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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/15/russia-ukraine-fighting_n_5681870.html?ref=topbar
KIEV, Aug 15 (Reuters) - Ukraine said its artillery destroyed part of a Russian armored column that entered its territory overnight and said its forces came under shellfire from Russia on Friday in what appeared to be a major military escalation between the ex-Soviet states. Russia's government denied its forces had crossed into Ukraine, calling the Ukrainian report "some kind of fantasy", and in turn raised its own serious concerns about activity by the U.S.-led NATO defense alliance near its borders. Moscow accused Kiev of trying to sabotage aid deliveries to eastern areas torn by fighting between pro-Russian separatists and the Western-backed government of Moscow's former satellite. In a call to U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, as reported by Russia's state news agency RIA, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Moscow was "seriously concerned" by increased NATO activity and called for a ceasefire to get aid into Ukraine. The agency did not specify what Western military movements he meant. NATO said there had been a Russian incursion into Ukraine, which is not a member of its mutual defense pact, but it avoiding calling it an invasion. Other European capitals accused the Kremlin of escalating a conflict that has revived Cold War-era animosities and chilled the region's struggling economies. The United Nations said it could not verify the reports from the Ukrainian border but called for an immediate de-escalation. comment: So, I am beginning a track on what could be an escalating conflict in the Ukraine as Russian troops begin to invade it. There are so many scattered threads in here it really is a challenge to sort things out. I feel this is a significant event. This is not proxy forces or independant sympathy people - these are Russian artillery entering and fighting. It has begun. Medclinician |
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One hundred years later and potentially the Great Pandemic. I believe it has begun as well.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-15/did-ukraine-attack-its-own-tanks-white-house-cant-confirm-russian-convoy-was-destroy Ukraine might have destroyed their own weapons (that went into rebel-held-area thru Russia ?)
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Russia has NOT invaded Ukraine.
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Med: Although they are denying it, they did send in forces in and there was fighting. It happened. The question is - will they send in more forces. The European stock market shuddered even with this news release. I will keep this thread current and document as more Russian forces are sent in. Medclinician |
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Let me repeat this By Natalia Zinets and Richard Balmforth KIEV, Aug 15 (Reuters) - Ukraine said its artillery destroyed part of a Russian armored column that entered its territory overnight and said its forces came under shellfire from Russia on Friday in what appeared to be a major military escalation between the ex-Soviet states. Russia's government denied its forces had crossed into Ukraine, calling the Ukrainian report "some kind of fantasy", and in turn raised its own serious concerns about activity by the U.S.-led NATO defense alliance near its borders. Moscow accused Kiev of trying to sabotage aid deliveries to eastern areas torn by fighting between pro-Russian separatists and the Western-backed government of Moscow's former satellite. In a call to U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, as reported by Russia's state news agency RIA, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Moscow was "seriously concerned" by increased NATO activity and called for a ceasefire to get aid into Ukraine. The agency did not specify what Western military movements he meant. NATO said there had been a Russian incursion into Ukraine, which is not a member of its mutual defense pact, but it avoiding calling it an invasion. Other European capitals accused the Kremlin of escalating a conflict that has revived Cold War-era animosities and chilled the region's struggling economies. The United Nations said it could not verify the reports from the Ukrainian border but called for an immediate de-escalation. Kiev and its Western allies have repeatedly accused Russia of arming pro-Moscow separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine, and of sending undercover military units onto Ukrainian soil. They have also expressed concern Russia may use an aid convoy it has assembled on the border as a pretext for stoking the conflict. It was not clear whether the armored column was officially part of the Russian army on active service. But evidence of Russian military vehicles captured or destroyed on Ukrainian territory would give extra force to Kiev's allegations - and possibly spark a new round of sanctions against the Kremlin. Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for the Ukrainian military, told a news briefing that Kiev's forces had picked up a Russian military column crossing the border under cover of darkness. "Appropriate actions were undertaken and a part of it no longer exists," Lysenko said. The situation in the conflict zone was becoming increasingly tense, he said, with Ukrainian forces which are fighting pro-Russian separatists also coming under artillery attack from Russian territory. