cell analysis) and we concluded that it was not pneumonia, and has no relation to pneumonia whatsoever.

These results are the foundation to ensure that doctors who treat this disease all over Ukraine, change their tactics and standards of care.

Can this new virus be cured?

It depends on the immune system. If a person’s immune system is strong, they will overcome it. There are people who carry this strain of H1N1 and remain on their feet and don’t even realise they are sick.

Antibiotics definitely should not be taken. Antibiotics are the reason we have such a high mortality and infection rate in this country, because people go to the pharmacy, describe their symptoms to the pharmacist and ask for drugs. They buy antibiotics, take them, this lowers their immune system and as a result they become sick. If prescriptions were required to buy these medications, like in other countries, this would not have happened. It is the ability to buy antibiotics over the counter without a prescription which has done so much harm to the State.

During autopsies, what did the lungs look like? Were they really black, which gave rise to so much talk of pulmonary plague?

No, they are not black... This is not pneumonic plague. It’s all nonsense. Pneumonic plague has a very different morphology. We have, for example, 60 thousand people who became sick and 23 have died. With pulmonary plague, we would now have a mortality rate of 59 thousand...

This is a viral attack that destroys the lungs.

It turns out that not only in Bukovina, but also throughout the Ukraine people did not die from pneumonia, but from this toxic strain?

Yes, It’s not pneumonia! This destruction of the lungs. This strain is very toxic, and if the immune system is weak, there is bleeding in the lungs. In the lungs there is a tiny structure – acinus, which looks like a bunch of grapes. When you breathe, oxygen enters this tiny "bunch of grapes" ( pulmonary alveoli ). On the surface of the acinus are the capillaries, where red blood cells saturate with oxygen and give blood, which supplies all tissues and organs in the body.

And once the virus enters the lungs – hemorrhaging begins immediately in the acinus. A continuous hemorrhage... It takes several hours. In the blood fibrin is formed, and from it – giolinovaya membrane, resembling a plastic bag. It envelops the acinus, and the person breathes in oxygen, but it is not transferred to the tissues. And people just gasp. There is a cardio-pulmonary insufficiency and cardiogenic shock. People die of cardiogenic shock. And there is no pneumonia. Pneumonia – an inflammation, which is treated with antibiotics. Antibiotics cannot help at any stage. There should be absolutely different treatment.

And how about Tamiflu – does it help?

This is not an antibiotic, it is an antiviral drug, which should be applied on the second or third day of the disease. But you can not use Tamiflu as a preventitive, because it is toxic.

What are the best measures to resist the disease? Is it advisable to use a mask, garlic, vitamin C?

The primary method of prevention is a face mask. This give 30% extra protection. If you wear glasses [goggles] – it is 40%, because the virus enters through the mucous membranes.

It is necessary to improve the human immune system. Not only now, but in general. Garlic, onions, wild rose, viburnum (guelder rose), raspberries, citrus fruit, honey, and other fruits and vegetables – whatever you want. Those with a strong immune system will survive. Those with weaker immune systems will succumb to the disease.

We have a lot of people in Ukraine who like shopping at the open markets. If we can avoid open markets, the less people will be in contact with each other and more lives will be saved.

You have contacted the Health Ministry and advised them to review the standards for treatment of patients. What did they say?

We sent them all our data, the necessary protocols and standards of treatment, our diagnosis. But it is clear that decisions cannot be instantaneous.

And why until now has nobody else known about this disease? What were the leading specialists in the Ministry of Health doing all this time?

Perhaps this is due to the fact that there are scientists who are working on a purely theoretical basis. And there are scientists who have seen the autopsy results. I practice as head of the regional forensic bureau and as a professor. The fact that we have established this diagnosis – it is not just to my credit, and this is not my personal opinion. This is the opinion of specialists, morphologists and doctors in Bukovina. There are five professors in our group – I just head the group.

Professor Victor Bachinsky, M.D. is a coroner in the Chernivtsi region of Ukraine. He also teaches at the Department of Anatomical Pathology and Forensic Medicine of Bukovynian State Medical Academy.

Original interview in Russian by Anna Yashchenko published by Unian:
www.unian.net/rus/news/news-346721.html


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Hello, A1&A2,
 
This might be helpful...http://mignews.com.ua/en/articles/378759.html
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Just, please, update your informations!
We need news NOW!
Sorry; I'm in FRANCE, and UKRAINE IS ... border!
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It's just  ... "la grippe californienne"!
From UKRAINE.
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Originally posted by coyote coyote wrote:

hisz.rsoe.hu...
Situation Update No. 39
On 16.11.2009 at 04:22 GMT+2

Ukrainian News Agency "Fraza" reported that, according to informed sources, "it has been confirmed 100 % Pneumonic Plague in Ukraine". The Agency asserts that "the head physician of the medical institutions has sent out an informal disposal - not to sow panic, to refute the information about the plague, and to speak only of swine influenza".


