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HAPPY 2010 Everyone !!!!
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For Immediate Release December 17, 2009
Executive Order -- Amending Executive Order 12425 EXECUTIVE ORDER
Wasn't the MSM and everyone up in arms about the Patriot Act? This Executive order should have them screaming at the top of their lungs. This goes way beyond the Patriot Act, I would think.
Could someone please explain this to me? Turboguy? KSM and terrorists are accorded our basic citizens rights with legal representations and trials in our courts but now Interpol can come in and do whatever they want to US citizens with no representation or due process? Am I reading this correctly?
Since Interpol's, US Headquarters and the Justice Department in Washington (DOJ) share the same building. RED FLAG.....Files could be conveniently transferred to Interpol never to seen again or accessed by our Congress or by the general public for FIOA.purposes. Something smells fishy to me.
Is my concern justified? This was done on 12/16/09 before the Christmas Day terrorist flight to Detroit. Please tell me the benefits of this order to ease the cynically minded.
Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-amending-executive-order-12425
"To put things into perspective: Executive Order #12425 allows INTERPOL the absolute authority to investigate, charge, and imprison, and extradite Americans—without having to adhere to the same constitutional laws that American law enforcement agencies are required to abide by. Additionally, the International Criminal Police Organization is authorized to conduct covert surveillance and investigations on American soil—with full immunities from US law. Laws such as the Freedom of Information Act, Congressional oversight, Constitutional protections, and without oversight from the FBI who is charged with the responsibility of internal national Security. It also allows INTERPOL, wherever and by whomever to be immune from search, confiscation, and INTERPOL isn’t required to show proof or any other documentation concerning its investigations. It also means that INTERPOL can conduct covert operations against Americans without any accountability to anyone. “On Wednesday, however, for no apparent reason, President Obama issued an executive order removing the Reagan limitations. That is, Interpol's property and assets are no longer subject to search and confiscation, and its archives are now considered inviolable. This international police force (whose U.S. headquarters is in the Justice Department in Washington) will be unrestrained by the U.S. Constitution and American law while it operates in the United States and affects both Americans and American interests outside the United States.” Source: http://corner.nationalreview.com/"
Executive Order: International Police Granted Full Immunity in US and Not Subject to FOIA Requestsby Larry O'Connor In 1983, President Ronald Reagan issued an Executive Order which gave permission to the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL) to operate within the boundaries of the United States. Reagan’s EO put INTERPOL under the same basic guidelines as the CIA, FBI, ATF and other Federal law enforcement agencies.
Two weeks ago, without any announcement, debate, discussion or inquiry from journalists charged with “speaking truth to power” President Obama issued an amendment to this EO. The amendment removed part of Reagan’s order that kept INTERPOL from having full diplomatic immunity while operating within the United States. In other words: Under Reagan and right up until two weeks ago, INTERPOL was authorized to operate within the USA but they did not have full diplomatic immunity and had to adhere to certain laws set forth for investigative agencies. Laws that prohibit authorities from violating our constitutionally protected rights.
This story has begun to make the rounds at some other blogs and web sites. Some scream about the on-set of the New World Order, some merely question the timing, motives and logic behind such a move while we are still fighting foreign wars and under threat of attack from Al Qaeda and other international terrorist bodies. I certainly don’t walk down the New World Order/One World Government path, I don’t look good in tin-foil hats… but, I do wonder why this move was made so quietly and why the White House Press Corps has not made any hay about it.
I also wonder why my friends on the left, who screamed from the rooftops about phone companies conducting analysis of phone calls made from the US to known over-seas terrorists, about members of the Saudi family being allowed to leave the country in the days following 9/11, about the EVILS of the Patriot Act and how it would lead to the stripping of basic civil rights to anyone checking out a book in a library. I wonder how they feel about the President granting permission to an international organization to operate within our borders under full diplomatic immunity.
One other tasty tidbit: Due to the amended language created by President Obama, INTERPOL is now, no longer subject to Freedom of Information Act Inquiries.
"Mr. President, is it true that due to your amendment to Executive Order 12425, INTERPOL may break into a home without a warrant, seize private property of a US citizen, hold a citizen for questioning without the right of legal representation and not be subject to any legal or criminal repercussion?”