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko briefed British Prime Minister David Cameron on the incident and told him a "significant" part of the Russian column had been destroyed, according to statement from Poroshenko's office. But Russia's Defense Ministry said no such military force had crossed the border into eastern Ukraine. State news agency RIA quoted a ministry statement saying: "There was no Russian military column that crossed the Russian-Ukrainian border either at night or during the day." It called the Ukrainian report "some kind of fantasy". Britain summoned Russia's ambassador to ask him to clarify reports of a military incursion into Ukraine, and European Union foreign ministers said any unilateral military actions by Russia in Ukraine would be a blatant violation of international law. "WE HAVE TO TALK" In a sign of efforts to unwind the crisis, the Kremlin said the Ukrainian and Russian chiefs of presidential staff met in Russia on Friday and the Ukrainian foreign minister said he would meet his Russian counterpart in Berlin on Sunday. Earlier on Friday, responding to reports that a Russian column had entered Ukraine overnight, NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said the alliance had seen what he called a Russian incursion into Ukraine. "It just confirms the fact that we see a continuous flow of weapons and fighters from Russia into eastern Ukraine and it is a clear demonstration of continued Russian involvement in the destabilization of eastern Ukraine," the NATO chief said. A spokesman for Russia's border guard service was also quoted by Russian news agencies as denying that any Russian military units had entered Ukraine. In a statement issued by the Russian foreign ministry, Moscow accused Ukrainian forces of intensifying the fighting against pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine in an attempt to sabotage Russian efforts to get aid into rebel-held areas. A caravan of 280 trucks taking Russian aid to eastern Ukraine was parked on the Russian side of the border on Friday. The International Committee of the Red Cross said it would deliver the aid after Kiev expressed fear the convoy could be used to help the rebels and urged both sides on Friday to agree quickly on how it should be done. After Ukraine reported the clash, Russia's rouble currency weakened against both the dollar and the euro. Russian shares were also dragged lower. Global equity markets retreated and yields on benchmark German government bonds - a traditional safe haven for investors - plumbed record lows below 1 percent. Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin said in a Twitter post he would meet Russia's Sergei Lavrov and the German and French foreign ministers on Sunday in Berlin: "It can be at a square table or a round table," he said. "But we have to talk." (Additional reporting by Natalia Zinets in Kiev, Maria Tsvetkova and Alexander Winning in Moscow, and Alexei Anishchuk in Sochi, Russia; Writing by Philippa Fletcher; Editing by Alastair Macdonald) Medclinician |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/08/us-warns-russia-ukraine_n_5662201.html
US Warns Russia: Further Intervention In Ukraine Will Be Seen As 'Invasion'UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The United States warned Russia on Friday that any further intervention in Ukraine, including under the pretense of delivering humanitarian aid, would be viewed as "an invasion of Ukraine."
U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power delivered the warning at a Security Council meeting focusing on the human rights situation in Ukraine's east, where government forces are fighting pro-Russian separatists. Recent reports by the West and the Kiev government have accused Moscow of dispatching what NATO estimates is 20,000 troops to the border. |
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If Russia did send 23 Armoured Personnel Carriers or any other military transport that was destroyed by the Ukrainian Army why are there then no photo's or any other proof ? Why should Russia accept NATO at its borders ? Would the US accept Russian forces at the US Mexican-border ? I think Russia is involved in the Ukraine, millions of Russians live there. The Ukrainian borders did change several times in the past. Russia proberbly has "advisors" in the Ukraine and is giving militairy assistence, the present anti-Russian Government in Kiëv should guarantee the safety of the Russians that live in the Ukraine (partly for generations-till 1990 it was part of the Soviet Union Russia did "encourage" Russians to live in the other S.U. Republics). There is a propaganda war going on. A larger war, again for oil and gas, is insane.
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Mediclinician = Shill
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An "incursion" is not an invasion, by any means. There have been several incursions by Russian forces along the eastern Ukraine border, but nothing major.
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http://www.newsonfeeds.com/article/18885933/RussiaMilitaryVehiclesJoinStalledConvoyatBorder#.U_IlXShy19s
published Fri, Aug 15 2014 03:56 GMT
Dozens of heavy Russian military vehicles massed near the border with
Ukraine, where a huge Russian convoy with humanitarian aid came to a
halt.
The Russian military continues to mass at the Ukraine border. Although this is stated to be humanitrian aid, the U.S. has stated if it crosses into the Ukraine this will be considered to be a military invasion. http://www.euronews.com/2014/08/16/ukraine-s-aid-reaches-east-as-russian-convoy-remains-stalled/ What exactly would be the reason Russia would be providing food to the Ukraine other than to reinforce the separatists and further escalate the conflict. There will be no chilling by me as there is an indication Russia is intent on expanding it control until it takes back all of the East European block it gained after World War II. Time will tell and it is highly unlikely we will be involved militarily if Russia does go in. There is a flash point which could go off and the testing of limits will continue. Medclinician |
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the "incident" is being called a hoax In The West Respect for Truth No Longer Exists Risk On After Ukraine’s “Convoy Shelling” Hoax Forgotten |
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I also do not believe that Russia invaded Ukraine
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Everyday is a good day and if you dont believe that try missing one.