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"The situation is complicated and unpredictable. We found a strain of this virus in our laboratory ... This virus is dangerous because it can mutate, and we can get a very different kind of virus, which was in Latin America or in Mexico, now it is European ", - said Lazoryshynets at a press conference, the "Correspondent" magazine informs. [First Deputy Minister of Health Mr. Lazoryshynets]



 
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hisz.rsoe.hu...
Situation Update No. 39
On 16.11.2009 at 04:22 GMT+2

Ukrainian News Agency "Fraza" reported that, according to informed sources, "it has been confirmed 100 % Pneumonic Plague in Ukraine". The Agency asserts that "the head physician of the medical institutions has sent out an informal disposal - not to sow panic, to refute the information about the plague, and to speak only of swine influenza".


Also from link:


"The situation is complicated and unpredictable. We found a strain of this virus in our laboratory ... This virus is dangerous because it can mutate, and we can get a very different kind of virus, which was in Latin America or in Mexico, now it is European ", - said Lazoryshynets at a press conference, the "Correspondent" magazine informs. [First Deputy Minister of Health Mr. Lazoryshynets]



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that would certainly explain the dragging of feet by the Mill Hill (WHO) lab in getting the Ukraine sequences out there for peer review
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It's not the plague.  I believe it's been identified to be somewhat of a new h1n1 strain, if I was reading the last report correctly.  It may act as the plague, but it's not.  Either way, a new strain heading our way could give us a little bumpy ride this winter.   Let's track the CFR closely so we know what we're dealing with.  

  
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Drudge Report:MILLION HIT BY 'PLAGUE WORSE THAN SWINE FLU'...
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It would appear that we are in fact dealing with a new strain.   The WHO is still remaining silent about the sequencing?  Typical.    
 
We will most likely be releasing some world wide PR's soon, which will also condemn the WHO for their actions, or lack thereof I should say.
 
I would agree Albert, there needs to be PR urgently. My concern is given the biased, untruthful and misrepresnting of facts that goes on in reporting any news on H1N1 do you think you will get:
 
a) a hearing at all?
b) a fair hearing?
 
Remember the Baxter fiasco in Feb 09, it should have been worldwide headlines yet it only appeared in one newspaper, the Toronto Star and still to date NO-ONE has been held accountable for that incident.
 
My concern is that it sets you up as a target for those who are seeking to supress information.
 
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It would appear that we are in fact dealing with a new strain.   The WHO is still remaining silent about the sequencing?  Typical.    
 
We will most likely be releasing some world wide PR's soon, which will also condemn the WHO for their actions, or lack thereof I should say.
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Old news; 11/13/2009!

Swine flu goes on robbing Ukrainian people’s lives. Medics now don’t say that patients use to go to hospitals too late because there are 11 doctors among dead people. The Ministry of health protection of Ukraine has officially informed today that the number of flu victims has reached 282 people since the beginning of the epidemic. But experts consider the real situation worse than official data. Statistics is also under control of some political powers.

According to the Party of regions’ data there have been 800 people died in Ukraine since the beginning of the epidemic. At the staff of Tyagnibok they tell about 1343 dead of swine flu.
The flu epidemic in Ukraine was declared at the end of October
. The number of people died of the flu was up to 265 by the Friday’s evening. 17 people more (3 in Kiev) died yesterday.



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Health Ministry Confirms 299 Deaths Of Flu And Acute Respiratory Viral Infections

The Health Ministry confirmed 299 deaths of flu and acute respiratory viral infections in 23 regions, the city of Kyiv and Crimea as of November 15.

Ukrainian News learned this from a statement by the Health Ministry.

Of 299 lethal cases, 17 cases were registered over the past 24 hours.


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                         Ukraine Flu Outbreak: Virus Is a Mixture of H1N1 and ParainfluenzaProfessor Victor Bachinsky, M.D. is a coroner
in the Chernivtsi region of Ukraine. He also teaches at the Department
of Anatomical Pathology and Forensic Medicine of Bukovynian State
Medical Academy.
http://www.australia.to/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16324:ukraine-flu-outbreak-virus-is-a-mixture-of-h1n1-and-parainfluenza&catid=116:breaking-news&Itemid=298


Thanks for the Article A1@A2,


Here's the original article translated and it clearly says it's NOT any type of Pneumonic Plague like Med is trying to feed us. No Black lungs or any of that twitterfeed crap.

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unian.net%2Frus%2Fnews%2Fnews-346721.html&lp=ru_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
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Ukraine Flu Outbreak: Virus Is a Mixture of H1N1 and Parainfluenza
Professor Victor Bachinsky, M.D. is a coroner in the Chernivtsi region of Ukraine. He also teaches at the Department of Anatomical Pathology and Forensic Medicine of Bukovynian State Medical Academy.
http://www.australia.to/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16324:ukraine-flu-outbreak-virus-is-a-mixture-of-h1n1-and-parainfluenza&catid=116:breaking-news&Itemid=298
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Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

Why has WHO not released the gentic sequences from Ukraine. This makes now sense especially if there have been no mutations, which is what they are trying to suggest. By not releasing this information it only fuels the speculation fires.