I’d really like them to ask that question. Wouldn’t you?
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For those of you who are cynically minded......read below.
Please read the full article.
By removing language from President Reagan's 1983 Executive Order 12425, this international law enforcement body now operates - now operates - on American soil beyond the reach of our own top law enforcement arm, the FBI, and is immune from Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests.
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sjf53,what else did you expect from a government that has a goal of making us a third world country.Johnray
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This President and Congress are under the impression that international laws should have jurisdiction over US citizens, which they should not now, and never should have.
The day an Interpol agent tries to arrest anyone in my country will be the same day I hope to see an Interpol agent with a bullet wound to the head. Same goes for the UN who is mistakenly licking their chops at the idea they might have an ounce of power over the last semi free people on Earth. I hope the UN tries, we'll be sending Jock and Claus back in a bodybag. This utter failure of a Congress and President have to work fast if they want this garbage to come to pass. I'm sure they know their days are numbered. November 2010 is right around the corner and since the things they've done thus far have been so wildly unpopular I think they're pretty much done and they know it. |
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Turboguy ,I agree with you completely..I feel better knowing that I have guys like you protecting me.. Johnray1
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All of Texas is saluting Turbo.... :)
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Nope, Montana. Maybe Texas too. Both have threatened secession over the Anti American garbage our elected officials in DC are shatting out every day. And JohnRay, what's with your "friend" Med? He did something that is totally inexcusable a while back. Now he's telling everyone that he's sick with the flu yet again. Now I'm in great shape, work out every day, eat healthy, etc. When I got the flu it was nearly totally disabling! Med's talking like he's had this damn thing for the last eight months straight! As an elderly man, I'd expect that it'd kill him! Also he's spreading your personal medical information around. |
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sjf53
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I hope I am wrong but the more I have read up on this subject the more I believe (my opinion) is that the recent executive order regarding Interpol's immunity has to do with transferring files to the ICC. Interpol is the enforcer for
The International Criminal Court. The ICC is a way to by-pass the American Court System to try Americans for War Crimes. Even if our court systems have cleared American cases, the ICC if signed will supercede our courts and Americans can be retried on the International stage. Thus giving up some of our sovereignty / constitutional rights to an International Court.
There is a an ICC Review Conference in 2010 and the pressure is being put (like Copenhagen) on this administration to sign on and participate. Many in this administration are pushing for it. Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State and Harold Koh, Obama's Legal Advisor See Articles below.
Daniel Schwammenthal: Prosecuting American 'War Crimes' - WSJ.com Please read entire article
Prosecuting American 'War Crimes'The International Criminal Court claims jurisdiction over U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan.The Hague Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed "great regret" in August that the U.S. is not a signatory to the International Criminal Court (ICC). This has fueled speculation that the Obama administration may reverse another Bush policy and sign up for what could lead to the trial of Americans for war crimes in The Hague." Please continue article............................ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRESS RELEASE: Coalition calls for prompt Administration action on the International Criminal Court | Global Solutions Please read, included is the letter to Hillary Clinton
PRESS RELEASE: Coalition calls for prompt Administration action on the International Criminal CourtFor Immediate Release April 17, 2009 Contact Diane Hodges 678-793-7060 Washington, D.C. -- More than two dozen human rights, legal and religious organizations, including Amnesty International, Human Rights First, the International Crisis Group and Citizens for Global Solutions, have sent a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, urging the Obama administration to quickly declare its support for the International Criminal Court. cont....................................................... Letter to Hillary Rodham Clinton April 16, 2009 We write to urge that the current review of United States policy on the International Criminal Court [ICC] be completed quickly, and that it lead to three results: US participation in the Court’s meetings to complete its formation; extensive and thorough US cooperation with and support to the Court in its prosecutions and trials; and action to declare emphatically that US relations with the Court are in an entirely new era. The historic ICC arrest warrant for Sudanese president Omar al-Bashir makes these steps especially urgent. The United States is now in the odd and unsustainable position of strongly endorsing the most important action that the ICC has ever taken