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They don't have to. They've been there all along.
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onefluover,that is very true and many more of them than any one would believe.Johnray1
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If media are this bad in reporting events in the Ukraine, how reliable is (most) media than on Ebola, H5N1, MERS etc. Basic criticism on the media should be that a few profit-oriented companies, with "news" as one of there many "products" are owning most of the media. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric General Electric is producing both news and weapons. And that is just one of the few. The CEO's of these companies is almost a "cult" having their own interests that might be contrary to public interest. Putin has 4/5% of Gazprom, Hunter Biden is a CEO in a company with interests in gas-exploitation in Eastern Ukrain. It reminds me of the "family-problems" in 1914 that resulted in W.W.1.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28972878
Ukraine crisis: Nato images 'show Russia troops'Nato has released satellite images it says show Russian armed forces inside Ukrainian territory to help rebels fight government forces. Ukraine's president held a security council meeting on Thursday over the "sharp aggravation of the situation". Russia has denied the claims. Earlier, rebels opened a new front in the south by seizing the coastal town of Novoazovsk. At least 2,119 people have been killed in four months of fighting. Amid condemnation from Western powers, the United Nations Security Council has held an emergency meeting in New York to discuss the crisis. "Russia has to stop lying and stop fuelling this conflict," the US ambassador to the UN, Samantha Power, told the council. Britain's ambassador Sir Mark Lyall Grant said Russia was guilty of "a clear violation of sovereign Ukrainian territory", adding that the conflict would "no longer exist" without Russia's direct support for separatists. Meanwhile Russia's ambassador to the UN, Vitaly Churkin, said the crisis was a "direct consequence of the reckless policy of Kiev, which is conducting a war against its own people". comment: Russia has invaded the Ukraine |
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Nato Brigadier General Niko Tak said more than 1,000 Russian troops were operating inside Ukraine, both supporting the separatists and fighting on their side. He told the BBC there had been a "significant escalation in the level and sophistication of Russia's military interference in Ukraine" over the past two weeks. "[Nato has] detected large quantities of advanced weapons, including air defence systems, artillery, tanks, and armoured personnel carriers being transferred to separatist forces in eastern Ukraine," he said. "Russia is reinforcing and resupplying separatist forces in a
blatant attempt to change the momentum of the fighting, which is
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Some of those are certainly tanks. I think this time it's on.
Ukraine Asserts Russian Invasion and Reinstitutes Draft By NEIL MacFARQUHAR AUG. 28, 2014 A member of a pro-Russian separatist militia walked by an unexploded rocket that fell in the backyard of a house on Thursday in Troitsko-Khartsyzsk, Ukraine. Credit Mauricio Lima for The New York Times MOSCOW — Asserting that Russian soldiers and armaments had crossed into Ukraine to support the separatists, President Petro O. Poroshenko of Ukraine canceled a trip to Turkey on Thursday, and his national security council ordered mandatory conscription for the armed forces. “Columns of heavy artillery, huge loads of arms and regular Russian servicemen came to the territory of Ukraine from Russia through the uncontrolled border area,” Mr. Poroshenko said at the beginning of an emergency meeting of the Ukrainian Nation Security and Defense Council in Kiev. Mercenaries, along with regular servicemen, were trying to overrun positions held by the Ukrainian military, he said, according to a statement on his official website. http://www.google.com/gwt/x?u=http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/world/europe/ukraine-conflict.html&ei=LJ3_U4zFNe21sAfz4IGoCw&wsc=yh |
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There are no official reports of a Russian invasion of Ukraine. If and when that happens, there is absolutely no reason to post speculation and unsubstantiated reports.