So whats the hold up, its been 8 days since the statement.


I have posted why there may be a hold up. Because its too hot to put out there.

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Isn't that mainly Hospital aquired?  RSV...  a big problem with mainly kids under age 2.
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Hi from Calgary...some news starting to hit the boards...parainfluenza/distressindroma...apparently a highly toxic virus tha starts haemmoraging as soon as it hits the lungs..can go through any mucous membrane including the eyes..glasses required...does not sound very encouraging...
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SENDING MAILS TO NEWS-PAPES/RADIO-STATIONS?
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WHO said they would have the information to us around the 4th of Nov.

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Albert, I'm just a simple CPU user with no connections or contacts at all but if you want me to send harrassing e-mails out to the organisations who need it - I'll be only too happy to help.
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Thanks waenderer, we may need to work together on this one.   Anyone know how long the sequencing takes?   If the WHO is not going to release the information, then I need to issue a PR to bring some attention to it.  I'm somewhat responsible for these forums and I'm not going to allow people to be blindsided.   We can all collectively pressure the WHO once a "reasonable" amount of time has elapsed in the sequencing process.   Has that time arrived? 
 
 
 
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Albert...whateverr i can do to support...send mails ect ect...
as history shows us,,,,the governements ALWAYS use propàganda  to their needs..
regardless od the truth.
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Anyone know why the WHO is not releasing sequences on a potential new strain?  When the virus first appeared in Mexico last spring, the CDC and WHO did not warn anyone and they allowed it to spread.   The forums learned about it, as the WHO remained silent until they couldn't keep a lid on it.  Quite frankly, the WHO and CDC are pathetic for doing that.  I'm afraid that they will probably repeat the act based on their history.
 
Anyway, I was thinking about releasing a series of world wide press releases condemning the WHO for suppressing sequencing info during this very critical time period.   Maybe put a little pressure on them? 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

I have more information I will post this here without a lot of comment.
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Besides swine influenza, AN3N2, AN2N2 and group B have been found in the territory of Ukraine. In particular, at present at least 8 different viruses are circulating in the territory of Bukovyna. Such conclusions are made by experts of regional sanitary epidemiological stations following the results of almost 6,000 studies on the identification of acute respiratory viral infections, said the chief state sanitary doctor of the Chernivtsi Region Oleksandr Svitlichny on November 11 at the briefing.

(I cannot access the full document)  I am posting this on my  thread thing as well- but given the strains I thought you would find this useful. -

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I have more information I will post this here without a lot of comment.
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12:51 p.m.       13.11.09

Besides swine influenza, AN3N2, AN2N2 and group B have been found in the territory of Ukraine. In particular, at present at least 8 different viruses are circulating in the territory of Bukovyna. Such conclusions are made by experts of regional sanitary epidemiological stations following the results of almost 6,000 studies on the identification of acute respiratory viral infections, said the chief state sanitary doctor of the Chernivtsi Region Oleksandr Svitlichny on November 11 at the briefing.

(I cannot access the full document)  I am posting this on my  thread thing as well- but given the strains I thought you would find this useful. -

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This probably has already been here ? Do You know what the rest 16 where about ? Two other strains ? 

Ukraine: London test results from Ukraine samples…half are H1N1 
Posted on November 6, 2009 by niarane 
Update: more death, illness 

Yesterday at 14:10 | (Wire reports) Ukraine’s Health Ministry on Nov. 5 said the death toll of patients with flu-related and acute respiratory illnesses (ARI) had jumped to 95. 

Deputy Health Minister Zinoviy Mytnik said told journalists during a press briefing that a total of 633, 877 cases of flu-related and ARI have been registered from Oct. 29 through Nov. 5. 

Mytnik said 15 of 31 patient samples sent to London for laboratory analysis tested positive for the H1N1, or swine flu, virus. 

Meanwhile, over 600 medical workers in Kyiv have fallen sick with the flue and acute respiratory illnesses, according to Kyiv deputy Mayor Iryna Kilchitskaya, who on Nov. 5 told a daily Kyiv newspaper that 200 of the afflicted are doctors. 

In a related story, Ihor Pokanevych, head of the WHO office in Kyiv, told Deutsche Welle on Nov. 5 that in Ukraine, as in the rest of the world, there will be three waves of the swine flu virus: the first – which Ukraine is experiencing now, the second – in the spring, and the third – during the autumn of 2010. 

Pokanevych noted that the current pandemic is complicated to sort out because it involves three strains of flu virus: two seasonal strains [of the Brisbane] flu and the swine flu, which as a result could lead the virus to mutate into a still more virulent, new virus. 

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51972/

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Have the results of the Ukrainian Flu samples - sent to British scientists some time ago - been published yet?
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