while evading any commitment to support or participate in it as an institution. Participation would be an active and constructive attendance at the ICC Review Conference in 2010 and at the meetings preparing for it; cooperation and support would be based on a policy statement and on open formal arrangements to implement it; and the emphatic action would be reinstatement of the US signature of the Court’s Rome Statute. These three activities are interrelated, mutually reinforcing and offer substantial benefits for American national interests and for the United States’ international reputation and ability to influence other countries, all, with a very small investment of time, money and effort. These actions were endorsed by the American Bar in a resolution by its House of Delegates last August, and similar actions were just recommended by a task force of the American Society of International Law. cont.................Followed by a list of organizations supporting the ICC. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By Lisa Gambone
Thursday, August 6 7:30 pm EST
Speaking in Kenya, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said it is a “great regret” that the US is not a member of the International Criminal Court (ICC) in the Hague, the Associated Press reports. The ICC was established in 2002 as the first ever permanent, treaty based tribunal for trying genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity, building on the foundations of the ad hoc tribunals (ICTR, ICTY) created in the 1990s. It is currently investigating situations in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the Central African Republic, Uganda and Sudan. Rodham Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton, originally signed the Rome Statute (the ICC’s underlying treaty) in 2000. But the treaty was never ratified by Congress and was then ‘unsigned’ by George W. Bush in 2002, on worries about US citizens being brought before the court. US opposition to the ICC was then further cemented by the enactment of the American Service-Members’ Protection Act, a law authorizing the use of any means necessary to free any US or allied personnel brought to the ICC - effectively a conditional authorization of US intervention in the Netherlands. Thus the Secretary’s statements indicate a significant policy shift in favor of the court. But for those that hope this shift will result in imminent US membership, reports that the administration in fact remains split on the issue show that this may not happen anytime soon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Title II: American Servicemembers' Protection Act - American Servicemembers' Protection Act of 2002 - Prohibits U.S. cooperation with the International Criminal Court. Specifies restrictions on: (1) participation by covered U.S. persons in United Nations (UN) peacekeeping and peace enforcement operations; (2) transfer to the Court of U.S. classified national security and law enforcement information; and (3) the provision of U.S. military assistance, with specified exceptions, to the government of a country that is a party to the Court. (Sec. 2003) Prescribes conditions for a presidential waiver of the prohibitions and requirements of this Act. (Sec. 2004) Declares that the requirements of this Act shall not prohibit: (1) any action authorized by the President to bring about the release from captivity of any U.S. military personnel (covered U.S. persons) and certain other persons (covered allied persons) who are being detained or imprisoned against their will by or on behalf of the Court; or (2) communication by the United States of its policy with respect to a matter. (Sec. 2008) Authorizes the President to use all means necessary (including the provision of legal assistance) to bring about the release of covered U.S. persons and covered allied persons held captive by, on behalf, or at the request of the Court. (Sec. 2009) Urges the President to report to appropriate congressional committees on the degree to which: (1) each military alliance to which the United States is a party may place U.S. armed forces under foreign control subject to the Court's jurisdiction; and (2) U.S. armed forces engaged in military operations pursuant to such alliance may be exposed to greater risks as a result of being placed under such foreign control. (Sec. 2010) Authorizes funds withheld from the U.S. share of assessments to the UN or other international organizations pursuant to the Admiral James W. Nance and Meg Donovan Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 2000 and 2001 to be transferred to the Embassy Security, Construction and Maintenance Account of the Department of State. (Sec. 2011) Sets forth the relationship between the President's exercise of his constitutional authority as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, this Act, and actions taken with respect to a specific matter involving the Court, requiring congressional notification as specified. (Sec. 2014) Amends the Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2002 to repeal the limitation on use of division A funds to provide assistance to the International Criminal Court or its prosecutorial activity. (Sec. 2015) Permits the United States to continue rendering assistance to international efforts to bring to justice Saddam Hussein, Slobodan Milosevic, Osama bin Laden, other members of Al Qaeda, leaders of Islamic Jihad, and other foreign nationals accused of genocide, war crimes, or crimes against humanity. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Very Informative Article Regarding the History of this Debate on the ICC and whyBush did not give signatory.