Medclinician is a shill, an agitator, and a genuine kook. He never posts any legitimate links to articles he posts. Most of this crap he simply pulls out of his butt. And why is any Russian-Ukrainian news being posted here? What has it to do with this site? There are plenty of news and political debate sites available where folks can post non-disease related information. |
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Med,that picture looks like many that I have been shown and at the same time being taught how to take these columns out without getting shot down.Johnray1
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http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/9raw-russia-invades-ukraine/xx1zej8
9RAW: Russia invades Ukraine
August 29, 2014: Ukraine has confirmed Russian soldiers
have crossed their borders and begun fighting alongside rebels in the
country's east, as unverified video emerges allegedly showing Russian
tanks in the Ukrainian city of Novoazovsk. Medclinician |
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The reporting of the invasion of the Ukraine despite a great deal of false informatiion and denial continues. Russian troops continue to fight along side rebel forces and weapons and even tanks flood into the country. We in the U.S. and the world wait for an announcement of some type of military intervention to stop Russia as she begins efforts to regain the countries lost in Eastern Europe one by one. This is only the beginning. This is simply too big to cover up and as the Ebola Pandemic which may soon be coming, the realities of an impotent foreign policy by the U.S. in the face of a Russia grown bold in the face of an inept and failing foreign policy, could lead to more escalation as ISIS rises and we may face genuine attacks on the U.S. by terrorists. What is, is. If NATO do not rally and implement some type of definitive action to stop Russia, we may lose our status as the #1 power in the world. Medclinician |
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The people who invaded the Ukraine first was the USA and its western allies. They over threw a democratically elected Ukrainian government and installed a neo nazis (literally) puppet government. I say Neo Nazi party, its no $hit! look it up... The USA funded these types of radical groups and stage managed the whole thing. Its not even hidden from view... The USA also put a missile shield in Poland which directly contravenes a NATO cold war agreement and is a huge *****u to Russia. This among many moves demonstrates to me that the USA is the aggressor in this situation. dont get me wrong Russia ain't a clean player in this, they have their fingers in a lot of pies. But i feel the USA is intent on pushing us into conflict and possibly WW3. We need to wake up and stop believing what we read in mainstream media. The USA is obviously pushing for a fight. I don't think anyone here wants WW3... Lets spread the word peoples |
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I agree with you cobber, when you look at a map you can see NATO/US military bases are surrounding Russia, China, Iran. NATO-troops are on the Russian borders, Russian troops are not knocking on the US border.
War has been privetized, NATO is fighting for banks and oil-companies. On the other hand Putin has a 4 or 5% ownership of Gazprom. The basic idea that a war could solve anything is crazy. The US/NATO invasions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia have brought the people there disaster, but western oil companies gas contracts. Ukraine is buying western weapons and paying for that with the only main source of income they have, the gas pipelines that transport Russian gas to western Europe. A few years back you had the "Occupy-movement" protesting against the 1% claiming they owned 80% of the world. A small elite, owners of Shell, Exxon, Gazprom, is fighting to get even more rich and powerful. It reminds me of the family-problems a grandsons of queen Victoria had a hundred years ago that started World War 1. We should be better informed now !
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@Dutch Josh: you seem to have a particular dislike of the United States, as evidenced by your repeated criticisms of the U.S. I shouldn't be surprised, as the Dutch (much like the French), are eat up with the "passivity" bug.
The Germans should have rolled through the Netherlands during WWII and oppressed the Dutch, much as they did the Jews. Perhaps then, you people would have a sense of the need to be more involved in protecting your own country from aggressor nations who would surely roll right over the Netherlands. You should be thankful for NATO and your countries' membership in NATO. People such as yourself feel entitled to criticize the US whenever you can, but when the Russian bear comes calling, you will be screaming for NATO help. |
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And #2 may as well be #32 and probebly would soon after. |
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Your comments are duly noted but I have to disagree with certain aspects. I've been reading everyone's posts on here since spring '06. Med has posted many pertinent articles with links from mainstream sources. Your personal opinion of him is of course your business and I have no argument with that but I think he has been as valuable an asset here as anyone else. We all have differing styles and personalities. Personally, though I tend to agree that this site is not a War Forum, it is and always has been open to a portion of Any-subject. World war related events certainly fits in there in my opinion. And finely, Russia is in the process of invading Ukraine and by proxy has had an ongoing invasion. That is my take and I didn't come to that conclusion by reading anything he posted. You are entitled to your own opinions of which I respect and do not harshly disagree with in this case but likewise I also enjoy reading many of his. |
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War talk is reasonable on this site. Same goes with economic talk. The reason is health and wealth are inextricably linked.
The Spanish flu was significantly assisted by WWI PS: i don't think anyone here is fooled into thinking Russia is some savior. The issue is the USA is being a bully and will cause unnecessary conflict. Back a dangerous dog into a corner. Not smart
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@inthesticks, when you start talking about World War 2 it would be a good thing to look at http://www.answers.com/Q/Who_financed_Hitler's_war_machine_before_the_start_of_the_war.