UNHCR The UN Refugee Agency
"European countries should defend the International Criminal Court and request the US authorities to withdraw the idea of impunity for US nationals"Cont.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Turboguy,I do not know.Johnray1
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For SJF53:
I asked the question on a firearm/political forum and got another thread or four dedicated to this topic. You can find one here: LINK |
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No, actually as soon as this passes and I get better I will start working out again at the Y. I have been doing so since college- though I slacked off for a few years. What you are proposing is civil war and even in jest that is serious enough to bring intel down on you and be put on the list. .gov is still .gov and that is your employer. Succeeding from the Union would be advocating revolution. How treasonous is that. Very. It is not treasonous not to like war. I have said many times I support our troops- but if small armed groups start getting to wild- we will become a fascist state. Because they will call in the troops to fight. I am neither small nor short and I can definitely- whatever can handle myself with a weapon. This site is monitored and believe me- there is far more danger in a few people who not seen really carnage and been shot at- to appreciate the wisdom. That the world should not become a combat zone. There are nukes now. And tactical nukes. You would start a nuclear exchange even if you could get the silos in Montana.. If JFK had been in your mind set we would have gotten nuked and our whole country wiped out. And secondly if we are fighting between our selves the terrorists will have field day. We will have the battleground here. There is a place for wisdom. The U.N. has no teeth. We cannot merge as a world peacekeeping body without a world peacekeeping force. Soldiers bring the war home with them sometimes. John Ray is my friend Turbo. And this is one thing you will not mess up. He has been and is still very ill. The U.S. is not a miniature Iraq- and I think you need some cool off time in Montana before you start shooting people. The military is not going to back this and you would wind up in prison, not as a hero. There is a growing fascist element in America. They are heavily armed, and actually dangerous to the current administration. They don't represent the government when they start publicly the use of weapons not in a war zone to kill people. Everyone loves hero and we should be proud of our fihters Obama is still our president and I honor that. He is our commander in chief and intelligence is not going to be so hot on this as well. We cannot rule the planet. Every empire who tried eventually fell. I have relatives in Montana and I know it is a wild place- not of all of the U.S. is Montana. I have seen people come back from 'Nam and just can't turn off the violent combat zone mind set. http://www.interpol.int/ The U.N. has no teeth. No military and cannot act in any global way to enforce anything that the a fe w hopd upworld agrees to. Well, long day Med |
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Harold Koh - President Obama's Legal Advisor to the US State Department
-1st article.......Views of Harold Koh as a Yale Law School Prof. - Relevant excerpt on the importance of US support for the ICC - July 9, 2003
-2nd article....Koh's testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the Constitution of Restoring the Rule of Law - Current Events are very similar to what Koh had envisioned in this testimony. Almost a playbook. President Obama is definitely listening to Harold Koh.
Personally, I fear the ramifications of superceding our Country's Constitution and Federal rule of law to an International Criminal Court. I do not trust the UN or the ICC to have the best interests of the US or it's citizens.
Please read. From 2008, Very informative reading on his recommendations and is relevant to current events.
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April 27, 2009
State Department Legal Adviser Nominee Harold Koh: Questions on the Role of International Law in the U.S. Legal System
by Steven Groves and Ted R. Bromund
WebMemo #2414
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It would make sense if our law enforcement agencies had the same power in Europe
Would it be funny if Obama will be arrested by the INTERPOL |
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Mark Tapscott: What is Barack Obama doing?
UPDATED: Why Interpol, Mr. President? By: Mark Tapscott
Editorial Page Editor
December 31, 2009
Some distressing civil liberties questions must be asked about an ever-
lengthening list of decisions, proposals, and observations by President Obama.
To begin, Obama is the first president to give an international law enforcement
organization like Interpol free rein within the territorial confines of this nation, presumably
not excluding the arrest and exportation of Americans to be charged with crimes under
international law.
Put simply, this means the Constitution is no longer the supreme law of the land in
America. Thanks to Executive Order 12425 , which Obama signed Dec. 16 without
explaining why, the supreme law of the land is now arguably whatever Interpol says it is,
most likely as directed by the International Criminal Court in The Hague, Netherlands, in
conjunction with the United Nations.
Maybe it's just a bureaucratic snafu. Or perhaps Obama sincerely means to subsume U.S.
law to what he views as a morally superior international body.
But what if he simply sees it as an innocuous path to the arrest and prosecution of
selected political opponents for "crimes against humanity" in, say, Iraq and Afghanistan?
The Far Left would get its pound of Bush-Cheney flesh, while leaving minimal blood on
Obama's hands and giving his defense and foreign policy critics reason to think twice
before speaking candidly against him in the future.
If this seems far-fetched, let me remind you that this is the same Interpol and ICC that
took seriously Iran's Oct. 3, 2009, request that 25 top Israeli civilian and military officials be
placed on the international "Most Wanted" list because of their actions in Gaza against
murderous Palestinian radicals.
There's also this observation by National Review's Andy McCarthy: "Being constrained by
the Fourth Amendment, Freedom of Information Act, and other limitations of the
Constitution and federal law that protect the liberty and privacy of Americans is what
prevents law enforcement and its controlling government authority from becoming
tyrannical." Executive Order 12425 circumvents all of that.
So tell us, Mr. President, why do you think Interpol should operate with no accountability
and no transparency in our country? Is this what you had in mind in your 2008 presidential
campaign when you said "we've got to have a civilian national security force that is just as
powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the U.S. military?
Pentagon generals and admirals answer to the president and Congress. Under Obama,
Interpol answers to no American.
Then there is the president's impatience with such messy democratic necessities as
respecting the rights of legislative minorities. It galled him that Republicans dared use
parliamentary procedures to require more debate during the Senate's forced march to
approve Obamacare before Christmas.
Obama vented during an interview with PBS , warning that other countries will "start
running circles around us." (Note that nobody ever called any of those other countries "a
shining city on a hill" or, given their human rights records, likely ever will.)
Obama's next words to PBS hint of a dangerous facet of his outlook: "We're going to have
to return to some sense that governance is more important than politics inside the
Senate."
This is the classic complaint of kings and despots throughout history. Don't bother them
with delays and deliberation -- what Obama misleadingly calls "politics" -- when there is so
much "governance" to be done.
Obama's impatience with the Senate in 2009 recalls liberals' disquietude in the 1950s with
Congress constantly blunting the advance of their progressive agenda, thanks to the
Constitution's separation of powers, the seniority system, and the still-Democratic Solid
South.
So liberals created the Imperial Presidency to "get things done" in Washington. Today,
they have a congressional majority that disdains consensus and a president with the most
liberal agenda in American history. Now, it's out with "politics" and in with "governance."
But, as George Washington explained, "government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is
force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
Obama disdains using American force against enemies abroad, but will a man who so
furtively empowered Interpol hesitate to use such force against Americans who oppose
him here at home?
Think very carefully before you answer.
UPDATED: Will Obama explain why Interpol?
White House spokesman Christina Reynolds told The New York Times' Charles Savage that
the Obama administration said nothing beyond a perfunctory web site announcement
about Executive Order 12425 because "there is nothing newsworthy here."
If there is nothing newsworthy involved, then why won't the White House answer these
basic questions regarding the EO?
* Every other international organization granted such exemptions deals with mundane
issues like fish - the International Pacific Halibut Commission - or disaster aid - the Red
Cross. But Interpol is a law enforcement operation. Why does President Obama think it
appropriate to give such exemptions to an international law enforcement operation, and
what does he want Interpol to do here in the U.S. in the future with the exemptions that it
cannot do now without the exemptions?
* Does the search and seizure exemption extend to the activities and documents created
by U.S. Department of Justice employees working with and for Interpol in New York and
Washington, D.C.? If these employees and activities were already exempt from coverage
of the federal Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), why have FOIA requests concerning them
been previously answered?
These are serious questions that the White House ought have no hesitation about
answering, if indeed "there is nothing newsworthy here."
Mark Tapscott is editorial page editor of The Washington Examiner and proprietor of Tapscott's Copy Desk blog on www.washingtonexaminer.com washingtonexaminer.com.
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