I think criticism might make someone stronger, learning from mistakes is good. Big companies seem to be running (and ruining) the planet. If you want to see that as being against the U.S. that is your choice. In history war and healthissues most times mix. Pandemics spread with war. There is no point in discussing the risk for pandemics if you do not discuss the background. In my opinion healthcare and education should be priority number 1 when mankind wants to make it in the future. Any major war is a threat to us all.
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/3756929737001/russian-president-putin-warns-us-and-its-allies/#sp=show-clips
Russia is in the process of invading Ukraine. Medclinician |
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html
Kiev, Ukraine (CNN) -- A top Ukrainian army officer said a "full-scale invasion" of his country was under way Thursday, as a U.S. official said up to 1,000 Russian troops had crossed Ukraine's southern border to fight alongside pro-Russian rebels. U.S. officials said Russian troops were directly involved in the latest fighting, despite Moscow's denials.
Russian Combat Forces Inside the Territory of Ukraine
Rebels backed by Russian tanks and armored personnel carriers fought Ukrainian forces on two fronts Thursday: southeast of rebel-held Donetsk, and along the nation's southern coast in the town of Novoazovsk, about 12 miles (20 kilometers) from the Russian border, said Mykhailo Lysenko, the deputy commander of the Ukrainian Donbas battalion. "This is a full-scale invasion," Lysenko said, referring to the fighting in the south. ntelligence now indicates that up to 1,000 Russian troops have moved into southern Ukraine with heavy weapons and are fighting there, a U.S. official told CNN on Thursday. NATO provided what it said is evidence: satellite images showing Russian troops engaged in military operations inside Ukraine. "The images, captured in late August, depict Russian self-propelled artillery units moving in a convoy through the Ukrainian countryside and then preparing for action by establishing firing positions in the area of Krasnodon, Ukraine," NATO said in a news release. Commercial satellite imagery shows the same, according to a British security source with detailed knowledge of UK intelligence estimates. One image that British intelligence has analyzed, dated Tuesday, shows 15 heavy trucks, at least seven armored vehicles and at least nine artillery positions. Russia's military actions in eastern Ukraine "must cease immediately," British Prime Minister David Cameron said Thursday. "I'm extremely concerned by mounting evidence that Russian troops have made large-scale incursions into South Eastern Ukraine, completely disregarding the sovereignty of a neighbor," Cameron said. "The international community has already warned Russia that such provocative actions would be completely unacceptable and illegal." Medclinician |
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Obama is weak so Putin will take advantage. What do we all expect? Putin will invade just like Hitler and he will continue just like Hitler and who is going to stop him in this liberal world? NO ONE!
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/02/ukraine-russian-forces_n_5750582.html
KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — Russian military forces have been spotted in both major rebel-held cities in eastern Ukraine, an official said Tuesday, prompting Ukraine to declare it now has to fight the Russian army, not just the separatists.
The statement on the Russians by Col. Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for Ukraine's National Security Council, came after the country's defense minister said Ukraine's armed forces are expanding their strategy from just fighting separatists to facing the Russian army in a war that could cost "tens of thousands" of lives.
Lysenko told reporters Russian troops had been seen in the cities of Donetsk and Luhansk, as well as other locations throughout the east. The claim could not be confirmed independently. Lysenko also said 15 servicemen had been killed over the previous day.
In Moscow, a Kremlin aide sharply criticized EU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso for breaching confidentiality when he quoted Russian President Vladimir Putin as saying that Moscow could take over Kiev in two weeks if it wished.
Yuri Ushakov, the Russian leader's foreign policy adviser, told reporters that Putin's statement was "taken out of context and carried a completely different meaning."
Ushakov lashed out at Barroso, saying it was a breach of diplomatic practices and "unworthy of a serious politician" to speak publicly about a private conversation.
Putin's comment reportedly came in response to Barroso pointing out Ukrainian and Western claims that Russia had sharply escalated the conflict in eastern Ukraine by sending regular army units into Ukraine. NATO has estimated that at least 1,000 Russian soldiers have entered Ukraine, helping turn the tide in the last week in favor of the pro-Russian insurgents. NATO also says 20,000 Russian soldiers have been positioned along the Ukraine-Russian border. Medcliniciancomment: The invasion continues |
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29042561
Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko says he has agreed with Russian President Vladimir Putin by phone on a "permanent ceasefire" with rebels. "Their conversation resulted in agreement on a permanent ceasefire in the Donbass region [the regions of Donetsk and Luhansk]," his office said. "They reached a mutual understanding on steps leading to peace." |
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Let's hope they do.
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Med those pics you posted kinda remind me of Colon Powell showing all those pics at the UN while the US was yelling "weapons of mass destruction" I don't trust anything coming from any government anymore been lied to so many damn times I literally can't keep count War Party Working Overtime On Labor Day Weekend: More Hoaxes, Hype, and Hysteria |
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Gen. McInerney: “We Helped Build ISIS” http://www.prisonplanet.com/gen-mcinerney-we-helped-build-isis.html |
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Russia is holding on to the city it has seized. The only strategy here is establish the invasion and reinforce the troops.
The next step is the invasion of more Baltic countries based on the lack of real response to this. Medclinician |
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The Insidious Power of Propaganda http://www.unz.com/article/the-insidious-power-of-propaganda/ "It has only been in the last few days that an exceptional article in Foreign Affairs, by the exceptional scholar of geopolitics, John Mearsheimer, is beginning to register. Mearsheimer lays most of the responsibility for the Ukraine crisis where it belongs: Washington and its European allies. “U.S. and European leaders blundered in attempting to turn Ukraine into a Western stronghold on Russia’s border. Now that the consequences have been laid bare, it would be an even greater mistake to continue this misbegotten policy." "The story of the downed plane with 298 dead people is no longer news, and the investigation as to who shot it down? Don’t hold your breath. Last week Dutch viewers of a TV news program were informed about something that had been doing the rounds on internet samizdat: the countries participating in the MH17 investigation have signed a nondisclosure agreement. Any of the participants (which include Kiev) has the right to veto publication of the results without explanation. The truth about the cause of the horrifying fate of the 298 appears to have been already settled by propaganda. That means that although there has been no shred of evidence that the official story of the ‘rebels’ shooting down the plane with Russian involvement, it remains a justification for sanctions against Russia." |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theworldpost/
It's not over. Did you really think Russia would stop? Another Russian Convoy Enters Ukraine Amid Renewed FightingLUHANSK, Ukraine (AP) — A convoy of more than 200 white trucks crossed the Russian border to deliver humanitarian aid to a battered Ukrainian city on Saturday, a move made without Kiev's consent yet met with silence by Ukraine's top leaders. "Early in the morning, we entered Ukraine to bring aid to Luhansk," said Yury Stepanov, a Russian who was overseeing the convoy. "We came in around 215 vehicles," he added, as workers unloaded boxes into a local warehouse. The much-needed aid arrived as fighting flared again between pro-Russian rebels and government forces, further imperiling an already fragile cease-fire in the region. On Saturday, Ukraine's military operation in the east said it had repelled a rebel attack on the government-held airport of Donetsk, which came under artillery fire from rebel positions late on Friday. Ukrainian authorities also admitted for the first time since the cease-fire started last week that they have inflicted casualties on the rebel side. Continuous rocket fire could be heard overnight in Donetsk. A statement on the city council website said that shells hit residential buildings near the airport, although no casualties were reported. A column of three Grad rocket launchers — all its rockets still in place — was seen moving freely through the rebel-held city on Saturday morning. In the other regional capital of Luhansk, one of the worst-hit cities where tens of thousands have been without water, electricity, or phone connections for weeks, the streets were calm as Russian drivers unloaded aid packages into local warehouses. Stepanov said the goods consisted mainly of foodstuffs — rice, sugar, and canned fish and beef — but also included medicine, technical equipment and clothes. The deliveries were in closed boxes, small enough to be easily carried by one person, but rice was seen spilling from a broken bag. Inside the warehouse, an Associated Press journalist saw water bottles carrying the logo of Russia's LDPR party, led by virulent nationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky. While dozens of local workers unloaded boxes, several carloads of armed militiamen in camouflage arrived to inspect the scene. Stepanov said his team was responsible only for delivery, and distribution will be handled by local authorities — which for now means the separatist leaders of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic. Gennady Tsepkalo, a senior separatist official, said retirees, hospital patients and schoolchildren would be priorities for aid. He said the food would not be used to feed rebel fighters.comment: The Ukraine has been invaded and it is unlikely Russia will stop. The question is - how does America deal with ISIS and the Ukraine at the same time? Medclinician |
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